Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Vedith]

Why would scum use that ability on day 2 itself if they had turret ? Why not save it for lylo enabling them a fairly easy hammer?

Who said it's a one use?

Nobody did, it is a probability.
Still, why expose the ability if it was a scum ability.
Gives town more info.

For a start you wouldn't know its scum and probably go with an opinion like "Why would scum use that ability on day 2 ".

[DoctorPepper]

Flavor. In the game, the turrets are made by Torbjorn and Symmetra, who have no connection to either the omnics or Blackwatch.

I wanna try something
VOTE: Wake

Flavor. In the game, the turrets are made by Torbjorn and Symmetra, who have no connection to either the omnics or Blackwatch.

I wanna try something
VOTE: Wake

Is

that

what you think?
Then I suggest a mass flavor claim.

^I'm sure Mafia have mod given flavor claims in

this case

. However,

this

is kinda undisputed to me, as I dont see how

this

makes sense flavorwise

I'm honestly confused by this progression. I feel like you guys are talking about something in the flavor I'm not familiar with. There are a lot of pronouns flying around, and I don't know what they're referring to.

DocPep, are you suggesting that Torb and Symmetra's alignment might be in question because of their flavor connections (or lack thereof) with Blackwatch and the Omnics? If so, could you explain this to me like I've never heard of these characters before?

I underlined and italicized the pronouns that I'm not sure I'm following.

Torbjorn and Symmetra have no connections to the bad guys in the flavor. Even if theg can fakeclaim, you cant fakeclaim them now that they actually used the ability. I think the turret is no qiestion, town

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

[podoboq]

Torbjorn and Symmetra have no connections to the bad guys in the flavor. Even if theg can fakeclaim, you cant fakeclaim them now that they actually used the ability. I think the turret is no qiestion, town

OK, that makes more sense. I don't think I agree with your assumption that flavor alignment = game alignment, though. Just look at D.Va.

[Peter Elric Pines]

I honestly think anyone in the list is capable of just getting DGB killed D1

Why?

Wake please

just look at the playerlist and imagine that all the alts, like me, have a lot of experience in MS.

If anything foxbird is the only new player

Peter is new-ish right?

new-ish in a sense that he might not have know DGB

but experienced enough to kill someone he thinks can be a thorn in their side

To clarify, this is my first game on this site. I have played on a different site, so I'm not unfamiliar with the rules(although there are differences that I'm having to get used to), but I am unfamiliar with all the players. I know no names. So Engineer is more or less correct in this last quotation.

No one seems to be exploring the possibility that the turret was a passive ability. When I read post 400, I assumed that Pepper thought he might have been the one setting up the turrets and that maybe the turret voted for whoever he had voted the previous day. I wasn't thinking too hard about it, so now I realize that's not very likely at all. But regardless of whether or not that's correct, isn't it possible that scum is using the ability not because they choose to, but because they don't have a choice? Either that or they chose to put an extra vote on Pepper. Maybe they can, at night, decide to set up a turret, and choose who it should vote for, then throughout the day, they can change who it's aiming at. Another long-shot, since it's basically a double-vote, but at the same time, if we assume it will only vote for who scum is voting, they could set it on someone else and frame someone. Yes, I know, it's extremely unlikely. But at least worth considering, right? (Of course, this is all assuming that scum does have this ability. I am regarding that as a possibility(more clarification below), but I think it's most likely that the turret is town)

Also, it seems like everyone is just trusting Tracer on hammers not counting. If Wake was scum and converted her to scum, wouldn't she want us all to think that hammers didn't count? That way if we found out that Wake was scum, we would still think she was confirmed. Then again, I'm still not quite convinced that Wake is scum(because of his predecessor's heartbreaking parting post), so I don't know.

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

The whole point was that she wanted to be hammered by someone she knew was town, and the only person she had that confirmation on was herself. Even if you were town, we couldn't have that confirmed(except by killing you, but I'm sure you don't want that. Unless you're Jester).

Torbjorn and Symmetra have no connections to the bad guys in the flavor. Even if they can fakeclaim, you can't fakeclaim them now that they actually used the ability. I think the turret is no question, town

OK, that makes more sense. I don't think I agree with your assumption that flavor alignment = game alignment, though. Just look at D.Va.

