Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)
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So what?
The fear of being tracked is not more than having a conf town in the game ?ShowThe shadows betray you, because they serve me.
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If I am wrong on Fire which I doubtIn post 1415, Wingback wrote:The intense ATE sounds very similar tonally to RedCoyote's ISO in this scumgame that I went through. (Infinity's sig doesn't apply here, funnily enough)
VOTE: RedCoyote
I'm leaving so I'd rather put my vote down now so people have the chance to switch.
Lane and MM are townreads. I can see RedCoyote/Fire or Infinity/Shadow potential scumteams. While I don't suspect Farside and Something_smart as much now, if I die tonight, the safe play would be to re-read both of them in light of flips and don't give anyone a free pass.
This reads like a setup to 1800 -- Bus scum confirm town bus scum. Coast.
Something smart town read. Farside town read.
Scum teams are either FA+Lane/Titus or Infinity/Shadow_step.-
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♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣
Fire Assassin(2):Infinity, mathblade
something_smart(2):farside, Titus
mathblade:fire assassin
Not Voting(2): Something_Smart, Shadow_Step
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)Last edited by Alchemist21 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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How have your reads changed from this post shadow_step with me being confirmed town and UNCC'd tracker?In post 1205, Shadow_step wrote:In post 1175, Wingback wrote:Why? If Infinity is illogically defending MM, shouldn't that make you want to lynch Infinity as opposed to MM? From your POV, either he would either be scum defending a partner or scum defending town so why would it make you want to lynch MM more? Unless you think Infinity is town defending scum in which case, his defense shouldn't affect your read on MM.
By the way, why are you scumreading MM in the first place? The only thing I found was Post 819 and you agreeing with Lane's point in Post 910 after he questioned you about it. That doesn't look like a strong enough read for you to conf-bias Infinity's defense as making MM more scummy. What do you think of MM's response to that point?MM-Infinity
Most likely, scum infinity is defending scum MM because MM has a strong PR.
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Less likely, town infinity is defending scum MM, because he is conf biased, maybe arrogance plays a part in this. Refusal to keep an open mind and just illogicaly defending MM, without any solid reason. Just saying he is newb town......WTF?
From MM's post it's very clear that he is hard town reading Infinity as well, only because Infinity is town reading him. That's an awful reason to town read anyone. He doesn't have a problem with Infinity buddying with him so much for no reason whatsoever. I can't imagine a town MM being okay with that.
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least likely, it doesn't make sense for scum infinity to white knight a town player who is scum read by majority of the players, he will get lynched sooner or later and scum infinity doesn't get much(if any) town creds after the MM flip. I don't see much scum motivation behind this.
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YeahIn post 1701, Shadow_step wrote:So what?
The fear of being tracked is not more than having a conf town in the game ?
Think about it this way, since fire claimed vig he had an out if he was tracked to a kill (not in the case of wingback, but still). So he's unlikely to be tracked. So he could do the kill and not be scared of a tracker.
In general a 1-shot track is not the scariest thing in the world for scum.-
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What is this game I can't even.
I kind of want to just find a strong townread and sheep them, but my strongest townread is Titus (who's voting me ) and I'm even having doubts about that slot.
The good news is that there's probably only 2 scum given that no quickhammer has occurred. And I'm still somewhat confident that farside is scum (or at least needs pressure), so:
VOTE: farside
It was mostly interactions. I am terrible at reading newbies, so I was really hesitant to commit to a strong read on him.In post 1693, Shadow_step wrote:In post 790, Something_Smart wrote:What do people think about my points against MM/FA? I thought they were pretty noteworthy but people seem to just be ignoring them.
Were you scum reading MM based on their interactions only or anything else?In post 825, Something_Smart wrote:I think I understand the BBT kill. It strikes me as kind of a "don't rock the boat" kill, to eliminate a strong player who hadn't really contributed much this far.
It reminds me of the droog kill in this game.
And I think what it suggests is that town's collective reads are way off, as they were in that game. I'm very disappointed that my MM/FA theory didn't end up being true, and I think that flip means that MM is town too. I definitely want to take a closer look at farside once again.
@Shadow: if only one person wins a hand in any given day, they will be bulletproof the following night. That's the mechanic that Fire wants to (ab)use by throwing hands to townreads.-
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In post 1709, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry lol. My case in a nutshell is that you don't just get to walk away free after mislynching RC like that.
