Micro 532: Anything UPick! (Day1)

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: Dave for complaining about mod font.

Oveously the most scummy thing.

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Bulge is concerningly hype for RVS.

Probably not alignment vindictive, but something to watch.

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Wait, Luna's vote was serious? I wont vote because that'd be too close to Lynch too soon, but I don't like that vote at all.

Also, do we maybe have 2 post restrictions? Bulge getting hype about everything and notscience failing to care about anything

[Peptobislawl]

Can we all stop horsing around.
So, where's Ene and Garmr.

Also, can 27 have any indication from NS or Bulge? Or is it a we know what we need to know topic?

He's refering to the post restriction you two may have.

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as my vote is intended there anyway

^
Possibly scum excuse here, scum have more tendency to have static reads over dynamic ones. Feels like one of those "Oh hey look i have been scumreading her so this is obviously not clashing with any reads i have had"

um

no

what it was is he didn't want to vote to put you at L-1, but since someone removed their vote he put it on because he was no longer putting it at L-1. That's not scummy. That's sensibility.

This implies that nothing i did changed such read, since i have answered his questions in full, this means he has other questions or didnt like my answers, in whichever case you'd think he'd be either posting more questions or a case, i don't see either, do you?

Here's a question for you. Why would scum care to push a wagon in RVS? The only wavy the wagon would get to L-1 would be with both the scum on it and 2 town, and that would immediatly throw suspision on on the wagon, leaving town with only 4 players to sort through to find scum on D1, which is HORRIBLE for them.The basic assumption of your read requires that the wagon might lead to a Lynch, which is false. Your vote, on the other hand, is serious and intended to lead to, if not a Lynch, suspision thrown on (I forgot who it was and also phoneposting) by the rest of the town. Your vote seems more suspisiius, then, due to the tenuous logic. Enough for a page 1 read, at least.

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What the hell is that quote doing in my post? It was supposed to be receding to your "lets play a game" post.

Shh the wonders of phoneposting

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If you don't get why pushing an RVS wagon to near Lynch is a based scumplay then either you're being deliberately obtuse or are just bad at scum.

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But when you're using that as a reason to scumread someone it is utter bollocks.

Parroting and opportunism are the reasons im scumreading someone.
Not RVS wagoning, I already went through this.

There is no opertunism because there is no opertunity. If scum wanted to stay hidden in RVS they'd vote literally anyone, same as town. So the only other opertunity would be a myslynch, which wont happen in RVS. So your argument, adjusted for logic, is "he told the same joke as pepto"



Explain to me how that is good scumhunting, cause I don't get it.

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Notscinece has posted once, and we can only say he read up to post 14. I need him to post more and confirm weather he knows the vote was real. then we'll talk about him.
Tet might be your scumpartner, or he just agrees with your strange reasoning. Saying you must be town because 2 others (seem to) agree with you doesn't fly because it implies town can't disagree with town.

As a side note, both of the players you quoted are among the least active in the game. (Notscience has one friggin post!) Tet definitely agrees with you, so I'll scumlean him for now and we'll talk about it later.

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9p scumteam is 2 ppl, so you can't possibly be thinking all 3 of us are scum.

ahem

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The problem is Luna, other people are not participating right now. I agree that we need to make sure that we don't tunnel over this, but possibly (and only possibly) the inactivity of this game so far gives you off as the biggest scum read.

Problem is that you guys are only looking at me with Scum painted glasses.
Critical thinking comes from looking at the possibility of me being town and whether my actions also make sense with that mindset (since apparently you guys think it makes sense as scum).

See, this is why i wanted to drop my scumhunting strategies in favor of townhunting ones.
Everytime i do this with my unconventional scumhunting methods people scumread me, because i scumread people for batshit crazy reasons, and for some reason, im usually accurate, i don't know why or how. Believe what you want to believe, multiple times i've correctly scumread someone off entirely their RVS post and been correct, but with attitude like this people tend to drive me into second guessing myself and losing the game afterwards.

Inb4 Self-meta = scum.

Well maybe if you quoted some games at us it would look less manipulative.

As a side note, if that is your real meta, it looks like you got lucky fingering someone at might-as well-be-random a couple of times and started to trust your methods despite the myslynches.

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So another thing i've been noticing, some ppl, pretty much pepto but i dont remember if i saw another one mention it.
Says that Tetaes is scum for agreeing with me, so since he's scumreading me, means everyone else is town, which is the people scumreading me.
This goes back to the faulty logic that "I'm right, therefore everyone that agrees with me is town and everyone that disagrees with me is scum", while we all would love that scum would be that obvious because games would be as easy as pushing someone and whoever defended them = scum, then town would win the vast majority of the games.

I'm pretty sure i don't have to point out why this isn't true, and if you think this is then you should go back to The road to rome and play more newbie games.

