Micro 549: Everything Is A Lie 2 (Game Over)

[lilith2013]

Hi all. Dav, hope you feel better.

Who is the Counsel? How does that work if vonflare votes in-thread? Wouldn't it be obvious who he's voting?

[lilith2013]

Who

what is the Counsel?

[lilith2013]

Well I'm dumb and didn't know, so thanks for explaining.

VOTE: postie
Technologically challenged people are people too.

[lilith2013]

What does that even mean

[lilith2013]

Yes..
I'm in class all day so I'm usually not at a computer.

[lilith2013]

What does that even mean

what does what mean?

Do it for the charity

VC 1.01

Shos (2):

The Counsel, GuiltyLion

vonflare (2):

vonflare, Postie

lilith2013 (1):

Dongempire

Postie (1):

lilith2013

Not Voting:

Davsto, Shos, Flubbernugget, Shiro, BulletNLynchproof, The Counsel

With 11 votes, 6 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-16 15:37:59)

Notes:

Everyone has (expired on 2015-11-11 15:37:59) to post before getting force-replaced.

Dongempire is currently plotting with his partner who would make a good night-kill target.

So who controls the other counsel vote then? Or does vonflare control both his own vote and the counsel vote. Or does someone else entirely control it?

[lilith2013]

I like the idea of us being able to lynch wgeurts/dead thread.

If it's vonflare, does a von lynch happen when the sum reaches majority+1?

[lilith2013]

I think it meant "dong is freaking out in his PT because of that last slither of info."

[lilith2013]

o.O

[lilith2013]

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE

[lilith2013]

I actually am an IC

[lilith2013]

thanks~

[lilith2013]

Innocent Mafia would definitely be happy to be an IC.

Well look at EiaL 1. There were 3 "confirmed town", one IC and 2 Masons. However, ALL of them were actually scum. I don't think wgeurts is going to put in any legit "confirmed" townies in this game either. He is going to lie.

You said the IC was a jester. He was scum too?

[lilith2013]

Scum =/= non-town which is why your statement that jester was scum confused me.

There's no point in speculating based on last game, the entire premise of the game is that everything is a lie. Wgeurts may have chosen the same or similar roles and abilities but we have no way of knowing.

[lilith2013]

Omg how great would a poetry post restriction be

No wait a limerick post restriction

[lilith2013]

Davsto's rhyme rhymed even if confusing
But vonflare struggles rhyming his musings
This game is all lies
WIFOM, she cries
Lilith quits to go lollapaloozing.

[lilith2013]

Would write a sonnet
Break out the pen and paper
Then I was like, "no."

[lilith2013]

I don't understand
anything Dong posts at all.
Is it only me?

[lilith2013]

@wgeurts: VC 1.04 has BulletnLynchproof as not voting when he was voting me. Not sure if that matters now since he changed votes.

[lilith2013]

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Leaning town on vonflare and flubber.

What in flubber's 4 posts made you lean town on him?

[lilith2013]

Fluff. It's fluff.

[lilith2013]

If he was town and thought that there was an option of me being not loudmouth or scum he wouldnt mention it at all.

Just because you're not sure about whether a role/trait exists does not mean you should keep it to yourself.

[lilith2013]

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Leaning town on vonflare and flubber.

What in flubber's 4 posts made you lean town on him?

Waiting for your responses, GL and flubber.

[lilith2013]

Davsto you are literally the best

[lilith2013]

Thanks GL, I agree with your response actually. Focusing too much on what is and is not included in this game or what's different from last game is really just distracting us and doesn't actually do anything.

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Waiting for your responses,

GL and

flubber.

I'll just keep quoting myself until you answer then.

[lilith2013]

Dav, I am so, so sorry that you have to go through this for an entire week.

Were you trying to say sho's theory is Seine, or in Seine?

That player you voted; Postie, or post.
This is a constriction that I cannot boast.
I guess I will just have to put up with it,
Wgeurts, the bastard, the naughty old git.

Poem is the form, well, not exactly,
To say a poem would not be factly.
Instead this is a thing, sort of a type
The form it is something that used to be ripe.

