Mini 1706 - Pula Mafia (over)

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: elusive

Scorp, who is your avvi? I can't place it.

[Bellaphant]

Elu has posted and hasn't asked rqs. Scum?

[Bellaphant]

@Elu, thanks!!

1. Salty. I love salt.
2. Ace, apparently. I aggressively use British slang on here to freak youse out.
3. Mala - kitties
- Elu - scary in a good way
- radja - improving?
- grib - competent


Scum game, finished today: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=62698

@radja, am I town in general (i.e. nice and honest and not murdery) or this game?

[Bellaphant]

For now, I'm going to treat the Miller claim the same way I would a Bulletproof claim: wait and see

who pushes them for weak reasons because their role (BP/Miller) is naturally scummy to claim

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in other words, elusive.
who you already thought was off beforehand.
yet you're not pushing him for some reason, you were downplaying the suspicion in #86.

thanks for the link though, even if i didn't find much useful

~

for the record: elsuive, radja & catboi are my current townreads.

@Maxous, I'm confused about your thoughts here: you seem to be saying that you think elu is both town and scum - or are you criticising Grib's response? I can't parse it.

Wait.

VOTE: elusive

Voting a claimed miller.

@ Gray, is this the only reason? Seems like not much is pinging for you. I don't like the vote, per se - @elu, why are you voting the claimed miller? - but this vibes really off.

@Lalendra,and Gray.

Do you support the lynch on Grib? Why or why not?

@Scorp, why these two?

UNVOTE:

Early town-read on Radja.

[Bellaphant]

@Maxous, that's the correct answer, thanks

VOTE: Scorp

[Bellaphant]

@Super,

Scorp's content has been a) lacking b) appease-y and c) nothing like his first game (ongoing, but I occasionally stalk the newbie q). They've only just started asking interesting questions - not committed to sorting the game.

In terms of Radja, it's the opposite: I like their questions, they seem to be reading similarly to me, it's mainly recognition of a thought process.

that's a lot of nulls, though. Why post a reads list that is that empty?

[Bellaphant]

elu, why?

[Bellaphant]

@scorp, I had a question for you which you didn't answer.

[Bellaphant]

Why hasn't ^ been lynched yet?

[Bellaphant]

@Scorp, there are 11 people with similar post counts to mine (5+- either way), but cool, I want you lynched so attack my content.

I mentioned 'appeasey-ness': 27 45 77 look like newb!scum trying to fit in and end up being a bit LAMIST.


Your voting/unvoting of catboi looks awkward. You aren't engaging a lot of the playerlist, hence me asking about 'why those two' earlier. Telling me it was for 'no reason' was bizarre.


What is this 'lots of nulls' come from? 144 is the only place it's in my iso, and I was querying someone else's readslist. So now you aren't reading my implied lacking contributions.

p-edit, oh look, engaging the playerlist. Spontaneously.

[Bellaphant]

@Elu, Gray's iso is gross, yeah, but it strikes me as less awkward.

Talking of awkward - could we avoid 'spaz'? Ta.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh. I kinda want Lal or Gray as compromise lynches...elu, tell me why the two claims counter each other (not sarcasm, I hate figuring out things like this :S)

UNVOTE: for now

[Bellaphant]

<3 to grib and mala.

@Elu, that makes more sense, I think I'd misunderstood somewhere.

@Gray, I should've asked mala, as they were the one suggesting they CC'd. I'm not sure what else I was meant to get from your response.

[Bellaphant]

I'm feeling really mixed on catboi: on the one hand, I understand some of his reads, but he is scum-reading most of the game. I'm also wondering about the busy work of finding the games - it'd be a reasonable scum!tell for me, but I might have to do a bit of a meta read :S

p-edit, elu, not all of his reads are bad, and you've been a bit harsh about the super one, but you have some fair comments. Some of your comments can also be fair without meaning he is scum Mainly, though, I agree with the amount of FOS without a vote.

pp-edit, need to look at deadline/vc. Don't think I'm getting what I want today.

[Bellaphant]

So, my early town read, radja, hasn't moved his vote since page 4

I hate day 1. Max, super and elu are town.

@elu, you are voting, but how confident are you that you can achieve a lynch on that slot in 24 hours?

[Bellaphant]

Mala, why?

[Bellaphant]

Right, so, Scorpy's interactions are under the cut. What's interesting is the lack of flexibility in his reads, and the people he's not really interacting with.

