OK, working from the assumption of Firebringer-scum and keeping in mind scum should have been using their daytalk Day One, remaining list of players (trying this new thing where I pretend like my reads aren't shit and proceed accordingly):
Elbirn: Will be
so
sad if he's scum, because he makes so much sense. I like people who make sense.
...fine, more detailed thoughts.
11, I like the casual nature of his interaction with Firebringer in playing back the joke about town leader-ness. He's trying to get something out of RVS (besides pressure) in the subsequent posts, and he's thinking on the spot about his reads, as per the progression in
43,
45, and
46.
In
71 and
88, he interacts with Firebringer in a very organic way, like he would knowing that Firebringer was a trolly player but hoping to get something useful out of him if he was coming at things from a town perspective. Then
180 sure as hell isn't a Firebringer-partner post.
Scum-Elbirn would mean town-Wisdom, and I don't see scum-Elbirn pushing Wisdom quite so much as he does in posts after that point. Reading back, I like
235 for wanting to talk to us about things that might give him a better read on us and clarify some hard-to-read players. Then
237 is pretty town, not helping Firebringer with his wagon on us.
I'm going to have a lot of trouble ever buying scum-Elbirn.
Vedith:
In post 74, Vedith wrote:Also, Firebringer seems to play like this a lot.
I wouldn't call it a troll play, it's more of an attempt on a consistent play overall, making him a hard target to read. His Mafia style gives it away too much though.
I'm...not sure a partner would commit to this statement here. The first part could be hedging, but he implies he can spot scum-Firebringer, which means he's forced to bus in the event of a heavy wagon, which could be problematic in a Micro, even with a presumed traitor advantage.
I'll be shorter here, as a lot of Vedith's ISO feels like it makes sense as scum-hunting in context, but I'm not finding so many pull-quotes. Some of his later stuff feels less strong, but I come away from reading his ISO with a townie feel. I could be persuaded otherwise, but it would take some work.
Grayfoxxxx: Fuck if I know.
...fiiiine.
OK, truth time, his reaction to Wisdom is pretty much how I vaguely remember feeling after watching Wisdom play scum in a game we had together and then pontificate endlessly in the next game we had together. Like, lynch this PITA who's playing just like his scum game.
On the other hand,
371 feels the need to express regret over being wrong on Axxle. Which...only a bit over half the game will be on any given wagon anyways? I'm not sure that merited an observation aside from trying to act like he's happy we lynched scum.
He barely mentions Firebringer at all, but he does pretty blindly sheep Firebringer's vote on us. Which...I'd expect scum with daytalk to spread their eggs out into multiple baskets more. And his relentless back-and-forth with Wisdom also seems like something a scum with daytalk would be warned away from?
Very weak town read; would like to see him do something today that is more content-generation as opposed to being picky at people.
shaddowez: My first scum read, and I'm not promising objectivity here. This:
In post 75, shaddowez wrote:I can't speak on Fire's play, since I haven't seen a game with him to know if he acts this way as scum or town.
is very non-committal. Others responded to the open question as well, but with actual answers, not just a disavowal of knowledge. Distancing?
Then three nothing-posts, followed by:
In post 85, shaddowez wrote:
It's not necessarily confidence per se, but it's how it's being portrayed. The way you're doing it here reminds me of two separate games I've had where people that acted similarly were scum. I'm not saying that's evidence of you being scum, but its definitely skewing my view that way.
Where there's not a commitment to a read, but setting up for a reason to scum-read Elbirn. Follows up with an explanation that doesn't feel like it's driving to a conclusion, then a prod-dodge. Defends scum-Firebringer in
312 to explain why one type of confidence is good and another is bad.
I also feel like there's this push to avoid calling Gray-Wisdom fighting town vs. town that sets oddly in that post. And heh,
314 almost feels like scum frustrated with a partner.
I'm also not sure I like shaddowez going back to the Gray well immediately upon two flips passing. I know there was time to think overnight, but it feels like nervous scum going for easy pickings to get back on track.
Probably plenty of confirmation-bias there, but I'm still feeling like shaddowez could very easily be scum.
Wisdom (our totes bestie!): So if our Vedith and Elbirn reads are right, Wisdom being town makes the lynch on Axxle an all-town wagon. It did happen quickly, which does mean scum might have missed out entirely (assuming no cross-knowledge of identities).
Having saved the
most tedious
best for last, here we go.
Going to avoid too many quotes here, but I do like the freeform feeling of Wisdom's suspicions on people in the wake of kyndy's wagon. He defends her, explaining why she's town, then gets tetchy over her interactions with scum reads in
70. He jumps around a lot, then hones in on Grayfoxxxx. His subsequent hop onto me is about par for the course, although given his fairly lousy track record of reading me, I'm not wild about it.
In post 184, Wisdom wrote:[Firebringer], axxle and shadoweh are my only solid townreads
everyone else is ugh
I'm fairly unimpressed that a supposed town-Wisdom manages to strong town-read minimum two of the three scum here. I mean, he can be all over the place, but that's pretty bad, even for him.
(OK, I lied, I'm going to pull quotes here. It's just easier)
In post 187, Wisdom wrote:among the ugh reads:
kyndy could be town because claim
gray could be town because i think he wouldnt push me like that as scum
vedith could maybe be town because of his moonlogic that i mostly associate with town
that leaves Elbirn and The Betting Pool
This on the other hand is more reason to think maybe town-Wisdom. It doesn't leave him many places to fall back to. If he's scum who knew they might be able to win on two mislynches, maybe that works. And heaven knows Wisdom doesn't generally feel compelled to stick to his reads for long.
You know what, I'm not sure if this. is opportunistic scum-Wisdom or PITA-jumpy town-Wisdom. I'm going to let the day play out a bit more and hopefully get some other people's opinions here on what he's done so far. Also might double-ISO him with Firebringer, see what shakes out.
And taking a look at Firebringer's ISO next to consider where his partner might be based on that. Might be later this weekend, as I should probably get some sleep.
--PA, who probably won't go get sleep
