Micro 594: One Night Ultimate Werewolf 5 (Game over)

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Game Name:One Night Ultimate Werewolf - 5
Game Type: One Night Ultimate Werewolf
Game Size: 9p

Optional Caption/Description of Game upon announcement:
If you want a quick rules recap, check out these videos:


The roles I am using are below:
Werewolf
Werewolf
Minion
Seer
Apprentice Seer
Troublemaker
Robber
Villager
Villager
Villager
Insomniac
Doppleganger

The following actions have taken place in this order (if the said roles are in the game, and not in the middle of the table):

Role Resolution Order

1.

Doppleganger

Selects another players card, and becomes a copy of that role. See chart below.
2.

Werewolves

are automatically notified who each other are, and may

not

privately communicate with each other. (If there is only one Werewolf, she selects a center card, A, B, or C ,to look at.)

Minion

is automatically notified who Werewolves are.
3.

Seer

may look at one player's card, or two center cards (A, B, or C).
4.

Apprentice Seer

may look at one of the center cards (A, B, or C).
5.

Robber

may take another player's card and replace it with his card, looking at his new card, effectively switching their alignments.
6.

Troublemaker

may switch cards of two other players without looking at those cards, effectively switching their alignments.
7.

Insomniac

Looks at his card to see if it has changed.

Doppleganger

:
If copied this

Seer

Performs separate Seer action immediately.

Apprentice Seer

Performs separate Apprentice Seer action immediately.

Robber

Performs separate Robber action immediately.

Troublemaker

Performs separate Troublemaker action immediately.

Werewolf

, The werewolves are informed of the additional werewolf, Doppleganger informed of werewolves.

Minion

, Doppleganger informed who the werewolves are, but werewolves are not informed, and the other Minion is not informed.

Insomniac

is shown own card right before day break.

Villager

No additional action but wins with town.

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Rules:

(stolen from Wisdom, who stole it from someone else, who probably stole it from someone else.)

Game Timeline

• This game will phases will last up to two weeks.
• At the end of the day or when 7/9 have voted for Nightfall, we will move to Night, and everyone needs to PM me their choice for the lynch. The player with the most votes is lynched.

General Rules

• All Forum Rules and Guidelines apply and must be followed.
• Unless your role PM specifically states you are allowed to, you may not discuss this game outside of this thread.
• You may not directly quote any private communications (such as role PMs, QuickTopics, Private Threads) in this thread.
• Do not use encrypted or hard-to-see text (including "invisible" text, text below the 50% text size option, or text hidden via BBCode).
• If you are somehow able to edit/delete your posts, don’t. If you need a tag fixed or something similar, I’ll do it for you.

Activity

• If a player doesn't post in-game after a period of 48 hours, they will be prodded.
• If a player is prodded, they have 24 hours to make an in-game post before a replacement will be found.
• If a player receives multiple prods and/or prod-dodges excessively, they will be subject to a force-replace.
• If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, let me know by either posting a notice in thread or PMing me. You should also set your V/LA status in your profile.

Misc

•

THIS

color (bolded blue) is reserved for the moderator. Do not use it.
• If you have a question, bold it inthread so I don’t miss it or PM me. The same goes if you spot any mistakes I may make.
• Above all: Play to your win condition, respect your fellow players, and have fun![/quote]

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Player List:

shos

podoboq

Fire Starter

3dicerolling

Irelandbark12

lane0168

Lowell

GuiltyLion

Alexcellent

PokerFace

bold

is confirmed.
* means prodded.

Due to the nature of the game and night choices, the game will begin when all have confirmed.

3dicerolling replaces Irelandbark12.

The game has begun.

The deadline is :(expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47)

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The game has begun.

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Important to note the doppletrouble switches before you correct?

Yes, if the doppleganger becomes a troublemaker(or any other role, their switch or action happens before any other actions.)
Previous iterations of the game on this site:

game 1
town won

game 2
werewolf won

Game 3
werewolf won

Game 4
Town won.

[vettrock]

@vettrock Reading Game 4 now. I have a few questions:

How do you play if all Werewolves are buried?
How do you play if all Werewolves and Minion are buried?

The rules in the physical copy state that if there are no members of the Werewolf team in the village, the town must agree (unanimously) to nolynch in order to win. In the case of the Minion, the town can only win by killing the Minion (although the Minion does not get the benefit of the lone wolf rule, and cannot look at a center card.) I've house-ruled a lot of this game, though, and these rules are always the most discussed.

I'd just like confirmation on what ruleset we're playing with before we move further.

re-roll if there is not at least one werewolf.

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There are no votes except for night fall in this game

What?

@vettrock

If we get majority vote on a player, does the game end with that player's lynch, or are we unable to vote for anything other than nightfall.

You can use the vote tag to indicate who you are going to vote, but the only vote that counts is a vote for Nightfall. At that point, every player will PM me a vote. The player of players with the most votes are lynched. If there is a tie, both are lynched. Town wins if at least one werewolf is killed. The werewolf team wins if no werewolves are lynched.

