Micro 580: Shortnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

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From what I've read, RadiantCowbells often aggressively cases others. I've only seen a game where she was cult leader, though.

And trying to stop the "I'm civ and will vengekill you" tag line isn't selling your case.

I've only played in one completed Newbie game but two people did this in that game and they were both Town. One was mislynched, and was the doctor. This isn't a scumtell.

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No, they just said things like 'I'm Town' or 'I'm part of the uninformed majority trying to figure this game out'.

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Ah, that's what you meant.

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All I've been able to discuss so far is about Group 1. I wouldn't be surprised if the scum in my group is lurking this out.

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Yes, but I meant like lurking the entire thing and not just the very beginning.

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There's still confusion? I mean not making very much contribution and just watching to see what happens.

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lol defending someone you view as scum doesn't make me suspicious

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lovelygiant, I feel like you're trusting RadiantCowbells too easily. No hesitation, you're just following along with her. I agree that Radiant is the least likely scum candidate in Group One, but your following her feels like buddying. Also,

It does to me, if I'm certain they're scum. lol

Town wouldn't be this confident this early in the game about the identity of the scum.

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In early Day One, Town shouldn't be as confident as lovelygiant is.

Chenoan's opening was bad, but that's really all I can see in the case against him.

Also, VOTE: Ranger for not participating and not leaving a reason for participating.

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Ranger, what does that mean?

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UNVOTE: Ranger
I believe this vote has done it's job.

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I didn't know there was a V/LA banner.

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@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

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@TIMU: Are you saying that your vote on Ranger was simply a pressure vote and wasn't meant to be serious?

Yes.

Interesting. What kind of goal were you trying to accomplish? Simply to get Ranger to post? What about Ranger's post satisfied you?

Yeah, I just wanted to hear his thoughts on the game so far. That and the fact that he had a V/LA banner satisfied me.

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lovelygiant, what's your history with playing Mafia?

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Yes, new to Mafiascum, but you never posted experience in general. Just answer the question.

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Okay, so you're somewhat experienced, which makes it unlikely that you're noobTown. That means you're either really cocky, sheepy Town in early Day One (a rather unlikely combination) or scum.

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Okay, so you're somewhat experienced, which makes it unlikely that you're noobTown. That means you're either really cocky, sheepy Town in early Day One (a rather unlikely combination) or scum.

you left out the possibility of me being right, conveniently. although I am cocky.

I can't help feeling cocky when it seems like I'm right. And I can't be sheeping when I stated my own reasoning for suspecting Chen, instead of just copying RC. I even made an effort to test RC's innocence with the hammer switch (if you bothered reading that) and was pleased with the results. so by PoE, I have to suspect Chen. I'm not left with much other choice.

Nah, I didn't leave that out. It is a possibility for the first option.

Um, not hammering isn't proof of innocence in this setup. And yes, I bothered reading that.

I didn't know there was a V/LA banner.

I might discount your slip-up about my post considering it's the second time you didn't read thoroughly, so I can't be sure that's alignment indicative. It might just be your overall playstyle. Something I recommend you work on nonetheless.

It is, read N1667.

From what I've read, RadiantCowbells often aggressively cases others. I've only seen a game where she was cult leader, though.

And trying to stop the "I'm civ and will vengekill you" tag line isn't selling your case.

I've only played in one completed Newbie game but two people did this in that game and they were both Town. One was mislynched, and was the doctor. This isn't a scumtell.

it is noteworthy that your first post in the thread was used to discredit RC and I after we started voicing suspicion on Chen, yet you managed to not mention Chen at all, possibly to avoid being too forward in your defense.

RC, I know this is going to seem like more buddying, but I'd like your insight on this.

I wouldn't call it a complete defense, just something I wanted to point out. Don't want you guys making up your minds too early, do we? I read bits and pieces of Radiant's other games and that's something Radiant does as both alignments.

And it's alright, you can ask others for their thoughts without it being buddying. I'm going to reread now, and see what I can find in Group 1.

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Ok so I read the first two pages and you guys are scumreading Chen for a bad RVS (which is a valid reason), not understanding the setup (see most of page one), and his playstyle so far. I can't understand how this scumread is so obvious.

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...And then he looks like Town in his posts on page 3 or 4. Like seriously, the only actual scummy thing he's done was overreacted to being voted in RVS!

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No, we suspect you, obviously.

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To explain further, if I think you're scum why should I care who you're suspecting?

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To explain further, if I think you're scum why should I care who you're suspecting?

I suppose if you want to play that way, you can. But that's a really shitty mindset to have, in my personal opinion. At least try to pretend you're scum hunting—you know, that thing I've been doing while half the players avoid this game like the plague.

I messed up, the first post was all I needed to explain my thoughts.

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I still exist, don't worry. I'll go indepth on everything that's happened once I have time, but for now I'm starting to doubt my RECKONER scumread.

