Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

[Bacde]

Sup dudes I haven't checked my role yet

[Bacde]

Hey I wasn't pinged don't replace me

[Bacde]

Anyone wanna sum up whats happened so far while I reread?

Its ok if you really want to replace me I won't fight you mod, but I'm here now

[Bacde]

And I'd rather not get replaced

Don't worry, you won't

[Bacde]

vote Zachstralkita

while I figure out what is going on

[Bacde]

Ok, Transcend is town, Dunn is town, inspectorscout is town

JarJar is scum

Vote: JarJar

lets do this

[Bacde]

Why is JarJar scum?

I think he's towny

I think a fair question would be why do you think he's town? I haven't seen a town move from him

I forget what it was but his entrance set me off as bad, and then he set me off again when he took advantage of the weird counter-scout current that happened a few pages ago and tried to wagon him, and he hasn't moved on from there. Scout seems like an easy town target

Don't agree with them being scum based on what was provided, but could see it with more information

Don't like that, but I'm town-reading you overall.

VOTE: BlueYoshi

Why?

Vote: JarJar

Why?

because I scumread him

oh I definitely won't be reading page 1-16 in it's entirety.

dude you should, I did its really not that bad. Most of it is just Dunn and Zach bickering about Rask anyway

So I iso'd literally all of Shotty's posts, and you think this is the scummiest candidate? Tell me something I'm missing if you think this slot is scummy. It just looks like you're being opportunistic towards this guy. And then your vote on Blue Yoshi is also ick.

He's been popping in the whole game throwing shade at people and asking lazy questions.
Mostly from a motivational standpoint I see him intentionally being useless/active lurking; no followup on the questions or conclusions drawn or really any pushing.
No evidence to suggest he's figuring the game out and with half of his questions being on fluff and dumb technical-details I really doubt it's a priority either.

What do you mean there's no evidence he's figuring out the game? Can you read his mind? Give him a pass for now imo

oh I won't be replacing out.

Who is the scummiest person for me to filter?

JarJar, ISO Jar Jar


I couldn't possibly be more bored of the trend against drmy, and the bickering between Transcend/Rask

Lets get more votes on JarJar, good things will happen when this slot is feeling pressured

[Bacde]

Anyways: People were V/LA for Memorial Day most likely. The ante for this game and its content should be upped a bit. Kudos to everyone for not replacing out yet.

PEDIT: Fine. VOTE: JarJarDrinks

Still don't feel good about Rask but this needs pressure.

Welcome back

what is "LAMIST"?

dude pull your shit together lmao

[Bacde]

lmao

[Bacde]

^^lamist

[Bacde]

I forget what it was but his entrance set me off as bad

You forgot? You know you're allowed to go back and read previous pages right?

Can you explain what it was about my entrance that was "bad"?

and then he set me off again when he took advantage of the weird counter-scout current that happened a few pages ago and tried to wagon him

LIAR! I pretty much STARTED the anti-scout stuff, I didn't "take advantage" of anything. Also you're calling it a counter? Who is it countering?

and he hasn't moved on from there.

First off: I hadn't made a single post since then.

Second: Why is it scummy to keep my vote on my scumread?

Scout seems like an easy town target

Why can't scout be scum?

Dude I feel like you are making a huge attempt to argue semantics with me rather than address the meat of my arguments

Like, who cares the exact reason I didn't like your first post? Do you think that someone not liking a first post is going to have a STRONG reason as to why its bad anyway? Its mostly gut but for your sake I'll go back and reread and let you know exactly what it is

Here's what I remember about the scout situation: most people were townreading or nullreading him, then he started posting a lot and freaking out and seemingly generally newbie and saying "I'm gonna be n1ed or lynched d2 because I'm so out there", and then people were weirded out by him and going "what the heck man", and then you voted him. It looked like an opportunistic vote that wasn't actually accomplishing anything besides trying to either hide your vote or see if you could get a bandwagon going on someone who I read as town. Why are you making a point about the definition of the word "counter"? It was counter-scout, as in, going against scout. I don't see what there is to be confused about here but go ahead and clarify if I'm missing something.

I'm not keeping exact track of your posts but I mean, if your next post had been "oh nvm scout seems town actually" after my vote I might have moved it away from you.

I don't have an answer for why scout can't be scum besides that I townread him. What do you want me to say here? He hasn't done anything scummy. Unlike you. Also here's your first post:

strongly townreading Dunn. I think he was right when scumreading Rask.

I don't really like Zach as scum though. I can see him making that post as a joke.

VOTE: Raskolnikov

There's several Rask posts I don't like. Gonna point em out in a few.

