Blitz 17: Netherspite's Blitz SORM II [Game over]

[rkvothe]

Well, I had something written up and a sudden log off deleted it all.

I agree about not claiming anything today, since we would give away info with no benefit for us.

I'm not sure how we should play this day, since I'm quite unexperiencied and also know nothing about 'breaking games'.

I'm open to questions since I can't come up with much at the time.

This day is more beneficial to scum than to town, in my honest opinion, so let's be careful about what we say.

[rkvothe]

That's the exact thing I've said two posts ago.

[rkvothe]

@axle well, wouldn't be massclaims an easier way to scumhunt? I do see the negatives, but there are positives as well, more 'meat' to scumhunt.

The pressure against errant about not being very excited is silly.

[rkvothe]

@errant

Well, it's my wird against yours, but 67 was sincere. I do admit that I'm starting to follow what should I do. Your post was helpful.

Regards 70, it wasn't credit grab at all. I've pointed it out because he wasn't adding anything new to the table, I'd say that it was a 'free post'. Also, it was the third time itbwas said. Look at my wording: 'I also agree...'. The hydra talks like he made a discovery no one knew of.

Pedit:

@yakko why'd you say that?

[rkvothe]

Yeah, pretty much. As it was scummy to 'credit grab' in my case.

[rkvothe]

@Anxiety, you are being bit hostile to me for no reason.

I didn't like ika's post, it felt like repeating stuff with nothing new. I only haven't mentioned the stuff about the mass claims. I was sleepy as hell and thought that my first post implied the same thing. You've got my reasoning.

@Wisdom, why do you townread me?

@FA, you're being really unhelpful. You have no reads?

[rkvothe]

Had some network issues that prevented me.from posting. Haven't read.everything yet. I'll report back when I do.

I'm town protective.

[rkvothe]

Had some network issues that prevented me.from posting. Haven't read.everything yet. I'll report back when I do.

I'm town protective.

[rkvothe]

I'm at page 26. FA, I'm bus driver.

I had one terrible thought, all that AA said could be considered as trying to crumb info while post restricted? If that's so, why he wasn't modkilled or something? Idk, it just felt odd. I'll continue reading.

[rkvothe]

If we can make a town action's map that ensures killing 3dice without fail, I'm in for that. If we can't, we should lynch him today.

I don't like the idea of lynching Aronis, might be smarter to shoot him to confirm if he's survivor or not. If we can add that up to the town actions for tonight, I find it smarter than outright lynching him.

I like FA for town, as well, she should make the action map and we can correct it together.

@AA you still want that no-lynch?

[rkvothe]

as in, we should use our lynch if we can meet all the criteria I posted.

I'd go for Persivul or Aristophanes until they claim.

[rkvothe]

If we do have a mm in-game, writing up what my action will be on thread wouldn't be extremely dangerous?

[rkvothe]

Or if I take an action at all... I'm feeling that I shouldn't have claimed.

[rkvothe]

Then we should make it count. And we should plan my action to act on the scummiest people we find, so as if I die, at least I take some mafias with me?

[rkvothe]

We've got a day left until deadline, though. We should wait if we can come up with some decent night action map, and then decide.

[rkvothe]

Mmm, I don't know, there's always the possibility that Nether didn't considered their votes as crumbs.

Let's get some pressure on them

VOTE: AnxietyAttack

[rkvothe]

Mk, my bad, skimming is bad.

We're looking at a probable kidnapper, then?

[rkvothe]

why don't you join me?

[rkvothe]

Yep, I'm sharing our feelings. And ika could fake it until we forget about it.

Let's see what others think about this.

[rkvothe]

Ah, I wish the others were here. If I was Nether, I wouldn't say anything and then throw an apology at the end of the game if I fucked up.

[rkvothe]

An intervention like that would be too intrusive

[rkvothe]

Nether confirmed that the blackmailed one could post votes, and could confirm he's blackmailed through posts.

