Mini 1755: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 5.08

Ircher (2): AxleGreaser, massive
massive (1): Ircher
AxleGreaser (1): pisskop

No Vote (1): Heat

With 5 players living it takes 3/5 votes to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-02-28 08:00:00)

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[Heat]

imo its between axle and ircher. I've decided i want to flip ircher

will hammer in a bit, to let ppl post thoughts if they want

[Heat]

ok then
VOTE: ircher

[pisskop]

gfdi.

dumbass

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Heat ISO Notes

1. When I brought up PL, Heat responds with 114 117, 162, and 204 -

When looking at it, I still see a "Ircher doesn't look genuine here, so I'm going to test him" type motive from Heat here. Regardless of the case, I see a genuine reason for Heat to express suspicion of me here, and that healthy suspicion leads to a townread.

2. The associative case of 194 by Ras also leads to a townread.

3. 198 does not look like scum asking scum questions. -

Again, what I see motive wise here is Heat wants to know why Ras gives him a bare townread. I don't see any hidden pretexts here.

4. Early on, AI expresses a scumread of Heat for "opportunistically voting Ircher". The logical reaction as conducted by Heat is to scumread AI, esp. considering AI wasn't supporting his read at all. -

Again, you notice the pattern -- even if Heat may be wrong, etc, Heat has yet to show any scum motive in his actions.

5. 1049 by Heat follows the pattern.

6. 1417 by Heat is an example of a concept called "empathy". -

What I like a lot about this post is the fact that Heat was not only able to consider the possibility I was town, but he also thought about how he would react in such a position. Sure, scum could make such a post, but when the target is very likely to get lynched eventually, that just seems like it's making scum's job harder. The way Heat was able to see my perspective and think about it from an unbiased perspective really makes me townread him. Empathy is a concept I think Boon couldn't understand well this game.

So, my strongest townread right now is actually Heat.

I've already explained my view of PK though I gotta keep in mind he can be sneaky at scum, aka, someone to look at during lylo.

Finally, I have a mild townlean on Axle as I don't see him pushing a scum agenda. Unfortunately, his analysis of stuff is a good way to keep suspicion off of him. Now that I spilled the beans about Axle and tonights nk, I wouldn't be surprised if scum choose a different target. (Thanks a lot, Axle )

That leaves me with Massive. Massive has done very little scumhunting and partially wants to lynch me just because I added in a part tellling him not to hammer Axle. It is no unheard of for someone to just go hammer someone early, so I added it as a precaution to allow Axle some time to speak, and what I get out of it is apparently a scumread (granted its not the only reason) and a L-1 vote.

@PK
I'm fine with an Axle lynch but would prefer a Massive lynch. Massive looks more opportunistic in his voting of me than Axle does. Axle has at least explained his read whereas Massive is not expressing his views well and continues to use his meta as an excuse for providing virtually zero useful content. While with all the other slots, I actually see good reasons to townread them, I do not with Massive.

Assuming:

1. Lynch Massive, Axle NK'd --> I would lynch PK next simply because I'm town and PK acts the same regardless of alignment.

2. Lynch Massive, Someone else NK'd --> I would lynch Axle

3. Lynch Axle, I'm NK'd (doubtful) --> Lynch Massive

4. Lynch Axle, Massive NK'd --> Would reexamine evidence. (PK may not have a motive for NKing Massive)

5. Lynch Axle, Someone else NK'd --> Lynch Massive

6. Lynch Ircher, Axle NK'd --> Please lynch Massive

7. Lynch Ircher, Massive NK'd --> Please lynch Axle

8. Lynch Ircher, Someone else NK'd --> Please pick your poison

9. No Lynch, Axle NK'd --> No Lynch again, but wait til 36 hrs before deadline

10. No Lynch, Someone else NK'd --> Pick your poison (don't no lynch)

Last of all --> Wanna know why I don't think I'll be nk'd? Simple --> It isn't too hard for scum to present a case against me and get me mislynched.

[Ircher]

Crud. Got hammered an hr ago......

[Ircher]

@Axle : Simple --> Opportunism.

@All --> My dwath wish 6,7,8 from above.

[Ircher]

@PK --> I am 70% sure Heat's town. Seriously, would not recommend lynching him lylo.

[Ircher]

Last of all -->

USE YOUR TIME TOMORROW

. Don't be stupid, actually do stuff, discuss, etc before deadline then make a decision 36 hrs from deadline or later.

[Ircher]

No voting tomorrow in LyLo til a concensus ~36 hrs from deadline.

