Open 647: Diffusion of Power (Game Over)

[MURDERCAT]

i really find it hard to believe that your reads are unchanged after 66.

I agree, maybe scum ranger decided to skim a bit?

[karnos]

Here's a readslist.

Quality stuff. I might not share the exact same reads, but I see town motivation here, no reason for me to be voting you anymore.

UNVOTE: podoboq

VOTE: Smithereens

138 , as others have pointed out, is sketchy as all-hell. And I don't think he has even acknowledged why he wrote it.

[karnos]

Big FOS towards ranger as well, but I don't think she needs to be voted yet.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

Need to re-read this thread...I'm torn between Smithereens due to what karnos said above, and Ranger because I just cannot believe that after 100 more posts, he reads remain unchanged given some of the exchanges.

[Chip Butty]

Thank you sir, I have an excellent view of all the scum from up on this wagon.

Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

This is weird.

Thank you sir, I have an excellent view of all the scum from up on this wagon.

Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

O ho ho! Reassuring your scumbuddy, huh?

Sigh my dog just died so you can look it up your self, I believe in fast high pressure wagons, blah blah blah, watch how the machine works in response to all input, blah blah blah, I do this most games, and it's not a scum tell, blah blah blah.

I believe in fast high pressure wagons,

If you believe in high-pressure wagons, why did you take the pressure off by telling karnos the wagon wasn't to get him lynched?

PS: Sorry to hear about your dog.

If you believe in high-pressure wagons, why did you take the pressure off by telling karnos the wagon wasn't to get him lynched?

I'm with Chip on this. If your strategy is too play so aggro that it riles people up, and gets people to say something they might not have without pressure, the last thing you want to do is release that pressure. I don't think that it's scum reassuring scum, like Chip implied earlier, but I do think it's an inconsistency.

It's probably excusable, all things considered (I've lost dog family, too, man. It hurts), but it's still an inconsistency worth pointing out, and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

No, I'm saying that he should have owned up to it. He didn't. He defended the inconsistency, and it's the fact that he didn't own up to it that's a problem.

Also, judging by your other posts, I think you actually like being that guy.

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

No, I'm saying that he should have owned up to it. He didn't. He defended the inconsistency, and it's the fact that he didn't own up to it that's a problem.

WTF? I made the point about taking pressure of in #50. #51 was unrelated, from Karnos. And that quote I said could have been coaching was in #52. Shooty didn't reply at all to #50, but you say he defended the inconsistency??? That's BS, pure and simple.

Now you are definitely on my scumdar.

Sigh my dog just died so you can look it up your self, I believe in fast high pressure wagons, blah blah blah, watch how the machine works in response to all input, blah blah blah, I do this most games, and it's not a scum tell, blah blah blah.

He defends his weirdness by saying that he plays by making high pressure wagons, doesn't note the inconsistency in that statement, and doesn't own up to it. Like, I get that he hasn't talked more since then, but he should have said at some point in there "You're right, I shouldn't have told him not to worry about it, because that's inconsistent with my apparent strategy." Nothing new has come out since this post except us pointing out that it's inconsistent. We shouldn't have to explain that to him. He should recognize it on his own.

For what it matters, I'm going to keep assuming that this is a misunderstanding on your part, rather than scum trying to throw shit everywhere hoping it sticks somewhere.

Okay, I've reread this sequence a few times and I see what you are saying in #54 and #56 now - This, if I am reading you right: "Shotty was inconsistent in his #48 and he should have noted that, even though he believes in high pressure wagons, he had relieved the pressure on karnos".

I thought you had slipped by saying Shotty had defended himself after 348, when he hadn't in fact posted more. So, okay.

I guess where this leaves me on you is that you say you weren't coaching, but I still think it is possible that you were. Moving on, for now...

[Chip Butty]

* "...defended himself after #48..." ^

[Chip Butty]

Thank you sir, I have an excellent view of all the scum from up on this wagon.

Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

Sigh my dog just died so you can look it up your self,

I believe in fast high pressure wagons

, blah blah blah, watch how the machine works in response to all input, blah blah blah, I do this most games, and it's not a scum tell, blah blah blah.

Shotty, I know your dog had just died at this point in time, but you never did go back and explain this inconsistency, even though podo

coached

advised you to do so.