All that argument shows is that you have convinced yourself so much that im scum, that you're either (Scum that can't back off of a mislynch) or (Conf bias town), do i have to spell it out why both of these are bad?.

If i was scum my partner wouldn't have issue blending in in a bus, and since im town, im pretty sure i dont have to mention why there's a high chance the people voting me already are scum.

Scumlean=/=scumread. I never put any more weight behind it then "hey he's siding with someone who I think is scum". You're dramatically overstating my opinions.

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And a role that requires we keep you around till D3 to verify.

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I don't really buy a role that would take the magjority of the game to verify. It's a very conveniant role for you to have in your position.

VOTE: Luna to put you back at 3

[Peptobislawl]

I'm a bastard mod for using Comic Sans. But other than that, no, this game is not bastard and was not advertised as such. The definition of bastard I'm using comes from the Large Theme Game rules: "Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?". My answer would be No.

I don't see post restriction on this list. So it could still be in play. Since bulge isn't around does anyone know if he's usually this...hyperactive? I only bring up post restrictions because bulge's posts read like forced cheerleader diologue.

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If you want my opinion on the 180, I think he just realised you aren't joking.

Dave's right, we need more leads. If anyone else votes Luna I will invite if I'm around.

Notscience is apparently dodging this game, bulge hasent posted since his Luna vote, tet hasent posted since his Luna unvote, and we have a Guy on the verge of replacement. I want to know everyone's thoughts on bulge in particular, and how they would change depending on Luna's flip.

Pedit: you're late.

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Still reads like a cheerleader, and I am actually going to need you to divulge some reasons. Respect has no place in scumhunting, sorry to say.

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I hope it's a restriction, otherwise i may need to smack him.

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[quote="In post 212, notscience"]I try to outguess the mod in upicks all the time.

For instance, touhou upick 1 where I said there was no way the hated were both town

hint; I was right[/q]

[Peptobislawl]

frig I menant to comment on that hold on

[Peptobislawl]

I try to outguess the mod in upicks all the time.

For instance, touhou upick 1 where I said there was no way the hated were both town

hint; I was right

I can't in good faith accept outguess the mod on it's own. Do you have some other evidence against bulge.




If you say read luna's posts I swear to god

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Outguess the mod is a supplement to evidence, not evidence on it's own. Luna's reasoning against bulge is little better than guessing at random, the fact she got lucky a few times means nothing here.

[Peptobislawl]

[quote="In post 221, notscience"]He has literally nothing alignment indicative to comment on.[quote]

And you're voting for him...why?
If he has nothing alignment indicative, that means he's done nothing scummy, correct?


Run this logic by me again.

[Peptobislawl]

What we need to do here is find the source of the problem and fix it.

@Peptobislawl - Can you explain why you don't believe Luna's over dramatic claim again?

She picked the first guy who random voted the same as someone else, assuming it was opportunistic to push a "wagon" that would go nowhere, apparently believing that scum could hide better on an RVS wagon than anywhere else during RVS. She then proceeded to defend this as a serious read despite all active players at the time telling her it doesn't make sense.

There is nothing alignment indicative in his posting.

There is alignment indicative in (correctly) outguessing the mod.

Nice nitpick though.

So you're assuming your guess is correct and working from there, rather than using evidence.

Good

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[Peptobislawl]

She picked the first guy who random voted the same as someone else, assuming it was opportunistic to push a "wagon" that would go nowhere, apparently believing that scum could hide better on an RVS wagon than anywhere else during RVS. She then proceeded to defend this as a serious read despite all active players at the time telling her it doesn't make sense.

I get that... But why do you not believe her role claim?

Oh The ROLLCLAIM, sorry

It seems convenient, since she can only do it even nights, we'd have to wait till D3 to "easily verify" it. Honestly the only thing that makes me think Luna might be town is that scum wouldn't dare be so suicidal.


Notscience, I have a question for you. If we lynch bulge and he flips town, than according to your spec, you're the scum, correct?

[Peptobislawl]

also "calling out faulty logic =/= chainsaw defence.
I have a bus to catch, back in an hour

[Peptobislawl]

Chainsaw might not be the right term, but it is a rather aggressive defense.

And there's nothing townie in most of your ISO's, so I'm not qualifying it as that. I said "nothing alignment indicative" which is, in and of itself, something scummy as it is trying to limit people from reading him.

He hasn't actually commented on anything other than Luna all game when he isnt being post restricted.

Why did he avoid commenting on anything else?

Your first mistake is assuming I'm defending anything. I could believe that bulge is scum, if anyone had an actual

case

. You have no case, and the sooner you realise that, the sooner we can get back to scumhunting instead of arguing about non-evidence.

He won't flip town.

But sure, whatever you have to tell yourself to vote him.

So you haven't even considered the possibility that you're wrong about this.