I remember why I didn't like it now. You hopped on the Rask wagon, which was a boring and weak vote that was easily ignorable on a boring and unimpressive wagon, kind of like you want to hide. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Just fyi guys, I'm mostly an emotional and tone type player. Solid logical arguments can sway me, but the nature of the game as it is means that theres not a lot of solid logical arguments in the game that can't be nullified with a "BUT WHAT IF HE IS SCUM" argument, and there really isn't going to be much solid evidence to go off of on d1

K nice, stop commenting on useless shit and put your vote somewhere, perhaps, on JarJar.

Not ready yet. Still got seven pages to catch up. And now three more pages since I last posted. You guys are chatty.

I prefer sitting back a tad and observing the machine on a sociological plane. I'll get there. So far I don't have any super strong scum reads, and I don't want to get in the way of them developing.

I do not dig this.

VOTE: BlueYoshi

Why?

because I scumread him

I do not dig this either. Both of you are playing like scum. Give me some content or die.

nnn_thekushmountains's defence of Jar JarDrinks is weak.

All right, now for a bit more catch-up.

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

why did you feel the need to even point that out?

This is good. So is Zach's reads list at 244. On the other hand, inspectorscout's reads list at 301 is evasive.

dude you are lazy as hell, I literally posted reasons why I was voting JarJar in that same post. Are you gonna do any work yourself or do I have to make sure to bold your name for every point I make that could be relevant to the game? Because then I would just bold everything I say

[Bacde]

Why do people scumread Blue Yoshi? Because he changed his mind on a vote?

[Bacde]

Bacde isn't making a whole lot of sense. Man, answer jarjar's questions at the very least. Gut feeling isn't enough, and if you're going to claim it is you can lynch yourself right off.

???????????????????????????????i am answering his questions

why are you having trouble understanding me

[Bacde]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

[Bacde]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

rr..rroof roof



also a reads list isnt lamist... that uh.......yeah.. no.

except his reads list is bs

he's just following the trends and I haven't seen any critical thinking or spectacular reads from him

what makes you think he is town?

[Bacde]

my vote might switch to bacde off the strenGTH OF THAT

oh no

[Bacde]

ok his townread of tommy was a surprise but it definitely doesn't make me think that his reads are in any way shape or form real or based on actual thought, analysis, and conclusion

[Bacde]

ok his townread of tommy was a surprise but it definitely doesn't make me think that his reads are in any way shape or form real or based on actual thought, analysis, and conclusion

Your own reads are gut apparently, so that's quite hypocritical.

I'm an emotional player but that doesn't mean I don't use analysis or critical thought?

Also counter-intuitively being hypocritical isn't a scumtell, town does it all the time

[Bacde]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

rr..rroof roof



also a reads list isnt lamist... that uh.......yeah.. no.

except his reads list is bs

he's just following the trends and I haven't seen any critical thinking or spectacular reads from him

what makes you think he is town?

um.......according to you

the act of posting reads lists isn't really alignment indicative but it isn't LOOK AT M E I M SO TOWN

my vote might switch to bacde off the strenGTH OF THAT

I think it may be your personality, or that awful avatar, but I hate all of your posts.

WHEN I WAS YOUNG I WAS A HEAT BLOWER REVOLVERS WITH SPEED LOADERS NOW ITS A DRUM IN A TOMMY GUN LOOK LIKE IM SWINGING A LEAF BLOWER


OR I COULDA GOT HIM SLAUGHTERED AT THE BORDER... BY AN EAST AFRICAN KID THAT I SPONSORED FOR A QUARTER

dude, its lamist because his reads aren't helpful and the post gives the impression he is doing town work when he isn't

[Bacde]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

Dude seriously? You're reasoning for townreading scout was basically "uh IDK, cause". You can't seriously be trying to move people off his wagon for a gut townread that u cant explain?

what makes you think I can't explain it?

He literally

has not done anything scummy

I explained this already in my earlier post, why are you saying that I'm not explaining myself? You accused me of lying but it seems like you aren't even reading my posts

[Bacde]

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

ding ding ding we have a winner

[Bacde]

ok his townread of tommy was a surprise but it definitely doesn't make me think that his reads are in any way shape or form real or based on actual thought, analysis, and conclusion

Your own reads are gut apparently, so that's quite hypocritical.

I'm an emotional player but that doesn't mean I don't use analysis or critical thought?

Also counter-intuitively

being hypocritical isn't a scumtell

, town does it all the time

Missed this earlier

Zach, why so arrogant?

If you are town you should care about our opinions

Hey scout, if you think "If X then Y" posts are scummy then should we scumread you for this?

