Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[NJAC]

VOTE: shaddowez

Self voting is not a townie move.

@light and @superbowl:

What did you discusse as a scumteam before the reroll? Which abilities did you discusse to select and why?

[NJAC]

discuss*

[NJAC]

@Vedith:

What Kindy said. Also, if one of them flips scum we could get an idea about the likely setup scum chose.

P-Edit: It might be unlikely to include the previous scumteam, but one of them could still be scum.

[NJAC]

Also, I agree that recruiting would have been better than daytalk.

[NJAC]

Shadow is town. Just encase anyone here doesn't realise.

Why? I don't realise.

[NJAC]

Ok. I know this is a new game. I wanted to know what they thought as a scumteam.

Do you think this is not something worth discussing?

[NJAC]

That was adsressed to Vedith ^

[NJAC]

But seeing the type of players they are will possibly help later in the game.

[NJAC]

In other news, NJAC may have townslipped (or is faking it really well).

How so?

[NJAC]

Wait! What?

[NJAC]

shaddowez is confirmed as town.

Ok. I didn't read that.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Sora

[NJAC]

Also why do you want to vote sora? (this applies to njac as well)

I'm just kinda following shadow here. I realise he didn't vote Sora, but seems a nice place for my vote to be.

[NJAC]

@Vedith:

I know. But still seems a nice place for my vote to be.

Are you uncomfortable with my vote?

[NJAC]

Can you elaborate on "nice place for my vote to be"?

Not much to elaborate actually. Sort of a RVS vote. Sort of a pressure vote. Sort of maybe shadow could be onto something.

[NJAC]

I'm still curious @light and @superbowl:

Which one of you was the first to propose choosing daytalk? Did the other one insta agree with it? Was there another proposal considered?

[NJAC]

I'm GMT-5 (basically EST, IIRC). I'll probably post during mornings and maybe afternoons, depending on the amount of work I have to do in the office. I won't post much on weekends.

I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

Why exactly is that?

[NJAC]

If anyone wants to know that doesn't see Vedith being scummy, I'll make a solid case perhaps tomorrow morning.

I want to know.

[NJAC]

@Sora:

I agree with what you said about Vedith. I'm also not a fan of his recent posts.

However Kindy is more in the townie side of null for me, but I'll let her defend herself.

[NJAC]

Regardless, we should focus on finding my buddy(s) atm.

As it stands

NJAC
Lycanfire
shaddowez

Are not my buddies.

That narrows it down pretty well.

So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?

[NJAC]

Open 501 featured no powers chosen but scum were mistakenly told the identity of the traitor.. I think the town was given a vig in compensation... Who proceeded to shoot town every night.

But the Vig was not for compensation. We as town have two PRs from the start. In that game Vig and BG were randomly chosen from the start. The scumteam won, BTW.

What was your point in mentioning that game?

[NJAC]

Please elaborate. I don't see anything wrong with 55.

[NJAC]

And where are the hydras, BTW?

[NJAC]

@Vedith: do you think I townslipped, as shadow said? Is there any other reason for townread me?

[NJAC]

Interesting that Vedith instantly assumes the day vig was fake. What if it isn't? Kinda makes me wonder if Vedith knows how many roles scum chose...

Vigilante
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are now a Vigilante.
Abilities:
Each

night

you may target a player to attempt to kill.
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town are dead.

[NJAC]

I don't see a "solid case" against Vedith, and many of your points against him are based on posts he made after you announced your "solid case".

Your arguments seem forced and written just for the sake of supossedly support a scumread, but I have to say they're weak and most of the posts of Vedith are saturated with sarcasm (a bigger dose of it than what I'd like to read, tbh) more than scumminess.

However, this one is a valid point and I want to see Vedith's response:

Why would reactions mean nothing? Also, why are you overlooking Light Ganski's comment by offering the point of looking for a reaction?