Actually, now that you mention it, it's quite possible that there is no correlation between flavor and alignment. In which case, Wake's predecessor could have been telling the truth about being Tracer, and also been scum. It doesn't completely eliminate the clear townie-ness of that post, but it does diminish it.

[Tracer]

>>> Tracer wanted to be

self

hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by

Town

someone who was not Tracer (player)

.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

Fixed that for you, love.

[Tracer]

But boys, I really really really really REALLY think Wake is town here.
Look at his faulty logics more closely. Do you know what causes the fault in his logic?

"Wake88 is town."

The fact that he's using that as a piece as his logic bridge and not being aware that it is only confirmed for him and not for everyone else makes him incredibly town. Common logical townslip.
(And yes, Wake constantly mentioning that he is town does not matter in this case. It's about his logic progresses, not about whether he is aware of him saying that he is town.)

[Wake1]

Let's just say lynching me would be a mistake.

[Wake1]

>>> Tracer wanted to be

self

hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by

Town

someone who was not Tracer (player)

.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

Fixed that for you, love.

Well now you're just flirting.

[podoboq]

The fact that he's using that as a piece as his logic bridge and not being aware that it is only confirmed for him and not for everyone else makes him incredibly town.

In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.

I still townread him for the springlullaby replace out, but I'm not seeing much else right now.

[Tracer]

Let's play a game.

Town

• Wake88
  
• podoboq
  
• Vedith
  
• Tracer
  
• Peter Elrich Pines
  
• The Engineer
  
• Shadow_Step
  
• Foxbird

Leftovers

• genji
  
• inte
  
• DoctorPepper
  
• randomidget

Murdered Brutally

• DGB

[Tracer]

In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.

I'm not pointing out the logical fallacy itself. I'm pointing out how he came upon it.

[Wake1]

Let's play a game.

Town

• Wake88
  
• podoboq
  
• Vedith
  
• Tracer
  
• Peter Elrich Pines
  
• The Engineer
  
• Shadow_Step
  
• Foxbird

Leftovers

• genji
  
• inte
  
• DoctorPepper
  
• randomidget

Murdered Brutally

• DGB

Elrich twinges my gut.

[Tracer]

I like how transparent he is.

[Wake1]

Meh.

[Tracer]

Just to make it more interesting, from my townlist, Shadow_Step is my weakest townread because literally the only thing I got on him is his hated claim.

And yes, two of my D1 townreads, which I said few hours ago that it still stands, are now in my non-townreads.
Exciting! (It's more of my townreads on them getting stale. I think randomidget is more town than Genji.)

[podoboq]

In my experience with Wake, he's good enough to NOT make that logical fallacy as town.

I'm not pointing out the logical fallacy itself. I'm pointing out how he came upon it.

The logical fallacy I'm referring to is "This can't be true, because I'm town.

Why can't everyone else see that?

" I feel like that's beneath him, but hey, maybe I don't know Wake as well as I thought I did.

[Tracer]

I don't really know him either.
But I also don't want to read his past games to see how he plays.
Because that requires effort.

[Wake1]

[quote="In post 466, podoboq"I feel like that's beneath him, but hey, maybe I don't know Wake as well as I thought I did.[/quote]

You don't.

[Wake1]

Attempting to meta me will be fruitless.

[podoboq]

I don't really know him either.
But I also don't want to read his past games to see how he plays.
Because that requires effort.

Yeah, fuck all that noise. Usually not helpful, either.

[The Engineer]

Leftovers

genji
inte
DoctorPepper
randomidget

Let us vote DP

Turret is love

Turret is life

[Genji]

I apologize for my lack of activity the last few days. Been out of it with various in real life stuff. I won't bring that into the game.
Will get to some stuff.

Right now, I don't consider a lynch on Wake or Tracer a good idea. When I posted yesterday I thought Wakes reaction under scrutiny was rather relaxed townie. While I expected a scum to overexplain their actions, he simply went about it in a way that was he didn't need to explain it, which while definitely not the most pro town movie, it was townie.

I want to pressure inte slot more right now.

[Genji]

>>> Tracer wanted to be hammered.
>>> Tracer was hammered by Town.
>>> Someone calls hammer a bad move?

You really should have let Tracer self hammer.

[Genji]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Doctor Pepper
If this flips scum then there was scum on the Tracer counterwagon

Can you go into the reasoning beyond this thought?