[Bacde]

dude, its lamist because his reads aren't helpful and the post gives the impression he is doing town work when he isn't

Please point out some spectacular reads that you've made thus far...

So you want me to fake a reads list like you?



if you've been reading my posts it should be clear who my townreads are, but I can spell it out for you

I townread transcend dunn and scout still,

I scumread you

I have a good enough feeling about tommy, zach, and trivium to address them and talk to them without making fun of them, which you would translate as a "townlean" if I was trying as hard as you to make a big deal out of how town I am with a reads list

Still no real read on drmy or raskol or blueyoshi which means I don't scumread them. If anyone wants to point out why they are scum I'm all ears, but right now I think they are getting way too much attention when we can just lynch them later if they are still being useless. Being useless d1 isn't really a scumtell. Continuing to be useless through d4 definitely is

[Bacde]

Vote JarJar Dunn good things will happen

your read on him is wrong

[Bacde]

UNVOTE: AlpacaAlpaca
Porbably not a good idea

Vote JarJar Dunn good things will happen

your read on him is wrong

No it's not

I figure if I repeat myself enough you'll make some sort of argument as to why he is town

[Bacde]

forgive me if I don't change my vote based on that =-]

[Bacde]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

Dude seriously? You're reasoning for townreading scout was basically "uh IDK, cause". You can't seriously be trying to move people off his wagon for a gut townread that u cant explain?

what makes you think I can't explain it?

Because that's what you said.

I don't have an answer for why scout can't be scum besides that I townread him.

This is you arguing with me about semantics and pretending to have caught me in some sort of trap, lmao

Asking me "Why can't scout be scum" is a COMPLETELY different question than "Why do you townread scout"

Your quote of me in 478 is me answering your question as to how its impossible to answer "Why can't scout be scum"

ANYBODY can be scum homie

If you actually cared about my reads then after I said "I townread scout" you would have asked me "Why do you townread scout" (a question you have never asked me), not assume I have no reasons

I've already explained multiple times why I townread scout, he hasn't done anything scummy, he is flailing around like town, he is saying things that don't make sense from scum

Why don't you care that a lot of other players in the game townread scout too?

Heres my question for you: If you scumread me (and it seems like you are pretending to scumread me), why haven't you voted me? Why are you waiting for other players to vote me before you feel confident enough to vote me?

You are scum scum scum

scum

scum scum

scum

Vote for JarJar plz

[Bacde]

That's a pretty solid case against bacde

no its not hahahahaha

[Bacde]

See alpaca I disagree, I think

day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands.

After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

I think

some players

are trying to misconstrue me playing my cards close to my chest as me "not having reasons" for my reads and actions, when this couldn't be further from the truth

Moving drmyshotty to my town pile

[Bacde]

All I'm doing is answering your question about the reason I think you can't explain your townread.

Stop it.

This right there.

Stop saying "I can't explain my townread"

I've explained it like 3 times

Who is being confusing, me or you?

Because its hard for me to believe that you aren't intentionally misdirecting the town when you are lying about my actions

[Bacde]

See alpaca I disagree, I think

day one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands.

After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.

I think

some players

are trying to misconstrue me playing my cards close to my chest as me "not having reasons" for my reads and actions, when this couldn't be further from the truth

Moving drmyshotty to my town pile

I am genuinely confused by what you mean/what you are inferring, why you have bolded that part of Shotty's post, and why this makes Shotty town. Mind explaining?
(re posting so it doesn't look terrible)

The bolded part is a town sentiment. One that I agree with. And one similar to the way I'm playing today as well.

[Bacde]

ANd how do you seriously say that I'm the one who's arguing semantics when this is you're next sentence?

I apologize, I should have phrased it "

we

are arguing about semantics instead of being productive to the game" instead of "You arguing with me" which to me means the same thing

Oh look its happening again

[Bacde]

ouch my ego

[Bacde]

Why don't you care that a lot of other players in the game townread scout too?

Why don't u care that a lot townread me?

I've been asking people why they townread you
Are you just not very aware of whats going on? lol Maybe you really do think I haven't explained my read on scout

@Bacde - Ok if thats how you see it, I see it as an easy out but I also like to nit pick people

I mean sure, its an easy out. But its also something that was townie from drmy, definitely not scummy

See if I feel the same way about people not explaining themselves on d3 or d4 (I feel differently)

[Bacde]

can we not lynch drmy guys I'd consider a different compromise but not him or scout

[Bacde]

Well you are L-1 so you might as well claim

[Bacde]

or unvote, its your choice

[Bacde]

I'm pretty sure you know that its stupid to vote yourself as town or as scum I'm not gonna coddle you here lol

[Bacde]

vote jarjar

I'm also willing to vote for nnn

[Bacde]

vote jarjar

I'm also willing to vote for nnn

As one of the only decent players in the game, I want your opinion on my reads.

