Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[Shadoweh]

Ooh, is this going to be a tops vs bottoms game? I'm rather partial to Russians myself but you know, whoever makes the best turkey dance to us turkies..

[Shadoweh]

Hey Eagle, if you need a bailout the turks will ferry your tanks any way you please.

[Shadoweh]

If we're going into a World War situation then it actually does make sense. Armies get built at home and having to fight one person means you're not defending from the five other countries working together. None of us have enough armies on our own to backstab someone beside us. It's more interesting then I thought it would be!

[Shadoweh]

I'm sure my move will SHOCK and AMAZE. I have sooo many options here.

[Shadoweh]

As the turkeys go we flock together!
I assume everyone is allied with everyone and we will all be townie bros.

[Shadoweh]

You should be going to the Ukraine. The only thing you can do in Armenia is try to stab us, you wouldn't do that would you Rory?

[Shadoweh]

Also, Flumi, if you can put the original map with all the names on it somewhere, like the second post? So it's less confusing to find people.

[Shadoweh]

I just want to get close to you so I can join the Turkish alliance. I wouldn't dare attack you girls.

You are plenty close enough right where you are young man, don't stand outside my back door with yo' tank. I can ferry your tank around from Sevastopol easier then Armenia if we need it.

I'm not sure who all we agreed to ally with tbh, there are too many names and words, but if they want to establish some war orders...

[Shadoweh]

Radja is going to leap over me into Budapest because we're playing checkers. It is the ultimor attax ways
We haven't even moved yet. :p

[Shadoweh]

It certainly hadn't escaped my notice, no. I admit making a house in Sev sounds tempting, but where would that leave you to go?
We don't have anything formal with Russia but I'm fairly sure they don't want to fight us right now.
Positionally, Bulgaria is very inconvenient for me, you understand. I can't just go through Con like a normal Turk.

[Shadoweh]

Zulfy, all of Turkey joined the Mediterranian alliance early. :p
And yes, fleets can send tanks from anyone out there. We once made a fleet cannon that shot a tank from Denmark to Greece.

Radja, we're still good. Axxle is quite convincing and if I tried to invade you I don't think I could hold Sev anyways.

[Shadoweh]

I agree with Dan that Nyalite should move into the Aegean. There's not much reason to stay behind.

Ah, Sevestapool. I said something to this effect earlier but, what would I do once I was there? I can't move further into Russia with a fleet, and I'd hardly be able to support myself keeping it. It makes much more sense for us to fling Constantinople into Bulgaria like a bullet. I haven't done the math on whose armies are whose up there. What would happen without Bulgaria's support up there?

[Shadoweh]

Well craps. I misunderstood the game and thought I had to have a country with a. supply center to build more units. I'm an idiot. Good game all, I planned everything completely wrong

lol you do need one

Drench, do you have a reason we shouldn't slingshot you forward?
It was either make a fleet and go to the sea for me or hold for the next four years with our builds..

[Shadoweh]

@Turkey since you seem hesitant to take Bulgaria for yourself, will you support my invasion of such?

I understand your own wanting to take it for yourself but we're quite invested in wanting to get space and if you move in there it doesn't give us any more room either. Sorry that your other allies are uh, waiting for boats. We can probably move Smy's boat to a better place to ferry you/italy around though.

who am i allied with?????????????? god

Turkey is allied! I think we're allied with Greece/Italy/Tunis?? Basically the whole down part of the map. That Medagree thing whotsat.

Cephy: You and Rory fighting with me between you is so tragic, you know? But I think you need to hold otherwise supporting you holding doesn't work for other countries. I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

[Shadoweh]

Alright I've been trying to be subtle about this and it's not working so I'm going to say it loud and clear. Who's working with me? I'm not sure. If you're working with me I'll work with you. I obviously can't work with anyone working directly against the medagree atm, but since the decision making as far as our leader is concerned seems to be floundering, I'm willing to work with people who disagree with MedAgree leadership.

So, tl;dr: if you are working with me, regardless of whether or not your name is on the medagree list or not (because there seem to be people on the list not making an effort to work with me) quote this post with your country name and tell me what you're trying to do and I'll do my best to help you achieve it under the belief that you will help me achieve my goals as long as you consider them reasonable.

hey bby Ankara here we have the same goal, re Drench and Eagle gobble gobble plan <3

[Shadoweh]

I'm infinitely amused by how large this thread is and how much pressure is out there when the game hasn't gotten to a second year yet.
You can't even reach Greece, Ceph. Don't get your alliance to antagonize the people behind you when you've already got a war on your front. :p

[Shadoweh]

Are you implying you're not going to try and defeat everyone else with your allies?
It would be a threatening alliance if 2/3rds of it could move..

[Shadoweh]

Also because Turkey controls the Black Sea now, and good fucking luck ever prying that back.

Damn straight, I'm building Waterworld out here. Do you look for ways to antagonize me on purpose? :p I would be shocked if Rory was even around to change things into taking Rumania. I have been nothing if not forthright with what we're doing.

[Shadoweh]

2/3rds of our army can't even go across Austria!

[Shadoweh]

I'll be home from work in a half hour. Keep reading until then!

[Shadoweh]

Shadoweh: if you take me out you're not getting bulgaria.

Aren't we? Bulgaria is being supported into Greece. I think you'll find empty supply centers are really easy to take.
It wouldn't be possible if Serbia were fortifying you instead.

[Shadoweh]

Wow, that only worked because Rumania tried to move. I did not think that would work!
I'm sorry Eagle, I was hoping Serbia would see in time and change his orders.

[Shadoweh]

ani just watch your ass leaving your home turf unoccupied with all those MedAgree units hovering around it. I agree you're low on that totem pole right now, and I'll bet most of that western part of the MedAgree is going to get antsy real soon about not expanding for themselves while Turkey keeps growing.

Turkey has grown as much as you did! We are literally countries apart and you've still found a way to make me your main enemy, I'm impressed with you. There's not much we can do about the rest of the Med not being in position to take anything. Taking out Eagle was a kamikaze plan and we're pretty much going to storm Greece this turn so if y'all want to make progress I'd suggest not resisting and focusing on the wars you can win.