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: No one is currently voting for Nightfall

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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@mod If there is only one werewolf, do they get to look at a center card? In the IRL version, that's what the app has you do.

A spot on summary BTW.

If there is only one werewolf, they can select one card from the center to look at.

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: 1: Fire Starter

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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I am at work. I don't think I will have the time to read up and post tonight. Will try to read up and post friday and or saturday

@vetrock, does your game allow more than one person to be lynched at night? What are the posting requirements for this game again?

Once every 48 hours. At Nightfall I will close the thread, and everyone will PM me a vote. If there are two people that have more than one vote, and tie for the most votes, they are both lynched. Town wins if a werewolf is lynched. The werewolf team wins if no werewolves are lynched.

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: 3: Fire Starter, podoboq, Alexcellent

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, or tbe below timer expires, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: 4: Fire Starter, podoboq, Alexcellent, shos

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, or tbe below timer expires, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: 5: Fire Starter, podoboq, Alexcellent, shos, Lowell

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, or the below timer expires, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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If a minion and a werewolf both get equal votes, town still wins right?

If a werewolf and town get equal votes, and it is the highest number of votes, both are lynched, and town wins.

Town wins if at least one werewolf is killed. The werewolves and minion win if no werewolves are lynched.

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: 4: podoboq, Alexcellent, shos, Lowell

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, or the below timer expires, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

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@vetrock

Is self voting possible in this game?

No. You must vote for another player. If you refuse, I will select at random.

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Vote Count:

Nightfall: (6): podoboq, Alexcellent, shos, Lowell, lane0168, Fire Starter

If 7/9 players vote for Nightfall, or the below timer expires, Night will begin, and everyone needs to send me their votes via PM.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-03-29 14:38:47).

[vettrock]

Night has begun. Please PM me your vote for the Lynch.

(expired on 2016-03-23 06:38:09)

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There is still one vote outstanding, (shos), but I am going to go ahead and call the game since it won't change the results.

The town gathers and chooses a Lynch. The first one on the docket is Alexcellent. They string him up, and determine he is a

Spoiler: Results

Since town lynched a werewolf, they win!

Alexcellent and podoboq (Minion) lose.[/spoiler]

The mod topic with roles and night actions is here

[vettrock]

I'll run it another time if there is demand for it. I was looking forward to see the doppleganger in action, and was kind of disappointed it was in the middle.

Any suggestions regarding the roles? In some ways I think it sucks for the villagers, as you don't get as much to play off of, but I think without villagers it makes it harder for the werewolf to blend.

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Also mod - in the onuw I know, there can only be one lynch! :0

What happens if there is a tie? No one is lynched?

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I have only played online. From Thesp's original game:

The player with the most votes (and more than one vote) dies. If multiple players tie for the most votes, all tied players die. If no one receives more than one vote, no one dies. (There are some situations and win conditions that may call for this.)

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With the Hunter in play, there can be more than one death.

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When this is run again, I'd nix the ability to double lynch. I think it makes it too easy for town. As I said earlier, the party game is so much shorter that it's not plausible to build a fool proof split. The nature of forums makes this version inherently different, and I think you need to change the rules for a tie to disallow a double lynch.

Or, implement the Tanner. The Tanner is a neutral party, and only wins if he dies. If the Tanner dies, all other players lose. This could help to discourage a split vote.

I think in this situtation it turned out to be townsided because both your and alex had to vote GL, and GL and 3DR had to vote alex or they would lose in all cases. Normally, one of he scum would be able to vote somewhere else to throw it off.

I think we could try with the paranormal investigator like PokerFace suggested. I kind of like the Hunter as well which we had in the first two games. The Seer and apprentice Seer does mean there is good chance most of the cards in the center are looked at. Maybe replace the Apprentice Seer with the Paranormal investigator?

Does anyone else want to run it, and do we have enough for another iteration? I'll mod, or play if someone else wants to mod.

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Run the Pokerface suggestion?

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What about the if no werewolves, re-roll? I got that from shos, but I think taking out the possibility that there are no werewolves helps town. I do like the Minion becomes werewolf if he is all alone option. Otherwise town must circle vote to win, and minion just has to mess it up. It is like a guarenteed victory for the minion.

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Thinking more on it, I don't think having the paranormal investigator is a good idea!

While its true seer + apprentice is OP since it gets to see 2-3 center cards. You get knowledge of whats in the game through whats not in the game. Paranormal with dopple, apprentice, insomniac also looks very powerful because you get knowledge of whats directly in the setup based on actually see it. Considering that and fact we have to overlook some mechanics of the PI to avoid 5 scum (2 weres, minion, dopple?, PI) rarity, i am starting to think PI is a step too far

So I would lean towards next running containing:
Werewolf
Werewolf
Minion
Apprentice Seer
Troublemaker
Robber
Villager
Villager
Villager
Villager
Insomniac
Doppleganger

5prs possible 4 villagers posible 4 scum possible, this feels better. Subbing in a hunter for one of the villagers would not be a bad idea either. Most powerful role in game is likely still the robber though

I think three Villagers is enough. In the rare case that there is 5 scum, I don't think that is that bad. First they have to figure out that there are 5 of them without outing themselves, and second, only one of the 5 has to be killed for town to win.