[NJAC]

I mostly agree with Bastion but I want to say that interjecting yourself into an interaction is not always bad. It's also generally true (at least afaik) that keeping information to yourself (besides pr identities and other obvious exceptions) is bad for town, because the more accurate information we have the better. If you have an idea that nobody else has considered you should put it out there. Ofc I also agree that letting interactions happen naturally is also critical, cause you can get reactions/info and all, but I think you need to have a balance between those two sides of it.

Yep. I agree with this^. I was going to comment something on these lines about that. In fact, fencesitting and just playing as spectator is more scummy than interjecting into an interaction between players. But I recognize there are some instances in which is better to not interfere.

What exactly was shadow onto? Sora literally has one rvs post before this. That's like me saying I'm onto something with Raskolnikov rn. Regardless of your alignment, blindly sheeping the IC then claiming there's some kind of substance behind it when there clearly isn't is anti-town.

Well, I obviously thought it was too soon for shadow to be pushing Sora, but I thought he maybe (I specifically said "maybe" because I was not sure) might be onto something given that he addressed a question to Sora after his first RVS post, and given that shadow said he wanted to vote Sora. Look:

Sora - What sort of intentions do you have during RVS?

I sort of want to vote Sora right now, but want to wait to hear more from them first.

So, maybe shadow was getting a gut read or something, maybe based on meta or w/e. Not necessarily having a read from just one single RVS post.

Anyway, we should better ask shadow about it:

@shadow

: Why did you make a question about RVS specifically to Sora instead of asking to others? Why did you say you wanted to vote him? Also, what stopped you from voting him, given that a single vote was harmless at that point?

Combine this with the general lack of detail in his posts (51, 119) and it gives me the feeling that he's flying under the radar despite having the second highest post count. Someone who's that impressionable and makes empty statements (119 is again a prime example) is not someone I want to have around as town.

If you want me to give more detail or elaborate on something just ask. As I said in 119, I was reading Kindy leaning town, but I didn't want to add details because she was being pushed and I wanted to see her defense instead of defend her myself. WRT the naked vote on Sora in 51 I didn't feel the need to add details, but I gave them later on request.

More in another post...

[NJAC]

@superbowl:

Again WRT 154: You seem to make some arguments against Vedith, and you literally say he's your "prime scumspect", yet you vote me. This seems very silly, why exactly am I "the best lynch option"?

Also, there's already a wagon formed on Vedith. If he's your prime scumspect why don't you support that wagon instead of forming a new one.

Pretty inconsistent

[NJAC]

@Sora WRT 156:

Why do you feel the need to post a response to Kindy's "case" on Vedith?

It seems to me that you go back and forth sometimes defending him from Kindy's accusations and sometimes supporting her arguments. Your post reads to me as you saying: "he might be scum but he might also not be scum".

You initially supported Bastion's push on Kindy with arguments in 114 like

"I actually both agree and disagree with Sir Bastion that the random RVS unvote is somewhat suspicious"

(so you agree but at the same time disagree? ), and now that the wagon on Vedith is starting to gain some traction you suddenly end up supporting Kindy's push on him.

IDK but to me your post seems as an excuse to opportunistically vote Vedith.

I'm happy with my vote on you.

[NJAC]

@NJAC: Can you please give reads of some sort? I'd love to see who you consider to be the prime suspect now, if you don't mind.

Yep, I was going to give my reads after commenting on some recent posts. A bit of patience please.

Leaning scum: Sora, superbowl.
Null: light, kindy, Lycan, everyone else
Leaning town: Bastian, Vedith, shadow

[NJAC]

@Sora: you apparently was reading me as leaning town according to what you said in 114. How did I go from your town list to your scum list?

[NJAC]

Leaning town: Bastian, Vedith, shadow

Obviously shadow is not "leaning town" but town, just to be clear.

[NJAC]

At this point I might call a NJAC/Vedith scumteam as an initial accusation

Sure, because blatantly defending a scumpartner is such a great strategy for scum .

I've explained one of your scummy actions in that post as well.