@Radja and Shadoweh:

With Shadoweh boxed in there now I would definitely recommend trying to work something out with your supply units. Potential redistribution if Radja can grab hold of another Austrian?

I'm fine with that.

[Shadoweh]

Bella, other then my previous pronouncement, what do you want to know?

[Shadoweh]

"I see a future where Turkey is in fact at my gates if I live long enough." Perhaps, perhaps, but if you spend your time encouraging your allies to die delaying the inevitable glorious future, you'll never live to see it.

[Shadoweh]

Returning to Portugal for Tunis really set me back. I just realized I can't spawn a new unit now since I'm occupying my original spot.

I've been wondering about this. Flumi, is this really how it's going to work? We can always only spawn one army?

[Shadoweh]

I would appreciate it if you'd attack Serbia this turn, Rorykins. It sounds like they certainly want to do the same to you.

Drench, where do you suggest convoying to? I was thinking we'd either support Aeg into Greece or Rumania into Serbia in return for Sev.

[Shadoweh]

Don't worry, we'll help you free up Serbia.

Bella darling, if you and OGML are really going to work with the Russians, you could always ask them to help support you into Budapest, give Budapest your place, then turn around with them to take the provinces that way..

[Shadoweh]

Yeah uh, I got you mixed up with Mario which makes a lot more sense with the orders actually. Sorry for the confusion.
I try to keep my lies in good taste after all. Still want Rory to attack Serbia though.

If we're advancing fleets this turn, we literally cannot make progress towards Vienna or Budapest with them. I'm starting to wonder if we'll be able to convey our entire army to France before Italy escapes their country. That is not the kind of decision I would just make on my own in the year 1702! I really just want you to survive.

[Shadoweh]

My current plans are to move back to Moscow and take back STP in the fall (Assuming you're cool with that Gale)

Why on earth would he be okay with that? I literally do not understand half the things people say in this game.

Other then supporting Aeg into Greece with Bulgaria I think we're just holding. As much fun as it would be to give Rory heart attacks by convoying to his backdoor.

[Shadoweh]

If the long-term relationship involves him having no centers, sure, I get that. But if you're allies now, all you're doing is sending your armies backwards and making no progress. It shouldn't matter who holds StP. I can understand why certain people would encourage that though since it means Russia spins in circles for another year.

[Shadoweh]

In the case of this game, would a butterfly sneezing over the Pacific ocean cause it to any large changes to the contents of it?

[Shadoweh]

Nah, you should probably just hold.

[Shadoweh]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, this game is going pretty well!
In that this is exactly what I signed up for. I suggest making a plan and not trying to change it in the last few hours!
For those of us not paying attention, what happened on the top map there?

[Shadoweh]

You boys and your cute struggles.

One center is pretty cool, but we could probably do better. Since Serbia is a disorderly wasteland, and I'd like to get my fleet out of the sea while we're Russian Besties, I propose this:

F Greece Hold obv
A Bul to Ser
A Rumania (that's you Rorysweets) supports A Bul to Ser
A Con to Bul
F Black Sea to Con

I'm sure Rory would like to be able to leave Sevestapool without me hanging around chilling behind him, if you need incentive to support this . It also just makes it easier for our (that is Turkey's) reinforcements to move if we're not blocking each other because we can't land on each other.

[Shadoweh]

No, I wasn't trying to convoy you. I just wanted a cool move like everyone else to do. (I should have submitted StP to Tunis or something)
gr8 pl8 m8 would r8 8/8

[Shadoweh]

Bella/Mario - y'all need to focus on your long term suvival. You could support JDGA into Trieste to keep an active ally alive. Having an army there instead of a fleet would give you an additional support unit to try to hold the line at Bud. Once Serbia falls mario is the next one in the line of fire.

You could also simply support one of yourselves into Trieste if you're that kind of person..

[Shadoweh]

Geez so paranoid. I mean if you don't want to be greedy it's true that no one's going to stop a support of JDGA into Trieste.
Aronis is on our side, he doesn't have to worry about us. :p Hard to say what he should do though, as a convoy I'm not sure how he can help the italians if they're trying to go higher. Dan can sort that out for them.

[Shadoweh]

It's like watching a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off.
You guys spend so much time worrying about whether you'll get backstabbed that you get nothing done!

[Shadoweh]

Drench, you still need support, yes?

He agreed to it earlier, so this should be a yes.

[Shadoweh]

DRENCH I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT TO DO I SWEAR TO GOD

[Shadoweh]

We wouldn't have moved anyways because the move into Serbia failed.
Honestly, this was the least harmful way to test how that would turn out.

[Shadoweh]

Hah, honestly, this is the kind of game where it doesn't have to. Alliances can work together until the end you know?
Nya, I'm thinking this job will require a tank for the future, if you please.

OGML's efforts to get Breeze to turn downwards on his own ally are commendable since the other, more logical step would be for Russia to trounce the West.

[Shadoweh]

He's just saying Aronis could have been a more effective betrayer.
Tunis is really far out, it's inconvenient for anyone to try and take. I almost regret not choosing it myself.

[Shadoweh]

Of course, besties 4 evah is my motto

[Shadoweh]

Serbia has lasted a long time for a lost cause. Maybe Flumi should ask Drixx if he's still around... <.<

[Shadoweh]

It wouldn't be. If you've been watching the negotiations, OGML is saying the Italians can have Munich, so the Italians will be too busy to attack you.
You can't randomize your action when you have to rely on one other person to take a place. I'm not being altruistic here, I don't want you to interfere over here next turn. You benefit more from gaining a supply center then you do from poking our corner and delaying until we can move more tanks into position against you.

[Shadoweh]

You wouldn't be able to get both, though, Dan. And if you do actually try to take Vienna they can Hold against it.

[Shadoweh]

You wouldn't be able to get both, though, Dan. And if you do actually try to take Vienna they can Hold against it.

Any support from mario could be disrupted, but I suspect your "friends" in Turkey want the whole of Austria for themselves...