[Dierfire]

D5 FINAL VOTE COUNT

Ircher (3): AxleGreaser, massive, Heat

massive (1): Ircher
AxleGreaser (1): pisskop

No Vote (0):

[Dierfire]

D5 has ended.

Ircher (Vanilla Town)

was lynched.

N5 begins now. Players wishing to submit actions must do so before the deadline.

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(expired on 2016-02-29 21:00:00)

[Dierfire]

N5 has ended.

Heat (Vanilla Town)

was found dead.

D6 begins now.

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 6.00

No Vote (3): pisskop, AxleGreaser, massive

With 3 players living it takes 2/3 votes to lynch.

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(expired on 2016-03-10 22:00:00)

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[pisskop]

*CLAPCLAPCLAP*

thanks for that heat

[AxleGreaser]

Todays Mechanics:
I will be VLA, the next two weekends

Spoiler:

In my TZ, I will be leaving in about 72hrs Fri morningish.
And then again on the day of the deadline, but only just.
So I dont see an actual problem

[AxleGreaser]

*CLAPCLAPCLAP*

thanks for that heat

So Pisskop if by some chance you happen to be town and have acquired this magical certainty who the scum is by error on your part,
then you need to pull your head out of your ass and try communicating.

You could start by communicating:

How you went from (performer to UTL)

Spoiler:

vote: performer

Can we get some progression here?

Id lynch utl too

No. You get back on this wagon.

To UTL

vote: utl

and while that might be plausible as there are intervening posts

Why,

Spoiler: decision to 1v1 massive

pisskop you got 20 minutes to make me believe UTL or I'm hammering Performer.

Thats shit stop being a bad player.

If you hammer Ill come after your head tomorrow

Good. 1v1.

How did this suddenly supersede your UTL read?
What about what happened is scummy?
Why have you refused to explain why you have your reads?

In the earlier parts of the game that can at times have utility, but lately persuading town to vote how you want, is what its about.
True by playing the
Ive got secret I know why X or Y is scum and you don't because you are dumb.... lets you crow louder later if you happen to be right and your ego is fragile enough to need that sort of thing

But in order to win, you do need to persuade people.

Of course if you are scum, you can try to emotively persuade people by calling them dumb for voting people who are town, and then hope that in order to avoid you calling them dumb again they will just sheep you.

[AxleGreaser]

@massive

yeah there will be some

So yeah, N cornered shootouts are fun The good the bad and the weird (I give it at least 9 of 10 on the two headed rubber chicken(weirdness) scale)

oops wrong link

Stand off

and I claim weird and or ugly. <

and no I dont have the map. Scum have that

>

[AxleGreaser]

@massive yeah I dunno what the eyeballing will be yet, I will need to find something.

[AxleGreaser]

Another procedural post.

@Massive

Spoiler: theory

As was mentioned recently the prisoners dilemma is a thing. A naive first order analysis of the pure mathematical problem as posed it has no good solution for the participants
A similar but different version of the game has options.. and strategies. The iterated prisoners dilemma

(barring bad blood and pregame grudges, which i am unaware of and saw no signs of.) In terms of voting we are stuck in non iterated prisoners dilemma.

However our play during the day can have iterations if that is useful, and i think it is.

Application to the current situation.

As previously stated Massives town read on me is based on thinking similar things as is mine on him. This si especially true when they think things I didn't say yet.

Me finding more of those would strengthen my town read on Massive further. But those self same ideas are ones Massive wants to keep hidden to see if I think them and he can check i am thinking what he is but has not said yet.

hence the dilemma, who discloses what first?
The solution is to base play on the iterated prisoners dilemma and the Tit for Tat solution/strategy.

@Pisskop

You are umpteen turns behind in disclosure... and transparency.
If you wanna be even in the game.... play the game.

[AxleGreaser]

@Massive

At some point, we ought/could arrange our time schedules to play some iterated prisoners dilemma in real time at blitz game speeds.

[pisskop]

wrong answer. as the final townie Im the one whos deciding the game

[AxleGreaser]

wrong answer. as the final townie Im the one whos deciding the game

Wat (for a start I didnt answer anything. So far today I am the only one who has really said anything)
pfft.

There are two townies left, and i am one of them.
and rather obviously you claim to be one them as will massive.
All thats both boring and IIOA.

Your post is bravado instead of Analysis.

This is still true.

@Pisskop
You are umpteen turns behind in disclosure... and transparency.
If you wanna be even in the game.... play the game.

[massive]

Hrm. I expected to be dead. I'm reading and thinking, brb.

[massive]

I'm up and active, Axle. My active time is from 7a to 4p Mountain (GMT-7)

I want to go back and re-read the actual lynching of UTL.