Mini 1798: Greatest Idea (Game Over)

[Alchemist21]

First!
VOTE: Katsuki
Discarding Innocent Child?

I agree with this, I can't think of many reasons why someone would discard this.

VOTE: Katsuki

I'll probably need people to keep reminding me this is 13-p and not 9-p. Last time I played this it was 9-p and I keep thinking of this game as a 9-p.

[Alchemist21]

I think Moonlight and Yume are the 2 Towniest from the discards.

123 is a third Towny-looking discard, but I can imagine stronger roles that could be chosen over a roleblocker.

[Alchemist21]

123 if you decided to be a Lyncher just know that Dayvigs are a thing in this game. And yes they will shoot you if they don't have a better shot.

[Alchemist21]

A
right, fine.

Who do you think most likely is scum rn (besides myself ofc) and why?

Katsuki's a good early choice, but I'll admit it's surface-level and subject to change once we get more content.

[Alchemist21]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. As a Lyncher you're only a benefit to the Town if your target is scum.

[Alchemist21]

I was speaking hypothetically.

[Alchemist21]

First!
VOTE: Katsuki
Discarding Innocent Child?

IC and VT are the two roles I hate most. I flaked every game I've ever played as an IC.

What was the card you used for your Alignment? I'm not even asking for your ability, just what card you took Alignment from.

[Alchemist21]

Right now you, but not typical scum, more likely Jester or Lyncher like Alchemist suggested.

Confused.

*blinks*

Why are you already thinking that he's lyncher/jester and not groupscum?

~Titus

His early hard tunnel makes me think possible Lyncher

His overall nonsensical start makes me think he might be pulling a Slayer's gambit.

I think both of them are more likley than him being groupscum given his discard.

[Alchemist21]

I'm still incredibly happy with an Alchemist lynch.

Are you going to answer my question about your Alignment card?

Do you have actual reasons for voting me or are you just OMGUS'ing?

[Alchemist21]

I don't see the harm in what Ranger's doing.

I had Lynchabait, Ascetic Townie, and One-Shor Dayvig. Took alignment from the ascetic and ability from the dayvig.

@Ranger

What would you think of a similar massclaim where we claim just the card we used for Alignment in the second draft? I already asked Katsuki about theirs for the same reason your asking us about our first picks and they jist ignored it.

[Alchemist21]

I agree that House's inconsistency makes him look scummy, but I'm also remembering what Titus used to always say about House being the opposite alignment of how he looked.

[Alchemist21]

[*]Claiming scum by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is an instant modkill. Don't do it.

Maybe 123 just got bad cards and wants out.

Though I don't know why he'd do this instead of just asking for replacement.

Yeah I don't think he's going for getting modkilled. There are quicker ways to go about that, plus as you said he could replace out instead.

[Alchemist21]

He kept saying Massive was his partner and he was bussing. Honestly I think it's a gray area and I'd just leave it to the mod to decide but keep playing with the assumption there won't be any modkill. Like Cakez said we lynch Massive only if Massive is actually scummy.

[Alchemist21]

Would have been nice to have his vig shot, but I can accept that loss.

VOTE: Katsuki

[Alchemist21]

123 if you decided to be a Lyncher just know that Dayvigs are a thing in this game. And yes they will shoot you if they don't have a better shot.

It's kinda funny I warned him about getting dayvigged as a Lyncher while he himself was a Dayvig. Lol

[Alchemist21]

Massclaiming our cards from the first draft won't help find liars, it just shows us who would choose scum over Town. Massclaiming our alignment cards for the secind draft is more likely to work by finding liars.

[Alchemist21]

^Well that's true.

[Alchemist21]

Well this is odd. I thought Cakez was willing to lynch Katsuki before the modkill and the votes reset, as well as Ranger. If they were both willing to make the trade I was fine with it but now Cakez isnsaying differently than I expected.

UNVOTE:

I'll officially be V/LA this weekend.

I'll try to post but I can't make any promises.

[Alchemist21]

Well he also said earlier in the game before this even came up that replacing in as an IC was the most fun he ever had, so it does make sense that he would go for something that would confirm himself as Town. I'm more believing Cakez here than not.

[Alchemist21]

Ok I see where I missed Cakez' switch from Katsuki to Yume.

But

@Cakez

why did you vote Yume?

[Alchemist21]

Checking in tonight, lol @Yume's poor claim.

VOTE: Yume

[Alchemist21]

^That's

L-1

by the way.

[Alchemist21]

What House said, I even stated my vote was L-1.

[Alchemist21]

I think House made a good enough point to start off here today.

VOTE: Radical Rat

There are too many possibilities for why there was no NK to accurately say what happened yet, but my first guess is that scum targeted ine Lover for the 3-for-1 kill but some protective role was also on that Lover and stopepd it. So unless I see something really scummy I'm rolling with the temporary assumption that all Lovers are Town.

[Alchemist21]

It's also possible that scum were in the lovers and tried to kill outside them, but I think that almost always means scum were roleblocked last Night rather than Town got protected. The only alternative would be a BP Townie.

