Micro 618 {Over}

[mhsmith0]

Vote Count 1.11

BulletNLynchproof (2)

Charloux Dionysus and Ariadne

Murdercat (3)

BulletNLynchproof ReallySick JaeReed (L-2)

Dionysus and Ariadne (2)

BTD6_Maker Chip Butty

Not Voting (2)

Murdercat karnos


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is on Tuesday, June 21st: (expired on 2016-06-21 04:15:00).
Ranger made a votecount in 300.

[Chip Butty]

Well, MC is my choice for second wolf, so I don't mind taking him to

L-1

.

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[ReallySick]

Note; This is NOT our official read--we are somewhat contradicting like hell. This is purely my (Realeo) read and I just want to throw my opinion into the table.

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I personally do not buy MURDERCAT being scum.

Karnos: MURDERCAT copies BPLP

I don't necessary buy them as AI. Karnos implied them as "Scum copying other person", but can't MURDERCAT & BPLP is just having classic "Great Minds Think Alike?"

That L-1 unvote. WTF?

I understand that people are wondering about the L-1, but I think that is NAI at best. They're 2 type of players here at best "the guy who take their time" (ie.me) & "lynch da bitch" guy (ie.Karnos)

I just want to classify MURDERCAT as the former one.

Don't you hammer, you dunce!

Remember that hammah trick? (Stares at Karnos). I'd like to that that MURDERCAT's reaction is real and basically just being consistent with "the guy who take their time" guy.

So if I townread MURDERCAT, why are you not changing your vote?

Simple, it takes mutual agreement to vote MURDERCAT, so it also takes mutual agreement to unvote MURDERCAT. Being a Hydra is tough, you can't just trump your other head opinion. Please, give us a break.><

~Realeo

[ReallySick]

Oy, BTW. Don't hammer MURDERCAT.

~Realeo

[ReallySick]

RABBLE RABBLE about things

This is not really a reason to scumread him imo, but with that said! I am scumreading him for other reasons.

VOTE: BTD

Can you explain "the other reasons". I want to see your train of thought. This happens before the L-1 chaos, mind you.

[ReallySick]

~Realeo. Goddamit.

[Ranger]

T

he whispers turn into a scream...

Votecount 1.12

Murdercat - 4 (BulletNLynchproof, JaeReed, ReallySick, Chip Butty)

BulletNLynchproof - 2 (Charloux, Dionysus and Ariadne)
Dionysus and Ariadne - 1 (BTD6_maker)

Not voting - 2 (karnos, Murdercat)

Murdercat is at L-1.

Deadline is on Tuesday, June 21st: (expired on 2016-06-21 04:15:00).
mhsmith made a votecount in 350.

[BTD6_maker]

Moderate Town: Charloux
Null-weak Town: Chip, ReallySick, JaeReed
Weak scum: BNL, Murdercat
Moderate-strong scum: Karnos, D&A

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

Don't want a quickhammer and I feel it's a possibility at this point.

BTD can you please explain your reads? Specifically, why is Charloux so high, and Karnos so low?

[ReallySick]

Jaereed, response to 354 please

~Realeo

[JaeReed]

The spam from BTD at the beginning of page 2 rubbed me the wrong way for a number of reasons. I liked Chip's response to it, but I'm voting for the RVS vote itself pinging me as scummy moreso than the rest of the spam.

I liked Realeo's entrance, but disliked Sick deliberately being overly reachy with the vote reasoning on Chip. Also disliked the whole hunch on BNL being town thing, but I am assuming that is linked to some kind of thought process that the person wagon'ed in RVS is usually town? If that's the case, I disagree, but it's not a scummy thing to say. Sick I've noticed looks scummy to me in general when I spectate games so /shrug. We'll see how that goes. I didn't much like 47 since it's defending the other head but ehh. I can't see motivation there either way other than just story time.

I liked BNL's 48 for town.

Oh and Chip? The reason I replaced out of Trees now that I can talk about it is because of Open 640. I saw your RVS banter with Kappy and realized I was going to tunnel tf out of you because I somehow got that in my mind that you were his scumbuddy despite previously stating that you would have had to have reverse the whole bus station over him. Talk about reading into things too much...

Can we wagon BTD please? I'm not comfortable with a townread of mine running up time as the highest wagon while BTD is looking scummy and laying low content-wise. If BNL's town then that's exactly what the wolves want to happen here.

How was my vote scummy? It is consistent with my RVS vote from other games, where I vote someone for having a name suggesting a role that they don't have.

Self-meta. I'll check this, but I don't like the RVS vote because it doesn't give anything away. It's a vote you could easily make on the same person across multiple games and that's why it pings me.
The fact that then there was this weird "true ninja" line of thought that honestly has nothing to do with anything, and then a post where you didn't even weigh in on the game state after things had happened didn't do anything to elevate you from that initial scumread.