We could. The question is whether we would, and I suspect next round we won't have any reason to. Some people are busy actually accomplishing things. It does not, in my opinion, matter to Turkey or Russia who owns Trieste.

[Shadoweh]

If Smyrna would be a dear and support me from the Black Sea back into Ankara I'd appreciate it.

Meanwhile, Rory darling, if you could support Greece into Bulgaria, we can do a little housecleaning for the year. Unless you think Breeze is going to swing into Sevestapool it would help to move Sev into the Ukraine then Galica. Holding back for so long is slowing down your progress in particular, since with two armies you can actually take places on your own.

[Shadoweh]

Sev moving up would really benefit the Russians in anything they wanted to do up there. :p
It would really help if they had a fleet though. Breeze could make one in Stp as soon as they can keep it empty for a turn, but ugh.

I also admit the public press has made this a lot more interesting.

[Shadoweh]

That's faster the moving the one from Sev to Gal but considering likely interference, you would probably accomplish the same thing with just moving Sev to Ukr, then supporting it into Gal with Warsaw, presuming Cheery goes back there. Risking a faster move would also likely take up both armies moves for Spring and Fall. I don't have a problem with it either way you want to try.

That does appear to be the Turkey situation. I don't see it taking long to resolve, though. We don't actually need help but it would make it faster and we'd owe you support in the future.

[Shadoweh]

Breeze, did you see my suggestion for moves? If Sev goes to Ukr, it frees you up to go west if you want.

[Shadoweh]

Two years is kind of a long time to wait. You can do it Dan, I believe in your will to survive!

[Shadoweh]

I'm starting to wonder if Rory knows how to move tanks forward :p
Speaking of moving forward, Nya if you would assist me in a nice sail to Constantinople..

[Shadoweh]

And I'm not doomed just yet. For example Nyalite could still enter the Ionian Spring of next year by building a fleet in Greece.

I think that sounds like a good idea for me to do as well, I was thinking along the same lines.

That's about what I was thinking as well, so many boats and so little places to sail them. Sorry that this had to happen at such an inconvenient time for you. Aronis, what are you planning to do after running all over Italy?

[Shadoweh]

You know, even if we weren't allied, none of Turkey/Medagree had the right armies to attack each other anyways.
I'm not particularily worried about Nya attacking me. That would have turkey spending another year doing nothing. Drench was definitely not inactive. :p

[Shadoweh]

Excuse me, Alfred is MY nemesis. >8(

Aren't you supposed to be working with Bella, OhGottMeinLeiben? Do you even remember who your allies are supposed to be? It's great that you're in the center of the map, perfect position for Chicken Little to run in circles screaming about the sky falling every round. Pablito is not going to move to Vienna because if Radja decides not to support Bella/Mario for the lulz, he dies.

[Shadoweh]

Lokiben, I'm a Medagree member too... <<
It's cool though, your fleet can do w/e's.

Dan, you are as always a pleasure to watch at work.

[Shadoweh]

Can we vote Matt into being Lokiben? (Ask Fluminator, I'm sure he's dying for replacements)

[Shadoweh]

Rory, why haven't you moved from Sev? :V We've talked about doing it for literal years and it's left you staying at the same center number for awhile.
If you hadn't agreed to move a few times and then not, I wouldn't be concerned. What's up?

Nya, that's about what I had planned. It might be better to convoy into Albany then Greece, but we'll see what happens in Spring.

Mist, considering you're in a fierce land battle, if you build a Fleet you won't be able to support your new territory to the north and you'll lose your fleet as fast as you made it.

[Shadoweh]

Well that's what I'm assuming is going on over there, with all the dotted lines and stuff. It looks exciting!

[Shadoweh]

Shadow, if I support Rory into Serb does that help you to achieve your goals?

As much as I'd like to say GRR SERBIA OURS, we took long enough to take it ourselves and we definitely owe Rory some more space. He's kind of like the Great Wall of Turkey right now. You yourself should probably just take Trieste from Mario and consolidate into a real country. If the plan after that is to convoy armies past you into the outside world, that works for us too, I just want to make sure that's the intention, you know?

[Shadoweh]

You can do both in one year for sure. Rory into Serbia would be able to help you into Trieste actually...

[Shadoweh]

Why are you holding and who is in Brest right now? I'm not too clear on what the situation there is.

[Shadoweh]

Why not have Portugal support you into Brest, Ani?

[Shadoweh]

Why not have Portugal support you into Brest, Ani?

Because then d3f3nd3r enters Spain and I'm in the exact same issue, because Mist has no army to sit where I am right now.

Right now Def's unit would be destroyed because there's nowhere for it to go. There's actually no way it could get to Spain. Armies can't retreat to where they were attacked from.

[Shadoweh]

Mist, you can only move to a place that borders your coast, so you can't go to Gascony from Marseilles.

[Shadoweh]

VOTE: MAO SUP A GAS -> BRE

same

[Shadoweh]

If we're going to work with Aronis, then you going into Ionian should be fine because he needs to go to the Tyrrhenian Sea.
As long as Aronis doesn't have a problem with that we can start ferrying in the Fall.

If Radja takes Serbia, there's a chance it retreats into Bulgaria, so I was thinking we should move something like this:

Greece to Ion
Bul to Greece
Con to Aeg
Ankara to Smy
Smy to Con

That way we can ferry me out and Greece can support you into Bulgaria to make sure we don't lose it.

[Shadoweh]

You can't convoy while you're on land, so being in Albany means we can't convoy.
I'm suggesting moving to Ion so we can convoy my army from Smy to Albany. Or Apu, if Trieste is taken care of.
I don't really see a reason we should be hanging back, is all. It's up to you.

[Shadoweh]

Okay Nya, but it still makes more sense to move both fleets forward, Bul to Greece and Greece to Alb, and move the tank to Con so we can triple support it into Bulgaria. I'll just keep my army back in Ankara.

[Shadoweh]

where would triple support be coming from?

I miscounted. It would be double support. But there would be three aarmies moving.
Don't make fun of my brains... <<

Mist, why don't you move that fleet down since it's doing nothing up there? Come help us make a great road of tanks.

