Blitz 18: Wedding Invitational Mafia - GAME OVER

BROseidon · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:30 am

/confirm.

BROseidon · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:34 am

Scum may get some advantage to NKing them?

Also I'm a miller.

BROseidon · Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:44 am

I'm saying that while having the bride/groom claim now has some clear benefits (not wagoning them, not giving scum an easy fakeclaim should they get wagoned, 2 ICs barring CC shenanigans), there's a fairly probable downside that we should probably weigh against that.

BROseidon · Post Post #13 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:45 am

I guess having the bride and groom not claim and then them getting quick hammered at L-1 by scum is also a pretty big risk to having them not claim.

BROseidon · Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:57 am

If we expect 4 scum max, we would want it to be L-5, which seems a little bonkers >.>

BROseidon · Post Post #16 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:57 am

I don't actually know whether 3 or 4 scum is standard for 15p games because 15p is dumb.

BROseidon · Post Post #22 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:01 am

In post 17, borkjerfkin wrote:I highly doubt there would be 4 scum with the "you automatically lose" clause we have

You're probably right? Still would have to make L-4 the claim number to be super-safe, which still feels kind of stupidly early.

Also who's your avi? He's super hot.

BROseidon · Post Post #25 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:03 am

Scum get bonus effects if bride or groom die.

Tie any PR or additional shots to the bride or groom getting NK'd.

Come to think of it, I think a bunch of us from JobPick are in this game (which had a mechanic like that).

BROseidon · Post Post #27 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:04 am

I do love me a tight end...

Okay, I'll see myself out now. I gots to do work.

BROseidon · Post Post #29 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:07 am

I lied I'm still procrastinating.

Yes, it's conjecture.

BROseidon · Post Post #32 (isolation #10) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:08 am

Like, at best, bride and groom claiming gives scum two ICs to shoot. At worst, it gives them two ICs to shoot that they also then give them bonuses.

Is the incremental gain of not potentially wagoning them up worth it, since we should definitely set precautions to prevent them from getting quick hammered. I don't think execution should be an issue here, since this is a good player list.

BROseidon · Post Post #33 (isolation #11) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:09 am

In post 30, Cabd wrote:FYI she said yes and we are engaged and thank all of you for your assistance in this unique proposal method. We love you all.

Cabd out.

Congrats, that's awesome!

BROseidon · Post Post #34 (isolation #12) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:09 am

Like, an additional benefit to delaying the bride and groom claiming is the benefit of an IC not revealing day 1 - confirmed town are more powerful the further into the game you are.

BROseidon · Post Post #44 (isolation #13) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 am

They're named townies where everyone in the game is informed that they are town.

The net result is pretty similar.

And you're right, we are weighing primarily taking away the ability for scum to fakeclaim the named townies against any potential drawbacks of them claiming. I'm not convinced it's worth it right away versus waiting a few day phases.

BROseidon · Post Post #45 (isolation #14) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 am

In post 40, Syryana wrote:
In post 25, BROseidon wrote:Scum get bonus effects if bride or groom die.

Tie any PR or additional shots to the bride or groom getting NK'd.

Come to think of it, I think a bunch of us from JobPick are in this game (which had a mechanic like that).

In post 32, BROseidon wrote:Like, at best, bride and groom claiming gives scum two ICs to shoot. At worst, it gives them two ICs to shoot that they also then give them bonuses.

No matter what "bonuses" scum may or may not get, we outright lose if either roles get lynched. Period.

Game loss > potentially harder game

It's pretty easy to prevent the auto-loss if we set up rules around how far along you can wagon people before we force a claim. This player list is competent enough to not fuck that up.

BROseidon · Post Post #57 (isolation #15) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:22 am

In post 49, Tammy wrote:Bro - why would you assume scum get something if they kill cabd/peng?

Because not having some kind of drawback or risk of drawback to them claiming makes the mechanic completely pointless. They just claim first post and never get lynched, effectively being 2 confirmed town.

That feels really dumb.

BROseidon · Post Post #62 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:23 am

In post 54, borkjerfkin wrote:In what world are these any kind of IC, activatable or otherwise

Okay. "Named townies where everyone in the game is informed of their existence."

IC is shorter to type.

BROseidon · Post Post #67 (isolation #17) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:24 am

In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 57, BROseidon wrote:Because not having some kind of drawback or risk of drawback to them claiming makes the mechanic completely pointless. They just claim first post and never get lynched, effectively being 2 confirmed town.

That feels really dumb.

and scum instantly counterclaims

And risk a cop investigation in a game where someone has already claimed miller.

3smart5me.

BROseidon · Post Post #76 (isolation #18) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:27 am

In post 69, Nachomamma8 wrote:i don't think there's a cop in the game

yeah, but would scum-you be willing to bet your survival on that?

Thinking and making a gambit where being wrong literally gets you killed are two very different things.

BROseidon · Post Post #81 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:31 am

In post 78, Syryana wrote:
In post 76, BROseidon wrote:
In post 69, Nachomamma8 wrote:i don't think there's a cop in the game

yeah, but would scum-you be willing to bet your survival on that?