Are you saying that I'm decent or that you are decent

lol

I'll look at them tomorrow probably, I got stuff tonight!

[Bacde]

So my weekend was awesome thanks for asking guys, sorry though I slacked on this game I plan on getting to it today

[Bacde]

Sorry, I've really been slacking on this game

I have an upcoming board exam and I've been studying hard, in addition to the recent weekend

I have been running this game over in my head though. I haven't really caught up on anything new today but I have a serious question--Why are there not more votes on nnn? He went way up my scumdar with his stupid hammer vote yesterday and iirc he is experienced enough to know to not hammer stupidly. I'm still cool with lynching JarJar based on yesterday but does anyone want to compromise on nnn? Because I'm not feeling a scout lynch and it looks like its all the same people on scout/jarjar respectively

Unless anyone has any new arguments based on today as to why we should lynch scout, again I haven't really seen today stuff

[Bacde]

It is kinda crazy that kush has received basically zero pressure.

But in my mind the only scum motivation for the quickhammmer is if he believed that shotty escaping the noose meant it was likely that a scumbuddy would get hanged instead. And since the most likely candidates @ that point were only myself and scout, I'd prefer to hang scout before hanging kush. If scout were to flip red then I'd look hard @ kush.

I'm not seeing that association between scout and kush

What town motivation does kush have for quickhammering? It was clearly stated on the same page that he voted that drmy was at L-1, there's no way he missed it

Does it seem like kush is that logical of a player to you that he would only quickhammer to save a buddy? I haven't got that sense from him

[Bacde]

I feel like Lowell is a cop-out vote compared to kush, I'll reread him though I haven't really given him too much thought and I'm not sure why

[Bacde]

Hey guys I haven't really been able to see the game but I'm still most interested in running up Jarjar or possible nnn_kushdude

really not interested in running up scout or lowell

Also I guarantee scum was on the lowell wagon with how quickly it built up and dissipated like a dude in manic psychosis

[Bacde]

Someone's gonna be mad afterlife...

drmyshottyizsik is being lynched today

VC 1.14

Votecount 1.14

[0] Tommy
[0] Raskolnikov

[7] drmyshottyizsik - Dunnstral, AlpacaAlpaca, Tommy, Raskolnikov, Lowell, drmyshottyizsik, nnn_thekushmountains

[LYNCH]

[0] Lowell
[0] Dunnstral
[0] Zachstralkita
[0] nnn_thekushmountains
[0] AlpacaAlpaca
[0] Transcend
[3] JarJarDrinks - Bacde, Transcend, inspectorscout
[0] Trivium
[2] inspectorscout - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): Trivium

Majority has been reached.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-10 16:30:00)

Some you'll know there are things watching you.

Seeking replacement for nnn_thekushmountains if he doesn't post within the next 25 minutes

VC 2.9

Votecount 2.9

[0] Tommy
[0] Raskolnikov

[5] Lowell - JarJarDrinks, Raskolnikov, AlpacaAlpaca, Trivium, Zachstralkita

[L-1]

[0] Zachstralkita
[1] nnn_thekushmountains - Tommy
[2] AlpacaAlpaca - Lowell, Transcend
[0] Transcend
[1] JarJarDrinks - Bacde
[0] Trivium
[1] inspectorscout - inspectorscout
[0] Bacde

[0] Nolynch

Not voting (1): nnn_thekushmountains

With 11 alive, 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-06-17 18:30:00)

Cross referencing these two stupid-ass wagons, I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on both, leaving Raskol and Alpaca as places that deserve more attention

Mind you, this is only because you idiots aren't willing to put more pressure on Jarjar

I'm also highly interested in whatever nnn_kushdude's replacement has to say

Vote: Alpacaalpaca

since I don't want to pressure Raskol for secret reasons

[Bacde]

I just wanna see bacde's reaction when he gets back cause he knew me from like 3 years ago and it's a hilarious coincidence that he said "i wanna hear what the kush's replacement has to say"

hi bacde

PEdit: It's fine that's probably not correct but look into those people if you

really

can't find scum

wait what just happened why is it twilight

[Bacde]

Ok I see it page 61

honestly I feel like this is the first good thing Jarjar has done this game

I wanted to lynch nnn_kushdude sorry to see its you now Infinity

[Bacde]

BTW guys my test is on Thursday so I'll be more active coming up

lets hope this is a scumflip

[Bacde]

I bet this is a scumflip tbh

[Bacde]

I bet this is a scumflip tbh

maybe but i doubt he wasted my time by giving me reads that didn't matter as scum.

but maybe.

oh I didn't see he gave reads?

