NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

dragonspawn · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:40 am

In post 498, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Anna was fairly obviously town; Kling was the vig shot if there is a vig.

Mykonian was 100% the scum kill. Could be multi-ball with scum also looking for other scum and killing Anna, that should be considered.

Also why would scum kill an obvious townie if they are looking for other scum?

Keyser Söze · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 am

In post 497, dragonspawn wrote:Also is it possible we have a mass murderer? If we did and Anna investigated one of the other two it might explain something. But I'm not sure it does.

And are we sure we only have one scum group?

Multiple NK's hints to the following:

- possible multiple scum factions
- possible night vig
- possible serial killer

We were only told they were "killed" - not stabbed/mauled/shot.

All

theory

right now.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 am

OK, well, I did.

Like I said, I could see scum shooting Anna looking for the other scum team thinking she was scum. IMO, she was fairly obviously town though.

PEdit - Because sometimes teams don't know if it's multi-ball or not. The 'traditional' Mafia faction may not consider another scum team but the 'werewolf' faction would know it was multi-ball the second they got their role PM.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:42 am

That's a nice summary of everything myself and Dragon have been speaking about Keyser.

Well done.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:48 am

In post 494, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 488, Keyser Söze wrote:
You have been very jumpy so far. I have full conviction in my reads, posts and votes so far.

What is the point of the first comment? Do you think it's alignment indicative? If so, how?

I disagree with your second sentence.

You have so far made three votes - do you believe in any of them? Nervous/jumpy voting - yes, I see this as alignment-indicative.

Bulbazoor also demonstrated this jumpy/weak voting behaviour. I'm sticking with my vote on him.

dragonspawn · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:48 am

Were you scum reading klingon bbt?

Garmr · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:49 am

Could be a multiscum game with that many deaths as well.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:50 am

I didn't have a read on Kling, tbh I wasn't really paying any attention to him. There were too many people lurking to keep up with.

@Keyser - If you think it's alignment indicative, you should probably do something about that. I believe you're scum, yes.

Garmr · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:52 am

VOTE: BBT

I think it's alignment indicative.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:54 am

Just to clarify; your biggest scum read and reasoning to date is somebody shifting votes. Correct?

davesaz · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:13 am

In post 376, davesaz wrote:
In post 368, Garmr wrote:I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.

My turn to ask... my earlier impression of your play was to pick something and tunnel it. Did I misremember or something?

@Garmr, don't think I got an answer on this.

Anyone know Garmr well enough to comment on meta?

Keyser Söze · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:14 am

Here are the votes on Prolapsed Brain's wagon:

In post 173, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 87, Prolapsed Brain wrote:
Nope.

Cool.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

In post 249, duppin wrote:
I noticed PB did post after he got called out, but didn't respond to it.
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

In post 254, davesaz wrote:VOTE: Prolapsed BrainGiving in to pressure seems rather scummy.

In post 307, Bellaphant wrote:PB's iso is not giving me any positive feelings, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 posts I feel I should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.

VOTE: PB

In post 320, TheCow wrote:VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Sure, I could get behind this.

In post 385, Keyser Söze wrote:That question makes me re-think my stance:

Pressure would
force
him to play to his win-con* and try to survive.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

In post 391, dragonspawn wrote:I'm thinking pb needs some more pressure.

VOTE: pb

We need to get him talking and interacting.

In post 393, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 385, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 384, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Keyser, do you think it would look scummy for PB to suddenly start doing ~things~ once people started to vote him?

That question makes me re-think my stance:

Pressure would
force
him to play to his win-con* and try to survive.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

*as both town or scum.

This is true.

Lets see where this goes: VOTE: PB

In post 407, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: PB
Also iffy. He needs to get to l y n c h minus one.

In post 421, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 420, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That is more than 'pretty weak reasoning'.

Having said that; maybe if you join the PB wagon and we push him you will be able to develop a read?

Perhaps...

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

I believe this puts him at L-2.

In post 428, Klingoncelt wrote:No, wait, I can go for Mykonin later.