Yes, because if scum-me could talk town into believing my counterclaim was true I'd win the game

Town would lynch neither until LyLo or when 1 scum is left, which gives plenty of time for investigative roles to figure out the truth.

BROseidon · Post Post #82 (isolation #20) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:31 am

In post 79, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 76, BROseidon wrote:yeah, but would scum-you be willing to bet your survival on that?

absolutely.

You have balls of steel.

Says the pansiest scum player to ever play the game >.>

BROseidon · Post Post #92 (isolation #21) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:41 am

In post 88, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 10, BROseidon wrote:Scum may get some advantage to NKing them?

Also I'm a miller.

Wait this is a lie I role copped you and got Innocent Child

That wasn't supposed to come out until I got copped N1 >:C

BROseidon · Post Post #151 (isolation #22) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:09 am

In post 95, borkjerfkin wrote:Is this like a big inside joke referral to Rachmarie's Narnia game or something?

AP's joke was a reference to that, yes.

BROseidon · Post Post #156 (isolation #23) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:10 am

In post 114, AngryPidgeon wrote:BRO should flavor claim if he hasnt.

I'm father of the groom. The role pm is pretty funny, too!

BROseidon · Post Post #157 (isolation #24) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:11 am

In post 154, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 151, BROseidon wrote:
In post 95, borkjerfkin wrote:Is this like a big inside joke referral to Rachmarie's Narnia game or something?

AP's joke was a reference to that, yes.

Was AP even in that game? I don't remember him being in it

I talked about it recently in an MD thread about townies fakeclaiming.

BROseidon · Post Post #161 (isolation #25) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:12 am

In post 133, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 82, BROseidon wrote:
In post 79, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 76, BROseidon wrote:yeah, but would scum-you be willing to bet your survival on that?

absolutely.

You have balls of steel.

Says the pansiest scum player to ever play the game >.>

BRoseidon is the serial killer guys. JacobSavage is the droids were looking for.

Infinite pedits.

Oh god this game is devolving into meta-humor

BROseidon · Post Post #162 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:13 am

In post 137, Nachomamma8 wrote:IF YOU ARE A BRIDE OR A GROOM AND YOU REACH L-3 ON DAY 1, CLAIM IMMEDIATELY
IF YOU ARE NOT A BRIDE OR A GROOM AND YOU REACH L-3 ON DAY 1, CLAIM NOT BRIDE/GROOM IMMEDIATELY
DO NOT PUSH PEOPLE PAST L-3 WITHOUT GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO DO THE THING

Not obeying that last point is grounds for auto-lynching, IMO.

BROseidon · Post Post #188 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:23 am

In post 168, Natirasha wrote:IIRC BRO's claim actually checks out...

It's really amazing b/c I'm pretty rolling Cabd's dad is the most ironic role I've ever gotten.

BROseidon · Post Post #651 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:38 pm

Guys I forgot how to mafia.

BROseidon · Post Post #652 (isolation #29) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:39 pm

Like, I'm catching up now, and the reads aren't ~coming to me~

BROseidon · Post Post #654 (isolation #30) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:43 pm

In post 255, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why is that ironic? Also thank you for claiming flavor, sort of checks out.

You'll see when role PMs are posted after the game's over.

BROseidon · Post Post #655 (isolation #31) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:43 pm

In post 653, Cephrir wrote:step 1: cephrir is town

Sure, why not.

BROseidon · Post Post #659 (isolation #32) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:47 pm

In post 285, AngryPidgeon wrote:Him downplaying his own scum game in one of his posts was interesting to me and could fit in to someone being cheeky, but I don't think thats him here.

Eh, that wasn't meant to be a downplay, more of a style-commentary. Guess the wording wasn't optimal.

BROseidon · Post Post #662 (isolation #33) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:59 pm

In post 412, AngryPidgeon wrote:Im working on sifting out my reads a bit better. Tammy is definitely towards the top of my townlist, probably BRO as well.

Oh cool. Wanna claim masons?

BROseidon · Post Post #663 (isolation #34) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:01 pm

Also reads are starting to happen again which is pretty cool

BROseidon · Post Post #664 (isolation #35) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:04 pm

Guys if GM is scum then Mala is like 95% chance scum.

It's pretty cool.

BROseidon · Post Post #667 (isolation #36) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:12 pm

In post 586, Empire wrote:Yeah, the blatant "I don't give a fuck" attitude is something I like but I have no idea if this is just a symptom of GIF the player rather than the alignment.

The answer to this is that if GiF were scum you wouldn't be having this conversation because you'd have forgotten that GiF is in the game.

BROseidon · Post Post #670 (isolation #37) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:18 pm

Cool I'm caught up now.

Not lynching in {AP, Tammy, NS, GiF, Pie}

Would prefer lynching in GM and Mala

This game is feeling a little too easy/circlejerky, though, which makes me uncomfortable.