The first syllable, what a child might do to a toy,
Break, smash, dispose of, destroy.
The second like boring, my thumbs they do twiddle,
The word as a whole, it rhymes with middle.

Still trying to figure this one out.

[lilith2013]

During the day, a certain thing came,
And forced upon me this restriction, so lame.
Along with a claim that my vote may have doubled,
But that isn't true, for that I am troubled.

The letter the first, a vegetable, green,
At the end of paragraphs a likeness can be seen.
The second, the second letter of a place of a song,
Which a young man might look for, for rather long.

But do not fret, this thing shall not last,
At the end of the day, this thing shall be passed.

Um... P0?

[lilith2013]

First letter is definitely P.
Second letter is pLace of a song, or place of a sOng, or the place in a particular song but idk what song.

So we have.. PL? Policy lynch?

[lilith2013]

A PR gave you this post restriction????

[lilith2013]

This one is short, released with a quiver;
shos' theory is like swimming in a French river.

Shos' theory: Seine, or in Seine?

[lilith2013]

Oh okay. I thought you were responding about the post restriction in 213 but there was the extra space and...
Anyway. Is it a PR who gave you the restriction?

[lilith2013]

Is your post restriction your spelling? Cause like

[lilith2013]

A PR gave you this post restriction????

The letter you provide there is definitely wrong,
It's not one that rolls so easily off the tongue.
If you do not get this, I will surely pillage,
The letters should come from the people of the village.

Can we get another hint on the second letter? PE? PO? PP? PV? PI? PA? PG? PL?

[lilith2013]

PO. Patient zero?

[lilith2013]

M!!! PM!!!!!!

[lilith2013]

Oh god now I have YMCA stuck in my head

[lilith2013]

Weren't you just saying that we should trace the restriction the person who posted last before he started rhyming?

[lilith2013]

I doubt it would matter who posted when. Even if it is someone in the game who made the restriction (as opposed to wgeurts making it on his own), the timing would have to be: Person X sends PM to wgeurts, wgeurts receives the pm, wgeurts sends the pm to dav, dav receives the pm, dav posts.

We known the timing of the last and we have a time frame for the second to last (after the last time dav posted before he started rhyming) but we can't be sure about anything else so it really doesn't matter who posted last before him.

[lilith2013]

What happens if you're already on a wagon?

[lilith2013]

What? We have 3 days left.

[lilith2013]

Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

What voting patterns? 3 out your 5 votes were on wgeurts or Counsel. Your other votes: one was on me for frankly pretty useless reasons, and then one was on Postie. What kind of reactions were you looking for, and what kind of reactions did you get? Did those reactions tell you anything?

von, why did you take BNL's hammerer claim as true?

[lilith2013]

Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

What voting patterns? 3 out your 5 votes were on wgeurts or Counsel. Your other votes: one was on me for frankly pretty useless reasons, and then one was on Postie. What kind of reactions were you looking for, and what kind of reactions did you get? Did those reactions tell you anything?

Are you going to answer my questions?

[lilith2013]

That's L-1, if BNL's hammerer claim is true.

[lilith2013]

Also, happy bday Dav?!

[lilith2013]

scum, no; town, yes. This will be relevant later in the game maybe, but right now, you all should unvote dong, and you should probably vote vonflare.

Can you give us your townreads and how you formulated them?

[lilith2013]

Thanks GL, I agree with your response actually. Focusing too much on what is and is not included in this game or what's different from last game is really just distracting us and doesn't actually do anything.

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Waiting for your responses,

GL and

flubber.

I'll just keep quoting myself until you answer then.

Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

What voting patterns? 3 out your 5 votes were on wgeurts or Counsel. Your other votes: one was on me for frankly pretty useless reasons, and then one was on Postie. What kind of reactions were you looking for, and what kind of reactions did you get? Did those reactions tell you anything?

Are you going to answer my questions?

*Jeopardy music*

Are either of you going to stop lurking and answer? We can see when you last logged in, you know.

[lilith2013]

He was only at 4 votes..

