Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[Varsoon]

"A yellow scarf has been dropped in a pleasant meadow.
Please don't ask me to explain that."

-Piccollo,

Suikoden III

VOTECOUNT 3.03

BRantz (3):

Ranger, Elbirn, pistachi0n

pistachi0n (3):

BRantz, Firekari, Firekari

Not Voting (4):

Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational, Suzune, wgeurts

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-28 04:15:00)

[Reasonably Rational]

No, don't Ascetic tonight. Let Elibern check to see if you really do have 2 1-shot abilities, if you speak the truth then this will confirm it.
Anyway, BRantz you're confusing me, please explain your role again.

If I check her and one ability has been used,it'll still show she has the ability. It'll read as like, suzune has two abilities, the first has 0 shots left, the second has 1 shot left.

Are you sure on the timing of your result? Does it take into account the events which occurred during the night? Also, ascetic means it won't work period.

-Cerb

Only if I activate it. If I choose not to activate then, he will get through.

Yes, but he wouldn't confirm that you had used a shot, which was the assumption in that scenario. Either he checks and you never used it and have a shot left in each, OR you use it and he gets no result.

-Cerb

[FireKari]

From what we read on the wiki, ascetic causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills.We doubt varsoon would use ascetic in the setup without something to counter.

Out of all the claimed/flipped roles given, it looks to us like the only role where we see ascetic having any counter utility would be pistachi0n:

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

Also, on night 1 I had the ability to give someone a hated modifier for the next day. Then, the night after that, they'd pass it to someone else, etc. I gave RR a hated modifier and it appears he has given it back.

VOTE: Brantz

And this would only be useful vs hated or cop.

Based on all the info we have, and assuming Suzune was honest about her claim, we think it likely that Suzune's ascetic was meant to counter an unkown scum role.

[FireKari]

Hmm, could also counter Elbirn's ability. Still though we find it unlikely her ascetic was meant to counter elbirn or pistachi0n's role. A null vs investigative (elbirn or pistachion-cop) could cause suspicion, and the hated modifier could be passed on anyways.

[Suzune]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

[FireKari]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

How many abilities in this game do you see which could be affected by ascetic?

[Ranger]

How did your ability's inability to roleblock day actions grant you the knowledge that wgeurts's dayvig on you was fake?

Because I don't think my ability would specify night actions if there was a role that could act in a harmful way during the day.

Anyway, lynch BRantz let Klingoncelt night kill pistachi0n and then we'll look at suzune/Klingoncelt.

Alright. If you're lynching BRantz...

VOTE: pistachi0n.
...Then I block pistachi0n.

[Ranger]

Ranger should change mark and vote to fireKari (if firekari is scum we prevent the nightkill. No nightkill means scum is fucking with us or fire is the scum, i.e. can't reliably determine alignment, but we've prevented a town death. If nk happens then firekari is confirmed town.)

I can only mark one person a day. (Pretty sure, anyway. Otherwise I feel stupid for not just marking everyone D1. :P) So the people I can mark are BRantz and pistachi0n.

Whoever the town lynches, I need to be voting the other.

[Ranger]

*The people I can vote.

[pistachi0n]

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

Also, on night 1 I had the ability to give someone a hated modifier for the next day. Then, the night after that, they'd pass it to someone else, etc. I gave RR a hated modifier and it appears he has given it back.

VOTE: Brantz

I tagged you yesterday and I got tagged today, so I beg to differ.
Actually, if you had been reading the game, you would have noticed that I said I refused to do anything with it until I knew what it was.

-Cerb

[Suzune]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

How many abilities in this game do you see which could be affected by ascetic?

All depends. If I a was mafia I feel like it would be beneficial because I would not use the redirect and the ascetic at the same time. I was an ascetic serial killer and cop, yes those two things go together, and it never worked out poorly for me. So I imagine it would be more useful to a mafia agent, and they probably would not have messaged the host to ask if they were serious about the role.

[Suzune]

Vote count please mod?

[FireKari]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

How many abilities in this game do you see which could be affected by ascetic?

All depends. If I a was mafia I feel like it would be beneficial because I would not use the redirect and the ascetic at the same time. I was an ascetic serial killer and cop, yes those two things go together, and it never worked out poorly for me. So I imagine it would be more useful to a mafia agent, and they probably would not have messaged the host to ask if they were serious about the role.

Perhaps we should rephrase. Out of all the abilities revealed via flip or claim, how many are susceptible to negation via ascetic?

