Mini 1742: game over

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VOTE: Frozen Angel

A little bit of pressure should thaw you.

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Darling?

Oh my, aren't we forward Frozen~ <3

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Oh, it just means that you're just sorta moving things faster than I'm comfortable going, honey.

So bold~

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I like FA for town atm <3

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VOTE: Titus

I'm extremely reticent to vote anything else here.

I think it's abundantly clear that I haven't paid over much attention to this game on a scumhunting level and Titus has seen my active lurking as something I do early game as town on multiple occasions.

Clearly she's just jealous of FA receiving all my online affections.

I entirely agree that FA is all over the place but I note that FA in my experience with scum!her was a lot more organized and collected.

Somewhat like someone else who is being FoSed in this game for being disorganized.

At any rate, I'm disliking how fast Wickan got going and I have suspicions of Titus so I'm staying here.

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So your argument is that I anticipated that crowd mentality would swing in favour of FA, so I announced that I was townreading her and left my vote there?

You can't have that both ways man.

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I mean Wiccan's argument is inherently self contradictory.

He's simultaneously arguing that I left my vote there to assist in lynching/pressuring FA but that I also expressed a TR because I expected pressure to relent.

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I mean, those two things aren't contradictory. You could've just hedged your bets. If we backed off of FA, you could always retreat to the "it was RVS" defense.

I can't possibly believe this is coming from town.

VOTE: Wiccan

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If town's going to confbias on me I'm perfectly happy ridding myself of them.

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Scum!me religiously micromanages my posts to make sure I'm not doing anything scummy.
Town!me just posts shit.

Making an error like that should make me look more town, not less. Besides, what does scum!RC have to gain from leaving his vote on someone who is townreading me?

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You're arguing that I was doing it intentionally.

I'm arguing that both 1) there was no reason to do intentionally and that 2) I was not doing so intentionally in the least.

If I was scum, I wouldn't have left my vote down there. That's all there is to it.

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And no, I want this.

VOTE: Titus

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How much of this should I regard as that hatefuck of a relationship you have with Titus?

Uh, 0%.

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I'm just completely drained at the moment and can't give the game the effort it deserves.

Give me a week or so.

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If I do get lynched I want Titus speedlynched after me.

There's little else I'm saying at this point.

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It's dramatically more likely for scum to do it because town must realize there's nothing to be fucking gained from it if I was scum.

It's the kind of thing scum push because it looks acceptable but it's not alignment indicative all, and in fact it leans towards my being town because I'm clearly not curating my posts to the extent that I do as Scum!RC.

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Also, ABR's vote is shitty as fuck.

So it's unfortunate but there's at least one town being a complete idiot on my wagon.

So many scummy as shit people in this game it blows my mind.

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RC's not town. His behavior isn't town. Why are you asking why town is more likely to be scummy? Unless I got your pronouns confused?

See, you caught me in one scum game and I thought maybe you had a chance of reading me.

Have you ever read me as town where I wasn't basically mod confirmed by the setup?

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Like, we can ignore the last question.

Have you ever townread me, ever?

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Did you ever consider that Titus has scumread me in every game we've played, one specific incident quite infamously?

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I can't. Why don't you fill me in?

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In fact it's bothering me because I'm not sure that Titus is scum here, just deathtunneling like a derp.

VOTE: ABR

This is scum for sure.

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So you're agreeing that there's a substantial likelihood that you're not overly familiar with the way that Town!RC plays games?

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Oh, and the one where you WERE in fact really townreading me?

NY184.

So...

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I actually think this is pretty meaningless (when it comes to me wagonning Titus, and I presume the same would hold for RC-town as well) since it's Titus. You might catch a total noob out trying to jump on a cheap wagon if they didn't know her but she's not exactly going to roll over as either alignment and is probably not someone scum want to push very hard unsolicited if she's town.

I don't recall Town!RC ever relenting from pressuring players that I think will be difficult.

I've gone so far as to fakeclaim cop when I'm positive on a scumread on a player who is going to be difficult to lynch.

(NEVER ONCE have I misdone a cop fakeclaim, nor have I done it in years, but it's something that is (was) in my repertoire)

In fact, I'd say the absolute best aspect of my town play is that I evaluate players based on how well I know they play scum.

I understand lynchbait. I'm rarely found lynching weak players.

I go for the big fish because they won't get lynched without me doing it personally.

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Also.

RC is pinging my scumdar for attempting to enforce his own meta. When I'm scum I always try to point out all the things I do as a specific alignment as a defense. It's a lousy defense because RC could actively be attempting to mimic his town meta in a game where many people are familiar with his play. Town RC would just be town RC and figure people would townread him because people know his meta.

Do you want me to make a list of games where I get pissed off at people for not townreading me when they should, and using similar arguments?

It's not a short list.

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You have little to no experience with my play. You don't know how I react when people aren't townreading me.
I'm not sure if you're scum for being full of crap but if you aren't you should seriously reevaluate what you're reading me for.

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Which is sort of the point I think. I don't think as town or scum it would be a good play to try to lolwagons Titus.

Oh, and as for scum!RC being scared of picking a 1v1 with Titus?

Like, my fallback scum meta is literally pick 1v1s with strong town players and then towntell so neither of us get lynched and I can keep screaming for their lynch the rest of the game and bitching town out for it.

It's like, my favourite thing to do, you know.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784

Did it like 5 times in a row this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=63250

Joined and IMMEDIATELY and picked a fight with Adenine because he was so obvtown. He was mason.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=63637

Let's fight with BBT all day. I accidentally did get him lynched, but it's his fault for lurking.

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Like, Iceninja you LITERALLY just described my i-don't-know-anyone-here scum meta exactly and said that it's something I wouldn't do.

You don't know me.

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Oh yeah, I even did it literally with Titus specifically in a game with Johnny.

So, think about that.

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Also, contrary to his claims that we'd get towncred for it no one ever gets towncred for doing something they're told they'll get towncred for.

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She's pushing on me without giving any reasons why and just doing it in a generally idiotic fashion that makes me inclined to scumread her.

She's definitely not the worst vote on me though so I'm going to let her be for now.

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I can't produce content effectively when I'm busy defending myself from idiocy.

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Why would my continuously bringing up my meta be scummy, exactly?