[lilith2013]

I said L-1 if we believe his hammerer claim

[lilith2013]

scum, no; town, yes. This will be relevant later in the game maybe, but right now, you all should unvote dong, and you should probably vote vonflare.

Can you give us your townreads and how you formulated them?

Thanks GL, I agree with your response actually. Focusing too much on what is and is not included in this game or what's different from last game is really just distracting us and doesn't actually do anything.

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Waiting for your responses,

GL and

flubber.

I'll just keep quoting myself until you answer then.

Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

What voting patterns? 3 out your 5 votes were on wgeurts or Counsel. Your other votes: one was on me for frankly pretty useless reasons, and then one was on Postie. What kind of reactions were you looking for, and what kind of reactions did you get? Did those reactions tell you anything?

Are you going to answer my questions?

*Jeopardy music*

Are either of you going to stop lurking and answer? We can see when you last logged in, you know.

Is everyone in this game just ignoring me?

BNL you say you have a scumlean on me because of the IC claim, then you turn around and say the IC claim doesn't determine alignment? Also, thought it was pretty obvious that my ISO up until like page 8 (which includes my post thanking vonflare for "believing me," not defending me) was clearly fooling around. I literally posted "I actually am an IC though " and then "thanks~" (unserious posts from me). What do you not like about these posts? And how does your not liking it translate into a scum lean on me? How does my shitposting translate into a scumlean?

[lilith2013]

LOL

Does he get a new power?

[lilith2013]

I don't think so, he did admit to having a neighborhood-type thread. Do you think scum!dong would have done that?

[lilith2013]

Mmm pie

[lilith2013]

Welcome back dav

[lilith2013]

So somebody roleblocked or jailed last night? Or maybe somebody is BP? Are there any other possibilities for a no-kill?

[lilith2013]

No objects came my way last night

Dav that was during the day yes? What about during night?

[lilith2013]

So somebody roleblocked or jailed last night? Or maybe somebody is BP? Are there any other possibilities for a no-kill?

I'm dumb, we might have a doctor too.

[lilith2013]

... How is that scummy? I'm trying to generate discussion.

[lilith2013]

Ah I see.

Thanks GL, I agree with your response actually. Focusing too much on what is and is not included in this game or what's different from last game is really just distracting us and doesn't actually do anything.

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

What do you mean by this? It was just me and vonflare voting her at the time.

Waiting for your responses, flubber.

I'll just keep quoting myself until you answer then.

Also this allows me to get reaction tests from other people so see how they respond to my voting patterns, before I revealed that I was really voteless.

What voting patterns? 3 out your 5 votes were on wgeurts or Counsel. Your other votes: one was on me for frankly pretty useless reasons, and then one was on Postie. What kind of reactions were you looking for, and what kind of reactions did you get? Did those reactions tell you anything?

Are you going to answer my questions?

Is there any chance any of my questions are going to be answered, ever? Also Flubber hasn't posted since about a week ago..?

[lilith2013]

Idk I feel like Shiro probably isn't town:

I was an insane cop once and my resualts ended up being sane.

How do you know your resaults are legit?

"How do you know your results are legit," not "you must either be lying or insane because I'm town."

Am I reading too much into it?

[lilith2013]

hey shos, mind telling us who your town reads were/are?

[lilith2013]

So we have masons. If one mason is scum, then does that mean the other mason is not scum? Would it ever be possible to have a scum-mason pair?

Also how did shos get a guilty on shiro if she was a godfather?

[lilith2013]

BNL - who was your lynch target?

[lilith2013]

is anyone my friend?

who are you, friend?

is anyone my friend?

who are you, friend?

What is this for..

[lilith2013]

Does anything happen if we respond?

Vonflare I'll be your friend

[lilith2013]

Basically I'm going to agree with GL here:

BNL, if you're going to assume that wgeurts chose the same setup with the masons as last game, then that also means we should assume you are a 3p/survivor because you came back from the dead, like shos, and supposedly have the ability to claim a role and then assume it, like shos. That also means we shouldn't trust vonflare to be a town desperado.

Also I think if BNL actually was lynchproof, he is no longer because we already lynched him

General theory question: are there any cop-type roles that mafia could have?

