Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[KainTepes]

WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW??? KUROI SAID HE IS JAILER NOBODY ELSE CHALLENGED HIM SO HE MUST BE JAILER DONT LYNCH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Almost50]

@KT: Just in case you ARE clueless, the best play by the real JK (assuming Kuroi is not it) is NOT to out themselves now.

[KainTepes]

Why?? I dont understand... if the real JK out themselves, then we can all lynch KUROI because he is telling a lie,, but now we have no choice but to believe KUROI TEPES....

[acryon]

Ugh.

UNVOTE:

[pisskop]

Votecount 1.24

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Burnign Crystal

- (4), Aneninen, KuroiXHF, kop, Mad King Ashnard

Kuroixhf

- (4) Ranger, Burning Crystal, davesaz, Almost50

Mad King Ashnard

- (1) Texcat

Texcat

- (1) Chilledtea

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Not Voting

- Kain Tepes, xtoxm, Acryon

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With 13 Alive it takes 7 to Lynch!
Day 01 Deadlne is (expired on 2016-03-05 09:00:00).

Hey mod, if I die tonight, will my effect as a jailkeeper still work?

Most actions are resolved using Natural Action Resolution. Any exceptions will be noted on Individual Role PMs, which can all be found on the wiki page.

[acryon]

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My thoughts exactly.

[Almost50]

Why?? I dont understand... if the real JK out themselves, then we can all lynch KUROI because he is telling a lie,, but now we have no choice but to believe KUROI TEPES....

BC if they out the,selves they get killed by night w/o doing anything useful for the town. If Kuroi is not the JK he will be found out soon enough. The real JK could -for example- jail him today. Then the cop (and tracker if we have one) can do their jobs well.

[KainTepes]

BUT IF HE IS JAILED AND THERE ARE NO KILLS HE CAN JUST COME THE NEXT DAY AND SAY "I WAS JAILED AND PROTECTED THANK YOU JAILOR"???? and we won't know who he is????

[Aneninen]

I know you all are going to hate me, but I can see different things.

Firstly, Ranger in her 881 is trying to convince us how obv-town she is, which I definitely don't like.
Secondly, I haven't got time to read the wall of MadKing yet. So I don't know whether that may change my read on them. KainThraddash (and maybe Almost?) liked it, Ranger did not.

Kop called me out, as for my vote for BurningCrystal. Just because I'm the first one there. I don't know what to think. I'm one of the least significant players here, frankly.
But, as for BurningCrystal. I'd eagerly scumread him weiter, but something makes me stop.
This.

This wouldn't be a problem if Anen was town. It just wouldn't.

The whole post sounds like scum-flail, but why me? I don't think they would have posted that part as scum. Yet again, I'm not that important right now, I'm very far from getting lynched, there are some townreads on me but most reads are weak, and I've hardly did anything so far. They could have named basically anyone else as scum, couldn't they? So, what if their read is genuine? Can you see my point?

And finally, that Kuroi-wagon.
Burning Crystal, Acryon, Davesaz, Almost.
I dropped my scumread on Kuroid long ago (and if my memories are correct, it wasn't even a strong one). So, what if the whole wagon is a counter to BurningCrystal?

I can't tell if this is a scumtell or not, but I don't like this. Since all players are equally likely to be assigned as town or scum, all players are alike in significance, unless they're proven to be townie or scum in any way.

And my answer will be even more terrible.
In most games I'm either a relentless tunneller or doing you–or–me fights, sometimes including fake claims too – or I'm a slowf-ck, or what could I say, you know what?
Just like the Chenjesu Broodhome starship in Ur–Quan Masters. Hits hard, hampers enemy, hard to bring it down, but slow as an obese sea turtle and by the time it gains momentum stars usually reach their next phase.
Or imagine a lorry in GTA. Carrying a motorbike. Shit, how can I explain it?

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TL;DR
I don't like either of the wagons. If I must, I'll stay on Burning Crystal. After all, what if the Kuroi–wagon has indeed been a counter? If so, who's the scum there?
I'd say, Mad King, KainThraddash or Ranger, maybe. But I don't think any of those would gain momentum.

And no, even if you know this pigeon poop gameplay from me, I'm not obv-town. What if I'm just miming this as scum? I'm aware of this.

[Aneninen]

Does anyone know the feeling when you KNOW that you could see the answer but you're simply unable to see it? I'm feeling so dumb.
Just like IRL, when I'd been searching for a spiritual answer for ages, and in the end it was told me in a dream by... Freddie Krueger.
If only I had time. At least, give me some to read that wall from Mad King.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:
Any bright ideas, anyone?

[KuroiXHF]

@KT: Just in case you ARE clueless, the best play by the real JK (assuming Kuroi is not it) is NOT to out themselves now.

You're right. It's better to lynch town.

BUT IF HE IS JAILED AND THERE ARE NO KILLS HE CAN JUST COME THE NEXT DAY AND SAY "I WAS JAILED AND PROTECTED THANK YOU JAILOR"???? and we won't know who he is????

The moment when KT is doing a better job than 49.

[Almost50]

OK.. here's what I think: I proposed 2 scum teams (scenario 12) and nobody seems interested. It's been long enough for someone to softly switch their stance. A TRACKER would know this to be true. The lack of support to my idea leads me to believe this isn't the case.

We're in either scenario 5 or scenario 10. I wouldn't expect a PGO to out themselves just to confirm the scenario, and especially so when my gambit only lasted for a very short period... OR there may nor be one in-play to begin with.

Now where do we go from here??