BROseidon · Post Post #679 (isolation #38) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:47 am

VOTE: mala

BROseidon · Post Post #706 (isolation #39) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:48 am

Cool then support a Mala lynch.

BROseidon · Post Post #708 (isolation #40) » Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:57 am

My success rate of reading Mala is 100%!

The other times she's been scum, I've voted her almost instantly!

BROseidon · Post Post #1051 (isolation #41) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Let me finish this arena run first

BROseidon · Post Post #1052 (isolation #42) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Also fuck going first as Rogue.

BROseidon · Post Post #1057 (isolation #43) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:57 pm

Ugh I hate Rogue.

Also why the fuck is Target Dummy a rare.

BROseidon · Post Post #1060 (isolation #44) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:59 pm

In post 808, Malakittens wrote:AP was a naked vote almost,
BRO was a naked vote,
Cephrir's vote was naked along with Gif's/Mara's. It kinda comes off odd considering we had maaaybe Empire/Tammy as possibly reading me as scum. So I'm pretty sure that there has to be a scum or two hopping onto this train.

In post 670, BROseidon wrote:Cool I'm caught up now.

Not lynching in {AP, Tammy, NS, GiF, Pie}

Would prefer lynching in GM and Mala

This game is feeling a little too easy/circlejerky, though, which makes me uncomfortable.

In post 679, BROseidon wrote:VOTE: mala

VOTE: Mala

BROseidon · Post Post #1065 (isolation #45) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:02 pm

That gif is the gayest thing I've seen in a long time.

And this is coming from

me

. I spent a happy hour and a brunch with Dartmouth gays, soccer with my gay soccer bros, and went to see Alaska Thunderfuck 5000.

BROseidon · Post Post #1067 (isolation #46) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:03 pm

In post 1063, Malakittens wrote:Yep cute BRO cute.

Remind me how saying you wouldn't mind lynching GM/I and not giving reasons isn't a naked vote...?

Because I said I would before I voted!

Also I posted about how you totes chainsawed for GM against nacho before either of those posts (although I don't think that post was really obvious that that was what it was about)

BROseidon · Post Post #1069 (isolation #47) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:04 pm

I kind of want to lynch nacho to get his avatar out of the game.

Holy fuck that thing is creepy.

BROseidon · Post Post #1073 (isolation #48) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:07 pm

In post 465, Malakittens wrote:
In post 450, Empire wrote:Mala, how closely have you been reading this game so far?

(going to run a couple of errands and then do a full reread)

Pretty caught up, even with the current posts, why?

Also I'm not liking Nacho so if anyone can shed insight on if this is town game and why please do!

VOTE: Nacho

Also Tammeh, I don't get you. You don't like people townreading that post; you don't like them scum reading the post.

plus besides that post I'm pretty null on you.

This was shortly after Nacho started pressing GM.

BROseidon · Post Post #1078 (isolation #49) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:12 pm

Guys I'm really confused about why Bork died.

BROseidon · Post Post #1079 (isolation #50) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:15 pm

I'm still fine playing around the Bride/Groom during day phase to keep them hidden for longer, fwiw. I think I'm gonna get outvoted here, though >:C

BROseidon · Post Post #1092 (isolation #51) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:26 pm

Dude at least it's not DC metro.

BROseidon · Post Post #1109 (isolation #52) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:54 pm

BROseidon · Post Post #1130 (isolation #53) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:31 pm

Fuck Oregon.

BROseidon · Post Post #1131 (isolation #54) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:31 pm

My family is a Trojan family.

BROseidon · Post Post #1139 (isolation #55) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:43 pm

Mala doesn't bus.

She's been tunneled/focused on NS all game. Mala scum strongly implies NS town.

BROseidon · Post Post #1153 (isolation #56) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:59 pm

In post 1149, Cephrir wrote:Unless you're a gladiator, it's not gonna happen

Also I policy lynch gladiators that use their power.

BROseidon · Post Post #1161 (isolation #57) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:18 pm

Mala should probably claim groom/bride or not groom/bride

UNVOTE: Mala

BROseidon · Post Post #1178 (isolation #58) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:18 am

Guys I really think GiF is town.

BROseidon · Post Post #1179 (isolation #59) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:18 am

Like, maybe I'm horribly wrong, but it feels like way too many people are remembering to talk about him for him to be scum.

BROseidon · Post Post #1191 (isolation #60) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:18 am

I'm waiting for a claim of groom-bride/not groom-bride from mala.

BROseidon · Post Post #1192 (isolation #61) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:19 am

Unless she isn't at like L-3 anymore.

BROseidon · Post Post #1193 (isolation #62) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:19 am

In which case I'll gladly park my vote there again.

BROseidon · Post Post #1195 (isolation #63) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:29 am

I guess she's sort of implied it in her posts, but I can't find an explicit claim. Maybe I'm dumb.

BROseidon · Post Post #1209 (isolation #64) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:56 am

In post 1058, Malakittens wrote:Idk I really still want to call macho town. I'm not sure if scum him would CC syr like that and then claim a no result.