And, frankly, even though I am trying to give you a break because of the demise of your canine friend, your ISO sucks. Since you haven't asked to replace out, I'm going to assume you're okay to play.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SHOTTY

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ya I'm fine to play, I'm also the lead wagon for unvoting someone at l-1 on page six. Honestly think about that.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count

Ranger

(3): Aneninen, DixC, Maruchan

Smithereens

(2): MURDERCAT, karnos

drmyshottyizsik

(2): Smithereens, Chip Butty

MURDERCAT

(2): Transcend, podoboq

Maruchan

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(3): drmyshottyizsik, PenguinPower, Ranger

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-07-02 13:00:22)

[drmyshottyizsik]

thought I had 3 votes not 2, guess I'm not the lead wagon. I just don't see smith as super scummy, but I like a lot of what murdercat has said.
VOTE: Maruchan
still not liking this much. More to come after work.

Also sorry for my sudden drop in activity, between my car wreck, my dog dying, and my site ban I am finding my self on MS less, but I'm about to start modding again so I'll be on here more in the future.

[Transcend]

i really find it hard to believe that your reads are unchanged after 66.

I agree, maybe scum ranger decided to skim a bit?

How is it that you're able to defend and scum read someone within 2 posts?

Imo rope MC

[MURDERCAT]

199 isn't a defense, it's just a fact about Ranger's playstyle.

[Transcend]

K. But 200 looks really bad. Perhaps you candy coating my read on ranger that wasn't even a fos.

[Aneninen]

Sorry for not doing shyt.
I'm reading.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't really understand what you are accusing me of. I said I agree that Ranger not changing reads is strange. I implied it might be because Ranger can be lazy as scum (my experience with her suggests this is the case). What's the issue?

[Aneninen]

On the one hand, this game is off to a very slow start.
On the other hand, I'm curious to see how ranger's read lists look with such a small sample of posts to read from.

Whut?
As the first post on Page2?

Maruchan's 27 is forced. Scummy.
Murdercat has noticed it in 28. Good. Townish.

VOTE: karnos
game to slow? let's get a wagon rolling!

L-2

La wow! If Maruchan's scum, Shotty's scum too.

Don't worry this wagon isn't to get you lynched.

This is weird.

Murdercat's so f-cking town

and an inconsistency worth owning up to.

Hate to be that guy, man, but that looks an awful lot like coaching.

No, I'm saying that he should have owned up to it. He didn't. He defended the inconsistency, and it's the fact that he didn't own up to it that's a problem.

WTF? I made the point about taking pressure of in #50. #51 was unrelated, from Karnos. And that quote I said could have been coaching was in #52. Shooty didn't reply at all to #50, but you say he defended the inconsistency??? That's BS, pure and simple.
Now you are definitely on my scumdar.

Parrot Bebop.

Podoboq seems to be flailing, eg. 56.

Oh I missed that.
I hate tonal reads so I'm disregarding that. I can see the part about how he's trying to look like he's doing something though, I skimmed through that initially but upon review it's a big ball of fluff.
VOTE: Maruchan

Either early bussing or lazy town, I don't know.
Although I know that the laziest player of the game title is being held by me and it will be very hard to steal it from me.

Imo Maruchan did well to get this game rolling. You could at the very least be a tad grateful. I dislike Sircakez calling it a big ball of fluff when literally it's one of the only posts made thus far that has attempted to progress the game. Why is Maruchan a big ball of fluff but nobody else is?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

Agree with the above, and...
SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?
VOTE: SirCakez

Whut was dat?

{karnos}
{SirCakez}
{Aneninen, Murdercat, Smithereens}
{Chip Butty, shotty}
{Maruchan, DicX, PenguinPower, Transcend}
{podoboq}

Ranger's town again. Good to know.

[Aneninen]

I'm still happy with my vote on pod. It's not an RVS vote any more, as I think I said somewhere.

Good.
ChipButty is town.

DixC:
No pun intended, but his fucking dog died. Throw him a bone would ya?

Pigeon poop post.
Sorry for the dog, too.

Podoboq's flailing. 91.

Maruchan's 98 made me think. What if he's annoyed-town?

Penguin prod please Dave.