Explain to me how this works.

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Didn't I already explain why that was complete garbage?

Why is it still being used?

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Hey, I'm not scumreading Ice, I'm just not townreading him all that much.

Regardless, Wickan is scummy as all shit and he's pushing on me to boot so I'm happy getting rid of that.

ABR is lurking like shit which is as far as I understand it exactly what he does as scum.

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I have little to no desire to engage with you because I find all your reads frankly abhorrent and I have two incredibly strong scumreads.

If you want to badger me for info you can go ahead but I'm not worried about you at the moment.

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I note you didn't bring up Wickan, who is slightly relevant as one of the main wagons of the day.

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I mean you literally just named my lynchpool minus FA who is nulltown and said you'd rather NL or get lynched yourself.

So, we're at one hell of an impasse here.

If you're reading off of connections, do you think that maybe assuming I'm scum is ruining your entire game?

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This Wickan wagon is crap.

RC is voting someone who she has a townread on and didn't move the vote. Wicked points this out and votes RC.

Johnny immediately votes Wicked, saying his post is uninspiring. Hold on, wtf? Town shouldn't vote townreads unless deadline is here. Wicked is townish for the pressure. I don't get why a vote there.

Taly agrees with my reasoning on RC, yet votes Wicked anyway...

FA is basically flailing looking for an acceptable wagon.

VOTE: RC

This is your first post addressing the Wicked wagon and you basically say that the WAGON is crap without saying anything about the player because:

RC is scum for townreading FA and failing to move the vote. Because that makes a ton of sense.
FA is flailing (which she's not, even if she appears to) and therefore her vote might not be good.
Taly's vote isn't good because he should be voting me ???
Johnny (who is legit obvtown) voted him over people that you believe he was scumreading more, and you have an issue with that.

So basically the crux of what you've stated here is that everyone should be voting RC (who is town), and that his (town) vote and that FA is flailing therefore her vote casts a dark shadow over the wagon.
No explanation of why what you perceive as flailing from FA is particularly scummy.

Next, we have:

1) Wickan wagon sucks
2) people push stale wagon
3) Wickan is saying what I think.
4) ice scumslip argument is shit

1) we just established is sheer idiocy.
2) stale wagoning isn't a thing. I will vote park for an entire day phase if that's what it takes to get shit done.
3) Like, this legit may make him more likely to be town in your eyes. But we have no guarantees of your alignment and nothing he says meshes with anything I think so it means fuck to me.
4) I agree, but this doesn't say shit about Wickan either.

So, yeah. Your read on the biggest wagon of the day is terrible and essentially says I'm blanket townreading Wickan because RC is scum!!
Who is the potential townbeard here again? And to be fair, I'm leaning on all 3 of you/ABR/Wicked being scum but if you're not town, you're the definite choice for that honour.

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Your vote was shit and is always shit regardless of your alignment. If you're legit careless with your vote, why should I believe anything else you do is that thought out?

I see no reason to respond to the rest of this post.

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VOTE: Wicked

If only because it's ostensibly going to bug and/or frustrate her, town or otherwise.

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I mean, in your experience with me, people I've legitimately been scumreading and not just voting while I sift have virtually never been wrong.

I mean, I even yanked you out as scum and got you lynched in 185.

And you saw me solve the entire scumteam with 0 scum flipped thus far in le game.

So that comment just doesn't mesh with reality, Titus's opinion of me based on her experience, or just about anything honestly.

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Honestly, that makes me want to speedlynch Titus.

I get the feeling that she wants to present the image that she's mad at me and make it seem like this is some sort of grudge vote against me so that people don't ask so many questions.

I don't get a distinct impression in general though that Titus still has issues with me and so that comment was, frankly, jarring.

I find it difficult to reconcile with any interpretation of the gamestate.

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You want me to vote you?

Let's play. VOTE: Titus

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Albert, this absenteeism accompanied with flying in calling shit scummy and no explanations seems quite similar to your scum game.

You know what I'm le saying here.

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FA, RC isn't generally scummy.
In fact, RC isn't scummy in this game. He's towny as fk.
Have you seen me get mislynched? Doesn't happen often. In fact, I'm maf kill bait pretty much, even when I'm obvsly VT.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can't use my own strategies against me.

Tee hee~

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What do you mean when you tell me to settle down?

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Which is to say, you want me to make a full case on Titus?

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Which is to say that you want me to do what then?

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In return, will you vote Titus with me?

You're already 70% on the connection, please? <3

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Lord RC accepts your plea for clemency and will allow you to continue voting Wiccon at this time.

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You're making an argument to me like I'm town while your entire case on everything depends on me being scum.

Interesting

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I note that you have said absolutely nothing to justify your "my vote is shit" comment to me and have basically just ignored it because you know you can say nothing to do it justice.

I also note that your case for Wicked being town is absolute rubbish.

I shall smite thee, thy scummy heathen.

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I'm going to reread Ice since apparently he has tons of content and I should have a read on him.

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Well, usually I'm *that* guy that goes in deep on the first page or two but looks like we've got someone already doing it for me. Awesome. Gives me a chance to say "hello" to the handful of players here who I recognize from the old days.

Vote Wickan

. How is it scum motivated to push for information gathering regardless of what page it is?

Good.

The thing that's the most interesting to me is how Wickan's wagon got going hard super fast, to L-1. Johnny's push makes total sense and I like his vote, but Taly and Frozen Angel hopped on SUPER fast. The way the wagon stormed ahead really feels like scum got opportunistic and hopped on, and it really looks like either Taly or Frozen. Taly's post 66 looks like scum realizing this and backing out before getting caught too soon. That combined with Frozen seeming more likely town than scum in the 1v1 with talah means Taly is probscum.

This is interesting and looks very town, but I'm fairly sure it's misguided.

Not quoting 80 because it's a monstrosity but the 1v1 between Taly and Ice looks extremely TvT to me.
Particularly from Ice's part, but Taly seems pretty decent too.

Same goes #96. RIDICULOUSLY towny.

One of the big hallmarks of scum play is they so frequently admit things are possible, or that something makes sense for them as scum, only to brush it off in the next sentence. Town has absolutely no business saying this at all because if you already KNOW you're town then that thought wouldn't even enter your head, let alone "confuse" you enough to post it.

