I get what could happen with any lynch. But mine specifically, which players would be cleared, and which would be scum? I don't think there would be an obv answer (maybe, TSO as scum and Wake as town, I strongly doubt TSO will get lynched soon). Is it really worth it just for that? If the town has a different perspective, let me know.
Even if you end up as a town, you claimed vannila town so it's better to mislynch a VT then to mislynch a town power role.
In post 1345, Shinobi wrote:Kop and Quaroth are both mega-lurkers.
Those wagons could be fun.
I remember asking Kop a question about why he wanted to lynch Ozgin and he wanted to kill Oz regardless of his alignment. He wasn't really straightforward about it either - he said Oz was either bad town or scum and left it at that.
I can't remember a single thing Q has done this game at all.
You asked the question to rephrase and elaborate, I rephrased as I felt that you didn't get my point.
But I don't think I actually stated that I wanted to kill Oz regardless of his alignment, so I'm not sure where you got that fact from, I actually would like to see where you would or how you got that assumption, that I wanted to kill Oz.
Skybird wrote:
But why wait until night to put your thoughts on who's scum in here?
So you don't bring it back to the main thread right away. Since this neighborhood has a habit of doing that.
Habit? I'm scum reading you dearie. If talking about the stuff in the hood helps get you lynched then yeah, I'm going to let people know. If you had ever stated something like please keep this in the hood I would have respected your wishes. You never did anything like that.
OK, Anna and I have come to more of an understanding in the neighborhood. I don't think she is a good lynch candidate for today. What she told me did explain why she was acting the way she was.
I've accepted that I'm a terribad townie on day 1. I haven't accepted that GrayFoxxxx is town, but dammit all if Anna not wanting her posts to be leaked to the main thread isn't actually kind of scummy. I mean,
@Anna
, what were you thinking in you 1356 (well, in your hood in the thing you quoted in your 1356)? What made you think, "I don't wanna let everyone know my thoughts, just a select few and only at night so if I do something stupid and get scumread for it, I can have time to talk it out/do something about the people scumreading me!"? I don't fully grasp the utility of a neighborhood, but I don't see town motivation in keeping secrets at all, especially when you're trying to alienate information away from the masses and give it solely to a select few, as if you're trying to divide the town. What's the deal?
I guess I was wrong on my initial read because just reading peoples' ISOs in alphabetical order kinda takes some posts out of context, because every time I've tried to go back to some players like red or Anna, I've been getting different impressions based on either my mood, time of day, etc. I'm probably just an idiot, and it's my fault for getting run up to a claim. I can't really blame anyone but myself for bad play, and I gotta try to stop being stupid. :/
If I'm modding your game, I'm sorry in advance. <3
OK, so I went looking for the reasons that the Red wagon dissolved the first time. I went through the pages where the wagon started, built up, and stopped when the wagon was down to 3 votes and no mention of Red happened on the next few pages. So I started on page 3 and went through page 21 compiling info. I'm going to spoil that info and just talk about what I see.
Spoiler: RedFF's First Wagon
RedFF’s 1st wagon
NEED 11 VOTES DAY 1 FOR A LYNCH
Red replaces in on page 3. On page 4 he quotes Lapsa’s post and says it feels forced and votes him. The link to where he adapted it from is on page 2 and other people had already discussed this post. Once it is pointed out, he unvotes (all on page 4).
First serious vote on Red comes from Shinobi in post 83. (Explained in post 89 as trying to look like he was doing something without actually doing anything.) Wolfie votes him in 86 for his post where he unvotes Lapsa and explains Red let go of his scum read too quickly. Quar votes Red in post 93, agrees that Red looks like he is trying to do something without doing it and agrees with Wolfie’s reason. Sal comes in and votes Red in post 98 and states speedlynching is effective and optimal in a Large Normal. Nos agrees it seems legit.
VC on Red for page 4
RedFF (4) – Shinobi, Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence
PAGE 5
Creede73 votes RedFF in post 101. This is a naked vote. Creede’s vote on Red is the only one on page 5.
VC on Red at end of page 5
RedFF (5) – Shinobi, Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence, Creede73
PAGE 6
GrayFoxxx votes Red in post 136 and for a reason says “why not”. GrayFox’s vote for Red is the only one on page 6.
VC on Red at end of page 6
RedFF (6) – Shinobi, Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence, Creede73, GrayFoxxx
PAGE 7
No votes for Red on page 7.
PAGE 8
Salamence states in post 184 that we need 3 more Red votes before Ika or Boon hammers. So someone was keeping track of where we were and knew Red was not at L-1 at this time.
Red comments on his wagon on this page (post 186). Votes for Silverwolf.
No votes on Red on page 8.
PAGE 9
Creede unvotes Red in post 209 and states she doesn’t really suspect Red of anything. This is after Red and Salamence talk with her a little bit.