I'm here, and I'm not changing my vote...so I'm not sure what else you would like for me to say at this point. My initial vote was a joke vote, but karnos is displaying his normal scummy behaviors when scum.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!

his buddy is probably maruchan

I'm not sure if you are serious here but I actually believe this.

I've been thinking about the same thing.
(What if Shotty's the third one and he's bussing?)

Because the unvote was terrible, really looks like he was looking for a reason to take it off.

And his vote was even more terrible.

his buddy is probably maruchan

I'm not sure if you are serious here but I actually believe this.

Why?

Good.
it's Maruchan+Podoboq+PenguinPower.
Thanks and don't forget to put your headless barbie doll in a jar of lard, upside down.

UNVOTE:

woah, l-1 legit on page 6? No no no, I'm not saying podo isn't scum but it seems more likely that this is a scum driven wagon. Could be both.

p-edit,
that post looked worse than your vote

Wieieieieieinahtoauinghkjsgnhxghxfgh
Or is it Podoboq+Penguin+Shotty?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
well I'm happy with this.

Miss-Marple positive on town.

It's not bad luck if someone had the opportunity to unvote karnos. You seem really eager right now.

And you seem really paranoid. Are you afraid podo will flip scum, or are you afraid he will flip town?

It is scum who tells a cautious townie he is paranoid scum
VOTE: karnos

So, Karnos is town too. Thanks.

[Aneninen]

I think it's TvT also, less sure though. I want to see where it goes though.

hold on you think that they were TVT but you wanted them to keep fighting and be on the wrong track?
VOTE: MURDERCAT'

Dafuq vote.

VOTE: MURDERCAT
For what it matters

Whut?
By the way, your readlist was terrible in the post before.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: podoboq

^^ i like this guy, why did he get l-1'd ^^

'cause he text-walled against accusations that deserved less than a line.

VOTE: Ranger I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

Whut?

not enough time to do a real post, but i had time to skim, and want to post this here VOTE: Ranger he wants to play the "sure i can but you didn't ask would I" game, well this is my form of asking will he now.

enjoy

GHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Another terrible vote

ChipButty's 206. Good.

[Aneninen]

F-cking town: Murdercat, ChipButty, Karnos
Townish: SirCakez, Smithereens, Ranger
No idea yet: Transcend, DixC
Ghhhhhhh: Maruchan, Shotty
Scummy and needs to meet pigeons: Penguin, Podoboq

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Podoboq

[drmyshottyizsik]

F-cking town: Murdercat, ChipButty, Karnos
Townish: SirCakez, Smithereens, Ranger
No idea yet: Transcend, DixC
Ghhhhhhh: Maruchan, Shotty
Scummy and needs to meet pigeons: Penguin, Podoboq

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Podoboq

I come on I am so much better than maruchan

[SirCakez]

L-1

We are either all on scum or there's scum on the wagon. So let's figure out if podo is legit scum or if some of the votes look sketchy.

I agree with this. Way too fast of a wagon.

"woah, l-1 legit on page 6? No no no, I'm not saying podo isn't scum but it seems more likely that this is a scum driven wagon. Could be both."

if this isn't a guilty mindset that betrays you already knew you were voting a townie, Idk what is.

This stinks, multiple other people have the same mindset here and you only jump on Shotty for it?

[SirCakez]

pedit: right now i'm thinking karnos/shotty is tvt and they need to get the fuck over themselves.

^^^

Will post catchup shortly. Lots of good stuff for me to comment on I see (Y). RE: whoever asked me if I always do walls, yes. See my last post regarding the restrictions on my internet access, and you'll understand I can't be here during the progressing discussion, but I still have my 2 cents about the discussion I wish to toss in, and make sure they are heard, so that equates to wall posts when lots of content happens in the 12 hour days I have without internet access. Expect my next wall (in like an hour or two) to be on the same level as my last.

I think my read on Maru might have been wrong then. The walls are NAI in this case. Moving Maru to nulltown for the wall he posted later after this.

Here's a readslist. General thoughts coming up after.
If they aren't on the list, I've determined they don't have enough content to start trying to inform a read.

TOWNY:

Spoiler: karnos

He was right that unvoting me is bad play. You should keep the pressure on so that if I'm scum, the pressure causes me to post weird and gives you an opportunity to read me. Pointing out that theory could have come from scum or town, but when so many people came off my wagon, it seems like legit annoyed town, rather than scum.