I legitimately feel like this was a substantial scum slip, as it shows insight in to a thought process that someone with a town role PM simply wouldn't have had.

A scum flip here would be extremely telling in regards to Taly too.

Unvote, Vote Wickan. This should be L-2.

This is both awesome and town, but not necessarily true.

I've thought along such lines before.

I'm not reading Ice anymore. That's town.

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So yeah, I glossed over most of Ice's content between the funeral, entertaining my cousins and just generally not being in the mood to sift through walls, but now that it comes down to reading it I'm pretty close to positive that he's town here.

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Titus having Taly as confirmed town over IceNinja in this game really doesn't sit right with me.

Not that, like, anything she does or says does, but.

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My loss? I didn't know him extremely well and I see him fairly little. I can live without him.

What's hard for me is watching my mom cry and my grandmother fall apart because she feels like she failed him and julia dealing with not having her father.

That I can't deal with.

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TL;DR don't kill yourselves people.

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Titus, ABR, Wickan

I'm thinking it's 2 of those 3.

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I swear you already said the exact same thing.

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the fuck are people doing voting Ice

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OMG why you give me shit for not reading. for that i'm not going to read some more.

take it.

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That's my secret.

I am Frozen Angel.

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My alternate personality is being all weird right now.

No, it's OK. My alternate personality plays FA and I play RC and we don't know each other's roles.

It's perfectly valid.

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I do not have a read at this time on Talah.

I can reread if necessary.

Wick is scummy as all shit and has associatives with the people I don't like, so.

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Yeah, I'm at a weird state with Talah.

I have numerous true scumreads so he hasn't piqued my interest though.

Where were you while we were getting high?

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idk when I get a strong gut feeling it's nearly always correct and pushing Titus just feels really right here.

I don't think I'll be unvoting.

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Please noooo

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One of yourself, Wickan, or ASP.

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Yeah, but I'm not sure which of the two I want to lynch.

It's a hard decision and I really want to hit scum D1 because I feel like if we don't I won't have momentum to lynch either the others or Titus in the future.

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How are you calculating these percentages, Sarah?

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It's gut plus a bunch of comparisons to her meta plus a lot of stuff she says just rings hollow and insincere.

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all of y'all

ಠ_ಠ

I really wish I hadn't mentioned this in the Aristophanes game.

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I'll get back to this. It's going to take a massive wall of text to explain where I'm at right now.

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I'm still fine with a Titus lynch, and I will be 100% with you guys for pushing Titus tomorrow after Wickan flips scum.

I'm cool giving Simple Plan another day or two to catch up but if he doesn't after that I'm not sure he ever will, which is super unhelpful to town. He's on the scummy side too (not in my top 2, but leaning scum) so I wouldn't be sad to see him lynched, but I'll probably be less interested in that until I've seen Wickan and Titus buried. If the game isn't over at that point, We'll theoretically have more content from him which may or may not prove helpful.

I get your head when Wickan flips town or ASP flips scum.

No one can even articulate why Wickan is scum.

I seem to recall ASP being in the pile of people that my people were planning/willing to lynch.

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About that obvtown Wickan.

I don't think you're going to get much traction from trying to persuade me, though, given that I'm essentially beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're scum for reasons that I will share fairly soon.

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Please don't hammer Wick before I can say my piece about Titus.

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Right, so, here's what's going on with Titus.

I noticed in 1708 where I was scum that there's some phrases, specifically y'all, that she frequently uses as a sort of tic when she gets frustrated or stressed.

Here were the posts from when she was basically getting shit on by half the game for her performance in a previous game.

OF course not.

I just don't vote "compromises" my scumreads are on. Y'all don't care. I get it. Basic people reading is beyond y'all in this game. It's ok.

Hammer Stool. He will flip town.

The last game y'all fucked up. My unorthodox strategies got us to 3p lylo where RC paid the price for her gamethrowing. Surprised she wasn't banned tbh.

I already told you why Stool is going to flip town. I will case him when I have time. Sometimes you know.

@RC + Chaos, and how many scum lynches did y'all get before my "terrible" reads? Chaos moves a few pegs down. If RC is town, I want Chaos for trying to prolong our fight.

If you look at her play in general you see that phrase exceedingly rarely and only when she's under some sort of strain and I had that pegged as a tell for reading her when I played that game.

I believe that considering her use of Y'all there doesn't match up with the stress or frustration tic usage and she doesn't appear to be under any pressure nor could I see it as being appropriate for just being used in general, that it was a conscious decision by Titus to try to soften my read on her. I have reason to believe that my using that as a tell for reading her may have been brought to her attention, and while it could potentially be used by town or scum, given that she's scumreading me I can't see it as at all likely that Town!Titus would be attempting to change my read in that manipulative manner, and think it far more likely that she's scum.

Plus, there's so many things she's said this game that just absolutely don't mesh with the rest of her kit and she's trying to set up battle lines between groups that I suspect badly misrepresent the gamestate. I want her lynched, end of story.

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Like, I just get such an incredibly strong feeling that she's trying to manipulate this game.
Her just happening to throw out Y'all at that specific time in that specific context just gets my goat.
Not to mention this little number.

Your vote was shit and is always shit regardless of your alignment. If you're legit careless with your vote, why should I believe anything else you do is that thought out?

Like, since 1708 ended and I apologized to her for what I said at the end of 1682 she's been extremely nice to me in general.
This really doesn't mesh at all and it comes in a post that strongly seems to me designed to manipulate how people see the gamestate.
I can't lynch anything else. this is scum.

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Titus obsesses over VCA.

People who obsess over VCA take steps to make sure VCA does not impugn them.

I would be not at all surprised if her partner was in the group of people she wants lynched and all of her townreads are WKs.

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Vote Titus, please?

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white knighting.

I'm not expecting Wickan to flip scum, though.

I want a Titus lynch.

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She will if you vote her and you get others to follow you.

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Then you can try wicken later.

Pleaaase <3

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Titus, I believe your scumpartner is most likely to be ASP than anyone else.

That said, it's not a pro-bussing strategy given that you haven't pushed him at all, you've just used him as a tool to push others.

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Also, wtf.