Consider it

. Arrogance will get you nowhere in scumhunting.

Before you ask, If Luna flips town, what I would do is hunt through the people pushing for her lynch. If she's town, one of the people must be scum, it's just to easy. It'd be hard to say anyone had scummy reasoning to accuse her, she did nothing to suggest her innocence, so her wagon is a good hiding place. If she is scum, then it's more likely her partner is off the wagon.

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So you haven't even considered the possibility that you're wrong about this. Consider it. Arrogance will get you nowhere in scumhunting.

Pot meets kettle.

Before you ask, If Luna flips town, what I would do is hunt through the people pushing for her lynch. If she's town, one of the people must be scum, it's just to easy. It'd be hard to say anyone had scummy reasoning to accuse her, she did nothing to suggest her innocence, so her wagon is a good hiding place. If she is scum, then it's more likely her partner is off the wagon.

Good job ignoring a chunk of my post.

[Peptobislawl]

she did nothing to suggest her innocence

Apparently im blind, because im pretty sure at least 3-4 ppl have disagreed with this.
Maybe all of them are my scumbuddies?
Oh wait, you said that if im town, the people suspecting me is scum that's.... you and Davsto.

You went from self voting dejection to this. This is your reminder that people only think you are town for VI related reasons.

[Peptobislawl]

Save sci and tet, that is.

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Save sci and tet, that is.

Bulge said it's meta.

Perhaps i'm counting meta as VI? I'm standing by my previous assessment that you pulled stupid stunts and got lucky a few times.

Notscience, I will ask you again. What will you do if Bulge flips town? Do not tell me he won't, give me a real answer. After that,

START SCUMHUNTING

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[Peptobislawl]

OK. You have no case, so I won't vote with you. Because I wont play how you want me to play.

Glad we came to an agreement.

[Peptobislawl]

You have a very one dimensional view of the game. You have no reason not to lynch him, and the sooner you realize that, the sooner we can get back to lynching scum instead of arguing over your nitpicking.

"My outgess the mod is right and you should all vote with me" isn't one dimensional?
I also have no reason to lynch him.
You have a very strange definition of "nitpicking"

[Peptobislawl]

If the rest of the town (that means besides you and luna) thinks bulge is the best lynch today than fine, but i don't see the 100% confidence on this spec you seem to have.

So I might as well ask. Who here thinks bulge is a good lynch? Notscience and luna I already know your opinion.

Pedit: if you won't answer my old question how about this one. Why are you so sure about your setup spec? This lynch hinges on it being right, so why do you think it is?

[Peptobislawl]

Anyways, the wagon on you is really bad.

Right now-

Town
You
Vedith
me
Maybe davvy boy
Ene (too bad to be scum)

Scum
Bulge
one of (Pepto/Garmr)

This game is ridiculously easy.

pedit-
Because it makes no sense to restrict the transparency of two members of town, whereas 1 town and 1 scum allows the scum to hide behind the PR.

Tell me about garmr, why do you scumread him?

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I think that, if anything, is part of why he's scum, it provides an excuse so we can't ever really call his posts fake.

I got food so i cut that last post short, so heres the other thing.

You actually posted a logical reason behind your read right here. Either your setup spec is right, so he's scum, or he's faking a post restriction, so he's scum. It still hinges on your spec but it's better than "I'm Right"
You could have led with that, you know.

I still think there's a possibility that your spec is wrong, though. This game is "swingy" according to the mod, and 2 restrictions, especially if one is as mild as yours, would fit that bill. It depends on weather the mod wanted balance more or powers that match your picks more. The swingy tag makes me lean to the latter.

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No, I think either way he has a post restriction, but he's overselling it. There's no way he conveniently makes up the same limitation I have.

I thought the cheerleader thing is his restriction?

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Random vote stage. It's how most games start, with people throwing out joke votes to try and start some conversation.

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Well the hammer happened while i was on a bus. At least some real reasons for the lynch came out near the end there.

Notscience, if Bulge flips scum i will never doubt you again.
If he flips town i will never forgive you.

[Peptobislawl]

I shouldn't be mad about a bad push from a lyncher



Shouldn't be, but I am.

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All we really have is Luna defending notscience's lynch, which is not a lot due to lyncher.

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Hey i didn't get one either!

MOD: I think you forgot to send out daystart PS's

[Peptobislawl]

Now that's an interesting vote.
Care to explain?

[Peptobislawl]

Now that's an interesting vote.
Care to explain?

Worst reaction so far to the flips

I think he literally means he got a banana last night, and is telling us in a goofy way.
Though I want ved to tell us if the banana does anything, or is just a stupid joke.

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: Bins
Obvious AtE
Ok FINE
UNVOTE: Bins

[Peptobislawl]

Any reason you ask me in particular?
What I'm more interested in is why you don't already know who broke in.

