Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Squirrelly]

Also 2 scum reads and even with PC town she still going after the same person, please, she's scum and should be lynched

[AlwaysInnocent]

Having re-read some of Wanderer's posts, it seems indeed likely that she is scum. However, the fact that Albert B. is lurking should not be forgotten.

UNVOTE: Albert B.

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

[AlwaysInnocent]

Read List D2 V1

Squirrelly

: seems genuine and actively scumhunting

Ranger

: throws around random reads, without explanation, and then disappeared

Yakko

: might be deflecting from Wanderer if he is her scum buddy

Firebringer

: lurking

Flubbernugget

: null

Titus

: PR claim + specific claim to have jailed Squirrelly

Errantparabola

: seemed like he was actively scumhunting after all, so leans town

AlwaysInnocent

: very smart guy, obviously town

Albert B. Rampage

: heavily lurking

ZZZX

: null (lurking? dunno)

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie

: apparently PR claim (need to read more to be sure)

wanderer-nl

: attacks me for no reason, writes a hard-to-read wall of comments and keeps going with it, even though she was proven wrong about Phantom

TheDominator37

: lurking?

Texcat

: no particular reason to suspect her yet, so null

Note that I have 6 people as scum. This does not seem unlikely to be true. It is a multi-ball game after all, and in these games the

scum : town ratio

is higher than usual (4:16).

[AlwaysInnocent]

Sorry, I meant the usual ratio is 4:12 (with a total of 16 players).

[ZZZX]

Caught up to yesterday. Tonight Ior tomorrow morning a full readlist shall emetrge

[texcat]

Farside Always Innocent and I are confirmed town.

I missed something. But that's Ok, just tell me how confident you are in these reads.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Errant

[AlwaysInnocent]

Why Errant?

[Flubbernugget]

B's question dodge in 409 is ew.

Squirly not catching on to Titus's claim comes off as playing dumb

[Flubbernugget]

I may or may not have skimmed the Titus v Squirelly. My understanding of it was a misunderstanding on titus' part. What misunderstanding I am not entirely sure. Whatever. Titus is dumbtelling right? What does that mean again? I'll go look on the wiki.


VOTE: texcat

I don't remeber them commiting to anything nor having any gamesolvey posts.

What is the case on wanderer?

Nobody is dumb telling

I don't like how uncommitted this post is to what just happened

[Flubbernugget]

Anyway.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

For lurking.

Might change my vote to Wanderer later, but I do not feel like joining another wagon too soon, given that it ended up being a mislynch last time. I don't trust her, though.

D1 is almost always a mislynch

What's the problem here?

[AlwaysInnocent]

B's question dodge in 409 is ew.

Squirly not catching on to Titus's claim comes off as playing dumb

Bebop:

I still have squirrely as town stronger than anyone else in this thread.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Bebop is pretty much confirmed town (or else he is in some deep shit later because scum gambits are generally sub-optimal).

[Flubbernugget]

Considering this game is multiball (I missed where that came from but it's being stated and unchallenged so I'm going with it) Titus's play right out of the gate makes sense. I missed the crumb as well so I'm not huge on saying Titus fakeclaimed rn.

VOTE: Yakko

The discussion between the two was right to the point. It wasn't ate Laden and pedantic like most 1v1 is. Waffling on it comes off as scum fearing a potential for two conftown and not knowing what to do with it.

[Flubbernugget]

I admittedly never fully caught up to d1 so I probably missed whatever is close to clearing Mr B.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Considering this game is multiball (I missed where that came from but it's being stated and unchallenged so I'm going with it) Titus's play right out of the gate makes sense. I missed the crumb as well so I'm not huge on saying Titus fakeclaimed rn.

VOTE: Yakko

The discussion between the two was right to the point. It wasn't ate Laden and pedantic like most 1v1 is. Waffling on it comes off as scum fearing a potential for two conftown and not knowing what to do with it.

Yes. Multi-ball is confirmed by the mod (see rules).

[AlwaysInnocent]

Flubber, why not Wanderer?

[pisskop]

Votecount 2.01

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wanderer-nl

- (3) Squirrelly, Titus, AlwaysInnocent

AlwaysInnocent

- (1) wanderer-nl

Errant Parabola

- (1) texcat

Hi Im Yakko

- (1) Flubbernugget

texcat

- (1) Hi Im Yakko

Not Voting:

BeBopAReBop, Ranger, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, TheDominator37, ErrantParabola, ZZZX

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With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 15DEC15, (expired on 2015-12-15 20:30:00)

Firebringer is v/la until Wensday

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber, why not Wanderer?

Why not Yakko?

What's the case on wanderer?

