NY 193 : Werewolf Mania (GAME OVER- TOWN WIN)

[BlackStar]

That's not what happened last time lol

[SnarkySnowman]

The only obv town is xkfyu. Everyone else is playing weirdly

Kind of agree.

[Fraggernaut]

Vote Count 3.2

Blackstar (4) - Almost50, pisskop, Some Random Mafia Player, SnarkySnowman
BeBopAReBopRhubarbPie (1) - Xkfyu
pisskop (1) - Nero Cain
Some Random Mafia Player (1) - Masquerade
Almost50 (1) - Blackstar

Not Voting (5) - Zulfy, Keyser Soze, BeBopReBop RhubarbPie, Golden Robster. RadiantCowbells


Deadline is February, 17th, 2016 at 6:50 AM EST.

[BlackStar]

Almost, pisskop and SMRP were all on Ricastle's wagon too. Interesting...

[Almost50]

Almost, pisskop and SMRP were all on Ricastle's wagon too. Interesting

Yeah, and on TBR's too. Selective memory?

[BlackStar]

No, I just looked at Ricastle's again to compare the votes. I didn't look at thebluerose's. I guess I could do that now

[BlackStar]

So Firebringer said we were dumb for not believing he was the seer. You guys were immediately willing to believe him after that and voted tbr. I was kind of skeptical but chose to listen to him anyway. I'm just wondering why him saying we were dumb was what made all of you suddenly trust him.

[SnarkySnowman]

It was pretty simple - Blue Rose was scum, and FB was seer, or Blue Rose was town and FB was scum and the obvious next lynch. As town, that's something worth testing.

[RadiantCowbells]

I forget if this is the game where I wanted to vote PK or not.

[BlackStar]

eff off blackstar.

we lynch PK today.

[pisskop]

lol @ black taking the least tangent post about me rc has made. Totes not cherrypicked

A better post to quote would be the one where you called me a good seer cheeck

[RadiantCowbells]

lol @ black taking the least tangent post about me rc has made. Totes not cherrypicked

A better post to quote would be the one where you called me a good seer cheeck

read on me?

[pisskop]

Still probtown for waffling

[BlackStar]

lol @ black taking the least tangent post about me rc has made.

Totes not cherrypicked

A better post to quote would be the one where you called me a good seer cheeck

Yeah, it wasn't

[Xkfyu]

What happened to everyone saying they were going to wagon me today?

Why did you change your minds overnight?

I was only going to wagon you if Ricastle flipped scum.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

so you care more about surviving then finding scum? But dont you win if you find scum?

[Xkfyu]

@ Keyser Soze ,BeBopReBop RhubarbPie, Xkfyu, Golden Robster, Blackstar

Who would you lynch today out of piss, SS, Masquerade, RC and Zulfy

Zulfy, without a doubt.

[Masquerade]

Sorry for the wall.

I read up and so far I only have 1 read. SRMP, scum, not answering questions asked of him while he's quoting posts in which they were asked.
I'll spend some time on iso's later....

VOTE: SRMP

1 read in a 60 pages ewww.

I also don't see him (SRMP) not answering questions. If not answering questions is a scumtell to you then why are RC and Snarky not scumreads for you?

If you are read up why do you need to read iso's

I read up since I last posted but I forgot who posted what, it's a big playerlist. So that's why I have to do iso's. My lynch is more of a placeholder than anything serious, SRMP does seem like the best target to me but that might change after I did iso's.

doing ISOs

Masq = Scumlean

Brings little to the table, and I felt that he kinda maybe knew Ricastle would flip town?

Ok. Ok. True. I didn't.
That's very non-committal you do here. Are you testing the waters to see if a wagon on me will work?

I like Almost in 1523 and 1524

Wow lol, Masquerade's reason for voting Ricastle was that he just "wanted the day to end". Somebody said earlier that nobody in this game is acting like ten and I can see what they mean

What's 'acting like ten' ?
And yeah, I jumped the Day 1 bandwagon because I felt there was no way I was going to be able to catch up in time to make any kind of decent read before deadline. And Ricastle was acting anti-town and not sharing his reads so I don't feel bad either.

Nobody but me ever acknowledged this. I want to know the reason why

Ok, but why did you have to be pressured into analyzing the wagon then?
And then you hammered it anyway?!?

Im sure there is a scum or two on it. Most mislynch wagons do have them. Focusing on them, especially after you hammered and are now only raging about it when you catch a wagon on yourself is a little disenguous.

So yeah, agree with this.

So you're basically admitting that you're not paying attention to the game at all? Let me quote this again for the second time

Hammer, Black. The only way we're going to get an alternate lynch at this rate is if the entirety of the town not on my wagon consolidates on Piss/Almost; that or a NL. So you judge for yourself how likely that is to happen in less than a week the way things are going.

Meanwhile, my wagon is almost certainly scum-infested, and will be prime VCA fuel if it goes through as it is. It is potentially even entirely pro-town to hammer if it results in focused pressure on those players.

He asked me to do it so I did. He and I thought that this would make it obvious that the push against him was probably by scum. And that post wasn't me reluctant to vote him. That was me wanting to show him that he's not invincible. But apparently everything I say is scummy, so that was an invitation for more people to join the wagon on me

If this is the case, then why did you have to be pushed into analyzing the wagon?

