Open 621 (C9++): The ZAR SHOW S1 Holiday Special - OVER!

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i'm an annoying spamposter sorry not sorry

[Lucky2u]

You went from "let's lynch AI" to "let's lynch texcat; she is textbook scum"? You have a shocking amount of open and shut cases ready to go.

Looks like scum going after

low hanging fruit

in order to prevent scum buddy BBT's lynch.

You had zero votes...

reposting because dead townie texcat was right on the money

Yea no.

Just because they were town doesn't mean they were right. They had zero pressure and no votes. They were not low hanging fruit. Maybe if she had made different choices she'd still be alive.

[Kmd4390]

Yeah, I'm with Yos on the most recent Yos/BBT exchange. BBT calling Yos' posts an attempt to discredit feels ridiculously manipulative. I like Yos' post 531 and think BBT should do that. It should be easy if he's so sure Yos is scum. If BBT is town though, I don't like Tex's sheep vote.

kmd can you explain how you got from here to starting the tex wagon, and why you never actually voted for bbt?

I don't see where anything changed. BBT was scummier than Yos. Still is. Tex was also scummy. They didn't seem like buddies though and I chose Tex. Today, we had four flips worth of info. That info points to Lowell or BBT in my opinion. I chose Lowell. I am fully aware how bad I'd look if BBT flips scum. I'm fine with that because I think Lowell is slightly more likely to be scum. The fact that there is basically zero push for anyone but BBT supports that. If he is scum, so be it. I'll get lynched next. I'd understand that because it would mean my reads haven't been perfect and I've been too vocal about flawed reads and bad for town. Looking at dead players, I was right about ABR, but not confident in that. I was right about Kop, but again not very confident. I was dead wrong about both Tex and Always. If BBT is scum and Lowell is town, I was wrong about which way to lean today even though I wouldn't be completely shocked if that were the case. But my point is, yeah I know I look bad if BBT is scum and I don't really care. I just want to lynch scum and I think Lowell is more likely to be that scum than BBT even though BBT is probably going to be today's lynch. I'm not blind to gamestate.

You went from "let's lynch AI" to "let's lynch texcat; she is textbook scum"? You have a shocking amount of open and shut cases ready to go.

Looks like scum going after

low hanging fruit

in order to prevent scum buddy BBT's lynch.

You had zero votes...

reposting because dead townie texcat was right on the money

She had zero votes.

[Lucky2u]

Lucky - if AI had been lynched instead of texcat, who would you have shot?

Between ABR or one of BBT and Yos to settle that debate.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll be here in a few hours.

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i'm more interested in the part that says "in order to prevent scumbuddy bbt's lynch" since that is exactly what happened. you managed to drum up a wagon from 0 to 60 at deadline which directly removed the noose from around toffee's neck, and today you've decided to selectively read kop's iso to pursue lowell instead of bbt. so yes when bbt flips scum you die next and then we lynch lucky if the game isn't over, and then the town wins. thanks!

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i believe focusing on the tex calling herself low hanging fruit instead of tex calling out kmd for saving bbt with the 11th hour counterwagon is known as a strawman argument

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"but she wasn't low hanging fruit, she had zero votes!"

*ignores the facts about the counterwagon*

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obviously her fruit hung low enough that you were able to scare up a lynch in like 48 hours

[Kmd4390]

i'm more interested in the part that says "in order to prevent scumbuddy bbt's lynch" since that is exactly what happened. you managed to drum up a wagon from 0 to 60 at deadline which directly removed the noose from around toffee's neck, and today you've decided to selectively read kop's iso to pursue lowell instead of bbt. so yes when bbt flips scum you die next and then we lynch lucky if the game isn't over, and then the town wins. thanks!

I have no problem with this stance.

i believe focusing on the tex calling herself low hanging fruit instead of tex calling out kmd for saving bbt with the 11th hour counterwagon is known as a strawman argument

I think focusing on bolded print is known as pretty natural. Also, I didn't ignore that part. I've said I'm fully aware how I look if BBT flips scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

vote: lucky

Didn't expect this.

Two things jump out at me:

Kop kept his vote on Lowell for a long time. Lowell now looks more town.

Agree with this.

Kop tried really, really hard to convince everyone that Yos vs BBT was "town vs town", and to argue against anyone who wanted to lynch BBT. He had a big debate with Anen about that in one of his last posts.

Obv disagree with this. I think you're exaggerating the amount of effort Kop put into that, and either way, he could quite easily have just been defending you as he was defending me.