The thing we're discussing was that AA also used the votes to roleclaim as jailor. If them were actually blackmailed, he couldn't do that, unless Nether was lenient to them.

[rkvothe]

I fuck the pronouns.

Nether confirmed that the blackmailed one could post votes, and could confirm he's blackmailed through posts.

The thing we're discussing was that AA also used the votes to roleclaim as jailor. If them were actually blackmailed,

they

couldn't do that, unless Nether was lenient to them.

[rkvothe]

or forgot to tell them the rules behind the post restriction.

But if Nether did everything all right, AA is faking the blackmail and didn't pay attention to 'only use votes to confirm you're blackmailed' bit.

[rkvothe]

Something random: aristophanes last post was 2 days ago, and wasn't modkilled. That's strange, too. Or maybe not, but oh well.

[rkvothe]

Sorry for so many consecutive posts, but Nether's wording about the blackmailing stuff implies that AA should have been modkilled or something if he was actually blackmailed.

[rkvothe]

I'd like Aristophanes to post something soon.

[rkvothe]

Mod:

Can a blackmailed player vote in the gamethread, or can they not post at all?[/b]

Blackmailed player can vote in the game thread, however crumbing any significant information with the votes is forbidden.

I know it is up to the mod...

...But I find this completely arbitrary. How do you determine whether a vote contains "significant information"?

The only information blackmailed player is allowed to share via voting is the claim that he's blackmailed (by random voting once or twice). No other information sharing via votes is allowed.

[rkvothe]

If we are following that, AA confirming jailor via votes = not really blackmailed.

[rkvothe]

We can only do that if we can ensure that 3dice dies tonight. Let's don't forget about that.

[rkvothe]

Then we should weigh the risk of lynching 3dice against lynching someone else.

If we lynch 3dice, who we gonna lose tonight? This can be prevented with a couple of protective roles like myself.

If we lynch someone else, how do we ensure 3dice death? How it could be prevented? scum/neutral killing being dicks?

If we actually end up lynching someone else and flips scum, what are the odds that they'll prevent the 3dice death just to fuck with us? Scum can get no benefit whatsoever, but neutral killing could.

Can we trust scum/neutral killing not to fuck with us?

Maybe lynching 3dice is the safest thing we can do.

[rkvothe]

I'm ok with that.

[rkvothe]

@AA you sure don't have anything to

say

about our thougths on you faking that blackmail?

[rkvothe]

Nah, but who knows, maybe he can make something up for lying to us before the day ends.

[rkvothe]

Why welcome?

I should say something about my day 1 here. I was V/LA on a trip that I wasn't expecting. Was phone posting and fucked up most of my sentences, I can't concentrate as well as on my pc.
I didn't want to announce I was V/LA because I didn't want you to think I was copping out of the arguement I had with AA.

[rkvothe]

And also had my ip address blocked from posting for some reason.

[rkvothe]

Persivul and Aristophanes


pedit: pingu pingu

[rkvothe]

Say the 3 of us who claimed protective protect wisdom, what would happen? I'd redirect the other protective roles to the other target as well? Would that leave wisdom open for death if someone else chooses to kill the target?

My role is confusing as fuck in some situations.

[rkvothe]

I'll mind my bussiness somewhere else, then.

VOTE: 3dice

I think he's at L-2 now.

[rkvothe]

I think I was roleblocked as well?

I've redirected ev
Ery action on Wisdom onto Persivul

[rkvothe]

Then?

I didn't receive any notification as well

[rkvothe]

But Sensei claimed government

[rkvothe]

And I'm protective. Why are you not neutral killing?

[rkvothe]

Oh, you're right, though. I thought it was only protective.

Why did you liked me for scum rather than Sensei?

[rkvothe]

AI, this is the 3rd or 4th time in 20 minutes that you called someone scum.