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Egh, I'm sorta here. Please stop voting obvtown Taly.

Update FMHPOV (Titus you'll appreciate that) on the events since I last looked at things.

I catch Simple Plan in a really weak catch-up which was, imo, rehashed content from what other players (ie me) had already said regarding ABR. Simple Plan uses that to call ABR town, sheeping my own weak town-lean. I gave ABR some faith in that read, apparently SP thinks the same noted events are worth the same level of faith/gamble I had, minus the sheep. (The ABR sheep I made was on Ice, iirc).

I think that's a scumslip and ask for votes. Johnny and Titus follow me on to the Simple Plan wagon. Titus says she'll support any ABR or talah push. At some point ABR abandons his push on Ice, and joins the Wickan wagon, without much explanation. (I believe I asked him why, don't believe he responded.) Ice wagon evaporates. ABR had been sheeping Titus on Ice originally.

Titus doesn't vote Wickan off the back of ABR's vote, but when ABR votes Taly, she sheeps onto that for some reason instead of pushing back on Ice.
Like literally any semblance of anyone scumreading Ice disappeared with no reason and I can't even remember why, aside from the reasoning and reassessment I myself made, he was being scumread in the first place. But it seems to revolve around Titus / ABR? I have no fucking idea.

In the meantime RC is playing a very measured game, not sure if this is scum or town and don't particularly intend to tempt fate by pushing there - but the read on Titus I want to say feels more town than scum just because of its greyness and lack of intent. There's a caution and a gutread and a meta-read, and there have been several strong statements which I don't mind at all. I think the read is wrong.

I also think ABR could be scum.

UNVOTE: Simple Plan
VOTE: Wickan

L-....2?

Seriously, fuck lynching Taly. Wickan you made your bed.

This is a terrible, terrible, terrible post.

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Titus/Talah is a strong possibility for a scum team as well, now that I come to think of it.

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But yeah, really Johnny?

I don't think I've ever been described as a bad boy before.

Also, thanks for the Titus vote

slave

FA, and we could use more like it.

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Ice, help me vote Titus.

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I'm not compromising. I can't specify why, but it has something to do with the rate of me being N1ed.

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Not even for ABR?

Definitely not.

ABR towned up the slot a metric ton since I was scumreading him. He's not one of my major lynch interests.

I want Titus and I want her badly.

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How does that even make sense?

I want to lynch you because you're scum.

Pissed that you saw ABR adn Wickan for town before you, what?

What's that even supposed to mean? That strikes me as you trying to leave a trail for after your lynch.

I daresay my thought process is pretty easy to understand.

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You just come off as pissed that I saw ABR and Wickan as town before you did.

This makes a ton of sense.

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You're voting Titus too, I thought.

What's your comment?

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Says the guy not voting Titus.

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She doesn't flip town.

She flips scum.

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The only condition under which I will accept Titus not being lynched today is if the hider claim is on her, no wifom.

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Yes, thank you.

Let's give scum more incentives to N1 me.

I haven't been N1ed in enough games recently, no siree.

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I DID NOT SUPPORT THAT SHOT, SIR.

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Yeah, and Titus can't talk her way out of getting lynched after I'm dead.

C'mon.

We're not playing these games. We lynch Titus or we lynch me then Titus.

We're not going off onto some shit wagon.

RC, thoughts on the pool of 3 ASP

I don't care what the hider claim does.

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Yeah, people feel that way about me often.

Guess who does make it to LyLo?

We don't lynch her today she doesn't get lynched, I guarantee you.

Can we stop with this "sheep me" shit that 1/3 of this playerlist loves doing? This is why I'm not keen on RC the past few pages.

I'd like my questions answered for once.

Keen on RC?

Just because I've beaten you all as scum at least once doesn't mean that we're autolynching me because you're afraid you can't read me.

This is sheer lunacy.

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WE ARE NOT FUCKING LYNCHING ICE JESUS CHRIST WHAT ARE YOU ON

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I don't talk to scum.

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I literally could not care less what the hider does. They can stay home for all I care.

I don't need investigative roles to catch scum.

The only way that he's useful to me is if he checks Titus, which isn't about the investigation it's about proving it to you lot.

[RadiantCowbells]

If so, why is SP wagoned, if not - why is RC not wagoned?

Why the fuck would RC GET wagoned.

[RadiantCowbells]

I spent this entire day trying to get people to lynch Titus and now you're trying to lynch me because me trying to lynch her is apparently not producing content.

New flash: not until she's dead will you have me committed to content form that's not about her.

You want to scumread me, you want to lynch me, be my guest. I caught scum, I'm done now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean probably. It'd be funny to see Bells put everyone except you on the 'would not lynch' list though

I'm not sure what you find fucking funny about it.

We'll see who is laughing post game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I might lynch you if you keep asking me stupid questions.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who knows.

Most likely one of {ABR, Talah, ASP, Taly}.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wickan's missing from that list, fyi.

That's just the list of players in the game minus people that I think are town though. So, there's that.

Asking you to branch out from your tunnel which I disagree with is not stupid questions.

I frankly find a singular tunnel scummy as hell because it's just a way to avoid participating with opinions otherwise.

Okay, you're scum.

VOTE: Talah

[RadiantCowbells]

Holy fuck no I'm done with Titus.

This is so getting lynched.

That's got to be the scummiest self hammer and continued response ever.

People self vote because they're fucking pissed off, Talah continues going on and reasoning with people as if nothing happened.

No.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is a really bad argument and the reason is a PM I sent you back before joining the queue for this game regarding what I intended to do to allow myself to play more games.
Also:

We are not lynching outside of Talah/Taly after this remark.

[RadiantCowbells]

[quote="In post 1086, Titus"][/quote]

stop, please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Seriously though, we should lock the hider down to one target so the information is useful.

If he gets killed with the person being targeted, well, we lost two potential mislynches.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean like

say Titus is actually town and we lose both Titus and Wickan in one night

I don't see how we could possibly lose after that. So few potential lynches there.

[RadiantCowbells]

Talah flips scum we autolynch Taly tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not voting ASP.

It seems clear, ridiculously clear in fact, that he's been scum's pocket mislynch for when one of them gets pressured.

Why are Taly/Talah scum together? These 3 reasons.