I'm trying to decide whether this as the day opening re: nacho makes sense with not targeting nacho with a motivate despite him being a claimed PR.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:58 am

"Once is a coincidence, but twice is a hobby." -Willam Belli.

BROseidon · Post Post #1280 (isolation #66) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:30 pm

I think Mala's sort of town now.

Ugh, I used to be good at this game >:C

BROseidon · Post Post #1312 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:55 am

Well this game just got gayer.

#yassssssssssss

BROseidon · Post Post #1463 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:39 am

So what I've gotten from skimming the past few pages is that we should lynch Pie.

Will try to actually read shit b/w work and soccer.

BROseidon · Post Post #1476 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:45 am

Guys, do i get to be cool for claiming first?

BROseidon · Post Post #1477 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:46 am

Like, everyone is following my lead.

BROseidon · Post Post #1503 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:06 am

In post 1500, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1498, Ms Marangal wrote:I don't wanna lynch gm

i don't have any confidence in you as a scumhunter

rekt

BROseidon · Post Post #1523 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:48 am

Didn't Bork flip VT?

BROseidon · Post Post #1540 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:23 am

Normally there's only 1 maid of honor at a wedding, though.

BROseidon · Post Post #1549 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:44 am

Marquis's town.

Pie could use rope, unless we really want to think there are 2 bodyguards in this game.

BROseidon · Post Post #1553 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:58 am

In post 1550, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1549, BROseidon wrote:s's

It's correct!

BROseidon · Post Post #1733 (isolation #76) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:10 am

In post 1731, pieguyn wrote:still feel relatively sure one scum is in {BRO, noddy}.

In what universe can you construct a group out of me and ns?

BROseidon · Post Post #1735 (isolation #77) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:18 am

Okay, but that group makes no sense to begin with.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 1784, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1783, AngryPidgeon wrote:Her ISO is wayyyyy too confident to be scum. And I don't mean that as a dig on Mala's scumgame, I mean that shes got some of that good town don't-give-a-shit going on.

Mala tends to play a stronger scumgame when she has scumbuddies that she enjoys.
She counterclaimed a vigilante as a gladiator and got away with it last time we played scum together.

In all fairness, town was almost trying to lose that game.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:57 pm

In post 1786, notscience wrote:I clearly killed two people townreading me rather than fearkill nacho and pie

Because that's how I use my scumkills

I kind of think this post is a townslip, but thinking that also requires serious bm of ns's intelligence.

Which I'm actually completely okay doing!

BROseidon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:59 pm

In post 1817, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1814, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1784, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1783, AngryPidgeon wrote:Her ISO is wayyyyy too confident to be scum. And I don't mean that as a dig on Mala's scumgame, I mean that shes got some of that good town don't-give-a-shit going on.

Mala tends to play a stronger scumgame when she has scumbuddies that she enjoys.
She counterclaimed a vigilante as a gladiator and got away with it last time we played scum together.

In all fairness, town was almost trying to lose that game.

The point is that it was an incredibly ballsy move against some big name players. I don't think she's just a mild, meek scum player like Glenn seems to.

It wasn't that ballsy move in context.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:59 pm

I'm also super dubious of this whole "double bg" thing.

BROseidon · Post Post #1829 (isolation #82) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:03 pm

In post 1822, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1816, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1786, notscience wrote:I clearly killed two people townreading me rather than fearkill nacho and pie

Because that's how I use my scumkills

I kind of think this post is a townslip, but thinking that also requires serious bm of ns's intelligence.

Which I'm actually completely okay doing!

you're right that it's a savvy move if the scumteam didn't shoot marquis
i'm not completely convinced the scumteam didn't shoot marquis

That would be a very stupid kill, imo.

BROseidon · Post Post #1830 (isolation #83) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:04 pm

In post 1825, Nachomamma8 wrote:BRO do you suddenly think that Mala is town?

I pulled off of her yesterday after her claim, so I'm confused why you're using "suddenly" here.

I kind of eh on her at this point. Like, I wouldn't mind a lynch on her, but it doesn't ~excite~ me.

BROseidon · Post Post #1836 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:06 pm

In post 1832, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1830, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1825, Nachomamma8 wrote:BRO do you suddenly think that Mala is town?

I pulled off of her yesterday after her claim, so I'm confused why you're using "suddenly" here.

I kind of eh on her at this point. Like, I wouldn't mind a lynch on her, but it doesn't ~excite~ me.

What excites you?

Nobody :/

Pie should sort itself over the next few dayphases, and other than that I don't feel particularly strongly about anything.

BROseidon · Post Post #1837 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:06 pm

In post 1834, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1830, BROseidon wrote:I kind of eh on her at this point. Like, I wouldn't mind a lynch on her, but it doesn't ~excite~ me.

A lot of people said this about GM!

I was in that boat!

I think it's largely a symptom of me not having played in over 6 months.

BROseidon · Post Post #1839 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:06 pm

Eh fuck it.