PEdit:

@Axle There's always the possibility that the one targeted for the kill was Persivul and that I accidentally redirected that kill onto Wisdom. Or there is a role that ignores my ability? I'm gonna go read the role's pms now.

[rkvothe]

Also, we really need to lynch 3dice

[rkvothe]

No, I haven't, that's why I answered what I answered.

Also, redirections can be counted as roleblocks? If it is like that, we got a serial killer and not a mm

[rkvothe]

Wait, I think I know it. I have found scum.

5th's the charm

[rkvothe]

It'll be lovely if Aristophanes and Persivul could come here to share their thoughts.

[rkvothe]

You're not confirmed to be town, though. I do believe he's scum, but I feel it'll shed some light if he was here to say at least something.

[rkvothe]

^ @AI

[rkvothe]

Go ahead, if you please. I'd like to note that there are only 4 town alive, and make it 5 if yakko amned into a town role. We're in a dangerous position to be randomly shooting people who are less scummy than other alive people.

For instance, yakko and aronis claimed neutral benign, and with FA being Jester, one of them is fake. Also, if the shot you claimed is real, Aristophanes is more likely to be scum. And if 3dice was real, random as well.

Are you sure you wanna spend your action on me?

[rkvothe]

Town Government -- Wisdom (Mason Leader)

DEAD

Town Investigative or Protective -- ErrantParabola (Town Bodyguard)

DEAD

Town Investigative or Protective -- rkvothe (Town Busdriver)

(not confirmed)

// Randomidget

(not confirmed)

Town Killing or Power -- Ranger (Town Spy)

DEAD

Town Killing or Power -- Anxiety Attack (Town Jailor)

DEAD

Town Random -- [k/p] AlwaysInnocent (Vigilante)

(not confirmed)

Town Random -- [gov] Sensei

(not confirmed)

Town Random -- [prot] Axle

(not confirmed)

[rkvothe]

Being this low quantity of town roles, is there any chance we can actually lynch every threat and still be alive? I'm a bit scared about that.

[rkvothe]

I do know that. There's a high chance that he's scum, as well, so I'm not counting on him confirming me at all.

[rkvothe]

I claimed Bus Driver last day, are you surprised now?

[rkvothe]

Axle and me could perfectly be both protective. The odd one here is randomidget.

[rkvothe]

If we believe 3dice, random is neutral killing or scum. And we got all the townies somewhat sorted out. Unless Persivul is town a¿who never bothered to claim (or to post).

[rkvothe]

I left out them because they didn't claimed. That's just an updated claim list.

[rkvothe]

But we can't afford lynching town, so I won't be mislynched at all. We can discuss all what we want today, but we gonna end up lynching 3dice, imo.

We gotta make a leap of faith or lose trying.

[rkvothe]

But we can't afford

the risk

lynching town, so I won't be mislynched at all. We can discuss all what we want today, but we gonna end up lynching 3dice, imo.

We gotta make a leap of faith or lose trying.

EBWOP

[rkvothe]

Hah, I like how you don't even think I'm for real.

Let me say that again for you: If 3dice failed to convert randomidget, we got our fake town claim, and we all would fit in a town list IF Persivul isn't town.

[rkvothe]

And we can assume he's intentionally lurking since we all got night actions and I don't think that Nether would let him get away with not even doing that.

[rkvothe]

Since we got 3 deaths last night, I'm not feeling very comfortable about our chances.

[rkvothe]

It's fun, but not effective, since we all won't be converted at the end of the day.

So, if you were redirected, we only got the scum kill and the mm/sk kill, so one of the scum is a beguiler. Awful alike to survivor. That'd make Aronis a probable scum, and yakko an actual amnesiac.

[rkvothe]

at the end of the game*

[rkvothe]

Ah, shit, nevermind, you targetted Aristophanes, not Aronis. My bad.

[rkvothe]

If he's amnesiac and already switched, he could only be town, since last night only Ranger (Town Spy) and AA (Town Jailor) were dead. If he didn't switched, I'd be concerned.

