NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

Boonskiies · Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:28 am

I like the fire wagon. Wifomy up the wazoo.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:28 am

Why haven't you joined it?

FA_Q2 · Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:15 am

Sorry I have not posted - internet was down and I could not get on.

Reading up now.

Firebringer · Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:31 am

Fire wagon is the best wagon to be on.
It has cookies.

Kitty Galore · Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:40 am

@Garmr

In post 575, Garmr wrote:VOTE: dragonspawn

ok rc

at the time it looked weird to just do what rc said.

In post 922, Garmr wrote:Sighs I just figured something out which I wish I saw earlier and I don't know what to do with out outing his powerole. Dragonspawn is 100% confirmed scum. You can mislynch me I flip town but Dragonspawn has been copped.

This whole thing? What? I was starting to wonder if I was wrong about dragon with the weird opening comment DS made.. posts like this were definitely and influence. I was right that dragon was town, so this really bothered me. (After the flip, but before our kerfluffle.)

In post 923, Garmr wrote:VOTE: Dragonspawn

still after him, but the only reason I felt was still because of his defensiveness, which I still don't think is alignment indicative, I didn't agree he was being defensive so I felt you were pushing hard... without good cause, to me, because I didn't agree. These are things that I leaned scum on you for.

In post 961, Garmr wrote:
In post 956, Bulbazoor wrote:VOTE: Garmr
Dragon is town.

Pretty obvious who dragons scum partners are

Just scum reading someone for voting you and disagreeing. I guess we have that in common.

In post 966, Garmr wrote:@bulb are your scum partners screaming at you in the daychat

Although, I must admit, I really liked this post, for the lulz...but... I was leaning town on Bulb cuz he seemed totally lost.

I don't have time to go back and read pages and pages... I went through your ISO and these were the things pinging me, and nothing really was pointing me the other way much.

Anyway, so that is an idea of why I have been leaning scum, differences of opinion when I know I am town, I see someone going after my town reads so strongly. I still think my suspicion of you for narratives is ok, but with the reaction from the other players, or lack of, makes me think that it was TvT. Especially since it seems so important to you that I town read you, knowing that basically nobody else cares what I think. Not wanting to let it go. Also now that we have had back and forth I am getting your "style" now. I am not going to get into another heated back and forth with you though, town probably tuned us out last time, and it is really bad for town IMO. I answered your question as to why I was scum reading you before today. I hope it helps.

Kitty Galore · Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:49 am

I really really like the Fire wagon, not sure where the VC is but Garmr mentioned hammer, so I am guessing I should let you know I am intending to vote there.

Firebringer · Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:25 am

So many people like my wagon it appears.
I don't feel like defending it either.

FA_Q2 · Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:45 am

....

This really does not make much sense. Where is the case on fire? What the hell are you posting, fire. No defense and not a damn whit of content? Can we get a VC please so we know where we are? This day seems very rushed to me and we cannot afford another town lynch.

Aeronaut · Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:49 am

Case on fire is on the last page?

The day has been going on fine, you just haven't really been a part of it.

Keyser Söze · Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:01 pm

In post 2103, Firebringer wrote:Fire wagon is the best wagon to be on.
It has cookies.

I have read Firebringer's ISO.

In summary: Firebringer self-knowingly plays the anti/bad-town act - what is his motivation?

It will draw attention to their slot, and encourage both policy lynch votes from town and opportunistic votes from scum.
It creates a 'too scummy to be scum' paradox, which is anti-town.
Makes me have neither a strong town, or strong scum read on their slot - thus, is it a meta-playstyle defence tactic?

Keyser Söze · Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:05 pm

Has anyone played with Firebringer before?

Kitty Galore · Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:22 pm

Key- Is it the most recent posts that you are referring to? What about the original BBT case, do you feel the same about that as far as his play style?

Ankamius · Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 2103, Firebringer wrote:Fire wagon is the best wagon to be on.
It has cookies.

sigh

VOTE: Firebringer

pisskop · Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:56 pm

pisskop · Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:03 pm

Votecount 4.04

Firebringer

- (4) Aeronaut,BlueBloodedToffee, garmr, Ankamius

Aeronaut

- (3) Titus, Firebringer, St Constantine the Hermit

Kitty Galore

- (1), Boonskies

Not Voting:

Kitty Galore, Keyser Söze, duppin, FA_Q2

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is 09SEP15, (expired on 2015-09-09 14:00:00)

Firebringer · Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:34 pm

In post 2105, Kitty Galore wrote:I really really like the Fire wagon, not sure where the VC is but Garmr mentioned hammer, so I am guessing I should let you know I am intending to vote there.

In post 2100, Boonskiies wrote:I like the fire wagon. Wifomy up the wazoo.

Because it is easy and simplistic? Right?

In post 2109, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2103, Firebringer wrote:Fire wagon is the best wagon to be on.
It has cookies.

I have read Firebringer's ISO.

In summary: Firebringer self-knowingly plays the anti/bad-town act - what is his motivation?

It will draw attention to their slot, and encourage both policy lynch votes from town and opportunistic votes from scum.
It creates a 'too scummy to be scum' paradox, which is anti-town.
Makes me have neither a strong town, or strong scum read on their slot - thus, is it a meta-playstyle defence tactic?