Except that you didn't.

Reads can change, you know, and I'll explain my reasoning tomorrow, if you don't mind.

I'll patiently wait for your reasoning.

[NJAC]

NJAC: Starts off the game with an attempt to control the situation and lead the discussion with a question that imo didn't seem very relevant.

I wasn't trying to control the situation as you said. I was simply curious about the possible choices that a scumpair would discuss.

Also, very hypocritical from your part to call it irrelevant when you also commented on it and offered a reason of why I would want to bring that question.

Do you think that what had been written until my input on page 1 was more relevant?

Sheeping shaddowez b/c he's an IC isn't enough reason to vote someone

Why not? I voted Sora at the top of page 3 when we were just leaving RVS. If a random vote was enough reason for a vote, why sheeping the IC wouldn't be?

and 72 isn't much better.

In which way it isn't better? I just gave my reasons for the vote on Sora, there was not much to add. And why do you bring this now? Just for the sake of making an argument? If you had an issue with it why didn't you say anything at that moment?

73 is trying to seem relevant while trying to seem relevant while just digging up the grave of a discussion that died long ago in my mind

Please explain what do you mean by "trying to seem relevant". As I said I was simply curious, this is also explained because I was given the role of traitor before the reroll, so I had some time to think about the choices that my scumpartners had to face.

Because of his immediate attempt at controlling the situation early on and continually bringing up points that are dead, I have to say null-scum.

Now you are trying hard to make me look bad: "Continually bringing up points that are dead" . I went a little deeper in a point that wasn't dead at all in my mind. Which other "dead point" have I brought up? And again where am I trying to control the situation?

His recent post, 159, seems to redirect focus from NJAC voting Sora to why Shaddowez was thinking about it, and in 160 it seems like he's trying to make himself relevant after being accused of flying under the radar.

Please stop this silly tunnel and reread those posts, because you don't seem to understand them.

[NJAC]

@NJAC are you still nullreading kyndy?

Now she's kinda leaning scum after her reads on 167.

[NJAC]

I like superbowl's 177, BTW. Especially the fisrt part in which he clarifies the misunderstanding of the word "look".

[NJAC]

@Vedith:

Who else is in the Town-Team now?

[NJAC]

Well, you've provided me with some evidence now.

Ok. If you think that's more evidence then take it as such.

[NJAC]

Vedith's the traitor with kyndy as one of the groupscums btw.

Please elaborate this.

[NJAC]

@NJAC - why did you scumread Superbowl in 163

Pretty much what I said in 160, but after 177 he's back to null, as I can see now what was his reason for voting me.

[NJAC]

Considering that the wagons are heating up and this post
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

But that post is townie. What exactly is wrong with that post?

[NJAC]

I'll join Vedith's wagon if it comes to that point where I'm obviously not going to get one on you/

the vedith wagon seems like its going to be the actual D1 lynch

Y'know, I was wondering, why are you limiting our lynch options this early? You seem to be fine with lynching Vedith, but I still don't see why we should lynch him. I also think we're still in the early D1 and some players have not engaged in the game yet, so why do you think no other wagon will gain traction?

[NJAC]

Damn man! If you're truly the goon cop why do you think it's good play to claim this early? WTF?

[NJAC]

Damn man! If you're truly the goon cop why do you think it's good play to claim this early? WTF?

Because it's a weak role.
It also lets people actually scum hunt and stop trying to mis lynch Kyndy or myself.

I'm also confident in my scum reads to give out the information!

It might be a weak role, but in no way, shape or form should you underestimate the effectiveness of a PR.
*Waggles finger*

[NJAC]

I mean, you could have at least waited for D1 to go further and your wagon to gain even more traction. In fact you shouldn't claim without being at L-1 but w/e.

I wanted to see superbowl's response to my 218, for example, and see more reactions from the other players WRT your wagon, but your early claim denied us to see how it developed.

[NJAC]

Plus, your presence in the later game could have been decisive, but you just decided to make things easier for scum. I really don't get it but w/e.

