Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Raise to $400

I will probably fold to give the BP to Lane at this point.
I will discuss my thoughts soon, but I wanted to save my shot another possible night if I lived. I figured it infinity was scum, then I would be shot, so my thoughts right now is infinity might be town. Why not kill me if I was going to be confirmed as soon as he flipped scum?

I don't believe you.

[Fire Assassin]

Why smart instead of shadow?

Interaction with fire from yesterday.
See how shadow attacks fire and Fire is just making a crappie reason for the vote.
Smart seems to blame me for making a case and acts like that's scummy.
I don't get that.

Wait I am lost, why are you scumreading me now?

[Fire Assassin]

I don't believe you.

Okay, you want to go into why you think I will fold?

[Fire Assassin]

I don't believe you.

Okay, you want to go into why you think I wont fold?

Fixed

[Fire Assassin]

Man I should've trusted my gut on shadow

Anyway fire's claim is confirmed bullshit

It's fire/shadow, let's do it.

VOTE: fire

My claim is legit, but you seem to suggest you have checked shadow?
So perhaps you lied about your own role a bit.

Explanations are needed.

[Fire Assassin]

Right now, I am mixed on you farside, first off I don't know how you can still be confident in your reads at all, this flip on your reads I can't see the progression in at all.

I would expect town to show some doubt, but your confidence seems awfully high. I don't even understand why it is like that. You told me not to shoot infinity, and I didn't. How are you scumreading me right now for not shooting him?

[farside22]

I don't believe you.

Okay, you want to go into why you think I will fold?

1) lane stated he was betting his max already
2) you thought you were going to be killed but didn't shoot?
*cough bullshit cough*

[farside22]

bet 210

I think that's most of my money

Point of reference in regards to Lanes post today.

[Fire Assassin]

1) lane stated he was betting his max already
2) you thought you were going to be killed but didn't shoot?
*cough bullshit cough*

I think theres a chance that if I shot wrong, the game auto ends. I don't want to go into post game and hear complaints for shooting a town investigative.

Now, I figured given my role, I would be shot if Infinity was actually scum. since I made no doubt about my role.

Can you explain why this doesn't make sense from my point of view? Essentially I called a bluff on scum, the fact they didn't go for me tells me that its likely not Infinity. So my read on him is likely wrong.

Even if lane bet his max, he can still win this hand if I fold.

[Fire Assassin]

Given a possibility that this is a possible maybe LYLO, we should mass claim btw.
I have already claimed as Infinity.

Popcorn will go to you Farside.

[Infinity 324]

I didn't investigate shadow, he's just scum because the RC hop looks really bad with his town flip and because of PoE.

You guys are overthinking this. Fire and shadow have been coasting along, voting opportunistically and not giving reason for their reads. The rest of us are clearly at least trying to figure out the game..

I'm worried about scum having a strongman because fire keeps pushing the idea of throwing the money to someone, but I don't see a downside in trying...

Fire, you have no business calling out other people's read progressions when you suddenly started scumreading me yesterday for no apparent reason.

[Fire Assassin]

I gave reasons for scumreading you, what are you talking about this "no reason". You are completely change the script of events that happened.

I and several others called MM scum, you discredited and called all of our reads bad, I said you were scum or VI and I said I was going to shot yu, because you were not going into detail with your reads. I decided not to, but you saying I had no reason to scumread you is questionable at best.

[Fire Assassin]

I don't understand why you still don't think theres high probability that MM is scum, given the fact I never said I was going to shoot him. That he has the most money, so him having a night ability is likely, so why is he alive?

You still not thinking on this.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire and shadow have been coasting along,

I may start going into AtE if you say I have been coasting. You can call me scum or whatever, but never you dare say I have been coasting. I swear to god it will drive me insane.

[Infinity 324]

Fire is clever, he found a way to stop his failed push on me and found a way out of proving his big claim at the same time. Doesn't make him any less scum though.

PEdit: and then when I explained my read you didn't pay any attention to it...

PEdit 2: scum wanted to leave their mislynch options open apparently.

PEdit 3: well you haven't been coasting as much as shadow I guess

[Fire Assassin]

Not going to lynch today: Infinity 324, Lane, farside

Possitive a scum or two is in this: Something_Smart, Mathblade, Shadow_Step,

[lane0168]

Honestly it could be anyone at this point. I'm going to wait for mathblade

[Fire Assassin]

Fire is clever, he found a way to stop his failed push on me and found a way out of proving his big claim at the same time. Doesn't make him any less scum though.

PEdit: and then when I explained my read you didn't pay any attention to it...

PEdit 2: scum wanted to leave their mislynch options open apparently.

PEdit 3: well you haven't been coasting as much as shadow I guess

I am very confused with the beginning on found a way to stop a failed push and proving my claim, what? How are those related in this?


1) Your explanation was that "this isn't how newbscum play" which we all critized, then you claimed invest and you didn't even have a check on him. Your read was inexplictly strong and you shot anyone elses thoughts down because "not how newb scum" , like seriously I can quote 2 other people saying your argument was weak if not just outright dismissive of our points without going into your own read.


2) If math/mm have a guilty on a player through tracking, we are likely going to follow that. So why would they risk this just to "leave options open.

3) Thanks for saying I haven't "coasted as much". Right.

[Fire Assassin]

Doesn't make him any less scum though.