1) That "pm before game" comment. Last time someone made it aka Slavic Mafia 1? Scumbuddies.
2) Taly immediately voted Talah for the unvote then made an extremely coachy comment while hinting that he should unvote. Talah then unvoted.
3) Taly went from scumreading Talah to townreading as soon as serious momentum occurred there was an 180 and he backtracked.
4) Crazy waffling from both about their reads on the other. Here's an example.

>Now back to talah - Self-voting to bait yourself to scum can easily backfire and seriously be unhelpful; but I don't exactly see the scum-motivation if it was a reaction test as talah said. Though, this is partially why I want to keep my vote on talah to see the flip; and because we're in 50 pages of the game and this is just getting stupid at this point without a flip - specifically since talah's DOES give a really good amount of information either way, and I really am torn on talah at this point.

Also, the inverse list is very interesting - it's terrible, but useful; that's another reason why I want talah's flip, to see the motives behind it can know what mindset this came from and be able to interpret it late-game.

So there's my head.

I want talah's lynch, but I'd kick myself in the face if she flips town. But I'd be more comfortable with Ice or FA at this point...

But you know. If anyone wants to 1v1, talk, solve, or question me - I'm here.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: talah

This is putting talah to L-1 including her own vote. I doubt she'll keep it on at this point, but I'd like any sort of intent to hammer at this point before a lynch occurs if another vote is put on if talah unvotes.

Subtly encouraging her to unvote.

Oh, FA. I'm an ENFP, too.

I don't have enough time to reply to every single thing in the morning, so if something is desired to be addressed then question me after I create this post and will have a weekend after school to engage.

Also, talah's unvote right before her large posts come in responding to arguments appears as if she had realized she had done something wrong. It doesn't make sense, since she didn't explain it then.

[...snip...]
Pre-edit:
Seriously - never self-

vote

hammer. I TRULY understand how frustrating it can be. I've done it before (well not hammered but voted).
Even if you have to lurk because you're frustrated it helps to shape the game and gives town info.
I really enjoyed your accesisibility as I mentioned and you were very reasonable - I just didnt' understand your change off Taly dismissing your own arguments and wanted to know why that changed onto ChriVi, and I think we could have discussed that better - as much my fault as anything.

So this was the same quote (which you quoted) where I told Netherspite to never self-vote (we didn't get along well in that game at all).
Thing is the guy self-hammered. Also he was tilting and didn't take time to blow off some steam elsewhere or just call himself a v/la or lurk or something.

This is a completely different scenario.

RC's taken a couple of passes at me and when I've pushed back on him he's become increasingly aggro with scumreading me. Now I'm sorry but I don't think a the best reaction from town's to being questioned or poked (especially in response to your own push) is to scumread, vote and leave it at that.

So I decided I'd give him some help with wagonning me. Maybe he'd push a case, maybe I'd become a juicy target. Who knows. But I've done this before as town in at least a couple of games. So I guess my blanket statement about not self-voting is - well circumstantial (as it related to Netherspite in that game) and a bit pie-in-the-sky. Sometimes I just find it quite difficult to keep everything super-optimal and serious especially when games drag out on Day 1 like this. So I take a sidetrack or two.

Besides which:

I voted you because wagons are good and I didn't care to push either of Taly or Titus.

Wagons

are

good. From my sometimes atypical perspective - even on myself.

[...snip...]
But I'm really intrigued that either of you see my self-vote given my will-vote won't vote as a "fuck you have at it lol". So anyway if you want to grab that wagon go for it.
[...snip...]

Aside from that^^ and meta contradictions, the fact that talah then

says that it's 'intriguing' that we recognized

and then prods us to a wagon doesn't sit well with me.

I've snipped out the couple of dross lines you're not referring to here.
I'm having trouble understanding what you're getting at here, especially the part I've bolded above.
It doesn't seem to line up as a problem with what I actually said, or you're missing some part of the point you meant to type.

Also the self-vote was the

second vote on the wagon

. I literally created the wagon.

You mean... A wagon on yourself? Apparently that's good? Couldn't you have just asked questions?

Don't try to explain the context; that still doesn't explain you, or remove my thinking about your self-vote and your general posting. Why would you argue that your vote on yourself was helpful?

[Do you think that doesn't line up with me having some purpose for it?
Also this is like deja-vu from the initial Frozen wagon except I'm doing it to myself. In case you've forgotten.

Bad wording palooza. So I'm forgetting something?

Please tell me how this scenario aligns with your early push on FA.

[Difference here is I *know* I'm town and so do scum, so it's a legitimate temptation with 2 votes outside of RVS imo.
Especially where other players try to characterise this kind of self-vote as scummy in its own right.

I mean... You were town the last game... I don't understand what you're getting at here.

And if her self-vote wasn't meant for anything much at all compared to the wagon she jumped off of for no reason; then why didn't she bring it back the post after or explain it? It looks like an agenda was there.

You don't lay down a reaction test and then say next post "NAHH GUISE JSUT CHECKING LOL UNVOTE". Do you understand why not?
So what's your actual problem with my self-vote? We have a wagon on me now which probably has 2 scum on it.

How do you know there are 2 scum on the wagon? Or scum at all?

And if your self-vote/unvote was a reaction test, then why didn't you say anything else about it, especially before you removed the vote?

This feels like you're either withholding information on what you learned from the 'reaction self-vote', or you're trying to find a way to make your vote seem as if it held some ground in terms of wagons.

Trusting some people on the wagon more, and the only major posting talah has done in this game was in the first few pages, she hasn't been pushed much at all and I feel like she's also gone under the radar. The intervals she posts about doesn't make since with the content at hand.

(Basically her posting 2-3 days apart between her engagements - ever since December 4th, which was not even a week until after the game began. Which would make sense from scum not wanting to do much when the chat was cut off 3 days in.)

This is a really bad argument and the reason is a PM I sent you back before joining the queue for this game regarding what I intended to do to allow myself to play more games.
Also:

Spoiler:

On lurking and you trying to say me not posting for 13 hours (or whatever, I might not post for 2 days or longer and prod-dodge, it's not the point) - your ISO now consists of 10 posts, most of them useless except as far as making excuses and defending yourself. Fully half of them have arrived in the last 24 hours and have been in response to me attacking you. Don't you think that's a good thing that I've motivated you enough to - actually post?