[Bacde]

reading Rasks ISO, I'd say that he had a green-check on Triv.

I can guarantee you this is wrong

[Bacde]

I would like everybody to really ISO zach. Especially his reaction to my blatant buddying and WK'ing.

Which post? I'm not sure I'm seeing what you are trying to point out

[Bacde]

Reason I think he had a greencheck on triv is cause of this exchange.

Also what made you change your opinion on trivium

Triviums town because hes super committed and zoned in onto his scumreads and his pushes are honest

I can buy this reasoning but...

it goes against my guarantee

I'm not sure how I feel about lowell, I still think he's a cop out FOS for people

I think scum have been awfully misleading in this game and I'm trying to figure things out

[Bacde]

Jarjar you seem p desperate voting for me especially if you think I softed a PR role

[Bacde]

Tommy I'm disappointed in you

[Bacde]

vote: jarjar

[Bacde]

This legitimately reads like my two scumreads pushing on a PR soft to get them to possibly hardclaim.

Not possibly. I think he should absolutely hardclaim.

And why would I even bother trying to get him to claim as scum? If I'm scum, I keep quiet and just kill him tonight.

I think he's probably scum. But on the off chance he's town and just made a terrible mistake, he's gonna get killed tonight anyway.

so you think if I just softclaimed the correct townie move is to try and pressure me to make me hardclaim?

your response is veerrryyyy interesting to me

I think you and I both know its not in town's interest to pressure me about that post

[Bacde]

a jarjar wagon benefits scum too much. you guys are going to ML on him i'm pretty sure of that

why does it "benefit scum"?????????

[Bacde]

Bacde. Read on Tommy?

I think Tommy is town and you are scum

[Bacde]

how will you react when jarjar flips town transcend

your townread on jarjar has been what has prevented this town from lynching scum

you need to seriously reconsider your reads

[Bacde]

Also that's hilarious that I single handedly prevented anything. Yeah. Don't make your inaction somehow my fault. It's about a 4:1 ratio of people who think JarJar is scum to me. I'm not why he hasn't been lynched.

In any case, we have actual scum to lynch so I'd be pleased if you would reciprocate


I'm almost certain Lowell is scum at this point, by the way. I'd probably be willing to swap him out for Tommy

you have much more influence over this game than I do so I think your opinion matters a lot

I've been really frustrated with the pushback I've been getting on jarjar since d1

[Bacde]

^^^this is why we need to lynch jarjar

what happened to lynching me bro

[Bacde]

Tommy stop being obstinate and vote for Jarjar

I'm not scum if I was I'd hammer you dude

[Bacde]

Okay Bacde, explain that softclaim shit from yesterday otherwise you're up for the lynch.


also Infinity basically called tommyscum

Lol no dude, I did what I did on purpose, it wasn't some fuck-up like Jarjar is trying to make it out to be

We shouldn't be at LYLO and we aren't mass claiming and I'm not at L-1, so I'm not claiming. If you really want to get upset with me and run me up to L-1 then do it

I'm mildly surprised I didn't die overnight considering the hullabaloo over my guarantee

Though it makes sense trivium was up for the kill since he hammered on Tommy


I don't understand why Jarjar is so desperate to connect me to Tommy though, can you explain why it makes such sense to you Jarjar? If I remember correctly Tommy was trying to lynch me, no? I also remember it being difficult to get Tommy to vote for Jarjar even though he never really said that he townread Jarjar (as far as I remember).

I have a feeling I won't get you guys to lynch Jarjar until we find his scumbuddy, which is going to be hard for me since Jar apparently has towncred now for lynching Tommy who wasn't exactly a power-player

[Bacde]

Alpaca isn't a bad scumread actually

But Jarjar get over yourself if you think I'm scum here

[Bacde]

Right, looks like we're playing this game again

Vote: Jarjar

[Bacde]

I'm mildly surprised I didn't die overnight considering the hullabaloo over my guarantee

So why ARE you alive then? If scum thinks you have some kind of tracking role then why leave u alive to potentially catch a red?

DOES scum think I have some kind of tracking role? Last I remember everyone was arguing about that.

I also remember you discussing mafia power roles yesterday. I believe thats why you thought I was scum--because you thought that if I had a power it had to be mafia power. Well, there are mafia power roles that counter-act our dead cop (such as GF), and there are mafia power roles that counter-act trackers as well (such as ninja or role blocker), so I don't understand why your attempts at getting me to out only consider the viewpoint that I HAVE to be scum. Your conjecture is too convenient for me.