VOTE: Mala

BROseidon · Post Post #1859 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:32 pm

#getdrunk.

Getting drunk with AP during pride is still one of the worst hangovers I've bad

BROseidon · Post Post #1958 (isolation #88) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:35 am

Oh I got prodded.

BROseidon · Post Post #1960 (isolation #89) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:41 am

In post 1925, Nachomamma8 wrote:well they're pretty crap "hey, i kinda forgot about these guys, maybe I should re-read them" reads

In post 1949, Malakittens wrote:MaLa is just really busy

MaLa can't stand that half the game is going the easy way out

And nacho enjoy your two actions next night!

This almost makes me want to not lynch mala but having 2 "I think they're scum but they'll sort themselves out" is p. dumb.

BROseidon · Post Post #1961 (isolation #90) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:42 am

In post 1959, Natirasha wrote:AP you feel like scum desperately trying to keep your lynch options open in the future.

BROseidon · Post Post #1962 (isolation #91) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:43 am

Okay VOTE: Natirasha

BROseidon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:23 pm

In post 1972, AngryPidgeon wrote:Only one person is voting Nati for that post.

But really I dont see that one post as a pivotal reason to vote or not vote Nati. I see Nati's ISO as a great reason to vote Nati.

I think it's indicative of someone who's blatantly not reading the thread.

BROseidon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:37 pm

In post 1977, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1974, BROseidon wrote:
In post 1972, AngryPidgeon wrote:Only one person is voting Nati for that post.

But really I dont see that one post as a pivotal reason to vote or not vote Nati. I see Nati's ISO as a great reason to vote Nati.

I think it's indicative of someone who's blatantly not reading the thread.

and why is this worthy of a vote?

b/c my limited experience with scum-nati involved a lot of her not reading the thread.

BROseidon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:49 pm

In post 1981, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1978, BROseidon wrote:b/c my limited experience with scum-nati involved a lot of her not reading the thread.

You were in that Street Racers, weren't you? As a hydra with PA? The one where Nati fakeclaimed being a gunsmith or something?

Yes. I'm the asshole who did like half the work that game.

BROseidon · Post Post #1993 (isolation #95) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:31 am

In post 156, BROseidon wrote:
In post 114, AngryPidgeon wrote:BRO should flavor claim if he hasnt.

I'm father of the groom. The role pm is pretty funny, too!

#readingisfundamental

BROseidon · Post Post #1996 (isolation #96) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:17 am

In post 1994, Cephrir wrote:i guess i was hoping for why that makes you a miller, im sure anyone could explain why their own father should be a miller but stil

It's because Cabd's dad is a bigoted, angry man

BROseidon · Post Post #2006 (isolation #97) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:35 am

AP, it's all about

spearow face.

BROseidon · Post Post #2007 (isolation #98) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:36 am

In post 2006, BROseidon wrote:AP, it's all about
spearow face.

Err, sparrow >.>

BROseidon · Post Post #2009 (isolation #99) » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:48 am

He's really cute.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:49 am

Maybe photoshop the face on your current avi?

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:14 pm

In post 2017, AngryPidgeon wrote:Its definitely weird but I was in Cabd's Tales of You game and this is still less weird that that one.

Oh fuck that game.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:20 pm

fuck it VOTE: mala

I want my vanity wagon back

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:05 pm

We also still don't have a cop, so as of now I'm just a miller that doesnt do anything.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:07 pm

In post 2037, pieguyn wrote:I think the scum team is noddy and BRO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO THAT???????????

lolno

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:07 pm

eh fuck it VOTE: ns

Let's get someone lynched already.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:06 pm

I mean, I'd town-read me on the miller claim alone!

Also I've done absolutely nothing this game, which I'm pretty sure I've never managed to do as scum (other than BSG >.>)

BROseidon · Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:49 am

VOTE: mala

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:34 am

VOTE: pie

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:18 am

Troll nacho is best nacho.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:19 am

Seriously though that avi + the trolliness this game is perfect.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:44 am

You can't have half of 3 with only integers.

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:51 am

Yes, but it's not half

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:29 pm

This game is boring

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:29 pm

Nobody's here to playyyyyyyyyyyyy

BROseidon · Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:11 pm

I'm having flashbacks to my newbie game back when I was a wee lad

BROseidon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:15 am

We're mass claiming today.

Also, I wasn't moving my vote off of Pie yesterday. The double-BG + two days in a row actively trying to derail a lynch on scum was pretty damn condemning to me.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:12 am

Nobody's talked about Empire in a while. I keep forgetting that he's in this game.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:35 am

Also I don't want mass claim. Changed my mind after thinking about it in the shower.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:50 am

In post 2181, Cephrir wrote:Also when considering the setup, bro's role isn't actually negative utility without a cop? unless he's one of those BS supermillers

My pm doesn't make it seem that way.

BROseidon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:47 pm

I don't think I actually count as negative utility unless we actually have a cop. My PM doesn't make me seem like a universal miller.