Wait wait wait wait. Do you think I am a scum vig or a Serial Killer.
I really want to go into this.

[Infinity 324]

You came up with an explanation for both you not shooting and for me being town based on your claim.

And also I made a whole case on mm but everyone just ignored it and continued on.

PEdit: wingback convinced me you could be mafia yesterday, didn't really think about mafia claiming vig but that seems to be what's happening

[Fire Assassin]

You came up with an explanation for both you not shooting and for me being town based on your claim.

And also I made a whole case on mm but everyone just ignored it and continued on.

PEdit: wingback convinced me you could be mafia yesterday, didn't really think about mafia claiming vig but that seems to be what's happening

Okay, so you think I planned to claim vigi to push you, then when I didn't shoot I would claim it was ploy to see if I would die and thus clear you. Honestly, I wish I would come up with something like this in my next scum game. I haven't tried a scum ploy since my horrible attempt at trying to fool RC by claiming BP and doing a no kill. That was a disaster.

Your case on mm was in a nutshell "newb player", that was what I heard, thats what I saw. I am not going to go into this debate anymore because its useless.

Didn't wingback have me as town? I honestly don't remember his reads.

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: The MM
Based on the chip dumping theory and a reads list full of nulls. If you don't have any reads yet, why put up a list? Oh yeah...because it looks kinda townie.

Because it has some leanings (some are so soft they don't show up in the final results) and I'm making sure everyone keeps track of that. I'm not writing down people as scum or town this easily as y'all, that's it. Do I need to write down my tiniest leans? People can change my opinion of them in one post.

I think scum!mm would just make a more defined reads list instead of having to rely on his explanation.

Infinity. Why is the mm town then? Why do you townread him?

He seems like frazzled noob town the whole game and has been going against the flow mainly. He seems to believe what he says.

I don't like the term "frazzled" for some reason. Going against the flow is kind of in my personality, especially when the flow is dictated by other people.
Also, the only people with no reason to believe what they say are lying scum. Townies only lie for gambits, and even then that's pretty horrid.

I don't think scum!mm would have questioned my townread on him here.

Need to voice my disapproval in at least one way: VOTE: Lane

Feels town to me

This sounds like such, but my bet was short-sighted and I recognize it. I was kinda between "oh look some guy's all-in'ing and I'm sure to eat him let's f*ckin do this" and "some dumbnut's bluffing is killing the gimmick, let's stop this rite now" in my head.
I was sure to only need to take one guy's money because of my own habits when I create such game systems, which is basically me screwing myself over, but whatever. I sure hope Kappy folds, at least this entire thing will have harmed the least people possible and I still get 1k$ until some people decide it's a great idea to lynch me.

This is really towny, not seeing scum faking this thought process at all.

(To all of you who say "yay finally MM writes town or scum in a read yay", screw you.)

Not caring what other people think of him, scum would try to blend in more.

We're both being sensible. Except for now you're voting me when we should be voting MM.

And how so? You're not just thinking of brutalizing people into voting someone else without presenting evidence, are you?

Frustration with being voted for no reason looks town

Lane looks like in the middle of a meltdown that is so incredibly stupid I can't get a true read on him because he pushes for my lynch like his life depends on it. Which makes no fucking sense.

Another very town thought process, scum wouldn't care about how hard to read someone is.

Lynching me is wasting the Tracker shot. This is complete and utter town sabotage, since the Tracker shot isn't given to anyone. This entire plan is dumbnut.

Really? So you're completely writing off the possibility for the mm scum as well. Brilliant. Absolutely fucking brilliant. The mm can't possibly be scum. The only explanation is he must be mislynch bait. What the fuck? There are several reasons he should be lynched. Love how he's one of the leading wagons all day yesterday and all of a sudden hes lynch bait.

All your monies are belong to me, which ofc would make me lynch bait because scum wants the power roles dead. It's one of the few cases where

town wins nothing

. As for your several reasons I should be lynched, your dumbassery doesn't count as a reason, me having the Tracker shot is a reason NOT TO LYNCH ME, and of course I've been making the fire wagon, so you're relying too much on fire not to be scum.

The conviction here is more likely to come from town, scum would try to just try to make better arguments to convince people instead of trying to fake a rage fit.

1060 just makes no sense from a scum perspective, though it is obviously confirmation biased and biased from personal issues that mm has with FA.

Basically MM says what he thinks and doesn't care about what other people think. His thoughts and emotions are towny and would be very hard to fake. I don't see anything mm does as scum-motivated, except maybe that he doesn't give clearly defined reads.

[Fire Assassin]

You could seriously easily put that into spoilers to save me the trouble, I am legit annoyed at seeing that huge quote wall. I kind of wish I did shoot you right now.

[Fire Assassin]

Not going to lynch today: Infinity 324, Lane, farside

Possitive a scum or two is in this: Something_Smart, Mathblade, Shadow_Step,

Going to correct this for the time being:
Mathblade is 100% off the table today.

I think she is likely town, I was rereading some stuff on day 1 and read Wingback case. Then scanned through ISO of MM. I don't like his posts, but he could be townie.

So right now:
Not Lynching Today: Infinity, Lane, Mathblade
Wouldn't mind pressuring, but not likely going to lynch: Farside
Woul Lynch: Shadow_Step, Something_Smart

[Infinity 324]

Can we just lynch this already

No way you're suddenly convinced that slot is town