Also, why did you think I fucked up so bad yesterday? Do you not think I'm experienced enough to soft when I want to and be found when I want to? I'm seriously annoyed that you are presenting yourself as some sort of genius for finding what I layed down pretty obviously, and VERY annoyed that you think you have the experience enough in mafia to both SAY what I did was a "mistake", AND ALSO PUSH ON ME FOR IT TRYING TO GET ME TO BLOW MY LOAD BEFORE ITS EVEN READY

Instead they killed the guy who's last post was this:

Also, with the way bacde is acting towards the lynch, when Tommy flips scum we better go for him next. game=bag

Like the only reason scum would leave u alive as a potential PR is cause you're lynchable. So why would they kill someone that wants to lynch you AND leave u alive?

Are you serious? You have been on my ass for two days pretending that I've done something scummy, not to mention I TOWNREAD Tommy (because you were making such a big deal over him I couldn't believe him to be anything other than a red herring), and TRIVIUM HAMMERED TOMMY. You think its impossible for scum to have decided to kill Trivium over me, when the only information about my possible role is that its QUESTIONABLE????

I really wish I could have kept up with this game better because you are sounding really bad to me right now

[Bacde]

okay JJD.

You did a good job at explaining why you're town and why you're not scum with Tommy.

I applaud you for that.

And I'm slightly beginning to 180 my SR on you because I ISO'd you over the night and concluded that the way you've posted rubs me the wrong way. But like your reactions and content seem genuine to me, and our reads do parallel (except for each other which we can work around).

Anyways now that Bacde is here, I'd like your case against him.

There's a dude on this website with a stick figure for an avatar that I can't for the life of me remember what his username is

he has an adage:

"cases are scummy"

And I truly believe it, its why I haven't been making quote-cases as is so common on mafiascum dot com

I highly recommend you think about why Jarjar's posts rub you the wrong way because his push on me doesn't make any fucking sense. He still seems to think I'm a PR of some sort and yet is pushing on me

BTW I'll claim if we do a massclaim, and I'll even claim first

[Bacde]

Hi Bacde if you wanna get the first word in before JarJar does, tell me, why you're not scum.

Hi transcend I'm not scum because my role pm does not say scum in it

I dunno what else you really expect here

Also Tommy was genuinely trying to lynch me so take from that me being town

[Bacde]

I'm actually not sure I wanna lynch bacde today. That's why I want his claim so I can evaluate better.

IDK if tommy was actually bussing cause it could have been him jumping on an opportunity. It was very similiar to how he jumped on Kush for the quickhammer.

If bacde can give a good explaination for his guarantee comment then maybe I'll reconsider. But I really don't see anything protown about that comment. Like the only reason he makes that comment is cause he doesn't want people townreading Triv. Which makes no sense cause it's not like he was scumreading triv.

pedit:

u shouldn't have softclaimed if you didn't want to get pressured cause of it. U say ur experienced right? How should a softclaim be treated?

a good player would generally make a mental note of a soft and store it for later in their databanks, NOT PUSH ON IT IF THEY THINK THERE IS ANY VALIDITY TO IT

GEEZ

it seriously INSULTING that you think I somehow made a mistake there

and I don't really feel as though I have to explain it right now, since explaining it gives scum information that I don't know if now is the right time to give.

I can see why you are so paranoid about it if you seriously think I was trying to somehow discredit trivium by posting that? I wasn't. I never even pushed on trivium so it doesn't make any sense to me that you think I was trying to act as though people should not townread triv. Though its much different arguing about this point now that Triv is a confirmed town and dead

[Bacde]

well bacde, anyone can say that, but how am i supposed to believe it?

give a case to negate all suspicion against you and to support you as town.

or i won't be convinced.

ambivalent about the massclaim btw.

what do you mean give a case

[Bacde]

Also Tommy was genuinely trying to lynch me so take from that me being town

here's your case

[Bacde]

Hey whats up guys I see a lot of posts asking me to claim and also a claim from Lowell but did we do a massclaim?

Because that was my agreement, I'll claim if we do a massclaim

Its also funny to me to see Zach posting that I'm sweating when I'm at work and unable to post haha

[Bacde]

They agreed to not do a mass claim but that both of us scummy people should

Oh no I don't agree to this

[Bacde]

Bacde just claim dude, i think your claim benefits town more than it does mafia.

Pedit: low key agree.

If I agreed I would have claimed already

[Bacde]

No massclaim. Bacde is claiming.