BROseidon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:28 pm

The concern that I have is that mass claim favors scum in terms of "why did nobody die last night."

If scum NK'd, they can try to manipulate that with a protective fakeclaim
If scum had their kill blocked, mass claim makes it easier to figure out why.

BROseidon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:29 pm

In post 2188, AngryPidgeon wrote:Can anyone explain why Natirasha is town?

VOTE: nachoe

I'm starting to get Tales of You vibes out of ns/nacho at this point.

BROseidon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:30 pm

also god damn quotes sticking around.

I would also like AP's question answered. I also want equivalent answers about Ceph and Empire, if possible.

BROseidon · Thu Dec 31, 2015 7:45 am

Well that wasn't necessary >.>

BROseidon · Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:40 am

v/la through sunday

BROseidon · Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:52 am

VOTE: ns

You guys are the worst

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:36 am

I'm still a miller.

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:37 am

Also, how do you know this is lylo?

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:16 am

Yesterday should make it clear which of those I think to be the case.

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:58 am

You can't have gotten blocked unless there are 4 scum, though.

It may be Pareto-optimal not to lynch nacho today, but I don't trust you all to understand the math behind why.

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:59 am

Also rereading this game on mobile is gonna suckkkkkkkkkk

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:03 am

In post 2330, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2328, BROseidon wrote:You can't have gotten blocked unless there are 4 scum, though.

this isn't true!

Nothing in the bride/groom pm said anything about the bp being x-shot.

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:12 am

In post 2336, Cephrir wrote:ay, there's the rub

On why it may not be optimal to lynch nacho today:

If there are 3 scum, nacho is confirmed scum. Therefore, in a 3p lylo, he should be auto-lynched.

If there are 4 scum, nacho can still be town.

Basically, lynching nacho today if there are only 3 scum is the same as doing it tomorrow. If there are 4 scum, nacho can still be scum, but I'm not sure if he's the most likely (I want to reread the game)

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:13 am

Although the way nacho is starting to troll kind of makes me think he's just scum.

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:15 am

Oh wait the bp went away.

Why the fuck did they reveal?

BROseidon · Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:16 am

Whatever, ugh, I'll just reread the fucking game.

BROseidon · Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:02 am

Ugh blitz games.

Being relegated to phone kind of sucks. Maybe can use my bf's laptop tonight to do the full-read

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:08 am

So I went to dinner with my bf then collapsed from exhaustion last night :/

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:10 am

Also the explanation to how mala treated me probably was her trying to appease me because I've correctly pegged her as scum 100% of the times she's been scum in games I've been in. That + pretty much everyone townreading me early for the miller claim didn't really give her a viable option to push back.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:33 am

Probably because there aren't 2 scum left.

We would need wayyyyyyyyyyy more power.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:32 am

I kind of think they were forced to reveal.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:33 am

Strongman theory doesn't make sense b/c why wouldn't they have been strong manned the first time?

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:33 am

Also I don't think Mara is that dumb.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:13 am

In post 2454, Cephrir wrote:Forced by what?

Getting shot, maybe?

Revealing willingly makes 0 sense unless you want to call Mara a complete idiot.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:14 am

They'd already softed, everyone was on board, there was no cc.

Something doesn't add up there.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:21 am

Maybe I'm giving Mara too much benefit of the doubt here.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:21 am

But, like, the level of stupid required

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:40 am

In post 2471, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2468, BROseidon wrote:Maybe I'm giving Mara too much benefit of the doubt here.

Are you pursuing this line of thought for a reason, or...?

There's nowhere to push it.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:41 am

This spec doesn't help find scum.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:22 am

In post 2478, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2446, BROseidon wrote:Also the explanation to how mala treated me probably was her trying to appease me because I've correctly pegged her as scum 100% of the times she's been scum in games I've been in. That + pretty much everyone townreading me early for the miller claim didn't really give her a viable option to push back.

link

This doesn't make sense based on her behavior towards pie in the game; when she was trying to get someone to stop pushing her as scum (aka appease them), she interacted a lot with her aggressor, she attacked her aggressor, etc; her interactions with you seem pretty minimal which goes against Mala's normal behavior when threatened as scum.

Okay, but does pie have the same history with mala that I do? No? Cool.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:23 am

There's also the fact that I basically vote-parked mala and didn't really give her a chance to interact with me

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:25 am

Maybe the newbie way back when?

Her MO has otherwise been to try to get me mislynched

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:26 am

Xenogear and wicked she went after me, but those were also games where those were safe plays to make

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:26 am

VOTE: nacho

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:28 am

Not really. She did try to engage me at one point and i basically ignored her

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:30 am

The part that feels disingenuous about your push is that you've played with scum-me with daytalk, so you know how calculating and safe my scum play is. It's like you're looking for reasons to call me scum via Mala's play, while not looking at the features of my play.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:30 am

I kind of think pie was right at this point.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:32 am

No, I'm saying that you're not looking at aspects of my play this game that should fairly obviously point to town-me, especially given how closely you've seen my scum game

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:34 am

That and the fact that I've done basically nothing this game.