[Suzune]

All of them, except killing roles. That is how ascetic works.

[FireKari]

All of them, except killing roles. That is how ascetic works.

So every player with out a NK ability, has an ability which can be negated by ascetic? We are double voter with no night ability, so there is nothing for you to negate. Same with Brantz, RR, and Wgeurts nothing to negate.

We are asking for compilation of players with abilities which could possibly be countered by ascetic.

Elbirn and Pistachion make this list. They both have abilities which could be negated by ascetic. Not sure what would happen with ranger's roleblock vs ascetic. Do you see any others specifically?

[Suzune]

Oh, I misunderstand. I have never been ascetic with a game having day abilities. I am uncertain how it works. I assume since the roleblock does not work until evening that it might still work on that. However, I am uncertain. depends on how actions stack.

[FireKari]

Oh, I misunderstand. I have never been ascetic with a game having day abilities. I am uncertain how it works. I assume since the roleblock does not work until evening that it might still work on that. However, I am uncertain. depends on how actions stack.

Ok we give up and will do this on our own. If you have ascetic ability then logically there should exist some purpose for the ability.

We had not even considered immunity from day actions, since the wiki states: "Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at

Night

except kills."

So looking at only players with non-lethal night time abilities would remove LQ, Titus, Yukari, Jeanne11, Wgeurts, RR, Brantz, and Klingoncelt from the list, which leaves:

BM:

Each night, you may target a player to render them immune to all targeted abilities, including the night kill.

Ranger:

Claim: modified roleblocker

.
I mark a person during the day. If I end the day voting a marked player, they will be roleblocked. Kills included, meaning I can stop the last scum.

Pistachi0n:

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

Also, on night 1 I had the ability to give someone a hated modifier for the next day. Then, the night after that, they'd pass it to someone else, etc. I gave RR a hated modifier and it appears he has given it back.

Elbirn: Can write on the wall. Can also target a player to learn the number of abilities a person has, as well as the number of shots per ability.

Going a step further, we can probably eliminate BM and Ranger as being the reason Ascetic is in this game as well.

2 scum flipped already, and it would seem ascetic is useful against neither. If you are town, this would mean either the remaining scum has some ability to give your ascetic a purpose, or your ascetic ability is pretty useless.

OR

If you are scum, the only abilities your ascetic could even work on at all would be Elbirn and pistachi0n, but how useful would that be?

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Pistachi0n looks to be the best possible lynch today. Better lynched than vigged just to be careful.

As a lurker, she has very little value to provide as far as thread analysis is concerned.

However she does have value to town, moreso dead than alive.

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

If pistachi0n flips scum, gg. If pistachi0n flips town, her death could conf-town 2 players.

[Elbirn]

Claiming an innocent on a mason is just lol

[Reasonably Rational]

Pistachi0n looks to be the best possible lynch today. Better lynched than vigged just to be careful.

As a lurker, she has very little value to provide as far as thread analysis is concerned.

However she does have value to town, moreso dead than alive.

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

If pistachi0n flips scum, gg. If pistachi0n flips town, her death could conf-town 2 players.

That benefit is so minor it shouldn't be entered into the equation. We can only be scum if there is a 4 man team AND we planned a mason claim from early day 1, and confirmed said mason claim in a fashion that focused all the attention on another scum slut, when we could have easily moved to have the pressure put on klingon instead.

-Cerb

[wgeurts]

Yeah, and honestly if you get killed it will do the town good

You know what is funny. I cannot get over the audacity of this comment. It irks me so much. I'm trying not to roll my feelings into a "you must be scum" mindset. However, it if we are unsuccessful today, I might push the lynch on him biasly. If I do, someone flag me that is what I am doing.

There's a cop innocent on us

[wgeurts]

The scum utility of your role suzune is that it is a way of roleblocking others and seems to have no other pro town usage besides a possible bodyguard, it basically allows you to give Elibern false results and potentially frame a target with pistachi0n and then you can block them later if they target you.
See the scum utility?

[Suzune]

What are you trying to get at? Regardless of whether it has more use as a scum role or a town role. It remains a town role in This game.

[wgeurts]

Yeah, and I think you're town!
I just want Elibern to check you tonight to confirm your role. If you're not lying there's not a single problem with this.
The other thing that unnerves me is that there are two roleblocker it seems: You and Ranger.

[wgeurts]

Someone vote Brantz so I can lolhammer as it's given us good luck so far.