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This really doesn't feel like scumhunting.
What answers were you looking for, Reck? How could TIMU have responded such that you'd think that he's town or scum?
Like I really get the feeling that this is more trying to look busy and scumhunting than anything real.
Meta, so what? Like urgh.

What kind of questions do you believe "qualify" as scumhunting? I try to poke and prod wherever I can until I get solid reads, that's just how the game is played. I find it hilarious you think my actual questioning/consistent thoughtful points on the game are "trying to look busy" but have said nothing about Ranger's empty reads with no scumhunting behind them (like, objectively).

Reck, go back and explain where your read on me was through this game.

First, you get to explain why you're giving Ranger a free pass with the copious amounts of shitty shit he's producing.

This feels like frustrated Town. Scum would focus on defending themselves rather than attacking Ranger.

Referencing you own meta as a defense is self-metaing in my opinion.

You're wrong.

It wasn't being used as a defense of the meta itself -- someone asked "why are you doing X" and I was going "because I had this bad experience in another game" and pointed to what happened in the other game for reference.

That seems like self-meta to me.

What's so flimsy and scummy about Ranger's trajectory?
Like if you're town you're getting fucking nowhere with being an obtuse ass about it.

I've literally made posts about why I find Ranger's reasoning and posting iffy. Empty reads list, no reasons, fill in the "reasons" later, never explain the "why" behind any of it -- it reeks of arriving at your conclusion before actually having any real reasons for thinking that way, and that fits with scum wanting to control the narrative rather than town wanting to figure out the narrative ??? I've been pretty explicit about my reads, I'm so sorry if you're not reading the fucking game

And that's the point? Stripping game context from your positions is something scum do alot to avoid making errors due to cogdis.

oh you mean pretty much exactly what Ranger is doing? Maybe like, not going into depth on reads or explaining the why behind stuff in order to avoid having to commit to anything? you mean like just being like "this act is scummy or townie" without explaining why it's scummie or townie? like literally removing GAME CONTEXT FROM YOUR POSITIONS is what Ranger has been doing and you're calling ME out for it??? get fucking real

Like screw you not being scum. Why should I believe that you're town? If I was in this group, why should I vote with you?
Enough of the fucking macho posturing.

Because I'm the one in this pod who has actually gone into depth on my thoughts. I'm not scared to take flak for "changing my mind" when I see things that make me think differently, I'm engaging with all aspects of the game instead of just the ones that fit my safe little narrative, and I'm the one who has the most detailed thoughts and explanations on people's motivations and why my reads are what they are. I don't just stop at "but this is scummy", I explain why it's scummy, I dig into the motivations and behavior behind it instead of couching my shitty reads in fucking cute little buzzwords and calling it a day

This entire post reads like frustrated Town to me. Reckoner is pretty clearly genuine in his read on Ranger and this post just feels so realistic.

omg did i actually make some headway

i dont know what to do now

this

never happens

nothing, carry on with how im right / have a point plz

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highly

doubt there is a scumplay in this world bold enough to act like this.

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Readslist:

SCUM
lovelygiant
Ranger (by PoE)
NOT SURE
Chenoan

TOWN
RadiantCowbells
Reckoner
TiMU

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Oh, and the order each name is in each group doesn't affect my read on them. For example, RadiantCowbells is more likely Town than Reckoner.

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lol

RadiantCowbells is pretty clearly Town, Reckoner looks like frustrated Town, Chenoan's RVS was really bad and he could be the scum in your group but everything else he's said is fine, Ranger is scum in Group 2 by PoE, and you're buddying with RadiantCowbells's reads and don't feel like Town at all.

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Your reads have been following RadiantCowbells's as she pointed out. And when did I say you looked Town? pedit: nvm about the second part

Also, I said Chenoan's RVS was the only good reason to suspect him. I still don't agree with his lynch, but he the only one I'm not sure of right now.

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The other group is a toss-up between Reckoner and TIMU.

bzzzzzzzzzzzt not happening

ill post my explanations later, busy now, but i think my thoughts are pretty clear in the thread without the need for me to repeat myself

bzzzzzzzzzzt you're one third of your group but okay.

This post seems weird to me somehow. It doesn't really have a point.

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And right before you set up the dichotomy, you thank Radiant for enlightening you. How can you claim to be enlightened about the setup and then immediately avoid applying what you've learned to instead make Radiant look suspicious?

I hope I'm not tunneling too early but that doesn't look good.

Also: I have a tendency to post in spurts back-to-back-to-back. Expect that a lot.

I should also explain that my "flooding the thread" has a lot to do with playing mafia entirely off of an iPhone 4, which makes multi-quote posts extremely tedious and difficult. So I'm forced to respond to one quote at a time. I apologize of this looks spammy but I don't have much else choice.

LG's ISO might take a bit since they have literally 1/3 of the posts in the game.

I've explained that it's because I'm a mobile user and multi-quoting on this POS phone has always been a hassle for me. But, like every game, you'll find people twisting it into an argument against me.