[Shadoweh]

An army in Bulgaria is more useful then a fleet if Serbia doesn't fall. I'm not going to move my own army into Bulgaria. We're just moving you forward from Smy.

[Shadoweh]

TBH, I don't think the MedAgree really exists anymore - Aronis, Nyalite, and Shadoweh have all turned while Eagle, Zulfy, and pablito are gone, while Dan is just about gone.

Hey now! I went out of my way to make sure you took Brest. Alliances aren't just armies after all.
And actions speak louder then words.

[Shadoweh]

Breeze, what are you doing? It's not even a very effectual sneak attack you were doing there. :V

[Shadoweh]

I'll support you into Bulgaria, yeah. As you can see the northern neighbours are being hard to budge.
Greece to Ion isn't a bad idea, but neither is Greece to Albany for a few good reasons. I'll leave that up to you.
Radja, your Russian friends don't like Bella as much as we do. I do think it would take all of us combined to get through the middle of the country though.

[Shadoweh]

We didn't turn our backs on anyone, dope, we're just really good actors.
There's no reason for us not to do the same thing except with Bella deciding whether to support Radja into Serbia or herself into Trieste.
It also doesn't benefit Breeze to prod at Vienna, but who can say why puppies do what they do.

[Shadoweh]

VOTE: MAO HOLD

Vote: Mao Support A Brest hold

[Shadoweh]

Nya, I think we have enough fleets, another tank in Greece would be useful.

[Shadoweh]

Shadow what do you think of moving into apu and I will go into Tyrr?

PI can support you into Tyrr, so I think that's a good idea. Geez, I almost think we could use another fleet. But an army will be better long term.

I think we need to talk about what's going on above us, Radja. What Breeze did wasn't attaking Bella, he was attacking you via stopping Bella from supporting you into Serbia. I can't recommend she do that any longer because she'll lose Vienna. Breeze is right over you as well. I think it makes more sense to push north for both of you right now.

[Shadoweh]

So what was the excuse for interfering the first time? I think it was obvious they would do the same thing and you were stalling for time.

Considering Radja suggested allying with Bella to get to OGML, and you turned this way and away from him, warning Cheery off of a center he would have taken, well I have to ask why you're not interested in biting Germany considering it has nothing to offer you but a roadblock.

[Shadoweh]

Not this turn, you can't take Rome on your own. She's suggesting you support Tunis into Tyrr so Nya can support you into Rome in the Fall.

Rory, they aren't getting along unless you make them. :/ If you aren't willing to force Breeze to stop they're just going to keep trying to take over Vienna and Budapest.
You can have Serbia in the Fall but we need to move closer first. Nya, I'm going to suggest you support Bulgaria into Serbia and probably move the fleet from Alb to Adr. If Rory is willing to support you into Serbia to destroy the army we could move the tank from Greece up too.

[Shadoweh]

I'm not really one to force people into doing things. I'm not OGML(no offense)

I really want Serbia now so I can move up from Sevastopol too.
I will support Nya into Mario's territory next phase, to make up for it.

I'm not asking you to trick anyone. Inaction in this case is saying you're willing to watch Bella get eliminated. I don't believe you should do that to your allies, that's all.

You're going to have to stay still in Serbia anyways in order to hold it. Where would you move from Serbia and Rumania that you need to go now instead of waiting a season? There's going to be the Serbian army in Albany so we can't get you there to ferry. It's up to Nya but it would be better if we get one of our armies across before you controlling Serbia makes it more complicated to cross north.

Which reminds me that I miscalculated a bit and Greece should just support Bulgaria into Serbia and not move so the army doesn't go there.

OGML, you are always my favorite. Even if we must be enemies.

[Shadoweh]

The problem right now is that Bella can't move into Trieste because if she doesn't support Vienna it gets taken.
We can certainly move her to Trieste but it's a retreat option at this point. He could support her into Trieste from Serbia, that's not the problem. I just think we need more armies up there if we're going to make sure she keeps it. I admit I'm also concerned that if Rory moves forward so will Breeze, into Sev.

This would not be an issue if Breeze wasn't looking down in the first place. And Russia wouldn't look bad all colored a pretty green.

[Shadoweh]

See the best case would be Breeze turns around and goes after Germany but for some reason the devil dog doesn't want to bite there. :p

[Shadoweh]

If you're willing to trust this guy, Radja, we can triple support into Serbia, I would just prefer to move the Bud tank first and then move you in after.
Like I said earlier, if we move you forward now you're effectively stuck there anyways with nowhere to move because you've got to hold, and the opportunity for us to move past, well passes. It's kind of important for us to not be on the other side of you so we can maneuver into this.

[Shadoweh]

I am a creature of efficiency and all these alliances make me go crazy a little. I just want this to WORK like a MACHINE of TERROR. @_@

[Shadoweh]

Alright, so Nya, you can either move into Serbia or support in Rory, I'm just saying I will literally cry if we don't forward march, I feel S T I F F L E D

Also I support MAO holding, it's safer for the both of you.

[Shadoweh]

>.> I told you you had to support Vienna! Oh dear, this is pretty awkward now.
Can Vienna go somewhere besides Tyrolia? I don't think Serbia can go anywhere but Albany either.
THE INEFFICIENCY OF THIS YEAR IS GIVING ME HEARTBURN.

[Shadoweh]

Just imagine all my posts in a shrill hysterical voice right now.
I COULD KILL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU IF ONLY I HAD BOATS TO DO IT WITH

*deep breathing* Let's lock this in. We've got three homeowners to kick out right now:
Making Monty cushy in Rome.
Fleeting me from Albany to a nice summer home in Venice
And relocating our Bella to Trieste.
Rory, this requires you to both Hold Budapest from Rumania and support Tyrolia into Trieste, is that cool with you?

[Shadoweh]

Ok shadow, thats what I've done !

I mean that you had to have Budapest support Vienna in the Spring. :/ I'm assuming you didn't send in an order?
We'll get you into Trieste all ship shapey. Cheery, if you're willing to stop, we can help you proceed west not too shortly.
Mario: hello no i would never betray the values of the founding fathers, they're what masde turkaria gr8

[Shadoweh]

[Shadoweh]

I feel like this should be obvious, Norway. But.. what were you planning to do beyond waiting to lose, if you're going to hold because you're allied with everyone around you?

