Mini 1755: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 1.08

Raskolnikov (3): Ircher, Performer, Keyser Söze
Pisskop (2): AlwaysInnocent, Deus Asmoth
AlwaysInnocent (2): Heat, pisskop
UpTooLate (1): lilac
Ircher (1): Raskolnikov

No Vote (4): UpTooLate, massive, AxleGreaser, Boonskiies

With 13 players living it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-01-20 12:00:00)

NOTES

Seeking replacement for lilac

[Keyser Söze]

Interesting observation on Deus Asmoth's behaviour.

wrt this^^

"Interesting"/scum-indicative behaviour - massive has highlighted possible opportunistic play by Deus Asmoth.

[pisskop]

Hows about you just admit that what I said and what you said were not the same thing and focus on something that isnt pushing me for being a meanie, enh? You do someting worth townreading, Ill townread you.

I like how you furthered the game with that post. Im glad thats the one thing y6ou pulled from my posts.

I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

Right. So you didnt get that gist from my own posts?

Ill make sure I explicitly say it from now on. I usually try to leave just enough out for people to make the logcial leap.

[pisskop]

^^not being a dick, just not really getting how best to interface with you.

[Ircher]

VOTE COUNT 1.07

Pisskop (3): Burning_Earth, AlwaysInnocent, Deus Asmoth
Raskolnikov (3): Ircher, Performer, Keyser Söze
AlwaysInnocent (2): Heat, pisskop
UpTooLate (1): lilac
Ircher (1): Raskolnikov

No Vote (3): UpTooLate, massive, AxleGreaser

With 13 players living it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

TIMER

6 days, 18 hours, 54 minutes

NOTES

Burning_Earth and lilac have not yet responded to prods.

Personally, I'm thinking the most likely scum canidates are: Book (who replaced Burning Earth), Lilac, Ras, Heat, and Pisskop.

Since this is 13p setup, I would imagine there is 3 scum in this game.

[Keyser Söze]

Why Boonskiies and lilac?


Yes, there are 13 players, so we should expect 10 town and 3 mafia for balance.

[Boonskiies]

This is too early to say 'this is not pisskop's town game'. He's posting a lot and the fact that he's front and center int he action is the opposite of his 'not town game'. I've been scum with him before; he doesn't say anything to draw attention to himself.

[AxleGreaser]

Hows about you just admit that what I said and what you said were not the same thing and focus on something that isnt pushing me for being a meanie, enh? You do someting worth townreading, Ill townread you.

I like how you furthered the game with that post. Im glad thats the one thing y6ou pulled from my posts.

I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

Right. So you didnt get that gist from my own posts?

Ill make sure I explicitly say it from now on. I usually try to leave just enough out for people to make the logcial leap.

and if they make it it means they were reading... and thinking and working shit out.
same/different happens with my posts....

^^not being a dick, just not really getting how best to interface with you.

not being dick or alignment indicative on either end of that, trying to best work out how to get an interface to happen so i can read the interactions.

[AxleGreaser]

kaiser you have asked me various "leading", questions on "A vs B".
And yourself get to ideas such as this one interaction is not a SvsS (distance, fake buddy or ...) so then you have to work out if its TvT or TvS or SvT...
I don't work that way,

I will be responsive give my reads on the regions of interest indicated. Then well see where we are at.

Spoiler: My unusually long absence...

yeah that is quite a long time for me without real input to the game. Niormally I am hiow can you miss me if i wont go away kind of player. (See current sig yeah the linked post was very /s)
I have now had some sleep, and ought have the kind of level headeness to play

normal

mafia and make the kinds of judgments required in this game again. I have for a little bit been overdrawn by external events to this game.

[Ircher]

Why Boonskiies and lilac?


Yes, there are 13 players, so we should expect 10 town and 3 mafia for balance.

Their slots have been replaced. Scum are more likely to be inctive than town.

[pisskop]

wat?

[AxleGreaser]

First
because it is the least important (today) thing, so I am doing it and getting it out of the way.

My question was more about whether I should expect Keyser Soze to be a teacher / leader of newbies as town, and to have an example of that, not to get an idea of his general meta.

This is nudge nudge wink wink kind of post, i specifically don't want to open the can of worms. (The thread is moving towards people I scum read, this would swim in some other direction, but is a valid line of inquiry)
if I assume, you'd like to have that meta for town wincon related reason, and not social curiosity. (some people do social in game, but i think your an eye on the ball player.)
Then perhaps Id like the meta that doesn't exist for perhaps the same reason. Id suggest meta from when he wasn't an IC (who then has duty to do X) would actually fit my bill better. This is NOT for me a D1 problem. The point of this post is we both now have some hope this idea >

if it becomes more relevant

< is certainly alive D2 and beyond. Watch.

@Thread

if you want to interact with me about something, go pick something else.
If you get all whatever about this "interaction" with massive, I will be quite fine with making a bunch of others.