[lilith2013]

BNL if you were really town why didn't you pick something like Actor, which would at least give you the choice to hammer or not?

just.
sersasgrwer.

General theory question: are there any cop-type roles that mafia could have?

somebody please answer me?

[lilith2013]

so cop!shos does not necessarily mean town!shos

[lilith2013]

also if we have an amnesiac cop like in game 1, shos may not even be the cop and may have just received the result. it might actually make more sense for him to claim cop there, especially if he's scum, because he knows we won't lynch a claimed cop right off the bat.

[lilith2013]

Question: if GL claimed masons with Shiro, then what neighborhood thread is dong part of?

[lilith2013]

How is vonflare conftown?

I received 2 results pm's last night (one that said "it's all filthy lies"). Does that mean anything?

[lilith2013]

Why wouldn't you do it? Isn't the point of a massclaim that everyone does it?

Are we massclaiming full roles or what

[lilith2013]

Okay then. Why do you think I'm scum?

I think GL is scum, for reasons other than postie's poe.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[lilith2013]

I think the names are all some variation of "liar." I'm the Ruffian.

[lilith2013]

So.......yeah.......I'm not a cop -_-

[lilith2013]

So? Dong flipped cop and shos admitted the result on Shiro came from dong I believe. So why would you continue to think shos is a cop?

[lilith2013]

Yes and I'm still confused about how you confirmed that von is town without being a cop but whatever.

[lilith2013]

Davsto: Opportunist
Postie: Swindler
Lilith: Ruffian
GuiltyLion: Fabulist
Vonflare: Prevaricator
Shos: Hypocrite? (couldn't tell if this was a nameclaim or not)
Flubber: not yet claimed

dead people

BNL: Spinner of Yarns/Scoundrel
Shiro: Falsifier
Dong: Liar

[lilith2013]

Why the sudden unvote?

[lilith2013]

UNVOTE: GuiltyLion

[lilith2013]

Why?

[lilith2013]

Explain first please

[lilith2013]

I'm not asking because I'm going to vote flubber, I'm asking so I can try to understand your reasoning, which mainly is to help me figure out if you're town or not.

[lilith2013]

I am a pseudologist. Meaning I can target someone and have them modkilled if they lied

D2 was postie. Don't remember anything incriminating there

Today was vonflare. His claim is that he must always lie. But he hasn't been modkilled. So he didn't lie by saying he is a liar?

Where did he claim that he must always lie? His nameclaim (flavor name) was a prevaricator. I don't think that was him claiming a post restriction or role thing.

[lilith2013]

We were all name-claiming/flavor-claiming, not role-claiming.

[lilith2013]

Now that you've said that, scum is going to kill you to put the blame on me -_- especially because you have some mystery power that can confirm if people are town. That's probably the dumbest thing I've heard today.

[lilith2013]

The role Flubber claimed isn't extremely far off from last game's lie detector. More powerful, perhaps--possibly too powerful to be town?

[lilith2013]

Why would he role claim when we were all name claiming?

[lilith2013]

I guess if they really did need to fakeclaim. (Although I would have picked something a little farther away from a role that appeared last game so it was obvious wgeurts didn't create the role.)

Why would scum do that?

[lilith2013]

Don't you think wgeurts would have placed a similar post restriction on Flubber so that he couldn't speak about his role?

[lilith2013]

Oops sorry. Ignore my last post.

[lilith2013]

It was directed to Davsto, but then I remembered that his reasoning for Flubber being town was that he (Flubber) had a post restriction on saying his role. I forgot that Davsto had said that on the previous page, so my question had already been answered by the thread.

[lilith2013]

(And I did mean to post it in this thread)

Thanksgiving is today. MURICA

Happy thanksgiving!

[lilith2013]

No it's the fourth Thursday of November

[lilith2013]

@Flubber: But it's not just scum lying. It's anyone lying about anything and the lie doesn't even have to be alignment-related, and the result is that you get somebody modkilled. Not just killed.

[lilith2013]

You can still win if regular-killed. If modkilled, you are killed and turned into a neutral survivor, and since you're dead you auto-lose. At least that's how I understand it.