[Alchemist21]

there doesn't have to be nightkilling scum tho.

Alchemist I don't know where the hell you're getting htis all lovers are town speculation, that's such a fucking stretch to go for.

Vote: Radical Rat

This is fine for today but I'd be down for triple death far from any conceivable LyLo

My thinking is that if all the Lovers are Town, then they are the likeliest target for scum but also the best target for protective roles. I think if scum's in the Lovers there would have been a NK unless they were Roleblocked or hit a Bulletproof.

I also said it's a temporary assumption, not one I plan on having the rest of the game.

[Alchemist21]

I agree with you there, but my problem is that this isn't what you chose to justify your vote. Your reasoning then was just that one head thought you were Town, after the other expressed suspicion.

Had you cited their inactivity instead, I wouldn't have a problem.

Yet, it seems somewhat silly to focus on you when we have a read in common, so I'll follow along if you don't mind.

VOTE: Radiant Moonlight

This is another scum point for Radical. He flips from voting Cakez to voting

with

Cakez on a slot he hadn't expressed suspicion to before their exchange. This looks like a somewhat panicked attempt to help build the counterwagon to his slot. The entire reasoning behind the RM wagon boils down to "they aren't posting enough" which several people have already pointed out isn't indicative for either head. Radical had a better point against Cakez, but just abandons it in favor of voting RM with Cakez, probably because he figures RM is the easier lynch.

[Alchemist21]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

[Alchemist21]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

Who are the lovers? You're assuming they tried to kill him.

Ranger, Katsuki, and Cakez.

I think they targeted Ranger over Cakez because Ranger caught scum d1.

I don't think they targeted the lovers at all. No solid evidence there. Just Titus theory I am running with.

When Titus gets here I'd like her to explain why they wouldn't target them.

[Alchemist21]

All the scum were really unlucky if there are multiple scum factions and neither of them managed a kill last Night.

[Alchemist21]

That could only be a Cult. I think the other 3p roles without kills lose if the scum with kills all die before they reach theor wincon.

[Alchemist21]

Cult's still possible, but unlikely.

[Alchemist21]

I always thought if scum all died before a Lyncher did their job then the game ended with a loss for the Lyncher. I didn't know some mods intepreted it differently.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Radical Rat

[Alchemist21]

Cakez is not a person of interest. Let scum kill him

Well apparantly scum couldn't even do that much. Lol

Who are the lovers? You're assuming they tried to kill him.

Ranger, Katsuki, and Cakez.

I think they targeted Ranger over Cakez because Ranger caught scum d1.

I don't think they targeted the lovers at all. No solid evidence there. Just Titus theory I am running with.

When Titus gets here I'd like her to explain why they wouldn't target them.

Titus can you answer this?

[Alchemist21]

Why did you fakeclaim Miller and not Tentacled Townie?

[Alchemist21]

Spoiler: Obligatory obvious meme that's more or less relevant here

[Alchemist21]

oh

I forgot that role existed <__<

I guess I didn't have much imagination and already had miller as one of my 3 roles /lazy

Understandable .

[Alchemist21]

Wait, you thought I was an Alien because I discarded an Alien card?

[Alchemist21]

The simpler explanation is I had no want or need for the Alien alignment or its ability. Why did you think that was less likely than getting 3 alien cards?

[Alchemist21]

I kinda get it, but there is the possibility of someone getting 2 alien Cards, and throwing out whatever the 3rd card is. There could even be someone who just likes the idea of being an Alien.

In the future I don't think you should make the assumption "X threw out an Alien card therefore they are more likely than anyone else to be an Alien." Anyway, what's done is done.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Radical Rat

For the record, I'm still suspicious of RM, but thats another day.
The case against them isn't inactivity. It's inactivity despite what these players are capable of. Especially in a hydra, where you have two people posting

That's still basing it on their inactivity. If inactivity were a scumtell for either of them it would mean something, but it's not.

Spoiler: General Aside

Also in general you shouldn't assume a hydra will be more active than a normal slot. Check the MD threads and you'll see people talking about how some people hydra because they're already limited by time or whatever and their activity falls thinking their partner will pick up the slack, but then both heads do it and the slot as a whole becomes inactive.

[Alchemist21]

Fate's right about the Dayvig, but I can see Titus' point about why scum might have targeted outside the Lovers to break the Town core.

[Alchemist21]

I want my reputation to be honorable and trustworthy, even in a game filled with deception and treachery.

Nobody will think less of you for lying as scum. The better you are at lying as scum the more impressed people will be.

[Alchemist21]

Ranger would have to be an Alien if she's scum.

Dr. Pepper and Katsuki I could both vote. It's pretty obv RM is an investigative.

VOTE: Dr. Pepper

[Alchemist21]

I'm with Cakez on Ranger. Lynching Katsuki also kills Ranger so that's a possible compromise for us, but if Ranger's Town I think we benefit from having her around another Day.