Spoiler: Maruchan

Already explained. I liked his wall. Haven't read the recent one, yet. That's next.

Spoiler: Transcend

Recent interactions are pretty good. I like that he calls out karnos and shotty as probably TvT, and asks them to break it up, when what they're doing is causing a rift in the town. Can only be scum if shotty is also scum, and he was coaching, which I'm just gonna say is unlikely.

Spoiler: DixC

Interaction with shotty is too insensitive to be scummy. If I'm wrong, and he's actually just that bad at being scum, then it should be easy to lynch him in the future, so I'm willing to just assume he's town for now.

NULL:

Spoiler: Chip Butty

In general, I like his thoughts on the game, but it also seems like he's not searching for town, which is scummy.

Spoiler: drmyshottyizsik

A lot of bad interactions, but I've yet to determine if they're scummy or just shotty feeling off, which would make sense. Unvoting me was weird, and could be scum going for town points, but usually scum don't unvote there in fear that the wagon dissolves. Basically I'm just torn here, but there's a lot to read.

SCUMMY:

Spoiler: Smithereens

Bad play on my wagon. I don't like how Smithereens defended Maruchan, but then is also voting me when I unvoted Maruchan. It seems inconsistent. If Smith saw what I saw with Maru, I feel like he'd come to my defense, or at the least, stay out of it, but instead he voted me.

My vote looks sketchy~~

I had an irresistible urge to just lynch a fucker, I'm not gonna lie to you :3 I'm awful.

There's still time to unvote him and lynch someone else though...

This is scummy.

Spoiler: MURDERCAT

Seems opportunistic, and posts a lot without contributing much of anything. He seems to be the second person to say anything he says, which is a sign of someone trying to blend in while still pushing their own agenda.

Spoiler: Ranger

In my experience with Ranger (day one of Musical Mafia), her reads were pretty damn good. She's scumreading me here (more than anyone else), despite townreading me as town in that game. If she's so good at reads, there are three options: 1) I'm actually scum and she's right, 2) I'm actually town, and she's scum supporting a lynch without pushing it, or 3) I'm just way harder to read than I thought. I know that (1) is out. I don't think it's (3). Plus, this:

I would like to know why you seem to have me in the definitely scum tier and why karnos seems to be chilling in the definitely town tier.

I don't recall making a statement like this!

She literally has me at the bottom of her tierlist in all three of her reads posts, and karnos at the top in the last two. I've seen how her tier lists are organized from Musical Mafia, so I'm assuming she's using the same style, where bottom is certainly scum and top is certainly town. So I have no idea where that quote is coming from.

Also moving to think Podo is nulltown. I like these reads.

VOTE: Smithereens

[SirCakez]

how come you jabbed at smith for his defense on maru but you somewhat low-key defend maru as well?

Smithereen defended Maru, but then voted me, when the only logic to vote me is that I townread Maru. It's inconsistent. Also, I did not "somewhat low-key defend maru." I thought I was pretty overt.

There was no defense for Maru intended just btw, it was supposed to be an attack on SirCakez for something I found really inconsistent myself about his attack on Maru. I think you should go back and read my post vs SirCakez because it raises a valid point which you missed.

It's called a chainsaw defense

I'm concerned that your preternatural capabilities are not on display this game.

My abilities are largely reactionary.

Game's too active, I have trouble tracking everyone. (This, incidentally, is why I lurk in Larges.) Game's too inactive, there's almost nothing for me to track.

Still, gotta make do with what you've got. And what I've got is an unchanged list from 66.

Why do I feel like you're barely doing anything here? I'm not getting my usual obvtown vibes from you....

Right now I'm thinking most of the active posters are town and scum is in the lurkers with the exception of Smithereens.

[DixC]

I noticed after, is a pronoun error a major taboo?

Ranger, comparing post rates and updates I see a significant difference in this game: what are some queries that might help you out here?

[podoboq]

I noticed after, is a pronoun error a major taboo?

On a scale of 1-10, where 1 is accidentally stepping on the back of someone's shoe while they're walking, and 10 is telling a raunchy joke to a widow at her husband's funeral, screwing up pronouns on mafiascum feels kind of like a 3.