[lilith2013]

It's still pretty ridiculous

I have an idea. Vonflare, tell us you don't live in Canada. That should get you killed if flubber's claim is true, yeah?

[lilith2013]

I would want to hear a claim from GL before I get on board with a lynch, I think.

[lilith2013]

Nope nope nope nope

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[lilith2013]

My reasons are completely unrelated to anything Postie has said.

If you'll recall, I'm an IC. Do you think wgeurts would put two ICs in the same game and have them be the same alignment? I know I'm town. Ergo, you are probably scum.

I would really like to townread you, GL. But the chances of you being town are slim.

[lilith2013]

That's interesting, because the extra result PM I got last night would beg to differ.

[lilith2013]

Actually, the PM I got gave me your role, not your alignment. I voted you because I was fairly sure wgeurts wouldn't have made your role town, then you admitted your role was WIFOM-y so I thought that was evidence you were town and unvoted you. Then you went and claimed a role that has negative utility to town and I don't know why you'd do that unless you're scum.

[lilith2013]

My PM said that he's a role-forger, meaning he becomes whatever he claims in-thread.

[lilith2013]

That's exactly my thinking as well.

And that's L-1 on GL.

[lilith2013]

We started out with 2 scum and 2 aliens, if we are in the same setup (numbers-wise) as last game.

Shiro flipped alien. Shos was the one to out the result. Vonflare shot Shiro and revealed himself as desperado. Shiro gave the "post restriction" to Dav (and I'm townreading him). That leaves GL, Postie, or Flubber as the 2nd alien. I guess it's certainly possible wgeurts lied in my PM.

UNVOTE: GuiltyLion
while I reread this thread.

[lilith2013]

[youtube][/youtube]So dav looks town

Postie looks scummy but ew wagon speed

@flubber: I still want to know exactly what wagon formed on Postie.


@Postie: I guess I'm also pretty skeptical about so many cop-y roles in this game. Cause like, somebody had to send the role result to me, and it most likely wasn't you or shos, who also claim to have cop-y roles, plus there was Dong who was a cop. That's a lot for a 10p game.



By the way, PSA:

don't waste your night actions on me

[lilith2013]

Okay then, I'll do it this way:

I'm ascetic so it won't work.

[lilith2013]

@GL: there should be 3 scum left (1 alien and 1 of the other faction), but you only put 2 people on your reads list as scum. Who do you think the other one is? And do you have any thoughts on who is which faction?

[lilith2013]

@GL: there should be 3 scum left (1 alien and 1 of the other faction), but you only put 2 people on your reads list as scum. Who do you think the other one is? And do you have any thoughts on who is which faction?

Oops this should read "1 alien and 2 of the other faction."

Shhh shos I want to hear what GL says.

[lilith2013]

And I'm pretty sure nothing will happen if you cop me but go ahead and check.

[lilith2013]

Why wouldn't they kill you if davsto is town?

[lilith2013]

@shows - I already answered that, the role pm said we were both "guaranteed" [in quotes] to be town.

Lilith - how do you know how many scum there are? I think there's only one faction, there's only been one NK per night. I have no idea where your guess of 1-1 came from, you need to explain

I said, if we are in the same setup as last game, numbers-wise, then it's 1 and 2. And last game, one of the factions didn't have NK. So there being only one NK doesn't mean there's only one faction. Also, I feel like the default scum faction is mafia, and Shiro flipped alien, not mafia.

Shos is definitely not alien (aside from vonflare, shos is the most confirmed non-alien for outing Shiro), so why do you keep saying he's scum if you think there's only one scum faction?

[lilith2013]

GL: there was no reason for shos to out Shiro, at that point nobody would connect the two. Why would he unnecessarily reveal the other part of his faction when there wasn't even a moderate amount of suspicion on either of them? Like, once Dong revealed his role, shos could have said "keep quiet, we'll tell them tomorrow" and then killed Dong without the result being outed. Getting your traitor partner killed is just a super roundabout way and it doesn't make sense strategically.

Shos: GL is a mason (which has been confirmed). He is also a role-forger, meaning he becomes the role he claims.

