Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[MarioManiac4]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

No. I just sheeped BBT.
And honestly my reads in Flower Festival were just gut and I'm really surprised I didn't townread any scum.
I had no scumreads and was null on more than half of the players.

[Alchemist21]

I can tell this is going to be a high-volume-post game.

Anyone else I have no read on right now. I'll take another look at some of these slots later on to look at them from a more logical perspective, but for now I'm comfortable with this.

VOTE: 3dicerolling

Tell me more about your vote?

He was the first one I had a gut read on, and I'd say it's slightly stronger than the one on you.

[ICEninja]

I'm liking Mario for scum more and more.

Man I'm starting to have WAY too many scum reads this game.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm liking Mario for scum more and more.

Man I'm starting to have WAY too many scum reads this game.

Congratulations!
You're wrong!

[3dicerolling]

I'm still not sure about the firebringer/garmr love fest. I feel like one of them is scum trying to hide under the town one, but I'm not sure which one entirely yet. After analyzing many responses and recent posts I'm leaning town on both Ice and Archmage. Looking back, I did find a few people who aroused suspicion in my mind.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Garmr

Normal RVS.

1) Is anyone in a non-American time zone, or for other reasons posts in odd hours?
2) Is anyone here brand new or otherwise unfamiliar with how the game is played here at mafiascum.net?
3) What kind of level of activity should we expect from you?

1) No.
2) No.
3. Inactivity interspersed with frenetic bursts of activity.

Just answers the question.

Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.

Are you townreading him for is questions? Why do you sound so certain? Why haven't you answered other people who asked you this?

He asks a question, which initially seems useful here, but there's not really any follow up.

Is your vote on Garmr legit or remnants of RVS?

Remnants of RVS.

Says it's a remnant of RVS, but does not really contend to change his vote or opinion.

I'm not sure I like the precedence of the unvote.

What do you mean by this?

Syndesis:

Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.

Townslip or nah?

Or they literally didn't read the rules.

First part he asks me a question, which was already answered, so it seems pistacion isn't reading or just missed it. He also tries to immediately discredit a possible townread, which pings scummy to me.

Scumread on Mario, he's playing lazily.

VOTE: MarioManiac

Hypocritical vote from a person with no work put into his posts. He asks a few questions, but doesn't really follow up with it in any way.

Spoiler:

Lol i knew syndnious was innocent child before the game started because the mod sent me his role pm .

Nice, we've started with the mod errors early.
VOTE: MonkeyMan mutiny

Nothing particularly scummy, just RVS.

1) See my sig. Clocks going back tonight though. GMT, woot.
2) I'm experienced enough to not be a buffoon some of the time.
3) Changeable. Like, really changeable.

Answers the question.

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Randomness at its finest.

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

This doesn't really make much sense.

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

Hi. Got anything to add?

Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.

I get not having anything early, but he should have something legit at this point in the game.

I'll have a look in the morning, see if a fresh mindset makes a difference. Don't hold your breath.

Let's see what the fresh mindset is.

@farside - that colour is really hard to read on the dark scheme. Is there a way you could change it? Thanks.

Asking for change in color.

@Davsto: you've posted quite a few times, but have contributed next to nothing content wise. Gun to your head, you have to lynch someone RIGHT NOW. Who and why?

Firebringer because I don't have confident enough reads to lynch anyone, but I can't read Firebringer at all, so getting his alignment straight early on is useful.

That would literally only be if you forced me,

though. I would rather just wait until the end of the day where I have more solid reads with more to go off. I can be quite slow early game, sometimes.

Postpones his reads again. He says he would lynch firebringer, but is shows extreme resistance in the bold statement.

How exactly is playing stressful?

Like when you're speedlynched despite obviously being town and you point out obvious scum with plenty of reasons but you're still not listened to

Points out how mafia is stressful. Correct, but no particularly useful.

Yeah, I know, I'm joking don't worry about it

Not really sure what to say about this except it's post 115 and there still isn't much content from Davsto.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... to_Emotion

Informing Archmage, who didn't know the term.

Uck. I cause more problems than good in real life, why should it be any different anywhere else?

You would think Dav would have more of an opinion if he was going to quote this.

We don't have that phrase in America, and over here being pissed means being extremely angry.

This is how I'm aware of it as a Brit
pissed = drunk
pissed off = angry
taking the piss = being unreasonable
taking the piss out of = mocking, making fun of

Not really sure why he responded to this, it seems just like mindless filler.

Oh man, I'd love to hear an argument that I haven't heard a thousand times.

I'm often slow early game. You using that as an excuse to jump on my growing wagon does yourself no favours to the suspicions I already have, thanks.

Your wagon is barely growing, so why are you so panicked? And even if you start slow, you should still have at least 1 town and 1 scum read at 10 pages in.