You know now far ahead I plan as scum.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:35 am

In post 2498, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh, or bussing GM and Mala?
remember how I had to appeal to old-BRO to get you on the Mala wagon after GM was lynched and after you said they were 95% scum together? I remember that.

I already had them both as scum at that point. Other than a brief foray onto ns to prevent a no-lynch (that thankfully wasn't necessary), I was on mala the whole time

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:36 am

Like, yeah, I was unsure there...
Wait...

UNVOTE: nacho

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:37 am

I get what you're saying now.

VOTE: empire

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:42 am

In post 2505, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2496, BROseidon wrote:No, I'm saying that you're not looking at aspects of my play this game that should fairly obviously point to town-me, especially given how closely you've seen my scum game

why did this line of thought disappear?

It didn't, but the way in which you pushed me back onto mala when I was doubting myself is a compelling counter-narrative

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:53 am

Bsg was a pretty blatantly rigged setup. It's kind of a crap game to use on me for any meta reasons

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:54 am

The hiatus argument isn't terrible, although you could just as easily conjecture the other way (that id be super excited to play scum again)

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:54 am

In post 2511, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2509, BROseidon wrote:Bsg was a pretty blatantly rigged setup. It's kind of a crap game to use on me for any meta reasons

This is a blatantly rigged setup.

Not really? And there wasn't a public cop

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:04 am

In post 2510, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2507, Nachomamma8 wrote:From a scum-me perspective, early Day 1 I was in a fantastic position. Mala and GM were in not so fantastic positions.
That is a place where I bus.

And if you'd like me to back this up, I'll expand and back up that philosophy for you:

When your partners are in equal standing (all scummy or all relatively town), you have more options; if you are all scummy, you can't really make your position much worse by doing something crazy and if you're all town, it's not very likely that it's all gonna change in a matter of two pages or so. When you are in a much better position than your scumpartners, that's the time to consolidate towncred and strengthen your position so you can go deep.

You can check out Katsuki's Blitz game, how I interacted with Spiffeh; early on I encouraged him not to bus when we were both in pretty bad positions. Then, my position improved and his worsened, so I started to bus in preparation for a deep run with kanye.

I'm bringing this up because you understand my scum mindset better than most, and you should probably know that clearing me because I encouraged you to go back to a correct scumread is bleh. If you feel I should be reading you as town here, prove it to me: right now, it feels like you're trying to sell that "low impact = town" and I don't actually believe that for any player.

This is... Not how I've ever really thought about playing scum.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:05 am

Like, I know you're fine with bussing, but the way in which you made the appeal personal when you could have half-assed it and had other options seems weird if you're scum.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:44 pm

In post 2526, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2523, Nachomamma8 wrote:where are you sitting now, cephrir?

I'm not sure. Bro isn't being particularly inspiring in response to your pressure. I guess I'm willing to give that a shot.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:47 pm

I've been pretty town all game.

Also Pie has a perfect rate of reading me and was calling me town all game!

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:48 pm

Also AP.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:49 pm

There is no universe in which scum-me claims miller at the start of the game w/o lurking to make sure nobody else opens with a miller claim.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:49 pm

(Also, having a computer to post on is super nice. I can have thoughts again!)

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:54 pm

I think the big compelling things as to why I'm town are:

1) The miller claim on page 1 before anyone else had made any real content post (other than bork) is super, super high risk. I take calculated risks as scum. My miller claim in BSG was b/c town straight-up had inevitability with the cop mechanic, so I needed to do *something* to try to disrupt it, but even then I held the claim to make sure nobody else would claim miller.

2) Until the Pie lynch, my vote was on scum basically 100% of the time. The only time it wasn't was when I briefly jumped onto NS because we were close to deadline and the momentum seemed to be there, but as soon as ns and I think tammy voted for Mala I was immediately back on board with Mala.

3) Scum-me would have railroaded Mala much harder to keep the role cop alive an extra night if I felt that both needed to be hard-bussed

4) There is no universe in which I hard-bus my entire scum team.

5) Even in games where my scum buddies have started out in very weak positions, I've blown town-cred trying to delay their lynches (Attack on Titan is most notable here). I don't go for the jugular on a bus at the onset of the game.

6) Basically, to accept that I'm scum this game, you have to think that I would make a ton of super high risk plays that are out of character, considering that I'm probably one of the safest scum players on site.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 2544, Empire wrote:
In post 2540, Nachomamma8 wrote:i hate scum who leave me alive

With every IRL day that passes in this game, I envy bork more and more.

Speaking of which, I'm ISOing him now to see if I can figure out why the fuck he was shot N1!

I LOVE HAVING A COMPUTER SO MUCH AGAIN WHEEEEEEEEEE

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:06 pm

Wow, uh, bork was scum reading both the bride and groom pretty late into day 1...