Not unless everyone is claiming

There's really no benefit to me claiming alone right now w/o a massclaim

[Bacde]

Seriously you guys are fucking daft if you didn't think this roadblock would happen after my post before work pretty clearly stated that I was willing to claim if we MASSCLAIMED

[Bacde]

fuck I even said I would claim first

[Bacde]

They agreed to not do a mass claim but that both of us scummy people should

Oh no I don't agree to this

Also I'm not a "scummy person"

Jarjar has just been yelling at me after he decided to start being antitown

There's a reason I haven't really moved my vote off him

[Bacde]

fuck I even said I would claim first

In Alpaca/Lowell, who's scum?

I would like to lynch Jarjar

out of those two, I would probably lynch Alpaca first, since he seems to be submitting and more nervous than Lowell

[Bacde]

STOP WITHHOLDING INFORMATION FROM US. JUST CLAIM.

Do you think I'm stupid?

[Bacde]

You weren't included in the they however you should probably just claim since if you are town forcing people to put you at l-1 isn't helping

No fuck off, I stated my terms

If people want to be anti-town and force my hand they can do that but I'm not forcing anyone to do anything

[Bacde]

And this information will help us out and if you eat a nk for it, then so be it.

If I eat a NK for it then everything that you need to find will be found

[Bacde]

Transcend is town here btw

[Bacde]

I'm not sure how that works. What sort of role gets its results revealed upon a flip?

[Bacde]

You weren't included in the they however you should probably just claim since if you are town forcing people to put you at l-1 isn't helping

No fuck off, I stated my terms

If people want to be anti-town and force my hand they can do that but I'm not forcing anyone to do anything

What is the issue with you claiming and why would it be anti town to try and force you to do so?

Pedit: give me a sec zach

what is the issue with people not understand what I've said and not taking it at face value?

I've done a value assessment, its better for me not to claim unless we massclaim

[Bacde]

actually, I want to massclaim

[Bacde]

I think its necessary

[Bacde]

actually, I want to massclaim

WHY

WHY DID YOU FIGHT SO MUCH

Omg claim already

because you said you weren't going to claim after me? I want everyone to agree to claiming thats how a massclaim works

[Bacde]

Omg claim already

no u babe

[Bacde]

TOWN BLOC, ASSEMBLE!

(Transcend said it was a bad idea so it's just me, unofficially JarJar, and Trivium's corpse. New members added depending on the outcome of massclaim.)

Jarjar isn't in the townbloc sorry buddy

[Bacde]

Well I recall saying that I'm not feeling a massclaim unless it's really needed. Same as you, tbh.

I also don't really mind an alpaca lynch I guess. There have been various good cases on him that kinda destroyed my townread on him

However im still not feeling a bacde lynch and im glad that it most likely wont happen - today, at least

Pedit: i think i get what ur hinting at...so i shouldnt claim at all?

ur gonna have to claim today what say you

[Bacde]

Your claim is the filet mignon of this fucking game the rest of ours are just those biscuits from Red Lobster (which aren't bad at all actually, they're very good)

TOWN BLOC, ASSEMBLE!

(Transcend said it was a bad idea so it's just me, unofficially JarJar, and Trivium's corpse. New members added depending on the outcome of massclaim.)

Jarjar isn't in the townbloc sorry buddy

hey as de facto leader of townbloc i dont think YOU were included EITHER

I'll insert myself by lynching mafia

[Bacde]

Your claim is the filet mignon of this fucking game the rest of ours are just those biscuits from Red Lobster (which aren't bad at all actually, they're very good)

TOWN BLOC, ASSEMBLE!

(Transcend said it was a bad idea so it's just me, unofficially JarJar, and Trivium's corpse. New members added depending on the outcome of massclaim.)

Jarjar isn't in the townbloc sorry buddy

hey as de facto leader of townbloc i dont think YOU were included EITHER

you might be quite surprised

[Bacde]

FWIW I've already staked my entire game on JarJar being town and I'm not changing.

thats not worth much tbh

[Bacde]

no i just wanna hear scout be like "oh ok lets do a massclaim" cuz otherwise everyone gonna go NUTS

[Bacde]

ok fine whatever I'm a tracker

n1 rask visited transcend

n2 scout visited zach

n3 jarjar didn't visit

there you guys go

i want full claims from everybody

[Bacde]

why did you track your scout who's been your #1 townread all game?

because I'm wise to the fact I'm not always correct



I didn't really post much on d2 so I'm surprised you feel as though you know my thoughts on that day well

[Bacde]

ok just read up

yes I have unlimited tracks

ugh I want to argue with jarjar more tbh

I grow weary of his little attitude

[Bacde]

are we in twilight now or L-1?