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Whoa. Whoa. He has suspicions! And a 4th excuse for no content.

So if you've had suspicions why have you not posted about them?

Because I don't have the effort right now. I have to have food in a bit; I'll come back after that and enlighten you.

Davsto has put off actually doing stuff many time and it's kind of annoying. All he has so far is pretty much filler.

UNVOTE: Firebringer

VOTE: Pistacion

I'm going to wait until I can get a better read on Fire as some of his recent posts kind of tip me off as town, but I'm sure there is a scum between him and Garmr. I'm also leaning scum on Pistacion and Davsto because of there general uselessness and lack of content.

Now Garmr's post

Spoiler:

I don't really like 3dice rolling at the moment. Something about him makes me feel like his scum. The fact that his parking his vote on fire yet yet hasn't really pushed fire or expanded on his fire vote is really bad. The only interaction after the fire vote was sparked when fire chastised ice for being dumb. 3dice twisted it around to make it look like fire was pushing ice. Then just stats that stupidity is a scum trait as well as town trait after. Which is kinda weird since those two post put together feels like he wants fire to push ice.

I can accept some of this logic. I was holding my vote on him because I was pretty iffy due to his reactions toward me, but like I said, his recent posts throw me off; however, this is a blatant misrep of what I said. I said stupidity is a universal trait (both town and scum) and Fire disagreed. I asked him to point out a case where it's only for town, and he did not respond.

But other than the fire thing it feels like most of his posts are throw away statements. When he does question me through this statement comes off as trying to paint me with a scummy brush

Um no, that's you. Right now.

No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.

Unvote

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Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town.

Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

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Ice I was excited because I got actually play instead of not being able to which was looking like the case before. I don't like the bolded comment here it seems like your hunting for a power role this early. Town roles may target the innocent child as well and i think anyone would of thought of this. I feel like this is the wrong attitude to scum hunt for town so I draw the conclusion that your scum.

Looking back, this really makes no sense at all. If Ice was grasping at straws I the beginning, this is really grasping for something. I also feel like garmr is playing rather defensive.

But when I follow it up and ask why his not voting me when pushing . He then tries to discredit my read on ice but even after all are convosation he won't even mention a town or scum read. I even tried to provoke him into slipping a vote on me expecting him to take a stance either side. But he continued to remain passive.

Just no. I didn't vote you because I was voting fire, who I wanted to pressure at the time. At that point in the game, I was asking Ice and Arch some questions, trying to provoke a town or scum response. Obviously, by the beginning of this post, you see what my opinion is. Just because I didn't say a read, does not necessarily mean I was not formulating some. And by passive do you mean voting someone that isn't you?

Dude your taking everything ice at face value with out looking at intentions that's not a good way to scum hunt also no vote on me yet your pushing me whers the pressure

No, I'm looking at the true intentions of his post and not hard tunneling him, and I'm quite fine with where my vote is now.

Actually looking at it now he got involved with both me and ice yet didn't form a stance on either of us while being active and interacting with both of us is a big nono. Yet his quick to point out others who haven't commented on us.

Yes, I was pointing out others because I want them to get involved because its difficult to form a read when they are not giving opinions. Yes, I did have a stance, but I guess I was not extremely clear with it at the time.

I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.

Hi. Got anything to add?

Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.

You don't have any opinion on fire or ninja?

VOTE: 3dice rolling.

If I didn't think only one of firebringer/garmr was scum, I would say this is seems a lot like chainsaw defense.

@Fire, I'm not taking your word for it that Garmr is town just because you've played with town Garmr before. Unless you can show me a solid case that doesn't involve me reading full games of him (I don't do that unless absolutely necessary), possibly where he does something explicit as Garmr!town that Garmr!scum never does or vice versa, your meta read is meaningless to my read of Garmr. For all I know you two could be scum buddies.

^^^^I don't know how to say this any better. I don't really know most people's meta (most in this game are new to me), so if you reference meta I won't understand and won't be able to take you seriously.

Scorpious is a slight town read right now based off his strong comeback. I'm null for everyone else.

[Davsto]

Welp, that was an easy RVS.

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Unvote, vote Firebringer

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Like, shit, this is the biggest misrepresentation I've ever seen.

Welp, that was an easy RVS.

Firebringer calls me town and votes me in the same post.

Unvote, vote Firebringer

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I did not call you town.

I said you were trying to appear like Stupid Town.
Please read the posts.

Or at least not discredit me.

This is a townie reply. Rather than "OMG UR SCUM" it's just "yeh, what you said was wrong, read the post or don't discredit me".

No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.

Unvote

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Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?