[davesaz]

That's immaterial to the lynch right now.

[Almost50]

That's immaterial to the lynch right now.

You may think so, but I think otherwise. You see, I've been trying to pair people up. Now I need to link 3 players together as a possible scum team to decide where my vote should go.

[chilledtea]

BUT IF HE IS JAILED AND THERE ARE NO KILLS HE CAN JUST COME THE NEXT DAY AND SAY "I WAS JAILED AND PROTECTED THANK YOU JAILOR"???? and we won't know who he is????

I am speechless. KT's best post everyone.

[chilledtea]

We don't have that many choices.

1) BC
2) texcat (my favourite choice)
3) KT (policy)
4) No lynch
5) MKA (consider him pro-town, I wouldn't participate)
6) Kuroi (Jailer claim) <-
7) Davesaz (PR soft-claim) <-
8) Almost (Weak BG claim) <-
9) Kop (Personally KT is better option and anyone above KT in this list)
10) Myself (Please don't)
11) Acryon (Consider town. Unnecessary lynch)
12) Ranger (New to the day. Not much to go on regarding predecessors)
13) Anenenien (Consider town. Think unnecessary)
14) xtoxm (slight town imo but your call)

[Almost50]

I could get on options 2 or 3. I prefer 2 for today.

[Almost50]

OK.. VOTE: texcat

[chilledtea]

VOTE: Kuroi

I don't have the time or the health to put together a long ass wall like one of the heads of Mad King has done. I just don't. I can actually highlight reasons why I am town and give reads. I am getting wagoned for unifying town wards scum lynches and it sucks. I am tired of being wagoned for telling town the smart play. I encourage town to try and unify, using my vote in that manner and I get wagoned for being too agreeable. This wouldn't be a problem if Anen was town. It just wouldn't.

Then the wagon really takes off when I highlight mka and kuroi are scum. Not a coincidence.

No one else said let's get town to unify but me. Scum are doing jack shit but flood the game and refuse to vote each other. I have found 3 of them.

Almost50 and Dave are obviously town. Same with Xtoxm. If we could please get behind one of my three suspects. I would like to think there's some hope for us and that site meta doesn't encourage just sitting on your ass.

~Titus

This is ridiculous. Even if you are town, you should always expect people to be suspicious of you. They don't know anything, and will be vary of manipulation. Everyone has different reads sometimes. This post makes it look like you are a victim of some sorts, people just didn't believe you apparently. Well, yeah because this game is about finding liars and manipulators. If you try to manipulate town by being too "agreeable" than town has no choice other than being suspicious of you.

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Kuroi

I don't have the time or the health to put together a long ass wall like one of the heads of Mad King has done. I just don't. I can actually highlight reasons why I am town and give reads. I am getting wagoned for unifying town wards scum lynches and it sucks. I am tired of being wagoned for telling town the smart play. I encourage town to try and unify, using my vote in that manner and I get wagoned for being too agreeable. This wouldn't be a problem if Anen was town. It just wouldn't.

Then the wagon really takes off when I highlight mka and kuroi are scum. Not a coincidence.

No one else said let's get town to unify but me. Scum are doing jack shit but flood the game and refuse to vote each other. I have found 3 of them.

Almost50 and Dave are obviously town. Same with Xtoxm. If we could please get behind one of my three suspects. I would like to think there's some hope for us and that site meta doesn't encourage just sitting on your ass.

~Titus

We're not scum. stahp.
You might be though.

[Aneninen]

Erm, call me an idiot, but what if Acryon is scum?

– He launched the whole Almost-case (414) and started pushing us to join it
– His readlist in 725 was very vague and dropped a vote for Kop – an only lean-scum read.
– He kept calling players dumb (eg. 788), which I don't think I've seen from him before. Also, spreading doubts on everything (eg. on Almost, Davesaz)
– In 897, this:

"I was torn on BC, and I would still prefer a Kuroi lynch I think, but I'd go Burning Crystal. [...] Consider this an intent to push to L-1. Would actually do it but I have had several games recently with quickhammers, so I'd rather not. BC should claim."

– That vote never arrived. Also, intent to push? Wow.
– Quickvoting Kuroi, 906 and that "ugh" as a comment with the unvote in 928. (It reminds me the classic "well that sucks" scumtell)
– Generally speaking, his ISO contains much less useful content than we would imagine.

I know it won't work and I know in the end I'll end up voting for Burning Crystal again, even if I'm not as convinced about that as I was before. But I don't think I would like to lynch TexCat (reasons provided before) and I'm definitely unwilling to lynch Kuroi Today.
I'm still leaving this post along with the vote here for later references.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Acryon

[Ranger]

Were there certain posts of theirs that felt town to you?

Literally every post of theirs that I've read has felt town.

I don't understand the suspicion on them at all.

[Ranger]

Kuroi I'm not fully convinced about him being scum, but the 2 votes on him are coming from players I would be willing to trust in their reads. *Scratches Head*
I'll tell you what: UNVOTE: for now. I'm not ready to vote Kuroi yet.

Also probably scum with Kuroi.

[Ranger]

Firstly, Ranger in her 881 is trying to convince us how obv-town she is, which I definitely don't like.

What.

I mean, doesn't change that I

am

obviously town, but I've made absolutely no effort until this post to vocalize that sentiment.

KainThraddash (and maybe Almost?) liked it, Ranger did not.

Wrong. I didn't like the conclusions. That does not mean I did not like the wall. To the contrary, it only reinforced my townread. But what I want is content from RC, rather than Raskolnikov.