Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

[chilledtea]

I don't see anything off about RachMarie. Make a case if you want to get me on board, etc.

Accountant's Reads List

Reads are expressed in terms of probability of flipping mafia, with 100% being confirmed scum and 0% being confirmed town. Given a 13 player setup and 2-3 possible scum(to maintain balance), I've set the base rate for being scum as [(2.5/13)*100], rounded down, or 19%. Thus, a read of 19% is perfectly null.

KickAssAndGiggle - 12%
MURDERCAT - 60%
KuroiXHF - 16%
Chumba - 20%
Accountant - 0%
chilledtea - 35%
BlackStar - 83%
RachMarie - 15%
I Am Innocent - 19%
Dunnstral - 14%
Derek12 - 15%
Pants98 - 19%
TehBrawlGuy - 10%

As you can see, my strongest townread is TehBrawlGuy, and my top scumreads are BlackStar and MURDERCAT by a fairly large margin(this is why I've been tunnelling on them). Most of the replacement players have fallen into a loose cluster just below null, based on the quality of their catchups, reads and posts. The reason for the low deviation is due to the fact that the old occupiers of that slot lurked very hard and were therefore null.

I'd be happy to go into more detail on any of my reads if required.

This was what I was talking about.

[chilledtea]

I have been thinking regarding accountant. I am not 100% sure about him now because of his claim regarding 2-shot.

I think that if he is the SK, him claiming he is 2-shot puts him in a pretty bad position in the later stages of the game.

Other than that claim, practically everything regarding him has screamed scum.

Explain to me how Accountant lives as a scumfuck in this game beyond a night or two.

This is a valid question.

I am not sure to be honest. Maybe he didn't see anyone catching him. He was widely town read on day 1.

[chilledtea]

VOTE : Kuroi

[Dunnstral]

VOTE : Kuroi

What

Can we lynch ChilledTea now please

What are we waiting for

[Dunnstral]

Are you denying that pants was the best lynch on day 1?

If you are, then you are wrong. I have always held that if town don't play as a team then there is very little individuals can do about it.

Wait, are you saying that Pants was the best lynch because the town decided to lynch him?

Pants was a bad choice. Nearly a terrible choice.

Okay then. Tell me what was the "best choice" in your opinion. If I recall correctly you thought pants was scum when he was lynched.

From my experience, such players as pants (unless they are PR's) make it difficult for town later on by being constantly on the scumdar and allowing scum to camouflage themselves in.

And there have been many players like Pants that I've played with in the past, and I understand the frustration... but he was town.

Yeah this is nonsense. He could easily have been scum.

How come you attack kuroi who voted you but don't seem to care about me? I was also saying pants was town too

Sorry, your theory is garbage. I would explain but I actually don't think you understand. Even through pure statistical point of view, your theory is bad. The assumption that a quickwagon is always on town is so silly that it is hurting my brain. So many bad assumptions, I don't play mafia that way, sorry.

A condescending tone is not a great defense.

did u miss the bit where I said I thought TBG was almost certainly scum

This was what made me suspicious of you though.

How did you go, from TBG is most likely town, to TBG is most likely scum? That progression of your read was very bad and it makes a lot of sense to me that an SK might have done that to look like town Vig.

Like, if you are town you are the worst vig player I've seen. And that is not possible, sorry.

durrr ad hominem
vote this scumlord plz

Okay.
VOTE: ChilledTea It's beyond scummy after your role claim to start going after you. You've also been one of the towniest players all game. Not only is ChilledTea scum - he is bad scum.

Basically, you just want a reason to vote me, then cool. Cause either you are completely blind, or you are scum and frankly I feel it's the latter.

[Dunnstral]

OK my words got lost in a bunch of quotes

How come you attack kuroi who voted you but don't seem to care about me? I was also saying pants was town too

[chilledtea]

OK my words got lost in a bunch of quotes

How come you attack kuroi who voted you but don't seem to care about me? I was also saying pants was town too

What made you think I voted kuroi because he said pants was town?

He contradicted himself. He says there is no better choice for day 1 but when pants was getting lynched he said that pants was probably scum.

Are you even paying attention to the game?

[chilledtea]

EBWOP : He said pants was a bad choice for day 1.

[Accountant]

He says there is no better choice for day 1 but when pants was getting lynched he said that pants was probably scum.

How is this a contradiction? There is no better choice than a probable scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Catching up

[KickAssAndGiggle]

VOTE: chilledtea

Accountant's obviously telling the truth about being a vig, the game is called gunslingers after all. Not to mention that he admitted to killing someone that some people (including me) thought was obv!town, even if he disagreed.

No way chilled and Accountant is TvT.

you.

I am talking to you.

are you trying to clear accountant based on flavour?

cos fuck no is he obvsly telling the truth here I think he is full of crap the trajectory of his reasonings do not even make sense and there is a very strong cog-dis that I am wondering why you are choosing to ignore.