Vote Garmr

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"oh no I did this scummy thing as a reaction test" - this is utter crap, are you saying that only scum jump onto someone who's clearly scummy? Like, I don't see the point of this. Also, this is a terrible vote, like what?

Not much to comment on specifically for the rest (plus I kinda skimmed), but my main two scumreads are Ice and Archmage.

VOTE: ICEninja[/v]

[Davsto]

VOTE: ICEninja

[Alchemist21]

I actually kinda like Dave's point there, but I do think scum are generally more careful with their early arguments. Doing something scummy in the hopes that scum jump on it is a play I've seen from Town multiple times before (see Slayer's Gambit). It also usually comes from newer players as well though.

Ice falls a little imo, but stays in Town range. I think Dave just went up into very slight Town range.

[pistachi0n]

I cannot read Davsto and will be looking elsewhere.

Really?

Link a completed game where I have read you right
Like I thought you were scum in Temple Guards mafia when spectating
Not worth the time

You got me right in my first newbie, and I think you had me as town during the short period you were alive during Flower Viewing Festival.

No. I just sheeped BBT.
And honestly my reads in Flower Festival were just gut and I'm really surprised I didn't townread any scum.
I had no scumreads and was null on more than half of the players.

See! I told you so. This is what I meant in my last post. (I'm being a hypocrite though, I'm aware.)

[ICEninja]

So...you've had nothing...NOTHING for 10 pages. Four times have you made excuses about lack of content because you aren't good at early game.

Then you drop a vote for the person who voted you...based on things that happened on page 1. You dropped a vote you could have dropped 10 of the 11 pages ago, after 4 times saying "I got nothing, too early in the game",

particularly

after this statement:

I'll have a look in the morning, see if a fresh mindset makes a difference. Don't hold your breath.

That was on page 4. So on page 4 you re-read the game with a fresh mindset, including what you voted me for, but had nothing. All the sudden I'm voting you and now what I did on page 1 is scummy to you. Don't forget that, gun to your head, you would have policy lynched someone instead of lynching someone for scum suspicion on page 4, which was clearly after what you've voted me for.

If this isn't going through my ISO in an attempt to find a reason to call me scum (and a particularly weak one at that), I don't know what is.

This is far above and beyond the scummiest thing anyone has done this game.

[Syndesis]

Will concur with the sentiment of 259 (above). I'm sort of drowning in paranoid doubt right now, so refraining from making other comments.

[Firebringer]

Hey Alchemist, what you think so far buddy?

Syndesis, I am not a troll.

[Alchemist21]

I've pretty much given all my thoughts so far. I've gone back through Dice's and Arch's ISO's but that didn't do much to change my read of them tbh. I think I'll have more success in developing my reads going forward rather than trying to sort through this retroactively.

[Firebringer]

Fair enough.

I was scum reading your slot a bit, so I would like more interaction with you.

[Syndesis]

Hey Alchemist, what you think so far buddy?

Syndesis, I am not a troll.

Okay. (That may have been the wrong word, I guess?)

I just find it really hard to believe that you wouldn't consider pregamechat standard, having played so many games on MS.

[Firebringer]

Pregame chat lasts for not even a day, everytime I have seen it, nobody posts and it closes before discussion.
So it isnt utilized often.

[Firebringer]

Here was my latest scum game for example:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=63356

Nobody said a word, but even other ones I have played were exactly like this.

[Alchemist21]

Fair enough.

I was scum reading your slot a bit, so I would like more interaction with you.

What are your current reads? Mine still stand from the list I posted with the exception that Davsto is now Town.

P.S. As a total aside I totally would have discussed strat with you in that game but BBT messed up sending the PM.

[Syndesis]

Fair enough @265. I'm just...really confused by this. I dunno. Am I reading too much into it?

I don't believe that is considered a normal mechanic.
It would be announced if it was in the game.

[Firebringer]

I thought you were talking about day chat, not pregame chat.
Those are different.

[Firebringer]

@Alchemist right now its you, Mario and Archmage.

[Firebringer]

@Alchemist right now its you, Mario and Archmage.

For scum.

Everyone else is town or null.

Null on these-
Wanderer
Davsto
pistachion
Iceninja

[Alchemist21]

Why do you think Mario is scum?

Also, why is discussion on whether scum had pregame/day chat relevant? The question came from Archmage seeming to not realize syndesis was an Innocent Child, but that fact is in the OP so I wouldn't call that a Townslip or an attempt to fake one.

[Firebringer]

Interesting you asked why I thought Mario was scum, instead of asking why I thought your slot was scum.

Very interesting.

[Alchemist21]

Interesting you asked why I thought Mario was scum, instead of asking why I thought your slot was scum.

Very interesting.

I ask because Mario is currently null for me and I'm asking to see if I'm missing something there.