[Shadoweh]

Who's attacking Trieste again?

Support Tyrolia into Trieste with Serbia and support Budapest holding with Rumania, if you please darling.
It's easy to forget we've been trying to take Serbia for five years. RIP Drixx you were a strategy master.

Nya, if you want to move armies to the coast, Albany is a good convoy place next Spring. We might actually make it west!

[Shadoweh]

And support me into Venice?

[Shadoweh]

If you can build an Army, Monty, we can start going up and away!
Oh God, we're actually touching now. Hello there Old Friend.

[Shadoweh]

Presumably, if I did in fact backstab him, I would lose any remaining support I do have on this map and he'd get support I couldn't stop either back into Hol or into Kiel, and all I would have accomplished is ruining what little credibility I have left.

Considering Russia is showing no sign of fighting you despite all the previous things and Norway is literally standing still rather then fighting you, I don't think you could hurt your credibility, honestly. So this is a non-sequitor.

This is quite complicated. Radja, I think Bella should support Bulgaria into Galicia. I'm not suggesting attacking Breeze at this point, it's the only way we're going to get our armies forward to Germany. All Breeze has to do is move towards Germany and he won't even be hit. I think we need Serbia to hold Trieste again as well, and Sev to move to Ukraine so Cheery doesn't try to surround us. I don't think they'll have qualms about cutting your support to take Bella.

Mist, can you move into the ocean? If you go to Lyon, Monty goes to Tyrr, Nya goes to Ionian and I go to AEG, we can finally make the convoy of my dreams. Naples can move to Rome and we can convoy from Albany to Venice with the fleet in Adr.

[Shadoweh]

You can convoy long distances as long as there are ships the entire way. Ideally we'd be hitting Pie all the way from Constantinople.

[Shadoweh]

I would Pikapika kill the shit out of MattyP if he were in Serbia, he scares me as a person.
I think you have to verify those orders in a PM to the mod for them to be authentic. Which I hope they aren't because you'd escape before I can kill you. >8(

[Shadoweh]

That's all very true, but I don't think this game is over or clear-cut. You're good at the shadowy deals and backstabs as usual.
Bella defected because your bounce plan ending with Radja supporting her was somehow a betrayal on her part.
I'm disappointed Trieste is not mine but ah what can you do with one little tank.

[Shadoweh]

Okay who broke Flumi's computer. Fess up, was it you OGML?!

Breeze: It did work enough to get your ally another center. Understand how concerning I find it when:
- You're at long-standing peace with Norway
- You turn left from Germany to go down and you've had a semi-peace with them
- We are the only other direction to go if you keep going that way

We would literally all be sitting in Germany right now if you weren't right in front of us. And by that I mean everyone in that area, none of which were me at the time!

[Shadoweh]

Correct. Shove your tank deep into my territory.

[Shadoweh]

It's still partly my fault for letting OGML grab that third centre.

Or at least that's why I came down last year

It worked out well for you! But it's still there to get back if you want it.

[Shadoweh]

It's okay Flumi, Turkey has decided to surrender as we can't do this any longer
so don't worry about orders our way guys, we're not submitting anything

[Shadoweh]

Okay, I feel like maybe there was some miscommunication, Bella, Radja.
But things turned out for the best so we can go forward from there. What are you two wanting to do this round?

Monty did you forget to submit orders? <<

[Shadoweh]

Understood.

Sorry I couldn't help with the super convoy!

It's okay, Monty didn't move anyways so it will have to wait

Radjs, I thought so, good luck up there.

@Nya: We should probably just take over Italy. Any objections?

[Shadoweh]

Yeah, we're doing it.
Nya, If you can convoy from Con to Naples with the Ionian fleet, I can support in.
Probably safest to keep your army in Venice this round, so have it attack Rome.

[Shadoweh]

Hey Nya and Shadow, do you still wan that mega convy? I can bring down the Portugal fleet to help with that.

##Vote: MAO moves to Western Med

[Shadoweh]

Ok I stopped caring again

I'm super busy right now sorry guys if I'm still alive I'll be back in the future #eatpraylove

Did you put in orders for Germany?
Since OGML left that to you?
I'm just saying it's an important part of the board so you might wanna do that

[Shadoweh]

Ok I stopped caring again

I'm super busy right now sorry guys if I'm still alive I'll be back in the future #eatpraylove

Did you put in orders for Germany?
Since OGML left that to you?
I'm just saying it's an important part of the board so you might wanna do that

That's like way more than I've ever dealt with, I'm only ever had one army

Midget can determine what to do with my spot, and OGMLs until OGML gets back

What I understand is what we're doing with lokiben is fine because it's in public
I'm fine with Random having control of germany as long as he has to submit public too.
Otherwise there's no reason for me not to say "Nya is submitting orders for me gl guys"

[Shadoweh]

Not all of us have to eat our partners to make progress.

[Shadoweh]

How is it that there's a death fleet at OGML's door....
and eight units don't move! The dotted lines of what could have been up there are hilarious.

[Shadoweh]

Hmm. It does depend on whether OGML keeps that army there at all.
Other then poking us until he dies, it's not very positionally good for him right now, probably the best for him to remove. Just saying, Alfred.

If it stays there that might be a good way to go about it. It would't hurt to support you into Rome and then we just move up in the fall so I take it anyways. If the fleet stays in the water, it can support back into Venice. I'm probably moving back to Con and you should move forward to Bul, I think.

[Shadoweh]

An army in smyrnis probs

[Shadoweh]

I would love you more if you hadn't flaked out on our Tank Cannon.

[Shadoweh]

You guys having fun with that?
I ceded Bel as I said I would, I prevented him from losing Hol to lying DN who openly claimed his units were attacking nor or den.
Turkey calls private a flake and gets excused, I protect my ally and get dogpiled.
News flash: you will not all share in the draw

To be fair he did flake
So did Matt though so

Our PR strategies are very different. For not having many direct allies around you yours might be the most effective.