No, not based on flavor, not that I see any reason not to speculate about that role really as we know it exists. I think Accountant is town, based on D1, so I believe the claim. I don't think Accountant vs chilled is TvT, and I don't think it's scum theater, so I think chilled is scum.

A role named Gunslinger exists. You may speculate on it's alignment and ability.

Indeed.

Why do you say KAAG? I see a lot of people pointing fingers at him but I don't see anything really bad coming from him. Yeah he was on the wagon but so was Rach and me.

mostly poe. I am running out of pple to look at. sometimes the towniest looking players in the game will turn out to be scum, and he wld be the most likely to nk rach I think. I didn't think that transcend looked like scum at all and tried to give pants a chance all he needed to do was to cough up a readslist or explain his read on kitty. I am less than thrilled that kitty has not checked in but

it kind of looked like kag was forcing the read a bit in hindsight.

My read on Transcend was entirely honest, and I went into great depth on it. What part of Transcend's ISO looked town? The guy blatantly didn't read anyone else's posts before making his reads, normally a scum sign. OK, he was lazy-ass town. Regrettable.

VOTE : Kuroi

What

Can we lynch ChilledTea now please

What are we waiting for

I agree.

...

I get the feeling mollie might be scum too, the way she talked to Rach on D1 and her appeal to Chumba just before she left on D2 feels off. And her reasons for scum reading Kuroi at the end of D1 were based on nothing. And now it seems she wants to push me for "too towny to be town". Hmm...

chilled/mollie/one of {Derek/MURDERCAT}

[chilledtea]

He says there is no better choice for day 1 but when pants was getting lynched he said that pants was probably scum.

How is this a contradiction? There is no better choice than a probable scum.

So read the edit.

[chilledtea]

KAAG's last post can be categorically summarized as

"Yes I agree"

'No I was honest"

"Agreed"

"BS read list"

[KickAssAndGiggle]

There was a lot of content based on you scum flailing. It didn't necessitate a response.

There's no point arguing with definite scum: they are guaranteed to disagree even when you're right.

[chilledtea]

Like the whole "I don't feel it is T vs T" is just BS.

I don't like the fact that he doesn't take an actual stance regarding my arguments regarding accountant.

The only people who actually had anything to say regarding it were titus and mollie. Everyone is else is basically "Hey you are scum for reasons! Die!"

Like no analysis at all.

[MURDERCAT]

I think Accountant is town. Someone tell me why SK decides to do a weird "I was scum reading them all along!" thing and then uses the kill there. I think SK Accountant absolutely kills me if they are going to claim the shot.

I don't think anything other than town plays that like Accountant did.

[chilledtea]

I want to know why town accountant does what he did.

It is immaterial imo what is the optimal play for an SK.

[KickAssAndGiggle]

I want to know why town accountant does what he did.

It is immaterial imo what is the optimal play for an SK.

Because he honestly read TBG as scum, and wanted to be the big-bad scum hunter extraordinaire?

You've never seen a bad vig shot before?

[chilledtea]

I want to know why town accountant does what he did.

It is immaterial imo what is the optimal play for an SK.

Because he honestly read TBG as scum, and wanted to be the big-bad scum hunter extraordinaire?

You've never seen a bad vig shot before?

It is not about a bad vig shot.

Why the sudden change in his reads? Why the change in his read of blackstar and TBG?

[MURDERCAT]

There's just as much responsibility on you to explain an SKs motivation as there is to explain a townie's motivation. Town wants to kill scum, so townie shoots scum read. Your turn to explain the SK motivation for

1. flipping reads on TBG just to set up the shot
2. Shooting a widely town read player when planning to claim the shot
3. Claiming the shot with no pressure

[MURDERCAT]

It's obvious that the read didn't change, he was just hiding his read.

[MURDERCAT]

(btw, kuroi sees his partner is dead and is bussing and chilled is distancing)

[MURDERCAT]

Anyone know vote count on chilled?

[chilledtea]

There's just as much responsibility on you to explain an SKs motivation as there is to explain a townie's motivation. Town wants to kill scum, so townie shoots scum read. Your turn to explain the SK motivation for

1. flipping reads on TBG just to set up the shot
2. Shooting a widely town read player when planning to claim the shot
3. Claiming the shot with no pressure

1) and 2) Thinning the town reads of several people with an excuse.

3) There was a demand for the claim. This is the best time to claim as the vig if you are the sk. Even if it isn't the best time, you won't be able to claim vig later on since people will latch on to the fact that you shot several town-y people, and refused to claim initially.

[chilledtea]

It's obvious that the read didn't change, he was just hiding his read.

Yes he was hiding his town read on blackstar by pushing his wagon. Real obvious.