[AlwaysInnocent]

The case against

Wanderer

Did my first read-through (implying there will be another.. There will be but later, not this phase anymore)
Early townreads on

Squirrelly

and

Yakko

, scumleans on

Always

and

Dom

. I agree Dom is an easy target so with this many people around I'm ok to give him the blind eye for now.
My biggest scumread right now is

Phantom

. The reasons have already been mentioned, he seems to be more focussed on defending himself than actually scumhunting. For some players that actually can be a way to find scum, because the only alignment you can (usually and as town mostly) be sure of is your own, and having others explain their scumreads on you while you are town (or vice versa in multiball) can actually help one find out how full of bleep someone is. But he also started that bw on Firebringer while the guy hadn't even posted yet, and that's fine because those early wagons can be a nest of good info. Except Phantom didn't do anything with it. He didn't comment on anyone who voted, his reads that came after the wagon were nowhere based on the wagon he started except maybe his scumread on Firebringer, which he already seems to have forgotten about (which could be due to the meds @Phantom: maybe some clarity in how the meds affected your play would help us read you if it's not too forward for me to ask this.)

Imagine a vote on Phantom here. I'm going to bed soon and will actually put the format down after I wake up.

This was still on D1, when the wagon on Phantom was just starting to roll.

She was basically lurking until that point. Then she suddenly came up with that post, with really little evidence. But it gives the impression that she is actively scumhunting. Why was she townreading Yakko? Or Squirrelly? On what basis? Yakko hardly posted anything until that point. It just seems so random. Why was she scumreading me and Dom? Not sure, but what she says about Dom is telling: she admitted that Dom was an easy target and that she was OK with giving him a blind eye. Weird. Why was he an easy target anyway? He was not really a target at all at that point. It almost seems like she is accusing and defending him at the same time.

The reasons she gave for

Phantom

, who we know was a VT, were weak.

Then she came up with this "analysis" of my posts on D1 (my replies are in bold):

As promised, AlwaysInnocent:
81 'correctly townreading me' rubs me the wrong way.

Annoying perhaps, but not alignment indicative.

82 and 84 feel like he's trying to find out if it's a good idea to jump the wagon, but if he really wanted to find out the motivations behind the votes on Firebringer he could have directed his questions more directly instead of keeping it general. I'm hoping that thing about the wine was just a joke (in that case, I agree)
The next posts don't really look bad to me, he seems to be really trying to find out Ranger's motivation.

So she thinks I was being too general with my questioning of the Firebringer wagon. Entirely meaningless. It makes sense to ask general questions when you are not sure who to ask specifically. And yes, I was trying to find out Ranger's motivation, but she didn't give any.

117 the way he calls himself town in this one doesn't feel nearly as bad as 81,

I am town, though.

127 but I get annoyed at the reminders to it. And if people are incorrectly scumreading you it's your job to do something about that.

Unless it is their own fault for (deliberately?) misinterpreting my posts.

145 this vote comes so out of nowhere for me. His posts after this vote make it clear to me that it's OMGUS.

In a way, it was an OMGUS, with the emphasis on what I perceived as a sneaky push for my lynch. With Titus' nagging going on at the same time, I felt that I was being set up.

197 I think Always completely missed Yakko's point here and for me that indicates that he's not looking at this game with a town mindset.

I think you and Yakko were both missing my point. Anyway, missing a point is not necessarily alignment indicative.

208 Another point that flew right past Always.

Or not. And yet, my hypothetical incapability to grasp points is not alignment indicative. You are just trying to make your post longer, expecting that no-one will look too deeply into it.

Always vs Phantom is SvS from different teams.

Considering that he flipped town, we are both on the same team. I cannot say the same thing about you.

234 Or maybe not?

Maybe.

251 So he's not town now then? I get what you mean, it's just that it sounds so much like you know he's not town. A townie would ask 'as either alignment?' imo.

No, it does not sound like that all. It seems as if you are deliberately misinterpreting every post that I make.

257 This post screams wondering to get off his buddies wagon after that AtE Phantom made.

I was actually making a case against AtE.

263 But then I somehow came up with a scummy enough post for him to be able to unvote, ugh. Also wants to wait for the others first, how about making up your own mind instead? You might be waiting around for scum :/

You are making it seem as if "waiting for other voters" and "making up your own mind" are somehow mutually exclusive. I do make up my own mind, although I will always be influenced by other players, either directly (because of arguments/appeals/etc.) or indirectly (because of their actions). This is not a game that you play solo.

304 And here he's less active, ok stuff happens I don't blame you for that. It's just that it's so convenient to not be around for deadline while your buddy is being lynched and you just found an acceptable reason to unvote.

I cannot be active all the time. A really shitty reason to make me look bad, considering that I am more active than most players.

So, if we had more time I'd have voted here but I'm just as good with a Phantom-lynch.

Which we know was a mislynch. My lynch would be a mislynch as well. Voting for me at this stage is equivalent to scumclaiming.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Also 2 scum reads and even with PC town she still going after the same person, please, she's scum and should be lynched

And

this

.

[TheDominator37]

Odd kill. Hmmm

[AlwaysInnocent]

Odd kill. Hmmm

Why?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yakko might very well be scum, but he is harder to read, so I would not prioritize him over Wanderer.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Expressing "surprise" at NKs is often a scumtell, especially when it is completely without substance. Ending your sentence with "hmm" makes it seem like you are deeply thinking about it, but in the end you say nothing worthwhile. Phantom was right to suspect you.

So

TheDominator

becomes red.

[TheDominator37]

I just thought that Dwlee came out really scummy d1 and didn't make sense that the Mafia would kill him.