[Bacde]

Jarjardrinks did not visit anyone

Scout, who did you jailkeep?

[Bacde]

you checked the same person twice?

yes

[Bacde]

SHIT
I SHOULDVE REMEMBERED THAT
IM SO SORRY

it was pointkess to jail jarjar and track him but it was also pointless to jail lowell
Fuuuuuuu

well I figured you were going to jail lowell which is why I tracked jarjar

[Bacde]

also bacde a question i have to ask you

you have scout visiting zach n2

do you still think he's jailkeeper? or is he a mafia pr.

I think its more likely he is a mafia pr at this point tbh

I'm also questioning what rask visiting you actually means

[Bacde]

guys today has lasted less than an hour and everyone is here right now

1 town vote on me is going to result in a mafia blitz

basically I'm saying keep cool we have time

[Bacde]

I weirdly buy scout's OMG I FUCKED UP as town. Also thanks for finally realizing I'm not the lynch.

bacde/trans wouldn't surprise me at this point. my reasoning for thinking bacde's claim was real is mostly out the window.

fos bacde

no way both of these claims are legit.

what was your reasoning before and why do you not think its valid anymore?

[Bacde]

bacde have you speculated what role he might be?

he's not roleblocker or you would be roleblocked very obviously.

what pr do you think he is??

I don't see the logic of asking me this...

there's tons of roles he could be

he could be mafia roleblocker, he could be rolecop, he could be a scum tracker

If you assume I'm town, what do you think he would be?

All I know is that he visited Zach on n2

Also its not impossible for a scum roleblocker to have not roleblocked me or just have limited shots

Roleblocker is most likely tbh but rolecop is my 2nd best guess

[Bacde]

IF WE ARE ALL LYNCHING BACDE THE RULE IS:

WE DONT ROPE HIM UNTIL SCOUT ANNOUNCES HIS JAIL TARGET

SCOUT YOU MUST PROMISE ON YOUR LIFE THAT YOU WILL NOT DETER FROM THAT JAIL TARGET

we aren't lynching me

Doesn't anyone think this is a little hasty? I have no one supporting me here even

[Bacde]

you should know what it means

he got green on me

don't even pretend like he got red on me

he didn't push for me at all on d2

So its impossible for you to be GF is what you are saying basically?

[Bacde]

Lowell I axed you a question

[Bacde]

honestly I don't think Jarjar is scum anymore because he seems to be the only one today who is actually thinking plus I was surprised he didn't visit

everyone else is in a huge rush to end today before 2 hours pass apparently, how does that seem protown?

[Bacde]

I also don't like how no one is even trying to CONSIDER the possibility that scout and I could both be town here

we have no idea what scum power is, they could be stacked

I mean yeah it seems unlikely at this point but I don't like this transcend/lowell duo

[Bacde]

Given the fact that

UNLIMITED USE

COP/TRACKER/JAILKEEPER ALL IN THE SAME SETUP ALONG WITH A BP

DOESNT MAKE SENSE AT ALL

why not tho

I agree it sounds unlikely

but why does it "not make sense"?

They aren't exactly rare roles

[Bacde]

scout howabout this

howabout we lynch outside of me and you jailkeep me

I'm town and I really don't like this push on me

[Bacde]

Like bacde. please name a scumteam that doesn't involve scout.

trans/lowell

i see it as possible taking into account how they have been behaving this game

[Bacde]

like today this game

[Bacde]

Like bacde. please name a scumteam that doesn't involve scout.

trans/lowell

i see it as possible taking into account how they have been behaving this game

I thought you saw rask check trans on n1. Rask called trans obvtown. So your theory is hinging on the fact that trans is godfather?

Do you think thats really so crazy?

Look at how Transcend and Lowell are acting

[Bacde]

:fp:

[Bacde]

scout I'm not the lynch today

[Bacde]

Well this is game over so it doesn't matter

Honestly I still think scum is Transcend/Lowell but scout/Jarjar is also possible

[Bacde]

So you think me and scout are scum together?

[Bacde]

No champion scum happens in a vacuum

Tommy basically single-handedly found Rask and Scout the PRs by reading the thread closely

and Transcend pulled off my idea of clearing himself via the jailkeeper w/ his strongman ability wonderfully

Still MVP was probably Transcend

[Bacde]

but you overdid the tracker soft

nah i don't think so

[Bacde]

we won so I say i softed perfectly =]

[Bacde]

Jarjar sorry for using you as a scapegoat this game, it was just too convenient to have my vote on you without it being highly scrutinized

Hoping to play a game with you as town sometime =]

[Bacde]

Especially to you Transcend! Thanks for winning the game for us =]