[Peptobislawl]

If theres only one scum, a no lynch still wouldn't kill us. The basic idea is hey lets narrow it down a little before we potentially put it all on one lynch.

Still feels weird though. the rare time a NL is even slightly helpful.

[Peptobislawl]

Don't do that. Don't. Don't do it. No

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Don't forget flavor is unrelated to alignment in this game.
Really though, Luna is only a scumread in absence of anything else. I kinda snapped at her because of how frustrating it was dealing with lyncher notscinence, and I'm sorry. If that (watcher? Tracker?) claim from Ene is true that would make you town anyway, and reflecting on D1 a little calmer, I can see town in your posts, if a little overconfidence.

Tet Vs. Ved may produce something, I'll have to look over it again when I have more time. Right now I don't like Ved threatening to end the day some 6 RL days early, so he's my scumlean from that for now.

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Well good for you, it was random, as bins said from the start.
If you're gonna make a bad call like hey lets end the day just after it starts then of course I'm gonna hassle you for it.
I'm between classes so I haven't reread yet, but SOOOOON.

[Peptobislawl]

Well that's a no lynch hammer.

Like 5 1/2 days before the deadline.

What the hell, man.

[Peptobislawl]

Care to share with the class?

[Peptobislawl]

I did.
I was wondering if it was you or someone else.
Yeah, ved is town, and apparently sends cop results to other people.

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Now i'm really confused.
If it wasn't you, how did you know?

[Peptobislawl]

No, it said you were town. nothing more.

[Peptobislawl]

Can you explain everything you know about the message I got? It may help narrow things down.

[Peptobislawl]

I've got to be honest about my scumreads right now.

I have none.
D1 was all about Luna and NotSci, and D2 ended way to early, so i can't get a workable read form it. Ved was my top scumread, but that note adds a ton of WIFOM to the issue. Without it, I'd have insta-voted ved for the quick-No Lynch, But now i've gotta figure out if he's telling the truth about his role or if a scum mailman is at work. For now, scumlean on ved for D2+Note and lesser scumlean on Gamir for Lurking. I want to see some other opinions on this note before i vote.

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Hey, i don't know. I've never been in a game with a mailman.

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Anyone else wanna chime in?

[Peptobislawl]

What are you on about?
I expected it to say Vedith is FN from my pm but it just said Vedith is town.

But it's pretty obvious I'm town, only scum are going to try and push this against me

I'd love if someone with more experence with this kind of thing to comment on the note. If we can clear ved with it that would narrow things down significantly.

[Peptobislawl]

Katia Manigan, I have a 50/50 shot of watching my target and I've blown it twice.

[Peptobislawl]

I think it's because Luna was also Even-Night. Not that that's convincing.

Also, the inactivity in this game, man.

[Peptobislawl]

Ene Hasent posted anywhere in 3 days, so she may not be lurking deliberately. Does anyone want to SAY WORDS AT SOME POINT?

[Peptobislawl]

And prodded i was.
I'm waiting for a response from Ene before i comment on her, but we are quickly running out of time on that front. If she hasn't popped in when i wake up tomorrow, I'll go on without her.

[Peptobislawl]

Well i woke up just now and there's no Ene responce so HERE I GO.

As a quick summary, here's what we know about Ene's role. She is a watcher, she con only watch on odd nights, and she doesn't get the names of the people who visit her target. Se did talk like Luna's visiter was for sure a "bad guy", so maybe she get's alignment instead?

Thing is, isn't that kind of a useless power? If you don't get a name, what's the point of knowing "oh hey a mafia visited her last night"? It doesn't tell you anything except that the mafia can visit someone for something other than a kill, and even then it doesn't tell you what it did unless your watcher target knows, and that would mean your role didn't help in figuring that out. Best case scenario, you could say for sure that it was a scum X and not a town X. And that's assuming she does in fact get alignment. It seems like such a Non-role that i' not inclined to believe it. There is the issue of the "forensic investigator" not matching up with this description, but given Ene's apparent RP-ing tenancies I'm more willing to overlook this one, not that it helps her case any.

And I'm going to vote Ene in 24 hours if she doesn't out her report or defend the case about her role, or tried to defend but the reason is too bullshit.

Given the lack of time left, i am preemptively declaring

ENTENT TO HAMMER

1 hour after this vote happens, should a satisfactory explanation from Ene not be provided in that time.

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Because I actually went back and thought about Ene's claim? I'm not the best at rememberig things sometimes and Ene kinda got lost in the shuffle, the suspicion on her now made me go back and look her ISO over to see if i agree.

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VOTE: Tet

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Yeah go ahead.

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I was Katia, but i was a mafia roleblocker.

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NYUCKNYUCKNYUCKNYUCKNYUCK

Thanks for the help, BTW