I don't agree with Snarky's scumread on Almost.

But you're acting like my contradiction ankles me scum. If I was scum, it would be idiotic to contradict myself so soon after making a post like that. I only did it because it's what Ricastle wanted . The fact that I was willing to hammer after saying that shows that I am town

Not really. If you're scum you could have still hammered and planned to say the exact same thing.

a mafia that cant kill, sk thast cant kill,

Mafia that can't kill?????? Never heard of it.
And a Serial KILLER that cannot KILL?????

Mafia that can't kill: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65107 I just finished this, I was scum in it and we didn't have a kill. We did have a cult that suicided when trying to recruit scum.
A SK that can't kill sounds more like a survivor to me...

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

Yeah no this is bad. If the accusations are incorrect, then why waste time on defending yourself? It would help you and us more if you scumhunt instead so that if you do flip, we have content to look back to (like you did on Ric after some pushing)

Well I'm the first half of the game you have me bad vibes and in the second half you felt more like town. Some I'm not sure whether you're good or bad

What gave you bad vibes? What made you change your mind?

So Firebringer said we were dumb for not believing he was the seer. You guys were immediately willing to believe him after that and voted tbr. I was kind of skeptical but chose to listen to him anyway. I'm just wondering why him saying we were dumb was what made all of you suddenly trust him.

His slot claimed Day 1. There was no reason to not trust him. How do you feel about this:

If I were Fire and were scum at this point I'd fakeclaim a guilty on someone who isn't getting lynched otherwise or whom we suspect is PR.

BlueRose seems like a legit check though and I don't see the point of fake guiltying it.

What happened to everyone saying they were going to wagon me today?

Why did you change your minds overnight?

I was only going to wagon you if Ricastle flipped scum.

Huh, why?

[BlackStar]

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

so you care more about surviving then finding scum? But dont you win if you find scum?

Can you stop putting words in my mouth? At the time of that post people were making new posts against me like every minute. How could I scum hunt if every time I replied to one post there was another one in its place asking me something?

[Xkfyu]

and why townread SS off of 1 game meta?

I'll answer this FOR ONE MORE TIME: NOT ONLY the 1-game meta, but ALSO bc I scum read MORE than there possibly should be scum roles in this game. It's a process of elimination COMBINED with what I've seen from him in that game, plus HIS READS ARE CLOSE TO MINE (except on me, of course ).

OK, let's disregard his previously posted reads and concentrate on the last 4: RC is town: agreed. PK is town: agreed. BS is scum: agreed. Almost is scum: I only disagree bc I know that I'm not, but if he doesn't see it that way then he is entitled to, bc I did indeed act scummy on D1.

So, I will say we agree on 3 and only disagree on the final result of the 4th, but still agree some of the content was indeed scummy.

First off, you're using my line. I said a long time ago that I had way more scum reads than could possibly be in this game. Repeating something that a player who is being town read by EVERYONE said doesn't give the impression that you're town. It gives the impression that you're a parrot.

Secondly, there are exactly 0 good reasons in your post for you to be town reading SS.

Not only is meta reading a player a terrible idea in the first place, but you're doing it based off not just a small sample size, but the smallest sample size possible, which is guaranteed to be the least statistically accurate sample size.

Also, Your process of elimination is flawed. That's also a guaratee. It's proven by the fact that you have so many scum reads that you have to be wrong on some of them. And if you're wrong on some of them, you can't be confident in any of them. The process in which you come up with scum reads is necessarily flawed if it's giving you false positives.

You said before, when SS was town reading you that one of the reasons you were town reading him was because you agreed with all his reads. Well, you don't agree with all his reads anymore, but suddenly you're giving him this margin of error. What you're doing is drawing a conclusion first, and then forming the evidence to support the conclusion that you want.

UNVOTE: BebopAReBop

VOTE: Almost50

[Masquerade]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Blackstar does have a point when he says he's still here answering questions. Would like to go for Snarky first. I don't believe he did iso-reads at all. All the reads he came up with from it (me, RC, Pisskop and Blackstar) were all discussed this day already. If he really did iso-reads I'd expect reasoning with his reads, not just statements of town- or scumread.

[Xkfyu]

Almost, pisskop and SMRP were all on Ricastle's wagon too. Interesting

Yeah, and on TBR's too. Selective memory?

What does that have to do with anything?

[Xkfyu]

I like Almost in 1523 and 1524

What about the other 162 posts that he's made that are just plain awful?

[Xkfyu]

In post 1639, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 1494, RadiantCowbells wrote:
What happened to everyone saying they were going to wagon me today?

Why did you change your minds overnight?

I was only going to wagon you if Ricastle flipped scum.

Huh, why?

Because his case was ridiculously weak, but yet, he was still so confident that Ricastle was going to flip scum. The only possible reason that he could have been so confident is if he actually knew he was scum.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Because I am town and he's pushing hard for my death. Not that hard to follow

Pedit: I can't scum hunt because of the nonstop barrage against me

so you care more about surviving then finding scum? But dont you win if you find scum?

Can you stop putting words in my mouth? At the time of that post people were making new posts against me like every minute. How could I scum hunt if every time I replied to one post there was another one in its place asking me something?

you cant do both at once?

Besides, just defending yourself and not scumhunting still isent helpful to us, as it doesent help us find scum.