(Here, a multi quote, JUST for you!)

The other group is a toss-up between Reckoner and TIMU.

bzzzzzzzzzzzt not happening

ill post my explanations later, busy now, but i think my thoughts are pretty clear in the thread without the need for me to repeat myself

bzzzzzzzzzzt you're one third of your group but okay.

This post seems weird to me somehow. It doesn't really have a point.

I was getting annoyed by Reck's attitude of "I control my group! I have authority! Bzzzzt onomatopoeia!"

I guess that's just his playstyle.

And yet, Chen, you STILL had to make a comment about my postcount somehow being scummy. Tired of repeating myself.

Your wall post is not giving me what I needed from you.

VOTE: Chenoan

Unlikely to change at this point. I'm set.

As Chenoan already pointed out, you casing some of us over activity when you posted a lot of filler is scummy, not the amount of posts in general.

Unlikely to change at this point. I'm set.

You sure bro? RC might stop townreading you again.

Also, I'm not saying your post count is scummy. Saying you deliberately pointing out the activity tracker because supposedly seeing how the activity in the threads is divided can help people's reads is scummy.

You essentially, at least how I'm reading it, claimed that more posts = more town. And then you proceeded to post a lot of filler.

Keep going, though. It's making my decision easier.

The last line in this post feels kind of weird but I agree with the points it makes.

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I'm sick, so my availability is going to be limited.

Suddenly TIMU's looking towny in comparison. Jeez.

You flipflop worse than sandals.

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I'm honestly not gonna have time to finish those isos this week because a friend is visiting from out of town. But I'm pretty convinced you're the scum now.

"in comparison"

but okay, I'm not even a shred nervous. If you were playing this game even remotely wisely, you'd be wanting RC mislynched so they would be forced to pick a vengekill between us. My choice will be easy.

I thought just a few pages ago you thought the optimal play was for scum!Chen to lynch you. Interesting you flip that opinion as soon as you're under pressure.

NOW who's threatening to vengekill if they get lynched? God I didn't even threaten a specific person.

Though for the record, if we lynch two town and you kill me, it's game over.
But tbh, I'm pretty sure you just slipped hard.

This post feels Town-like.

Ranger fucking do something or we're going to lynch you.

I've already done everything I can. I've told you what I think. I think Chenoan is the scum in your group. Nothing Chenoan, you, or lovelygiant have said has changed that. I think Reck is the scum in my group. Nothing Reck or TIMU have said has changed that. I also think the relationship holds for them. Nothing they've posted has changed that. So go ahead. Lynch me. I've already explained why I don't care: because if you mislynch lovelygiant, which you are seemingly eager for, and I get mislynched, I'm going to instantly be submitting the Reck vengekill. Lovelygiant fortunately sees things much the same way I do, so he wouldn't even object. Not that it'd matter if he did, since I'd force it through his opinion regardless. Frankly I'm just waiting for the hammering votes. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing

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discuss.

This post is scummy, Town would be trying to find other ways to help.

It isn't a threat by page 11, Chen. It's a realistic outcome.

In this situation they're both the same.

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TIMU can you please hammer Ranger, thx

Not yet, we can still get some discussion out of this phase.

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Wait, when does the phase end? Six days ago (in my timezone) it said it ended in four days. How much time do we have left?

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that was posted about 6 days ago

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What does that mean?

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Oh.

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I don't believe you should be as confident as you were in your scumreads on either late page 3 or early page 4.

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I'm drunk and even I see through this bs. Lynch this plz.

OMGUS isn't any more acceptable when inebriated.

OMGUS isn't alignment-indicative, nor is it what he's doing. Go read the OMGUS page on the wiki. (thanks RECKONER XD)

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I don't think there's anyone who would vengekill you.

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This thread is really slowing down, and I don't see how we can get any more discussion out of Group Two, but I don't know if it's a good idea to hammer yet >.<

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NO-ONE IN THE GAME WOULD VENGEKILL YOU

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Oh, I thought you meant vengekill like how it's supposed to be used in this setup, silly me.

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Wow I didn't die.

K well. TIMU please be good at hammering.

VOTE: RC

I don't get why you're surprised you weren't vengekilled. I was even more universally Townread than RadiantCowbells Day One.

TIMU, do I need to do any sort of convincing here?

Well, I don't want to blindly hammer straight out of Day One and lose the game, so I recommend making some sort of case as I go reread the game.

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As of now, I'm leaning towards lynching Chenoan. I will wait for his case, however.

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I finished rereading. I'll think about it for a bit, and in a few hours I'll hammer someone.

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I actually think it might be RadiantCowbells, but Chenoan has seemed off at times as well. Ugh.

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I did.

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Oh, I didn't properly understand that part.

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Is it too late for me to not be replaced?

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You know I'm stalling this for too long and you guys are, in fact, doing the same things over and over so:
VOTE: Chenoan

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oh

Good game, and props to RadiantCowbells for fooling pretty much everyone.