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:08 pm

Also Bork's ISO seems to indicate that he was shot:

1) Because Empire is scum (he had everyone else who's still alive in his "will not lynch" pile pretty solidly)
2) Trying to hit a PR (not sure why scum would have thought that)
3) Trying to hit a universal townread that wasn't Tammy (under some sort of assumption that Tammy would have protection, maybe?)

Also there was a place in the ISO where Bork pointed out something to AP that was actually a bride/groom slip, which in retrospect is kind of funny.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:12 pm

In post 2557, Empire wrote:
In post 2556, BROseidon wrote:Also there was a place in the ISO where Bork pointed out something to AP that was actually a bride/groom slip, which in retrospect is kind of funny.

Wait, hold up. Where is this again?

In post 697, borkjerfkin wrote:
In post 660, AngryPidgeon wrote:Nati is drifting to the null end of my reads.
I'm less certain of you, but that may also be influenced by Mara's opinion.
I did like this post of yours.

Mara hasn't actually said anything of substance about me.
'A stronger opening' in a bubble means nothing and doesn't really address what is wrong with what I did open with. I'm not impressed with that sentiment from her as it stands sans any real explanation, and I'm gonna get to engaging her on that as long as she's willing to play ball with me, but I'm even less impressed with your pseudo-sheeping of that point considering 1) there
isn't
really a point being made and 2) you've said nothing positive about Mara up until this point which should incline you do really empathize with her sentiment in a bubble

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:13 pm

Also if Marquis were shot directly instead of dying protecting someone then that shot is very likely from Empire.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:20 pm

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BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:21 pm

fuuuuu

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 2572, Cephrir wrote:is bussing people who are screwed already really that exciting and high-risk a play?

Mala wasn't really that screwed, at least not that immediately. And buying an extra day or two of survival as scum can carry you to endgame.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 2575, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2571, Cephrir wrote:@miller thing: could be a fakeclaim, don't care about it. also would we even autolynch in two millers in a cabd game? i wouldn't

this is true

I would auto-lynch. This is also why I hate cabd setups >.>

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:23 pm

The dead thread probably hates us.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:23 pm

And yeah, Cabd is the worst.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:24 pm

In post 2584, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2552, Nachomamma8 wrote:no you wouldn't have, you don't have the chutzpah

outside of you, i don't think any of us do.

"Today I will turn this game into a coin flip (that will turn out to screw me over b/c the bride and groom are actually ICs)"

Yeah I'm never gonna make that choice.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:27 pm

In post 2589, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2556, BROseidon wrote:Also Bork's ISO seems to indicate that he was shot:

1) Because Empire is scum (he had everyone else who's still alive in his "will not lynch" pile pretty solidly)
2) Trying to hit a PR (not sure why scum would have thought that)
3) Trying to hit a universal townread that wasn't Tammy (under some sort of assumption that Tammy would have protection, maybe?)

Also there was a place in the ISO where Bork pointed out something to AP that was actually a bride/groom slip, which in retrospect is kind of funny.

Is there any reason someone would choose not to kill Tammy,then change their mind and kill her later?

Eh, it doesn't really matter when scum kills Tammy, so long as they don't let her survive until endgame.

Like, I expect a Tammy kill to always happen at some point during a game (unless she's scum or town just roll scum), but I don't necessarily expect it to be early. The weird thing with the Bork kill is that if it was a "kill a universal townread" kill, Tammy would have been a better choice, which makes me think there was more to it.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:29 pm

In post 2599, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2583, BROseidon wrote:The dead thread probably hates us.

The alive thread hates us.

#truefactsaboutthemafiascummers.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 2606, Empire wrote:Holy shit, Nati's ISO so far is so devoid of content, it's almost like a postmodern work of art.

P-edit: get wrecked, fucker

White painting say what now?

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:33 pm

I kind of want to go read invisible inc b/c iirc nati was scum there and survived a very long time.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:34 pm

In post 2612, Nachomamma8 wrote:so i've officially doubted everyone except cephrir today
which means that cephrir is scum.

lol, so I'm not the only one.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:34 pm

In post 2613, BROseidon wrote:I kind of want to go read invisible inc b/c iirc nati was scum there and survived a very long time.

Wait no Nati was town that game and just as useless

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:39 pm

I've never really been sold on Nati-town. When I threw out Nati-scum as an idea a few days ago, everyone except AP was like "fuck no."

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:40 pm

Still think I like Empire more right now, though, but I really should be posting from Waffle House at this point.

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:54 pm

In post 2646, Nachomamma8 wrote:bro, empire, keep talking.

empire, don't you have things to say to nati now that she's here?

I'm eating dinner and watching Worst Cooks in America with my bf.

This maybe isn't a great combination...

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:04 pm

In post 2666, Nachomamma8 wrote:so imma lynch bro
sorry bro

At least I don't have to be around for the shitfest of LyLo if you get your way?

Silver linings and all!

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:12 pm

What if I promised cookies?

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:12 pm

I need to learn how to bake anyways!

BROseidon · Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:13 pm

If I had to give Scum->Town right now it would be Empire->Nacho->Nati->Ceph.