[lilith2013]

Having two town-scum mason pairs makes more sense to me, a cop-cop mason pair is OP as hell

It's not a cop-cop mason pair, it's a cop-something else mason pair, and I'm pretty sure I know what the something else is.

[lilith2013]

Do you think the role result on GL was a lie?

[lilith2013]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Let's get this over with, can somebody hammer

[lilith2013]

We have 4.5 hours somebody hammer please

[lilith2013]

I wasn't lying, I actually did get that PM. So I guess wgeurts lied to me.

[lilith2013]

Postie, can you claim as promised?

[lilith2013]

Oh.. is this what my "it's all filthy lies" PM from night 2 was about??

[lilith2013]

VOTE: flubber

I want flubber to claim as well.

[lilith2013]

What message did you receive last night?

[lilith2013]

I am aligned with town

[lilith2013]

Shos, do you still think I'm scum?

How sure are you that your role includes both scum factions? Like is there some loophole whereby wgeurts could only tell you if they were alien/not-alien or werewolf/not-werewolf?

[lilith2013]

Okay. Again I ask, do you still think I might be scum?

[lilith2013]

Also I'm confused because I'm thinking Postie is town now and Flubber is scum, but I don't know if that makes any sense, going off the 2 and 2 scum factions there should be one more werewolf and one more alien. But I guess it could be different numbers from last game.

[lilith2013]

I don't know if your action will be able to confirm me because again I'm ascetic, either way you're not going to get a scum result from it.

[lilith2013]

I'm fine with a massclaim.

[lilith2013]

Now it has been

FLUBBER WE WANT A CLAIM

[lilith2013]

I don't buy it, it's too close to Postie's role

Shall we claim while it's twilight?

[lilith2013]

We should determine an order to claim in for tomorrow. either by popcorn or by dicerolling or something to that effect

[lilith2013]

Omg so done. I'm town and i will claim

[lilith2013]

As soon as you unvote me and as soon as wgeurts sends me my damn results pm because I haven't gotten one and I sent my night action in literally as soon as night started GEURTS!!1!1!!1!1!

[lilith2013]

I'm the role cop.

[lilith2013]

I lied when I said it was sent from somebody else in case I was going to get NKed for it. The GL result was my own.

[lilith2013]

Still waiting for my result from last night.

[lilith2013]

You were scumreading vonflare until after N2, where did you start townreading him?

[lilith2013]

Yeah, so why would I claim role cop if I were scum, knowing that I'd be more suspicious for it?

[lilith2013]

I fibbed by saying I wasn't the role cop and I just received the results pm. Because I didn't want to draw the NK.

[lilith2013]

Vonflare/counsel, please don't hammer me yet. I'm going to sleep and would like to say my piece once vonflare claims. Basically right now shos has to be scum for me, because I know I'm town. If shos were really the hider, then vonflare can't be scum and there's no scum left, which makes no sense (unless geurts is being a lying mod again). Therefore shos is lying.

[lilith2013]

I'm pretty sure at that point you had stated you weren't a cop but you had cop-like abilities.

[lilith2013]

Vonflare can you claim please

[lilith2013]

Great alliteration there. No other abilities?

[lilith2013]

Not necessary..? I seriously don't understand this game but whatever

VOTE: shos

[lilith2013]

SHOS

[lilith2013]

FACEPALMING SO HARD

[lilith2013]

Wait, I thought hider died if they target scum, does it matter whether they have a kill or not?

[lilith2013]

Ugh this freaking game

[lilith2013]

Gahhhhhh

[lilith2013]

Oh shit I totally forgot about the supersaint thing YAY

Mucho pre-in as well!!!

to wgeurts:
Everybody makes mistakes
Everybody has those days
Something something about being perfect
Just gotta work it

TLDR: I enjoyed the game regardless of how bad you think your modding was!

[lilith2013]

I mean, technically Ruffian was the odd one out (ruffians are fighters, not liars). Nobody noticed though!

[lilith2013]

Wait a second, when did I get a bazooka???

[lilith2013]

Yeah you picked the wrong person to hammer

I'm glad I never claimed supersaint