What questions did you want answered?
I asked you how often you see scum pushing case vs sheeping votes.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Normally I would agree with you except for the fact Fire has been claiming to shoot multiple people, none of whom they have actually shot. If that happens and I track them to the kill I would be screaming bloody murder for their lynch because it would be a confirmed guilty.In post 1706, Infinity 324 wrote:
YeahIn post 1701, Shadow_step wrote:So what?
The fear of being tracked is not more than having a conf town in the game ?
Think about it this way, since fire claimed vig he had an out if he was tracked to a kill (not in the case of wingback, but still). So he's unlikely to be tracked. So he could do the kill and not be scared of a tracker.
In general a 1-shot track is not the scariest thing in the world for scum.-
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Farside smart -- I think you are both town.In post 1709, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry lol. My case in a nutshell is that you don't just get to walk away free after mislynching RC like that.
What questions did you want answered?
@Smart a mislynch is all of town's fault always. Unless you have specific scummy posts and some sort of logical reasoning more than what I have posted not going to consider farside.
@Fire -- How is it relevant how often something happens? That is gambler's fallacy. What needs to be determined is what happened here.
And until someone can explain to me why 3 PRs are still alive I don't want to consider anything outside the PR claims.-
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Infinity bear with me phone posting
This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?-
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Threatens to shoot infinity here. Didn't happen.In post 1009, Fire Assassin wrote:Quote wall of saying "no evidence" (which evidence would be feedback of some sort or what?), You then state I have a case and that its bullshit and fabricated, and I don't have any reasons. WHat?
YOU SAID I HAD A CASE. YOU CAN SAY ITS A BAD CASE BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS BULLSHIT?
I am so done with you.
Lynching MM today, shooting you tonight.
Yes, I have a gun.
You are dying.-
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Threatens to shoot a cop :/In post 1080, Fire Assassin wrote:Like you could claim full blown cop who has a innocent on mm and I would call bullshit and still shoot you.
Like what kind of vig threatens this?
If infinity is doing something stupid: You work to correct that stupid.-
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Because you said you would.In post 1486, Fire Assassin wrote:Why would I shot night 1 when reads are the weakest, I subbed in when we were half way through day 1 and you think I would be confident enough to shoot then? I am a 1-shot. Why would I waste my shot so early when my reads were just forming.
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So because they have a repeated track record of not doing what they said they would do:In post 1712, Infinity 324 wrote:Hmm?
If I hypothetically track them and it is not to who they say. I consider that provable lying.
I consider provable liars scum. Especially if the person I hypothetically track them to is dead.-
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You mean the "assassin" part? I think that comes from his name...In post 1714, MathBlade wrote:Infinity bear with me phone posting
This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?
PEdit: Fire didn't say he would shoot until d2. So that's kind of irrelevant-
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I don't know, offhand I'd say that scum push cases over sheeping them more than town on average. It's wildly dependent on the player and the situation though.In post 1710, farside22 wrote:In post 1709, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry lol. My case in a nutshell is that you don't just get to walk away free after mislynching RC like that.
What questions did you want answered?
I asked you how often you see scum pushing case vs sheeping votes.
Not when the town is willing to trust one player's ability to read another, as I did with farside.In post 1713, MathBlade wrote:
Farside smart -- I think you are both town.In post 1709, Something_Smart wrote:Sorry lol. My case in a nutshell is that you don't just get to walk away free after mislynching RC like that.
What questions did you want answered?
@Smart a mislynch is all of town's fault always. Unless you have specific scummy posts and some sort of logical reasoning more than what I have posted not going to consider farside.-
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Why would you out this?In post 1714, MathBlade wrote:Infinity bear with me phone posting
This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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I am discussing my thoughts towards the authenticity of both Fire and Infinity's claims.In post 1722, Titus wrote:
Why would you out this?In post 1714, MathBlade wrote:Infinity bear with me phone posting
This post here is either a crumb for a vig or a crumb of scum faking vig and I don't know which.In post 254, Fire Assassin wrote:An assassin walks into town and calls you all out to play a poker game with me.
Are you all yellow or what?
To me it does not make sense to leave three power roles alive. Anyone not voting in me/Infinity/Fire has to explain that. Granted I know I am town but from an outside POV I am still an option to be lynched.
A confirmed town is less valuable a shot because we were already shooting ourselves in the foot with these mislynches.
We need to get our shit together now.
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