This is the only vote action on Red on page 9.
VC on Red at end of page 9
RedFF (5) – Shinobi, Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence, GrayFoxxx
PAGE 10
No vote action on Red. Still at 5 votes.
PAGE 11
Nosferatu votes for Red in post 254. His vote comes after discussion with Wolfie.
Mahonster votes for Red in post 255. No reason other than up for a red flip.
Shinobi questions the number of votes on Red in post 256. Evidently does a quick count because in post 257 stated nevermind Red was not lynched yet.
Salamence states in post 258 that Red is L-1 and wants Ika to do his thing. His post came approximately 2 minutes after post 257.
Shinobi unvotes in post 263. States he isn’t done with the day phase yet and wants to give Red a chance to claim.
Lapsa (who was never on the Red wagon) unvotes in the next post. This was a naked unvote and just felt weird like maybe he thought he was on the Red wagon.
VC on Red at end of page 11
RedFF (6) – Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence, GrayFoxxx, Nosferatu, Mahonster
PAGE 12
Wolfie points out in post 294 that Red’s wagon was never close to L-1.
No vote change on Red on this page.
PAGE 13
No vote change on Red.
PAGE 14
GrayFox unvotes Red and votes Texcat in 345
VC on Red at end of page 14
RedFF (5) – Silverwolf, Quaroath, Salamence, Nosferatu, Mahonster
PAGE 15
Quaroath votes Grayfoxx in post 364.
Nosferatu unvotes in post 365.
VC on Red at end of page 15
RedFF (3) – Silverwolf, Salamence, Mahonster
No activity on Red for the next few pages so page 15 is the end of analysis for the 1st Red wagon.
Red replaced in on page 3 and quickly voted Lapsa because the alligator post looked forced. After it was pointed out that Lapsa had basically quoted a Wake post from a different game, he unvoted. On page 4 Shinobi felt he was trying to look like he was doing something and voted Red. Wolfie voted Red for letting go of his scum read too quickly. Quaroath came in and agreed with Shinobi's and Wolfie's reasoning. Salamence votes Red and starts talking about speedlynching being efficient and optimal. That's 4 votes for Red at the end of page 1.
On page 5 Creede makes a naked vote for Red and on page 6 Grayfoxxx votes Red and states "why not". That brings Red up to 6 votes. (L-5)
Salamence mentions on page 8 that only 3 more votes are needed before Ika or Boon can hammer. (Which was wrong because it takes 11 to lynch.)
On page 9 Creede unvotes after being questioned a bit by Shinobi and Salamence. She states she didn't really suspect Red of anything. This looks suspicious as the pressure she was getting was minimal and why jump on a wagon if you don't suspect someone? Creede may be scum and needs to be looked at more. 5 votes on Red. (L-6)
Page 11 is where the voting/unvoting flurry happens. Page 10 had a discussion between Wolfie and Nosferatu about Red. Towards the top of page 11 Nos votes Red. Mahonster votes Red in the very next post with no good reason. (I don't remember anyone ever pushing him on this unless they did it after page 21.) Shinobi questioned the number of votes. Did a check and in the next post stated that Red was not lynched yet. Salamence immediately calls Red at L-1 and wants Ika to do his thing. Shinobi unvotes because he wasn't ready for day to end. Red is still at 6 votes at the end of page 11. Since Shinobi looked at the votes and vote count and knew that Red wasn't about to be lynched, why did he unvote really?
From there, the wagon slowly loses a few votes over the next 4 pages until by page 15 only three people are voting Red: Silverwolf, Salamence, and Mahonster. 2 of the people on the wagon (Grayfoxxx and Quaroath) voted for different people. Nosferatu unvoted on page 15.
In reading though it all again I don't see where anyone specifically was pushing against the Red wagon. The people I want to look at more are the ones that hopped on and off the wagon without saying why or did so with very little reasoning (Creede, Grayfoxxx and Nosferatu)
In post 1345, Shinobi wrote:Kop and Quaroth are both mega-lurkers.
Those wagons could be fun.
I remember asking Kop a question about why he wanted to lynch Ozgin and he wanted to kill Oz regardless of his alignment. He wasn't really straightforward about it either - he said Oz was either bad town or scum and left it at that.
I can't remember a single thing Q has done this game at all.
You asked the question to rephrase and elaborate, I rephrased as I felt that you didn't get my point.
But I don't think I actually stated that I wanted to kill Oz regardless of his alignment, so I'm not sure where you got that fact from, I actually would like to see where you would or how you got that assumption, that I wanted to kill Oz.
I didn't even vote for Ozgin.
I was going to elaborate on it and then I realized that I misread what you said. Just ignore what I said in the first place because it doesn't hold water.
Moving on.
Who's your top lynch target and why?