[Shadoweh]

@ShadowNya: Do you still need the convoy? If so, I'd like to do it this fall, as Lokiben's not returned yet otherwise.

##Vote: F Western Med to Tyrr

I think that's as close as we're gonna get, it's still pretty far to Tus.

As I suspected, bye bye nearby blue. Nya, please support me into Rome. I'm going to Con, so if you move to AEG I can take up the Ionian position. Up to you what you want to do with Adr and Greece.

[Shadoweh]

What am I doing?!

You will have to decide the moves in your heart with Radja
just don't hold okay >8( move somewhere in places!

[Shadoweh]

It's getting to the point where you might as well have just given somebody loki's land officially when he left

I'm pretty sure Ani is about to take it and we should have seen that coming. <<

Radja, you make us sad here. You could support yourself into Moscow right now.
I'm going to the Black Sea, if you really want to pull back again, we can convoy next year by putting you in Con, then wherever else.
Nya, unless you have something else to do with the armies we could go Bulgaria to Tus. We can support that easy. I'm just going to input that as my orders, no need to confirm.

[Shadoweh]

Oh yeah

##Vote: Tyrr Convoy Bulgaria to Tus

[Shadoweh]

Shadow, I don't really see the point in backstabbing Breeze.

Oh Radja. You are too nice for this game too. :p
We're offended on your behalf, you know.

[Shadoweh]

I'd've done it by now if I was planning on it....

What's the point of building up trust if you don't inevitably cash it in for a massive backstab?

[Shadoweh]

Holy shit Bella.

So proud of u <3

[Shadoweh]

He died for our sins

[Shadoweh]

I'm just puzzling out what we should do in the tangle that is going to be us trying to get to psuedo former germany at this point
as in how can we even move without getting in each other's ways.

Ani basically needs to build a fleet since the ground is occupied. And Mist's fleet should go to lyo then wes. I think moving all the fleets forward is a better idea then short term convoying. Lots more time to think about it I suppose.

Mmm you might be getting the idea.

[Shadoweh]

This is like being warned by a spooky ghost.

[Shadoweh]

I don't want to kill any of my friends anymore ;-; If I continue the way I was, I'm going to have a bad time.
We've done everything, Nya and I, to move so we wouldn't have to fight you, though.
It would have been a waste of time going around if the plan was to ram through you. :p

[Shadoweh]

By the way, is that timer for Build orders or for Moves? I've been assuming it's for builds since it's not Spring yet.
So I'd rather not move nowhere this round!

[Shadoweh]

Well, Bella says if you want, but at this point she really needs you to to keep Warsaw. <<

[Shadoweh]

Tsk, tsk. Can you at least have Ukraine hold Warsaw since both it and Rumania can't move to Gal?

Fleetwise I think I'm going to Tyrr, so Nya you can bring that fleet in Adr out to Ion. If you go to Venice my two tanks can move up and Hmm. Probably best if we get support from Bella in Vienna to move into Boh from Tyr? And convoy the tank from Smy over to Bulgaria. Tell me how all that sounds to you guys.

[Shadoweh]

We just want you to coat the world in green Radja

[Shadoweh]

Random holds again :p Bella, I think your best retreat is to Sil. I have an idea what to do this round as long as you're cool with that.

[Shadoweh]

No, no, I understand Rory, you've been clear that you're going to stay between us and Russia like this.

But Rory, we can't keep doing this. We moved in to defend you because Breeze has already shown he'll march through you if he feels like it.
So if you won't go up, and we can't go around you because you'll actively get in our way. I guess we have to go through you after all.

There's no need to make it personal you two. You're definitely not a bad guy, Rorster. You're a little too good, honestly.
You're not willing to betray someone taking advantage of you to the point you won't gain their land. You and Bella could have taken all of Russia last year. Pacifism is a noble goal but this is world war! It's kill or be killed! And Bella was your homegrown ally, that was a good deal for you! But ah, how do I say this, as an ally if one of my friends told me I should be happy with my place after fighting back against people who tried to wipe me out, I'd be really mad at that person. Not choosing a side is choosing a side, in it's own way.

Well, what I'm saying is:

Bella:
Bud support Bul to Rum
Tri to Serbia
Vienna support Tyr to Boh
Sil to Gal

Nya: Bul to Rum, Tyr to Boh

I'm pretty sure with those moves it's not possible to stop us from taking them all. What do you think, Bella?

[Shadoweh]

(There's a saying that Diplomacy ends friendships and you must really hate people to put them through it >.>)

[Shadoweh]

I still love you. I just want to be so close to you that I'm literally on top of you!

I guess we should figure out what to do with all these fleets too.
We could convoy something to Alb, but I think I have a better idea, if you go to Pie and I go to Venice, we can dismantle a fleet for an army in Ank. Then we can move up to Ion -> Tyrr to.. Lyo? If we go to Lyo we can convoy to pie, just going to Wes doesn't work well since Ani only has one fleet that wouldn't reach anywhere but Gas on his side. Ani, would you be willing to let us take Mao next Spring?

[Shadoweh]

:/ You told me you would listen to me. I really took what you said about trusting me to heart at the beginning, you know.
Even if it wasn't the most efficiant thing, I rather like you and I wanted to work together with you for reals after all the uh, incidents. <.<

But you've spent the past five years not listening to me at all! I don't mind you wanting to be your own independant mayn! Well that's not true, I minded quite a few times and if you look back you can see you frustrated me quite a few times, even before these Russian shenanigans. But I still put up with it because I really really wanted this to work out! I haven't been encouraging you to give me land Raj, I've been trying to get you to take places yourself. Heck I was totally gonna eat Bella before you helped her grow a little

I just don't see a way to win if you're going to actively hold us back. If you're going to hold the line but not expand yourself, we get overwhelmed. If you aren't willing to listen to any of your allies then we can't work with you.

[Shadoweh]

If you take Rumania we can p much do both, now that I'm looking at it. I prefer the teleporting Tank method because it's easy to reverse.
So move to pie and I'll take Venice, if you please. If Ani is beaching his fleet I'm going to Lyo since it won't be good for convoys at all.