Dodgin'.

Sorry, been pretty crook the last couple of days.

I'm just going to go ahead and disagree that I've found a way to barely exist - I actually just came out of a couple of games directly prior to this and usually that'd be burnout for me. So I'm going to be shamelessly lurking from time to time (and especially at times when I'm either busy IRL, demotivated, or simply as with this game - kind of frustrated that we're talking around in circles and stubborning up rather than trying to compromise on lynches.

So I'm just going to leave that part of what you're seeing as "burden of activity" given I believe I have more posts than you - and both of ABR and RC have far more posts that both of us - and for the life of me I can't remember anything significant either have really done (well I guess ABR's done the rounds with voting but meh).

If you're feeling like I'm not providing enough content, how about you ask me some direct questions which aren't in walls? I dont' believe I've ignored anything you've said, correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not about amount of posts, or entirely the content itself; but the consistency as well. Which doesn't work well with how you've posted in several day intervals, only on specific discussions.

But hey, I'm glad throwing you up on the inquisition chair:

1)

Why are you pushing FA again, over all people?

2)

Who is bussing SP? And why is he town for zero resistance?

3)

Why is Titus town? You guys nonstop say that the other one is obv-town somehow, and literally nobody else seems to see it that way.

4)

Can you walk me through - in more compacted and concise words - how RC and ABR are 'linked' together, and they're scum?

Results of the consensus survey:

Won't lynch:

Johnny

[8] {Titus, talah, RC, Taly, Frozen, Wickan, ICE, ASP}

Wickan

[7] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly, Frozen, ABR, ASP}

Titus

[5] {talah, Johnny, Taly, Wickan, ABR}

ABR

[3] {Titus, Wickan, ASP}

Taly

[3] {talah, Johnny, Wickan}

talah

[2] {Titus, ICE}

RC

[2] {Frozen, ABR}

ICE

[1] {RC}

Frozen

[1] {RC}

Preference for lynch - nominate ONE only:

ASP

[4] {talah, Johnny, Taly, ICE}

talah

[3] {Frozen, RC, ABR}

Ice

[2] {Titus, ASP}

RC

[1] {Wickan}

Notes:

Spoiler:

I think this is accurate. I went back to Wickan's update in 1043 and added in RC and ABR's indications and then continued from there. I tried to keep the order of stating preferences sorted by time in the list. (So first player to state an opinion appears first in each group).

I'm adding RC's 'Won't lynch' based on his 1021/1024 (ie he indicated he thought certain folks were town so presumably won't vote them at that stage)

Obviously some things might have changed now but this has been the problem; constant shifting and lack of consensus. So I really wanted a snapshot of a single state of the game we could consider and discuss (although I might have undermined that mid-survey by inviting a wagon on myself - oops. Nevertheless...)

Playerlist for reference:

(ordered by statement of preferences above)

Spoiler:

Titus
talah
JohnnyFarrar
RadiantCowbells
Taly
Frozen Angel
Wickan
Albert B. Rampage
ICEninja
A Simple Plan

Titus, talah, Johnny, RC, Taly, Frozen, Wickan, ABR, ICE, ASP

---

The below results are the more important result as far as Town consensus is concerned.

Implicit Will lynch list:

This is the inverse of the "Won't lynch" list

ASP

[9] {Titus, talah, Johnny, RC, Taly, Frozen, Wickan, ABR, ICE}

Frozen

[8] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly, Wickan, ABR, ICE, ASP}

ICE

[8] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly, Frozen, Wickan, ABR, ASP}

RC

[7] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly, Wickan, ICE, ASP}

talah

[7] {Johnny, RC, Taly, Frozen, Wickan, ABR, ASP}

Taly

[6] {Titus, RC, Frozen, ABR, ICE, ASP}

ABR

[6] {talah, Johnny, RC, Taly, Frozen, ICE}

Titus

[4] {RC, Frozen, ICE, ASP}

Wickan

[2] {RC, ICE}

Johnny

[1] {ABR}
---

This is terrible.

First you give 2 options - not the other half the rest of us added - on our preferred lynch, creating a dichotomy.

Then you say that there is 'too much diversity' inside the formation of this popcorn read and vote/lynch.

Now whenever you're being pushed with more power - you go back to this idea and then make and INVERSE lynch list; incriminating HALF THE PLAYERLIST to be a possible lynch.

You 'narrowing down the field' just turned into you making anyone a possible lynch, all within the change of votes being placed on you.

The fact that you just push your own reads instead of providing questions to others to get their input - seems as if you're trying to cause some sort of turmoil in decision.

So, refreshing my reads and compromise suggestions for Town based on this info (and to an extent my wagon info):

ASP I'm going to suggest actually might be town based on the fact there is zero resistance to his lynch - either that or he's simply being bussed at this point because his lynch seemed inevitable. I can vote here but have changed my mind on preference.

Frozen's vote on my wagon was the most opportunistic given the lack of solid argument (I'll get to RC and ABR in a second) and there are several other aspects to her play which haven't panned out as continuing town, like it seemed they might early-ish game after my initial serious scumread and push. I'm heading back to scum there and a fantastic compromise. I don't know why she has so much implicit support but isn't pushed - indicating to me that scum aren't pushing an obvious lynch target (because she's scum).

Taly's push was pretty bad too and I'm going to be considering that but still don't want to lynch him today.

ICE I mistrust because of his *lack* of suspicion on me, actually, but hey town can be right about town. Want to put him in the on-hold bucket for now, but he'd be a like 3rd or 4th tier compromise who I'd have to re-read I think.

RC and ABR - I can't help but group their play in my head.
~ On RC, I still don't like the tunnel (which has switched form Titus to me) - there's nothing to back it up. Votes/tunnels, person being voted asks questions, RC lurks until an opportune time to randomly post a quote and call it scummy again. Rinse repeat. I'd vote here.
~ On ABR - I'd like to think his voting-round-the-world strats have a purpose. Not really perturbed by his "game too easy" comments when I'm at L-1 with intent to hammer. I want to see his play after a flip if I'm around.


So.

VOTE: Frozen

I covered a lot of this during my questioning of you.