[rkvothe]

Aaaand he didn't swtich. Role PM says that if he succeeds on switching, it'd be announced in thread that amnesiac remembered his role.

[rkvothe]

Some of us did not survive the night.

We found

Frozen Angel

dead in his home last night.

She was ripped apart with several rounds from a high-caliber gun

.
She was a

Jester

.[/b]

[/area]

This sounds like a vig shot, so we can almost certainly confirm that Aristophanes is a beguiler.

[rkvothe]

Well, Nether said it could have something to do or something like that.

Also, I'd like to analyze the night 1 actions. We had only one death there. I guess you didn't shot? And if we can say that mm killed Ranger, what happened to the scum nightkill? Anyone can shed some light on it?

[rkvothe]

I didn't redirect anything night 1.

[rkvothe]

You hear shots ring through the streets...

You hear the horrifying cacophony of a chainsaw through flesh...

Wait, if we can reason with flavour, the scum night-kill went through, but the MM's didn't.

[rkvothe]

She was shot at close range. After that, she was attacked once more

Or targetted by both scum and mm.

[rkvothe]

I'd like to know everyone's night actions, anyways.

[rkvothe]

Ah, you were right, that was discussed in day 2, sorry.

Now that I give it some thought, I think that the night 1 analysis is not that useful after all.

No harm for more info, though.

I'll redo mine:

N1: No action
N2: Redirected everything on Wisdom onto Persivul.

[rkvothe]

PERSIVUL, I KNOW YOU'RE THERE. COME TALK TO US.

[rkvothe]

Alright, I'm starting to be pissed off by the lack of activity of some players here.

VOTE: Aristophanes
VOTE: Persivul

[rkvothe]

Join us with your vote, maybe he'll post something if we manage to get him to L-2 or L-1.

I'd prefer not to get him to L-1 because a quickhammer

will

fuck us if he's town or neutral.

[rkvothe]

Ugh, the more I look at that list, the more fucked I feel we are. How we gonna manage to get rid of all those scum, mm AND cult?

[rkvothe]

Yakko, Aristophanes and Persivul were active in the last hour.

I'm about to cry.

[rkvothe]

Sensei, if you're Marshall, those 3 lynchs may be extremely helpful.

[rkvothe]

I agree.

Maybe that's why nobody is posting?

[rkvothe]

Axle, what do you think?

[rkvothe]

Start with claiming your category, at least, then you can read up.

[rkvothe]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but what are you trying to say?

That we should definetly lynch 3dice and our thoughts last day were stupid or that we should lynch mm/sk and kill 3dice at night?

[rkvothe]

@Randomidget

I haven't seen it that way, but it makes an awful lot of sense. Then, who do you think he targetted?

It's entirely probable that he tried to cult you and failed, though, let's don't discard that.

[rkvothe]

@Axle and your thoughts on what random just said? One of us could totally had been culted, like AI, you or me.

And that AI and I haven't noted that earlier and agreed that 'the game was figured out' give us a nice layer of wifom.

We can always lynch Random and see if AI shoots 3dice to be sure we get a potential neutral killing and cult, just to be sure.

[rkvothe]

I think he claimed prot or inv

[rkvothe]

Protective here, don't trust FA with the night actions. I have enough experience to help wirh night actions but probably shouldn't be writing all of them up.

Yup, protective.

[rkvothe]

Damn, you're right about the beguiler stuff.

Then what happenned to AI's shot? That could mean:

a) Actually vig and something happenned to him. We know it wasn't a roleblock or a swap.
b) Never been a vig and fooled us.

[rkvothe]

@random

So, it would have been between EP, you, AI, Axle, Aristophanes or me.

So:

a) Culted EP, and failed cause he died.
b) Culted you (as he said) and you're actually cult as well.
c) Culted you (as he said) and failed because you're neutral killing.
d) Culted AI, Axle or me.