Matty I will be your friend but geez I'm only friends with people who submit moves okay >8(
Oh my god THIS IS WAR SON, GET YO ASS OUT THERE AND KILL PEOPLE

Bella please respond in thread that you read stuff and whether those orders work for you. << It is pretty important we're on the same page right now!

[Shadoweh]

You can consider doing it, but there's a chance it won't work. I think Action Dan would say you should 'coin toss' it.

[Shadoweh]

I realized when I was typing those that a bunch of similar three-letter words describing all the places must be hell for you.
Excellent, onward bound!

Hey Matty, if you want some good orders for you:
kie to ruh
...is that bob? bob to kie?
bel to boh or just sit there like a piece of trash

[Shadoweh]

The time to send in orders has passed so we're just going to have to watch and wait!
Their deal was for Sil to go to Mun though so I'm curious how that'll turn out.

[Shadoweh]

Hey, Gale, Breeze is not allowed to submit orders in private for Radja. Did Radja submit those orders?
Also Bella why do you keep holding in Vienna? <_<

[Shadoweh]

Yes, a potential situational order is to do what another player publicly says. You can't submit orders on behalf of someone.
Although this mechanic was designed for people who couldn't make the moves.
It's literally less time consuming to just quickly put an order in though. ;_; It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes ever unless you're about to win.
If I don't get anything soon I'll go to the next phase.

I mean that it's come up before and this is what Fluminator said on the subject.
I don't actually mind if it's done that way this once but I mean, we went over it in detail in the thread before.
Can you discuss it with Flumi?

[Shadoweh]

You, I and Bella were going to make! Which is how he tricked Bella into letting him take one of her supply centers. Again. :V\
I told you moving to Pie was a better idea, I figured something like that might happen.
Army in Smy is pretty obv what we should do I think.

[Shadoweh]

Bella, seeing how you'll basically keep all the places you currently have, I think you should disband Trieste as the other two are frontline tanks and the tank in Sil is in a good support cutting position.

[Shadoweh]

Tbh if I were Deathnote I would swallow Norway whole.

[Shadoweh]

What exactly would he do about them, besides like... float around
you know, in the water
where people like to go

[Shadoweh]

That seems like a typo. >>
Nya, can you convoy Rome to Albany so I can get to Serbia?

[Shadoweh]

It's a tough round for what we should do because it could bounce in a lot of bad ways. I'm sure you and Bella can work it out though.
I don't think we can afford to have any of the front lines go backwards, so I think it has to be Rome that goes back.

[Shadoweh]

I will try to use this power responsibly. <3

Nya, what do you think of this:

Submitting for Bellaphant of Vienna's territories:
A Sil Support Tyr to Boh
A Vie Support Tyr to Boh
A Bud to Gal

[Shadoweh]

We should talk about that longer term, though.
Where does Mist go at this point? Is this in return for giving back Marsellis?

[Shadoweh]

Wow you guys are jerks. I am actually not cool with just killing Matty for giving his stuff to us.
I suppose we would have had to fight eventually but it feels icky.

[Shadoweh]

I think that's a good start actually, and good for us overall!
Which I think means Mist needs to go to Bur this turn to go to Mun next!

I don't think anyone gave you a vote Cheery

[Shadoweh]

Honestly if everyone's not going to submit I'd rather draw then win because no one is moving. <_<

[Shadoweh]

lol Gale, we aren't taking it from your commentary, there's just a huge swath of No Orders right there.
Can you give us more time this phase? I think the funky time from last phase is what ruined everyone submitting.

[Shadoweh]

Gale, you can't redo the phase after people have submitted <_<
I'm just suggesting we have an extra 24 hours for people to get back on their feet this turn

[Shadoweh]

Ah, I'd love to take Sev myself but it really has to be Arm. I'll settle for Serbia.
We might as well keep the fleets you've got and move them west, I don't think we need convoys east right now. Wes and Tunis would be fastest?

Also, Bella, since Ani is taking Munich, do you want to take Warsaw again?

[Shadoweh]

Also Ani, Shadow what do you think of:
F Bel -> Nth
F Hol Support F Bel -> Nth

I think that's what Matty would have wanted. I vote in support!

[Shadoweh]

GASP rapscallion!

[Shadoweh]

Don't worry Bella, we'll get him and his little dog too. Can you move Silesia to Prussia and support Boh into Silesia with Galica?

Geez we had Matty's tanks for one round and we already messed them up << Disband the Tank would you?

[Shadoweh]

I'm not sure there's room for more armies in the area even if we make more. There should be a bump dat tank ass up button..
I'm building a fleet in Rome myself. Also rethinking that move I said earlier, I don't think it works like I wanted it to, supporting Galica in with Silesia like Bella was already doing makes more sense. I don't have a problem with eventual german retirement in the homeland.

[Shadoweh]

I'm moving my fleets around and I want shadow to follow me in the fall. You can't handle Deathnote alone and no matter what he says he's gonna come looking to take your territories next.

I don't think there's going to be space to move it from Lyon until fall, but if you can support Nya into MAO, like she said we're planning to go around you and up, not through you.

Mist, it should be safe to come to Bur and then Mun this year for you, we'll make sure you get there.

[Shadoweh]

I think you should do the same move you did last time and move your army in Budapest to Vienna. I won't mess you up this time

Yes, I agree, I'm sorry. >.< Uhm, I'm going to move my tank in Serbia to Trieste, and if there's room probably to Tyr, if not over to Albany.

[Shadoweh]

Honestly I'd prefer he take back his moves so he can avoid being stomped, all the options for him suck when Deathnote can see them >.>

[Shadoweh]

@Flumi My Fleet in Rome looks very strange... also it should be in the Tyrr!

[Shadoweh]

Sorry Cheery! I cared if you died if that helps! (You're still alive until fall ends tho)

Hmm, looking at the situation in Russia, it seems a little awkward because we don't have someone in Gal. I think it would be best for Sil and Ukr to Support holding Warsaw. Then Vienna can go to Gal? I don't think I can squeeze to the west so I'll send my tank to Albany where it won't hurt anyone.