Back to

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:21 am

FA wouldn't be a bad shout either actually.

Another one who got through D1 doing nothing.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:21 am

Is there a reason you quoted people's votes btw?

dragonspawn · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:33 am

Seems obvious why to me. Why wouldn't he?

Garmr · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:35 am

In post 510, davesaz wrote:
In post 376, davesaz wrote:
In post 368, Garmr wrote:I feel quite comfortable now just sitting here thinking and taking note of reads to myself. large games are like that through I can always sit back and analysis things at my own pace.

My turn to ask... my earlier impression of your play was to pick something and tunnel it. Did I misremember or something?

@Garmr, don't think I got an answer on this.

Anyone know Garmr well enough to comment on meta?

Tbh I find that staying back and keeping things to myself lets me apply more pressure but at times I can't resist to lay it down I tend to to say one thing and do another. Like after day 1 I was going to vote aero at the start of the day but changed my mind after anaylising the night actions..

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:36 am

Because on the surface it looks pro-town (he has a lot of posts like this) but in reality it does nothing as anyone with a pair of eyes can go and look at the votes on the PB wagon and how they got there.

Keyser is trying hard to play the role of 'Helpful Townie' and I'm not buying it.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:52 am

I'll give my full thoughts on the PB wagon later (as promised earlier: post 490).

Keyser Söze · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:59 am

In post 440, Garmr wrote:VOTE: Vote clingy

Because I want to she feels very weird this game
her hands feel like murderer
.

Could you explain that read please - I meant to ask it D1, but pisskop closed the thread.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:20 am

In post 410, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 407, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: PB
Also iffy. He needs to get to l y n c h minus one.

Why?

Seriously if we are pressuring him to get activity why do we have to push him to L1 if he reacts before?

dragonspawn picked up on this quick - why was there an urgency to put Prolapsed Brain to L-1, it was a

lurker-wagon to encourage pressure

. How many actually scum-read Prolapsed Brain who was on the wagon?

FA_Q2 · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:34 am

In post 487, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 400, pisskop wrote:
Votecount 1.09

Prolapsed Brain
- (8) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, FA_Q2

In post 466, pisskop wrote:
Votecount 1.LYNCH

Prolapsed Brain
- (11) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow, Keyser Söze, Dragonspawn, <Vote>, FA_Q2, Bulbazoor, Klingoncelt -
!!LYNCH!!

You see? In 400 the vote should have been shown before FA, but it wasn't.

I think it's very likely this is a scum PR and is a hidden second vote.

That is a possibility but if that is true then that is one very powerful role. A scum with an extra vote is extremely powerful. The extra kill only intensifies this.

L-2 is NOW L-1 so lets not make the same mistake as we did with pb.

Pushing so hard for PB to L-1 looks VERY suspicious now that there is a hidden vote in play. Not thinking for yourself and sheeping a dead players votes looks scummy as well. Then pushing key because he is posting relevant information (while ignoring the analysis he has been posting thus far) is also scummy as hell.

You are scum bbt.

VOTE: bbt

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:47 am

Oh my.

People don't like me attacking Keyser huh? That's interesting.

Did Mykonian provide my reasoning for voting Keyser or did I do it? Because if I did, your reason for voting me is no longer valid.

I'm beginning to see why I was left alive though. This is good stuff, let's get it on.

Shazam · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:22 am

Guys, if you think this extra vote is a scum PR, then surely you think it's too powerful to be unlimited uses. And if it has limited uses, why would they use it D1? The only good answer I can think of is that they wanted to make sure that one of their own did not get lynched.
VOTE: dragonspawn
This makes sense anyway. Given the pushing of the counterwagon to dragon's by so many people, it's likely scum joined in on that. BBT would be a strong possibility for a dragon partner, but I'm more confident in dragon being scum.

Shazam · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:23 am

Of course the alternative is a botched use of a town double-vote ability, which I think should have been confessed by now.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:27 am

VOTE: Dragonspawn

I like this.