Spoiler:

All credit to Plot, who's number system I've stolen (and abused)

Bella: + 9 -184

Catboi: v 6, -42 -58 -139 uv 175 v- 182 =189 -195 -330 v-371

Grib: +20 +110 -139 =-203 -272 v-302 -315

Lel: -20 =110 -141 -186 -239 -372

Bank: + 27 +58 =261

Elu: + 37 -139 +154 =-193 =313 =315 +330

Max: = 42 -166 -205

Grey: = 110 =+187 =-195

mala: = 187 -368

Atum: =+187 -188 -330 -377 This 377 is weird, I don't understand the apology

Super: = 189

Radja: = 203

[Bellaphant]

@Lel, sorry, I thought I'd posted a follow-up post to my numbers, but nope.


If we look at Scorpy's interactions with those who flipped town, especially the grib slot, they turn into a stream of negative interactions from Scorpy (+ is a positive interaction, - is a negative one, = is null and v/uv are un/voting). I don't think Scorpy would've pushed any of his buddies that hard: so we look at who else he's got a stream of negative interactions with: you, catboi, atum. Catboi has claimed town, so that makes me think that maybe you and Atum are also town - which is interesting, because like mala I was concerned about you.

What is also interesting is the people Scorp basically ignores: super and radja are only mentioned in passing once. I dunno if this was distancing.

However, catboi said scorp ignored elu: this is incorrect, as she was the third most interacted slot from scorp. There were also hardly any negative interactions. Scorp did buddy a bit, but that seems really off to me. I also didn't like that she threw out grey as being as low in content as Scorp when that wagon was building

Enough that elu should prolly be back at l-1.

VOTE: elu

@radja, could really do with some content from you. Why are you asking about mala?

[Bellaphant]

Guys, elu has got to l-1 once now and no-ones really reacting to it. This is concerning to me.

[Bellaphant]

@Superbowl, I don't like it because no one is yelling about why we shouldn't hammer her, suggesting they town-read her, but no one is committed to her lynch. If people who are voting her think elu is scum, they should be pushing it, not just...sitting there. Also, being at l-1 twice without intent to hammer/claim is strange. Only mala's really explained why she's not happy with the wagon, but hasn't pursued her scum reads. Like someone said, the day phase has kinda stalled, and I don't like it. People are talking about mala (which is a kinda meh case) but also not voting her.

@mala, talk to me about max? I had similar thoughts day 1, but interactions have made me wonder.

also, @mod, elu needs a prod.

[Bellaphant]

@mala, you aren't voting and I'm finding it hard to get a full read on you. Any comments/questions my way?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I need a little time to warm up to FB. I have no feelings about ST. C's predecessor, but their play this day phase has not given my town-feels

VOTE: StCtH

@fire, who's scum?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

I need a little time to warm up to FB. I have no feelings about ST. C's predecessor, but their play this day phase has not given my town-feels

VOTE: StCtH

@fire, who's scum?

What haven't you liked about Constantine's play? How do you feel about firebringer now?

He comes in with a joke about being scum, then says he has to scum-hunt, and doesn't. The hammer dicking about was just...strange, and then his ready agreement to fire's assessment of his meta is poor. I'm voting him because I didn't have a town-read on his predecessor (who I've only seen in town games) and he hasn't made any effort to process or progress the game.

In terms of fire, I need a while to get a decent read, and to undo the damage on his slot done before. I'm leaving that open

Still don't really understand this at all. You want to lynch him for not voting you?

As I understand it firebringer has played with constnatine before and is using meta to make a read that as town, Constantine usually does the most anti-town thing, which in that situation would have been to hammer elusive. Since he didn't hammer elusive, bringer therefore concludes that constantine must be scum (I don't agree with this logic, but I think he's scum in the end so I guess we agree).

Yeah, or he didn't wanna hammer his scum buddy (associatives before flips are bad, we know, but even so , Const's flip will also help me read fire.)

Radja's prob scum btw(gut)

@mala, you've done this a few times now - thrown out reads without any evidence/thought process being extroverted. It's starting to really worry me.

I'm also FOS-ing Lel for their constantly shifting apparent scum-reads with little follow up.

[Bellaphant]

? Bankai's slot is hermit? I'm a tad confused here.

@catboi, please explain that mala town-read, bc here's a stance for you: I disagree

[Bellaphant]

Hey, I never got a day start pm and last thing I got from n suggested the game had a day or two to get sorted! I'll post properly after work but my main defence is gonna be the push on scorp day one. More later!

[Bellaphant]

Hi,

There's no real defense for my play this game - it's been shitty, and my reads are hella weak rn. However, I've not done anything scummy, and there isn't really a case to defend against - I feel like i'm a compromise lynch and maybe town will get enough information from it to nail the last scum. I would ask, tho, if anyone had any questions etc to direct them at me, bc 1-2-1 interaction generally works best for me.

[Bellaphant]

I would like to see it, if that' ok?

I was telling the truth about not getting any pms for day-start, and my motivation plummeted after that. Had I know one mislynch would lose this for us....Sorry!