Also going Wes as requested. I heard life is peaceful there.

[Shadoweh]

Still moving to Wes! Let the marauding hordes do their work!

I'm not taking Trieste, geez.

[Shadoweh]

Uhm, I hope Green is an okay color because I'm slightly closer then Mist is.
Why not coat Brest in red, viva la france? ^.^

[Shadoweh]

All Armies Matter. You might only have two places Mist, but we intend to fix that.
Going to Marseilles would be going backwards for you. Everything we're taking over is north! I'm sure you noticed that your fleet there wasn't able to do much for the past 8 years already. Instead of getting into that situation again, we can all just head north into the promised land.

Also, through a funny quirk, Ani can't take anything from you. No one can but us. Because Ani and Deathnote made too many fleets. They can't go inland to take anything.

[Shadoweh]

Wouldn't it be better to support me into Berlin so we can start pushing The Breeze back out with three troops? If Bella moves into Berlin, we risk Silesia up for attack and back to square one. He'd still be able to threaten Moscow.

We can move Nya's army up to Sil to take the space, the reason it's better to move Sil is because the attack can't be interupted when it's the one being moved.

Presuming we have a next round at all after everyone sends in their draws of course.

With the lower parts, my army is going to attack Marsellis and my fleet's going to support a Hold in that big old place, and you can do whatever shenanigans with that information. If stuff doesn't get taken this turn it'll probably fall next turn when we have more numberz.

[Shadoweh]

...Are you calling me Jal?

[Shadoweh]

I mean I'm incredibly flattered but I'm not sure how you did that.

I don't care about Marseilles as a place. It's just where my forces are, so there's no reason not to take it. Why would Mist even want it when trying to get to it puts her at risk instead of taking somewhere like Brest? It's not the only country in Europe.

[Shadoweh]

If everyone actually okay with a draw can confirm that with Flumi over PMs since lying in public is a given, maybe we can end this before it catches up to the real year!

And then Flumi can start the next ~*~exciting edition~*~ of Diplomacy that I'm sure everyone would sign up for!

[Shadoweh]

Someone probably just didn't confirm in PM's. It's okay, every round makes it a tastier prospect.
I've been wondering this for ages, does North Africa touch Spain?

Sorry, I needed to make sure the move happened, and uh. This works out way better for us?!
We can three way support back into Spain and I can take Marsellis. And yeah, if Mist can attack Gas we're set.
I was writing this last night and appear to have fallen asleep before posting <.<

[Shadoweh]

So, Deathnote didn't move, Breeze didn't really move either, and Ani didn't move.

Which one of y'all isn't sending in a draw? :p It kind of seems like it's someone on OUR SIDE.

@Fluminator: Are you counting non-submissions as not drawing, like if someone flaked?

[Shadoweh]

Just to make sure it's not someone not-submitting, I'd like to test by just having us all confirm in a row.
I don't really want to randomly eliminate people until we find the one holding out.

I am submitting a draw every turn.

[Shadoweh]

Can you at least submit that you Draw? Or leave a 'I am submitting a Draw for the next eternity?' <<

[Shadoweh]

Or just submit that you're drawing for the foreseeable future. It just has to be clear to Flumi.
I bet it's Breeze. >8(

Nya: Eh. It's the only place he's got, I'm not going to run people down when they aren't fighting back. I'm gonna move my fleets up if that's fine with you.

[Shadoweh]

excuse me i clearly submitted a move to STP with that army why is the arrow not showing

[Shadoweh]

I was actually just going to move back and forth forever but now that there's room why not!
Why are you going backwards though?

Also: It seems like LadyA is the one who isn't submitting the draw. <<

[Shadoweh]

Well... yeah, I am assuming that there's no reason to lie. We've all practically declared peace at this point.
I'm not spiteful and I don't want to hunt people down. Which is all extending the game amounts to.

[Shadoweh]

A Trieste to Tyrolia
A Naples to Rome
A Marsellies to London
F Tusia to Lyon
F Tyrr to Norway
F Lyon to Western Med
F Spain to MAO

[Shadoweh]

I feel weird about being the one advocating for peace.
Oh well. Nya, will you help me fling a tank from Rome to Liverpool?

[Shadoweh]

Well.
If you take Brest and Bella takes Kiel...
you could both make fleets
Then you could attack Norway from the West while Bella gets in to the East

[Shadoweh]

Okay, now we can convoy to Liverpool?
Sorry, I was busy all night playing children's card games. Very popular turkish regime game.
All trials will be solved fairly and equally with your best cards!

[Shadoweh]

Thank you for disqualifying me from all the rewards for being too awesome.

I spent the first chaotic years of this game alone in a dinghy in the Black Sea. Having the only fleet was a difficult position because it was powerful and let us mow through the neighbouring countries, but if I wanted to take anything myself, well it didn't work very well! If it were one Turkey that wouldn't have been a problem, just one way every girl being a country makes the game different.

My gameplan was pretty much just image, stay on the side of Truth and Justice and etc, work together with my Good Friend Comrade neighbours against the Dastardly Otherguy. This was kind of complicated by the main Medigree alliance being the ideal place for our boats to invade. So all our allies were tragically lost and we arrived just in time to avenge them and coincidentally hold all their land. Nya was pretty much doing the same thing, which made me kinda too terrified to turn on our allies anyways. Trieste would have looked so nice in green.

I had a lot of fun! 5/7 would Tank Survivor again

[Shadoweh]

You totally should have. I apologize for what happened that year I went inactive to try and get you to let down your guard around me and it was just the year that you decided to attack me! I had to work with Nyalite and Shadoweh to have any hope of surviving, so sorry for turning the blame on you.

I don't know how we got away with taking over Monty's territories because he went inactive followed by Nya tellling Ani how DARE he attack the helpless inactive beside him, that was probably my favorite argument.

[Shadoweh]

Considering you kept blocking me from leaving the sea I suspected you weren't going to let me have anything there. >>
I was positioning my fleets so I could break out by force. I didn't want to actually fight you. I probably should have on a few occasions.
But geez, we worked so well together and it was more fun to take over this way! I just didn't want to fight you.