Its pretty much this
Its part Policy Lynch
Part opportunistic.

I am willing to help them along though:

LYNCH ME GUYS, YOU AINT GOT THE STOMACH FOR IT!!!!
Except the scum, you guys definitely have the stomach for it

Aeronaut · Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:42 pm

I feel like if you were town you'd be like giving reads, doing something constructive, anything pro-town etc. But all you're doing is posting about how good a lynch you are so I don't really know what else you expect us to do.

Firebringer · Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:45 pm

In post 2116, Aeronaut wrote:I feel like if you were town you'd be like giving reads, doing something constructive, anything pro-town etc. But all you're doing is posting about how good a lynch you are so I don't really know what else you expect us to do.

I feel like town isn't trying either. So why should I?
You can lynch me, but the arguments on me are pretty weak.

I am mostly just lazy town, theres too many people to ISO and I really just want to sheep the players who I think are town at this point.

My judgement on scum lately has been...unreliable.

Titus · Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:15 pm

I hate the company on my wagon but the lynch looks better by play.

Firebringer looks town by play (resigned to lynch BC he sucked) but his wagon is good but for Aero.

Mod: You have Kitty Galore not voting twice. Is that a mistake?

dah. a quickie vc

Ankamius · Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:26 pm

Titus are you ever going to show your work with your VCA?

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:28 pm

In post 2092, Firebringer wrote:
So yeah, pretty decent case on me.

In post 2115, Firebringer wrote:
Its part Policy Lynch
Part opportunistic.

In post 2117, Firebringer wrote:
You can lynch me, but the arguments on me are pretty weak.

Sorry, what?

So first it's a decent case - this causes you to go along the route of not responding because, well, it's a good case and you have nothing to say against it. You play the 'pro-town' role of 'Yeah, you should lynch me guys, that's a pretty good case.'

This then becomes a 'part policy, part opportunistic' lynch? How does that work?

And then the arguments on you are 'pretty weak'...but you

just

said it was a good case. So now you're playing the 'Well, town aren't doing shit so why should I? A bad case has been presented against me but I don't want to respond to it because town are so bad and apathetic and I'm lazy.'

Hell no.

I don't follow your thought process at all. It all feels contrived and what began as AtE has now become go down as quietly as possible so as not to draw attention to my buddies.

Once we lynch Fire, we should look at who joins the wagon from this point on. Fire is 100% the lynch for Today.

Firebringer · Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:16 pm

In post 2120, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 2092, Firebringer wrote:
So yeah, pretty decent case on me.

In post 2115, Firebringer wrote:
Its part Policy Lynch
Part opportunistic.

In post 2117, Firebringer wrote:
You can lynch me, but the arguments on me are pretty weak.

Sorry, what?

So first it's a decent case - this causes you to go along the route of not responding because, well, it's a good case and you have nothing to say against it. You play the 'pro-town' role of 'Yeah, you should lynch me guys, that's a pretty good case.'

This then becomes a 'part policy, part opportunistic' lynch? How does that work?

And then the arguments on you are 'pretty weak'...but you
just
said it was a good case. So now you're playing the 'Well, town aren't doing shit so why should I? A bad case has been presented against me but I don't want to respond to it because town are so bad and apathetic and I'm lazy.'

Hell no.

I don't follow your thought process at all. It all feels contrived and what began as AtE has now become go down as quietly as possible so as not to draw attention to my buddies.

Once we lynch Fire, we should look at who joins the wagon from this point on. Fire is 100% the lynch for Today.

I mean it seems like a good case if you look at it objectively.

It looks like a bad/weak case because I am actually a townie.

No one follows my thought process, I like it that way. I am keeping it that way, if I were easy to follow that would help scum look like town in my eyes, never let your enemy know what you are thinking.

You want to lynch me because I was indecisive with my votes on Dave/Gamr? Fine. [Fair Point]
Want to lynch me cause I wont give any comprehensive read list? Fine-[Policy Lynch]
Want to lynch me cause I wont scumhunt as much as you? Fine-[Opportunistic]

Lynch me and be done with it, but don't bother looking for my allies, even if I was scum I wouldn't hint at them with the way I have been playing. And since I am not scum, you are wasting this day, good job.

Kitty Galore · Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:45 am

In post 2105, Kitty Galore wrote:I really really like the Fire wagon, not sure where the VC is but Garmr mentioned hammer, so I am guessing I should let you know I am intending to vote there.

VOTE: firebringer

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:49 am

In post 2121, Firebringer wrote:
You want to lynch me because I was indecisive with my votes on Dave/Gamr? Fine. [Fair Point]
Want to lynch me cause I wont give any comprehensive read list? Fine-[Policy Lynch]
Want to lynch me cause I wont scumhunt as much as you? Fine-[Opportunistic]

I haven't stated either of the last two things.

And I'm pretty sure the votes on you are coming because of my case on you soooo...

duppin · Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:56 am

In post 2099, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Duppin, thoughts on Fire?

I am not entirely sure. Some of what he has done seems very scummy, but I find him rather difficult to read because he always plays like that.

The one thing I found rather interesting was the possible connection between him and Kitty. They've been ignoring each other pretty much all game even today when both of them we're getting pressured, they never really commented on each other. That is why I asked Firebringer about Kitty.

I could definitely see them be aligned though.