Unlike the doppleganger, if a paranormal becomes a werewolf, the other werewolves and minion don't know about it.

If we go with the setup you have above, I think we could have the full Seer rather than just the apprentice.

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From the site http://onenightultimate.com/ some recommended setups for 9 players.

9 2 Werewolves, 3 Villagers, Seer, Robber, Troublemaker, Tanner, Drunk, Hunter, Minion
9 Robber, Troublemaker, Tanner, Minion, Doppleganger, Alpha Wolf, Mystic Wolf, Apprentice Seer, Witch, Revealer, Bodyguard, Aura Seer
9 Seer, Robber, Troublemaker, Tanner, Drunk, 2 Masons, Minion, Doppleganger, Alpha Wolf, Mystic Wolf, Witch

What do you think?

For the new roles:
Tanner, wins if they are killed.
Drunk switches his card with one in the center without looking.
Hunter kills the person they are voting if they are killed.
Alpha wolf: In addition to being a werewolf, selects one player and swaps their card with a designated werewolf card in the center making them another werewolf without their knowledge.
Mystic wolf: May look at one other players card.
Witch -starts on the village team. She may look at one of the center cards. If she does so, then she must swap that card with that of any of the players, including herself. Therefore, if she gives herself a werewolf card or tanner, she joins the werewolf team, or stands alone.
Revealer-looks at another players card. If it is not a werewolf or a tanner, the card remains face up.
Bodyguard-The person voted by the bodyguard cannot be killed. If they have the most votes, the person with the second most is killed as long as they have more than one.
Aura Seer- Is told which players either looked at or swapped cards, but not which action they took, or which cards.

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For the new roles:
Tanner, wins if they are killed.

Already said why I don't like this role

Drunk switches his card with one in the center without looking.

This role randomly screws someone and there is no way of learning what you now are. Don't want

Hunter kills the person they are voting if they are killed.

I am fine with this role. It can help both sides somewhat

Alpha wolf: In addition to being a werewolf, selects one player and swaps their card with a designated werewolf card in the center making them another werewolf without their knowledge.

This role screws over a player and does not really help scum much since their new scum buddy doesn't know he is scum. Don't want to play with it

Mystic wolf: May look at one other players card.

This role is fine. Should Town be wining a lot we should start running games with this to give the wolves a better chance

Witch -starts on the village team. She may look at one of the center cards. If she does so, then she must swap that card with that of any of the players, including herself. Therefore, if she gives herself a werewolf card or tanner, she joins the werewolf team, or stands alone.

I don't like this role. She could grab werewolf from center, give it to another player, claim witch and get that player and herself double lynched for the win as town

Revealer-looks at another players card. If it is not a werewolf or a tanner, the card remains face up.

I am fine with this role. I may need to change my setup idea to include this but I have a question. If it reveals a minion does the card stay revealed?

Bodyguard-The person voted by the bodyguard cannot be killed. If they have the most votes, the person with the second most is killed as long as they have more than one.

I see nothing wrong with this role. But I don't see too many instances where it would be helpful either, so meh it ok

Aura Seer- Is told which players either looked at or swapped cards, but not which action they took, or which cards.

They check one player to see if they are a power role or do they learn who all has powers?

I agree on the drunk and the Tanner. It looks like a Minion stays revealed from the description. We could house rule modify that as I don't think it would be good to keep a minion revealed.

For the Aura Seer in the actual game everyone that swapped or looked at a card puts their thumb up when the Aura Seer wakes up. Here I would just send the Aura Seer a list of players who manipulated cards.

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I think I will go with:
Mystic Werewolf
Werewolf
Minion
Apprentice Seer
Troublemaker
Robber
Villager
Villager
Revealer (with house rule not to leave revealed minion or werewolf)
Insomniac
Doppleganger
Paranormal Investigator


One of the interesting things about the Alpha wolf that I read is the Drunk can take the werewolf card from the center and that way knows his alignment, although that kind of messes with the alpha wolf's plans.

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Is PI going to be houseruled at all? Or is it going to have the ability to become a Werewolf?

I'm fine with it becoming a werewolf. Or do you think that adds too much power to the werewolf side.

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Wake order is:

0 – Sentinel
1 – Doppelgänger
2 – Werewolf (2x)
2-B – Alpha Wolf (also wakes up at 2)
2-C – Mystic Wolf (also wakes up at 2)
3 – Minionbonus pack box
4 – Mason (2x)
5 – Seer
5-B – Apprentice Seer
5-C – Paranormal Investigator
6 – Robber
6-B – Witch
7 – Troublemaker
7-B – Village Idiot
7-C – Aura Seer
8 – Drunk
9 – Insomniac
10 – Revealer
11 – Curator
Does not wake

Dream Wolf
Bodyguard
Cursed
Tanner
Hunter
Prince
Villager (3x)

So yes, the revealer is at the end.