You say my push is bad - but then you say you won't lynch me - but then your 'will lynch list' (where you put votes where people didn't place themselves) - throws 6 votes onto myself, which secures a lynch on me.

Yeah. Your 'popcorn vote analysis' doesn't add up with the reads, furthermore - you haven't even pushed on someone else yet if you do believe you could go after the 'scum on your wagon.'

The FA vote looks extremely far-sided. FA only placed a vote on you; but while you say you wouldn't want to lynch me for supposedly a "bad push" - you throw an associative over RC and ABR and then incriminate FA as opportunistic.

This doesn't look like the body of work from a towny.

>>>>

Titus, you can say all you want about how talah is obvtown- but that's not changing my mind. Despite talah wanting to 'lay low' on the posting, she seems very much like scum in my eyes.

I don't need to talk meta anymore; I have enough reason to vote to lynch talah right now in her past few posts alone.

I spent roughly 2 hours of last night creating 3 posts, first of me addressing talah's 1118, the second me dumping the first post halfway into talah's wall and seeing her as town; wanting to unvote, the third of me seeing her VT claim; and her 1184 (Which doesn't look like scum at all, tbh.) and wanting to outline the rest of my thoughts on the previous two posts so people could understand why/if I unvoted talah.

If anyone wants to call bullshit, then I'll happily put the 3 unfinished posts in a spoiler. Merry Christmas.

Can we not hammer or lynch talah?

I mean, I'm not sold on talah being definitively town. And I know half of you are either too apathetic, stagnant, or 'confident' to move your vote...

I don't like this wagon, and the people I did like on the wagon for a few seconds really haven't done much at all - and/or have lost the credit they had.

But Ice's vote makes me want to throw up on myself. (And the post as a whole, there - and my townread on him no longer exists.)

>>>>

If we lynch talah, I want Wickan to hide behind him

despite her flip.

I really don't like half of FA's case. (Her ISO is also mehhhhh)

>

I don't see talah using AtE that much, if at all - plus I don't agree with the concept of AtE itself.

>

I don't see talah's vote as OMGUS, exactly - even if I don't understand the re-vote.

>

So.... Whenever I was pushed to L-3 by Wickan, Titus, and ABR - and calling THEM out as a possible scumteam (before Wickan's claim) - I'm not somehow scum, but talah is?

I can't even read ABRs vote, I think he's possibly town and just breeds apathy like no other at this point.

>I sound like House. ._.

Some of RC's posts I find alarming these past few pages, but he's really low priority compared to other people, and in part to talah herself. Nothing strikes me as scum from him and I haven't had a clear read on him this entire game.

>Now back to talah

- Self-voting to bait yourself to scum can easily backfire and seriously be unhelpful; but I don't exactly see the scum-motivation if it was a reaction test as talah said. Though, this is partially why I want to keep my vote on talah to see the flip; and because we're in 50 pages of the game and this is just getting stupid at this point without a flip - specifically since talah's DOES give a really good amount of information either way, and I really am torn on talah at this point.

Also, the inverse list is very interesting - it's terrible, but useful; that's another reason why I want talah's flip, to see the motives behind it can know what mindset this came from and be able to interpret it late-game.

So there's my head.

I want talah's lynch, but I'd kick myself in the face if she flips town. But I'd be more comfortable with Ice or FA at this point...

But you know. If anyone wants to 1v1, talk, solve, or question me - I'm here.

Note that in the second he pushes her fairly hard but with alot of "seems like" and also puts other people (ice/FA) at the top of the lynch list.
He also gives her fairly easy questions to answer that, when answered, could justify a switch off and I'm not sure if they're very alignment indicative because a few of them (particularly the FA one) are super obvious from an ISO.
I don't buy it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I covered a lot of this during my questioning of you.

You say my push is bad - but then you say you won't lynch me - but then your 'will lynch list' (where you put votes where people didn't place themselves) - throws 6 votes onto myself, which secures a lynch on me.

Yeah. Your 'popcorn vote analysis' doesn't add up with the reads, furthermore - you haven't even pushed on someone else yet if you do believe you could go after the 'scum on your wagon.'

The FA vote looks extremely far-sided. FA only placed a vote on you; but while you say you wouldn't want to lynch me for supposedly a "bad push" - you throw an associative over RC and ABR and then incriminate FA as opportunistic.

This doesn't look like the body of work from a towny.

>>>>

Titus, you can say all you want about how talah is obvtown- but that's not changing my mind. Despite talah wanting to 'lay low' on the posting, she seems very much like scum in my eyes.

I don't need to talk meta anymore; I have enough reason to vote to lynch talah right now in her past few posts alone.

Also, this specifically looks line intended misdirection.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pseudo prodge. I will come up big on monday.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wickan targets Titus or Taly but claims which one before he goes. No debate.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wickan targets Titus or Taly but claims which one before he goes. No debate.

I continue to claim that your insistence on this is anti-town bordering on scum.

It's the correct play.

If we lose you and Titus and you're both town, well, at least there's no possibility that we lose.

[RadiantCowbells]

Titus sees scum where she wants them to be, not where they really are

[RadiantCowbells]

You're all idiots.

VOTE: RC

Bye.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's either Talah/Taly or Titus/X.

You do not lynch outside of the former 3 tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

And Titus, you continually give me shit for not respecting your town game.

If you're town here, well, this is why.

[RadiantCowbells]

my reads are fuck you.

[RadiantCowbells]

you mislynched me when I was obvious fucking town.

I will be confirmed town so I'm calling the shots here.

Hider claim targets Titus, no WIFOM. If Titus doesn't become confirmed scum then you immediately lynch Talah.

Failing to do this should be taken by everyone currently alive as a scum claim.

dude fuck you.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Talah doesn't flip scum then you lynch Wickan or Titus on D3.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just hammer me Johnny.

I'm not playing this out with everyone trying to argue with me on shit.

Clear my slot and then follow my leads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait, Johnny's voting me?

What the fuck?

[RadiantCowbells]

Fix it then.

I'm not helping anyone in D2 without hider claim checking Titus.

If I have to be lynched to clear my slot we do that.

You're confirmed town now.

That's a load of fucking crap.

That's stupid. Scum just shoot me and two townies die.