From probability, imo:

a = c > d > e

[rkvothe]

ebwop

a =c > d > a

[rkvothe]

Well, I guess we needed to see who was the blackmailed one.

Sucks it's Persivul.

If he has read everything, I find it too easy to vote 3dice right away.

[rkvothe]

@Yakko, Aronis, Sensei

Please post, we need to see if we have another player claiming blackmail.

[rkvothe]

Well, there are 3 more people who claimed invest/protective, so yeah. Pointing that out doesn't makes too much sense.

And it's YOU pointing it out, I hate wifom, but it could totally mean you're trying to divert attention about the possibility of you managing to cult someone who's not random.

I don't know, my head's about to explode.

Please, Sensei, be Town Marshall and announce it already.

[rkvothe]

and if Axle didn't think about that, seeing he's payed attention to stuff that flied over our heads, there's always the possibility that 3dice managed to cult Axle.

Idk, I'm just throwing stuff around, I'll re-read some stuff and wait for the silent players.

[rkvothe]

aww, don't leave us hanging like that!

[rkvothe]

I like you, though.

If you're thinking I'm a witch, you're reading things wrongly, if that has anything to do with your revelation.

Sleep tight.

[rkvothe]

We've got a gf for sure since we got, according to nether's first post: 1 Godfather, 1 Mafia Deception and 1 Mafia Support. We could have both a Mafioso and a GF, so, yeah.

[rkvothe]

AI, you claimed investigative? Weren't you a vig?

[rkvothe]

Oh, ok. I was checking your ISO and you claimed vig from the get go.

[rkvothe]

You're not 100% confirmed yet, we need to know what happenned last night.

The FA kills is odd, and you could have been culted by 3dice as well.

[rkvothe]

You'll lose your vig powers from today and beyond, since the culting happens last at night. You could have shot and then converted.


PEdit:

N2: Redirected everything on Wisdom onto Persivul.

[rkvothe]

I guess so. And everyone targetting Persivul was redirected to Wisdom.

[rkvothe]

So if my action went through, someone tried to kill Persivul.

But it doesn't make sense to me.

And I didn't got any notifications about it.

That's why we were waiting for Persivul to claim if he was notified of the bus driving or not.

Thing he can't do because he's apparently blackmailed.

[rkvothe]

Or scum/mm knew I was going to swap Wisdom and took a blind chance targetting Persivul.

We were extremely unlucky?

[rkvothe]

ok actions decided so far

We go NO lynch

Bussdriver will redirect all the actions on wisdom to one of this pool {erra , AI , Persival , Aris }

wisdom tagert 3 dice
protective if healer heal wisdom
Jailor will jail and execute aronis

still working on ...

Was following that. I was surprised MM didn't target me.

[rkvothe]

Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier.

Errant was killed directly, not by protecting anyone.

[rkvothe]

So we can assume the following:

FA: Killed by AI's shot somehow or MM
Errant: Targetted and killed by MM? (If he visited Errant, they could have killed Wisdom as well, but wouldn't that kill me too?) // if not, killed by SCUM.
Wisdom: ???

[rkvothe]

Nah, disregard that, it doesn't make sense.

I'm drawing a blank there.

[rkvothe]

uh...

[rkvothe]

AI, you were neutral killing all along?

[rkvothe]

uh...

[rkvothe]

I'm confused as fuck right now.

[rkvothe]

And why would yakko claim mm?

And why would he follow your vote?

That's what's confusing me.

[rkvothe]

Is it because we have no chance of winning?

But if Sensei is a marshall, we can lynch 3dice, yakko and someone else?

[rkvothe]

Okay, makes sense now, thanks for the clarification.

For now I'll wait for Sensei to post, then I'm willing to lynch 3dice.

[rkvothe]

And Aronis suddenly appeared out of nowhere... uh...

Once again, I'd wait for Sensei before ending the day with the 3dice lynch.

[rkvothe]

I'm more inclined to believe Yakko's claim than Aronis' claim, if it helps.