Furthermore, as someone else pointed out, if you are in fact town, it was best for Kop to stay to the side and let us go at it.

toffee is obvscum too though

You should stop this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

unvote, vote: toffee

This I expected.

So calling you vs BBT town vs town twice and saying BBT being an info lynch sucks = doing everything he can to discourage people from lynching BBT, specifically? Even with 22 posts, that's not much. Could the arguement be made that he didn't want you lynched either? BBT only got one mention without you and it was when a BBT lynch was being discussed. I mean, yeah I'm playing devil's advocate here, but it's because your word choice feels like hyperbole and it's not the first time I've felt that way about you this game.

I'm really not sure how I feel about Kmd defending me despite not town reading me the last I knew.

and he put Lucky on his scum list. And that's literally all he did.

Lucky could be scum.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Has to be the vote here I think. The tex wagon looks like a textbook counterwagon after the AI one failed to combat the BBT wagon.

This game becomes infinitely harder when everyone is attacking me and I'm paranoid about the person who is defending me.

I'm inclined to agree that Kop/BBT make sense as a scum team, but don't want to actually but Toffee at L-1 as I don't want a quickhammer occurring.

Can you not do this? Like, all of my town reads think I'm scum.

What's your reasoning for kmd scum? I did notice he was the leading vote on both of the late day wagons D1, which happened to both be conf town now.

started the texcat wagon out of the clear blue sky while pushing up against deadline with toffee in immediate danger of becoming the lynch. and he's just generally scummy, i've been suspicious of him since p much the beginning.

Yeah, Kmd could be scum.

reposting because dead townie texcat was right on the money

Except for she wasn't? Low hanging fruit is not someone who has 0 votes.

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let's not retread the was she low hanging fruit or not argument again, k? she had zero votes and then two days later she was lynched. so she was an easy enough target obviously.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, I'm caught up.

I'm going to reread Kop's ISO and then I'm going to do some VCA.

[Lucky2u]

let's not retread the was she low hanging fruit or not argument again, k? she had zero votes and then two days later she was lynched. so she was an easy enough target obviously.

One has nothing to do with the other. You are being super ignorant today.

[Zar]

Day 2, Votecount 2

BlueBloodedToffee (3): Yosarian2, roflcopter, acryon

Lowell (1): Kmd4390

Not Voting (5):

shaddowez, Lucky2u, Lowell, BlueBloodedToffee, Aneninen

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch or to no lynch.

Deadline

: Monday January 25, 2016 6:00 PM  New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2016-01-25 19:00:00)

[Lowell]

VOTE: BBT

I don't think we're going to get anything but stalling from BBT here. I'm also not particularly worried about him being at L-1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is going to be a short day phase.

Umm, I need like 24 hours to do what I need to do.

[Lucky2u]

This is going to be a short day phase.

Umm, I need like 24 hours to do what I need to do.

K

[Aneninen]

I still don't have enough time but I need to point out something even if it may make me look bad.

Yos, you mis-quoted the things in your 1008. Kop's 991 was an answer for Texcat's 754. I didn't take part in that conversation (although according to the quote it looks as if I had done).
Also, there were quite a couple of players thinking your argument with BBT had been town-vs-town, including me.

My current thoughts are coming later. BBT doesn't seem to be a bad lynch but I don't think we should end the Day so fast. I too need some time.

[acryon]

I still don't have enough time but I need to point out something even if it may make me look bad.

Yos, you mis-quoted the things in your 1008. Kop's 991 was an answer for Texcat's 754. I didn't take part in that conversation (although according to the quote it looks as if I had done).
Also, there were quite a couple of players thinking your argument with BBT had been town-vs-town, including me.

My current thoughts are coming later. BBT doesn't seem to be a bad lynch but I don't think we should end the Day so fast. I too need some time.

I agree with all of this.

[Kmd4390]

Prod dodge

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so Kop's ISO.

461 is unlikely to be a bus so town points for Lowell. 470 makes it likely that Lucky could be scum, typical scum tactic of fos buddy, vote town.

That's pretty much the main part of Kop's ISO which is pretty shitty, he barely interacted with anyone or did anything. It does, however, highlight how much Yos has exaggerated Kop's posting in order to justify his continued vote on me. Yos should be looked at after my lynch.

OK, onto some VCA.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, I don't know what's happening here.

I'm copying/pasting my post into here and for some reason it's saying my message doesn't have enough characters and it won't let me post. WTF?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mod? Never seen anything like this before, don't know what to do.

It's letting me post as long as I haven't copied in the VCs. Even if I attach a load of nonsense onto the end of my post it still won't let me submit it.

~.Ill send Thesp a note ~~~.Zar