I got no problem being in the pool but that's stupid.

Two townies who are near the top of the likely to be mislynched pool die. sure.

I consider that a net benefit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Jeanne is obvtown who replaced an obvtown.

ASP is clearly scum's intended counterwagon.

If I was alive I'd be incredibly unlikely to lynch either.

pedit: RC, I'm the hider, and I'll just flat tell you that I'm not listening to you if that's your position. So please stop.

Then I will lynch you. end chapter.

[RadiantCowbells]

You were trying to quicklynch me, so you must understand if I don't give a shit what any of your reads are right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Titus

I can't see town losing after Titus getting lynched unless I die and get ignored the rest of the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wickan/Titus and Taly/Talah are the two scumteams that seem a billion times more likely than anyone else in this game.

I'd be happy lynching any of the four, minus Wickan.

Wickan fucking do something you've been tunneling on RC all fucking day instead of picking a side, I'm tired of your fucking waffling

So has Titus.

Why are you giving her a pass for it?

[RadiantCowbells]

So what, you saw the selfvote worked out well for me and decided to copy it?

That's funny.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact no fuck off we're not lynching Talah.

Lynch Titus.

[RadiantCowbells]

And Wiccan, let me make this perfectly clear.

If you claim to have done anything but hid behind Titus tomorrow, I'm voting you and not posting outside of prod dodging until one of the two of us gets lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unless we lynch her.

Then you can hide behind Talah or Taly.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm also really starting to question some of my townreads.

ABR, Johnny. Why the fuck did you vote me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like holy fuck neither of you have claimed to townread Titus.

I don't want to vote Jeanne either, or RC, or Titus, stop bandwagonning everybody, Taly stop screwing around with your vote, let's finish this.

No, I'm not satisfied, from me to you, your plays has been terrible. Why can't you or Titus or anyone see that Talah can be scum???

VOTE: RC

Like how the fuck does this work?

I'm trying to lynch the same person you are and you choose to join Titus, whose reads if town should be summarily ignored in this game in lynching me who you had very recently claimed as one of town's best chances of winning the game?

And Johnny, how the fuck do you go from

I don't think he's town particularly, but if your best scumreads are a tossup is the vote really convincing? No

dunno what scum pushing is, but I agree Titus is not to be trusted. Doesn't mean everything she says is wrong, though.

to

VOTE: Bells

Less enthused

Like seriously what the fuck are you even on?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm not following your votes. you follow mine.

consider it penance for trying to fucking lynch me.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Titus

Prod dodging until Titus gets lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Watcher here, on johnny.

5 guesses who visited him, go.

[RadiantCowbells]

One of those two yes.

Go for the 50/50?

[RadiantCowbells]

Guess and I'll tell you.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, it was Taly.

Good guess though.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, not really. I was just having a go.

I'm still thinking.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm still leaning Titus for her utterly absurd tunnel on me D1.

If it's not her it's probably Taly.

VOTE: Titus

[RadiantCowbells]

The game isn't 7/3

That could end up in day 2 lylo.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: unvote

I'm still probably lynching Titus today but I want more time to reread Ice.

I still don't konw how the Jeanne lynch came about.

[RadiantCowbells]

To tell the truth I'm wondering about ABR now.

I sort of wrote him out of the game a while back and now I'm regaining interest in his slot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly fuck it I don't care if Titus flips town.

VOTE: Titus

Keep flashwagoning me every game.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA is town.

I would highly recommend lynching ABR over Taly tomorrow, if it comes to it, but do what you will.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey, I'm not saying there's not at least a decent chance that we just hit scum.

But I'd want you lynched over Taly tomorrow probably.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote Taly, obviously.

FA is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

And if she's not, well fuck you all basically for your shitty flashwagon because if you're all scumclaiming you can't expect me to lynch right later.

[RadiantCowbells]

I loved you all.

[RadiantCowbells]

GG!

I thought Albert was pretty obvious scum but that was just me.

[RadiantCowbells]

No worries on the mishammer FA.

Just a game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm still really curious for either Titus or FA who seemed to have believed that Taly was scum to make a case there.

I honestly can't come close to seeing it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I was confident he was town and wanted to see FA's reaction.

I wasn't positive whether you or her were scum yesterday.

Nooooooooooo

yes.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think part of the fact was that I wasn't 100% on FA town so I wanted to claim in a way that would make her unlikely to kill me if she was scum.

I had an extremely strong case for Taly being town and I think if I had been honest about it that town would have made it in LyLo.

I also should have realized Titus wasn't scum.

That said, there's absolutely no reason ABR should have gotten away with that quickhammer.

Taly's shitty one v ones, her saying you were scum but not voting, constant defense of ice slot

None of this makes someone scum as opposed to poorly playing town.

WRT the one about myself, considering that I have a known meta of not being able to read people properly when they're tunneling on me, I think keeping his cards close on that until I can show my alignment more clearly is actually somewhat wise.

constant defense of ice slot

How is defending a worse alignment issue than the shit between ABR and Ice?

[RadiantCowbells]

It's mostly unfortunate because ABR's quickhammer won him the game.

I don't think anyone should ever get away with pulling a stunt like that on the day before LyLo, but yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Shoulda claimed Malthael with a resurrection ability on Shiro.

[RadiantCowbells]

I still think that attempted quickhammer on me basically lost us the game.

I was never going to trust Titus or Johnny after that and it took away a lot of the sting of my ABR scumread when he could act like it was borne out of resentment for that.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC fucked the town over by being one of the few who townread Ice/Jeanne day 1.

Yeah, sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides lynching Titus I have no regrets in this game.

And even with regards to that...

GG!

[RadiantCowbells]

scum chat where

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah ice, I was kinda making it hard to mislynch.

The Jeanne and RC wagons determined that that was a lie.

[RadiantCowbells]

I meant Talah, but yea

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, you were the one who yanked me off ABR day 1.

But still, whatevsies. Game's over, shit happened.

All I ask is that you realize that

1) you're not nearly as infallible as you seem to think you are
and
2) I don't play well when I'm getting incorrectly tunneled.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not acting like I played perfectly.

I went after you over ABR and I was a participant in your lynch.

But please, this needs to stop happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

I for one thought you were painfully obviously town.

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