The only thing that I don't like about Yakko is that he claimed amnesiac before.

If Aronis really didn't want to play anymore, I don't see why he pmed his night action to Nether, unless he didn't and he got randomized.

[rkvothe]

Nevermind the last part, thought that Survivor had a visiting action.

[rkvothe]

3dice, you have a different win condition than us, we can't entirely trust. Yaou could be lying about who you converted

[rkvothe]

Anyways, it's a loss-loss for us unless sensei is marshall. As yakko said, if he's not marshall we just can decide whoae day we ruin.

[rkvothe]

And what do you think of axle?

I don't mind you scumreading me, I'll obv end up voting whoever we need to win.

[rkvothe]

Aris claimed, I think investigative, but I'm no so sure. Check his iso.

[rkvothe]

I've been wondering that the whole day.

I'll slow posting since I'm on a tiny as fuck phone.

I'm with Axle here. #1 seems fine.

[rkvothe]

Yeah, I've pointed it earlier. We assumed MM at first because FA claimed the.n1 sounds belonged to mm. But they''fe applicanle to sk as well

[rkvothe]

tl;dr

1) please, be marshall.
2) read axle latest posts

[rkvothe]

if you're marshall ill cry of joy

[rkvothe]

ah, well... just the last pages. most of what was said earlier was ai and I sharing thoughts.

[rkvothe]

VOTE: randomidget

[rkvothe]

Converting to cult is night's last action

[rkvothe]

lol, keep reading.

[rkvothe]

as I've said to sensei, you don't need to read.everything.

read the early day and the latest pages, then get back here and share your.thoughts

[rkvothe]

TBMK?

[rkvothe]

Nevermind.

I say we wait for Aristophanes to finish reading, then proceed with the lynch.

[rkvothe]

We had an extensive talk with AI which pointed many possibilities of the mafia team, but I know I've said you could skip that.

We thought it's formed by {Aristophanes, Persivul, randomigdet/aronis} if I remember correctly. I'll dig that up when I get off work.

[rkvothe]

@Aristophanes, read Axle's latest posts.

[rkvothe]

You're scum, anyways, you could not bother.

[rkvothe]

Wow, scum is in the same wagon!!!!

[rkvothe]

I love you, Axle, you bring tears to my eye.

[rkvothe]

I'd end this day asap, imo, I don't want scum/sk/mm predicting our night actions. Vote up!

PEdit: we gotta vig 3dice, though. Also, ^

[rkvothe]

Well, you say we delete scum from existence and let cult win? I'd prefer that rather than scum winning, since 3dice was a bro the whole day.

But the slim chance of winning we have is we lynch 3dice.

[rkvothe]

Ah! Sorry, yeah. Thought we were lynching random because he was neutral killing, but it's all the same.

[rkvothe]

Yeah, I won't change the wagon based on that.

[rkvothe]

So, if you're not gonna cult we can safely lynch scum and vig scum? Too good to be true :/

Mk, if you both say so...

VOTE: Aristophanes

[rkvothe]

We did? I was looking into that.

Who else voted Aristo?

3dice, Axle, Sense, Me and who else?

[rkvothe]

So the 2 votes we need are from AI and real survivor? Mk.

We gonna do Random or Aris?

[rkvothe]

not fully understood, but noted. I'll be careful

[rkvothe]

Nevermind. Ok!

[rkvothe]

Yakko is claiming survivor as well.

L-1 now.

[rkvothe]

Yep, he claimed amnesiac first, then counterclaimed you today.

We'll deal with that the next day, though.

[rkvothe]

Check his ISO if you can't be bothered to read all the pages from today.

[rkvothe]

No offence taken, you're doing enough for us today.

[rkvothe]

Let's see if AI comes and votes before persivul, random or else come to grab some towncred while hammering their buddy

[rkvothe]

Oh, lol, sorry Persivul. I've always redirected everything towards you, haha