I honestly dislike the resistance to the BTD wagon. There's nothing I see redeemable about his slot and I don't mind putting him at L-1 this early.

This. I don't like the fact that he's being told, basically, "don't worry my wolfy mate you aren't at risk of being lynched". He still hasn't done any visible scumhunting and I would like to see that.

As is karnos for some very odd posts he made. At first read I actually felt like 101 was towny but I don't think so anymore. MURDER is right also, 119 pinged me hard.

101 didn't feel like a townslip but I'm not sure it even feels like it's trying to come across as one? I read that as NAI. I suppose you're thinking that it's an attempted townslip?
Not sure what to think of 119. It just looks worded strangely. I'll go back and do motivations in a bit since I'm kinda out of it right now.

oh and since I think someone (Jae?) asked; Ariadne is the Nahdia head!

I thought that might be the case. Slightly wary but your thoughts are mirroring my own (one of the reasons I was scared to post earlier before everyone got content out) almost to a T with small exceptions so I guess I can't keep up the paranoia of your strong scumgame forever.

Anyway, agreeing with Murder/BTD as most scummy right now.

@Real I think I did explain in thread. If you want me to quote-wall for convenience I can but not tonight. I have a RL condition that is messing with me atm. Sorry. If you ISO me and search BTD there should be enough there to know my thoughts on him. If you ask for clarification about something specific there I'll try to still keep responding to the best of my ability tonight.

[JaeReed]

oh.. I guess that did work. Nvm then. Tried to quote wall earlier but thought I lost it when chrome closed. ^ I guess there is your quote-wall for convenience.

[JaeReed]

For the record, the meta dive on BTD's RVS votes always being that way ended up concluding he lied. I don't think it means anything since it was recent enough that he could have just decided to change the way he votes in RVS. I'd imagine he'll rethink that after this game.

[Charloux]

Moderate Town: Charloux
Null-weak Town: Chip, ReallySick, JaeReed
Weak scum: BNL, Murdercat
Moderate-strong scum: Karnos, D&A

Why are you townreading me? I haven't really posted anything useful so shouldn't it be Null?

[ReallySick]

Ah, so you spread them across. Sorry for the inconvenience..

~Realeo

[MURDERCAT]

That's a good point Char, you really haven't done anything. Mind giving reads? I'm wondering if you're a strong town read because you're a scum buddy and that was a weak distance attempt because otherwise that makes no sense to me.

[Charloux]

There is one more possibility because of the unique setup, but your position might have clouded your thought process.
I seriously can't give any reads because my laptop is broken and you all know how hard it is to write messages when you use a phone that is shorter than your finger.
If it's worth anything, i think Karnos's "whisper me or Chip if you are a seer" is scummy as fuck and you gave up on that too easily. That's the thing that pinged me the most in this game so far.

[MURDERCAT]

His explanation seemed to make sense though, wouldn't he be caught if a different person PM'd him as seer and was suddenly vengekilled? Seems like it would be a risky play.

[MURDERCAT]

Oh wait are you saying Karnos is going to claim someone sent him a seer PM even if he didn't get one just to get BTD lynched? I also don't see how this explains you at the top of the town reads. Please explain more when you can.

[karnos]

There is one more possibility because of the unique setup, but your position might have clouded your thought process.
I seriously can't give any reads because my laptop is broken and you all know how hard it is to write messages when you use a phone that is shorter than your finger.
If it's worth anything, i think Karnos's "whisper me or Chip if you are a seer" is scummy as fuck and you gave up on that too easily. That's the thing that pinged me the most in this game so far.

You are going to have to walk me through this. I don't see a scenario where scum!me could take advantage of this without it simply becoming a 1 for 1 trade and getting lynched.

[karnos]

BTD: can you at least confirm your seer claim?

You aren't going to backpedal and claim you are actually a VT pulling a gambit, are you?

[MURDERCAT]

Not saying I believe this, but say you are a wolf and no one PMs. Then you say someone PM'd, kill BTD and he flips seer. Then you say something like MC PM'd me, he is scum who wanted seer dead! People probably buy it because you are being town read by everyone. That lets you trade for seer plus me plus the vengekills which is pretty good.

[MURDERCAT]

Still think you are town FYI, just speculating.

[karnos]

Not saying I believe this, but say you are a wolf and no one PMs. Then you say someone PM'd, kill BTD and he flips seer. Then you say something like MC PM'd me, he is scum who wanted seer dead! People probably buy it because you are being town read by everyone. That lets you trade for seer plus me plus the vengekills which is pretty good.

Okay. Of course I could have just hammered BTD for real when D&A asked for a hammer and got him killed without implicating myself, but I guess in a weird twisted sort of way someone might try to pull what you are suggesting.

[BNL]

Well, MC is my choice for second wolf, so I don't mind taking him to

L-1

.

VOTE: MURDERCAT

But why leave D&A? Why would you rather vote Murdercat than D&A, having both as scum?