[AxleGreaser]

TLDR:

While I might rank the active players (Axle, Keiser, PissKop, AI, Ircher) from scummiest by play to least scummy by play....
They might well all be town.

I was actually starting to wonder if

all

the scum were standing over there where you have recently been standing. If you are town you could move even further, if you are scum I advise taking more risks.

TLDR: TLDR:

@Rest of thread.
Come on in the water is fine. Hardly any sharks at all.

In case some people dont read between the lines well.

The above post means.
At that time I wanted to look for some (or all) of the 3 scum, outside of "active players (Axle, Keiser, PissKop, AI, Ircher)" Who

might

all be town.

This post

I dont support the Pisskop wagon. It has no reasons, that I see.
I fully expect my next vote to be outside the pool {Keyser, Pisskop, AI, ircher}

(which was dont support. AKA Agreeing with 78 )

updated by this one

I dont support the Pisskop wagon. It has no reasons, that I see.

correction.
oops sorry hadn't read 96, Ive been grappling with my Ircher read.
Still not voting pisskop at this time.

Which while it acknowledges that 96 is something, I am not voting pisskop at that time.

At worst, hes scum and there are two others. It certainly wasnt enough to get my vote as well as kaisers sheep vote.

I am still as priority looking outside that group, but have not yet evaluated the PK vs everyone interactions after that.

All that and lots (probably too much is still coming).

[AxleGreaser]

My meta related read on Pisskop. (it is neither deep nor extensive but it is what I have)(if others have better do share)
I am going to word this little clumsily, so as to avoid being tooooo offensive.

Defining a term TYDADTA (Things you do a double take at)

Spoiler: TYDADTA

In 28 Kaiser posted a GIF of guy doing a double take. If you get every post any good player could post that GIF at these are TYDADTA.

Pisskop reacts to TYDADTA, you might even say he does "not suffer fools gladly" although
the response is perhaps not accurately described as anger.

In this game

Spoiler: post from another game

:Subject: NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]


does commuter trump asshole sala? serious Q

Pisskop reacted "badly"/strongly to TYDADTA (Sala had been priming people willy nilly and claiming they would die and making lots of noise. He was actually a 2 shot vig but at the time, that wasnt known just Sala was being quite TYDADTA, shitting up the thread by being noisy.

Pisskops sarcastic insulting post was publicly interpreted by some, as a commuter claim. Pisskops regarded those with ignore. => He saw no need to explain things to those fools either.
you might even say he does "not suffer fools gladly"

There is long painful exchange leading up to this (lots of not suffering fools)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7216779 and then the replace out a few posts down.
You can read it if you are masochistic, it may be hard to have the right feel of it if you were not in the game, and frustrated by similar things to what he was.

and no the play in this game is not a carbon copy of it.

However significant parts of Pisskops play in this game, in the presence of significant amounts of TYDADTA,
makes more sense to me having played in that other game.

More detailed analysis of specific points in Pisskops play yet to come.

[Dierfire]

droog replaces lilac

[droog]

hey guys

[pisskop]

o.o

[droog]

just looking at this page its all about pisskop
thats great but what about everyone else

[droog]

Strange that Axle asked Keyser about fake claim, during RVS. Never seen this happen before.

its random questions instead of random votes

[droog]

Spoiler: AxleGreaser's conclusions

Things i learned.
You're not tilted about them. I considered that a possibility.

Things I didn't learn.
Whether you are more opposed to them than I am.

Strange that Axle asked Keyser about fake claim, during RVS. Never seen this happen before.

Yeah, it seemed a bit uncalled for. Not sure what to make of it.

The timing of his question makes this question

null-indicative

for me. We're all strangers, it was still RVS - I presume AxleGreaser is trying to find out more about the new faces he does not "know". This is not AxleGreaser aiming to discern my alignment through his question. If he had thrown this question further down the line to me, in order to push it as an alignment indicative factor... in that case, it would be suspicious.

VOTE: Axle for asking about fake claim when he is a very experienced player

VOTE: Performer

like this post

[AxleGreaser]

just looking at this page its all about pisskop
thats great but what about everyone else

For my part of (focussing on)/addressing the pisskop question on this page...
yeah and as my position is I suspect all 5 mentioned earlier might be town, i will be getting to the others once I have dealt with the topical issue.
Going out for bit, ...
(currently wet finger guess says: I am way less than half way through what i will be saying soonish (next 24).)

first glance. like what your doing so far.

[droog]

I suspect all 5 mentioned earlier might be town

?

[droog]

I really think it is rather suspicious you start jumping on me when I made a simple statement

this is wrong
keysey said "please show me" and "please tell me"
not really "jumping" espeically in rvs

[droog]

FOS: All those people quoting CM Punk into the game thread

FOS: Performer for complaining about player activity in a game starting on the freaking weekend.

jumps in the game after things have happened
has clearly read it
ignores the most interesting parts

[droog]

not even page 3
ircher looks really scummy

the only thing stopping a vote right now
is that ircher is newer and probably not in the swing
still really think keysey hammered him