[NJAC]

@superbowl:

In case you didn't note it, 218 and 221 were addressed at you. Please answer those questions.

[NJAC]

Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.

This post is scum.

Agreed, though I sense a bit of newbness. For some reason SB thinks every single read has to be accompanied with a detailed explanation, when it's obvious that this early in the game reads are based on little evidence.

Also, giving out constant and completely explained and detailed reads can even help scum to decide who to kill and how to adapt their own faked reads.

[NJAC]

I really agree with Bastion's 262. Pretty good post which actually reflect my thoughts on the players mentioned and the way they're playing.

[NJAC]

Votecount 1.007

I'm in Disney for a few days so apologies for the delays in VCs.

kyndy101 [2]

Sir Bastion, HighHopes

Vedith [4]

kyndy101, light_ganski, SoraAdvent

Hebee Inc [1]

Raskolnikov

light_ganski [1]

Lycanfire

SoraAdvent [2]

NJAC, Vedith

Lycanfire [1]

Hebee Inc

NJAC [1]

superbowl9

Not Voting [1]

shaddowez

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-22 01:30:00)

pagetop count: Vedith 2 | light_ganski 2 | HighHopes 1 | NJAC 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1

Votecount 1.008

Sending a light poke (unofficial prod) to Raskolnikov, who is VLA.

kyndy101 [2]

Sir Bastion, HighHopes

Vedith [4]

kyndy101, light_ganski, SoraAdvent

Hebee Inc [1]

Raskolnikov

light_ganski [1]

Lycanfire

SoraAdvent [2]

NJAC, Vedith

Lycanfire [1]

Hebee Inc

NJAC [1]

superbowl9

Not Voting [1]

shaddowez

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-22 01:30:00)

pagetop count: Vedith 3 | light_ganski 2 | HighHopes 1 | NJAC 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1

Can we please stop doing this "x is town" "This post is scum" etc. as just naked statements
It really doesn't help the game or anyone in it if you're not gonna actually give the reasoning behind a certain conclusion.
It doesn't have to be long sora style shit but just a few words would be helpful.

This post is scum.

lycan is leaning town, btw.

[NJAC]

Those quotes weren't supposed to be there. Sorry.

@Mod

: Those votecounts show 4 votes on Vedith, but they're actually 3.

[NJAC]

@superbowl: stop ignoring my questions.

[NJAC]

Ok. I'll be V/LA for the next three days. Would like to see more input from the players who have barely posted.

[NJAC]

[NJAC]

Ok. I'm back. Thanks for your patience.

Some interesting things going on, like a wagon on me. Interesting!

Not sure where to start. I suppose I have to answer Sora. More in a while...

[NJAC]

FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

[NJAC]

FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

who is this for?

Nobody in particular, just pointing this out in light of 370 and 371.

[NJAC]

I mean what is your actual case on Sora?

I'm in the process of rereading and maybe reevaluating.

[NJAC]

Why exactly aren't you ok with lynching HH?

[NJAC]

@SB:

Have you seen no lynches very often?

I think we have plenty of time, why the hurry?

[NJAC]

That was addressed to superbowl ^

[NJAC]

What? I don't follow your comment?

[NJAC]

What is really interesting is that NJAC follows this up soon by somewhat agreeing with my post suspecting Vedith in 119, then immediately turning around and saying that Vedith is a part of the town-team in 120.

@Sora:

I agree with what you said about Vedith. I'm also not a fan of his recent posts.

However Kindy is more in the townie side of null for me, but I'll let her defend herself.

So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?

Hold your horses! You're misrepping me here .

1)

119 was in response to your 114 (partially quoted below). In it you didn't explicitly said you were suspecting him, you rather expressed some concerns on him but I'm pretty sure you called him town. I mean, with your wishy-washy long "read" on him, you said you liked him but at the same time you didn't like him. Look:

Vedith - I suppose the most notable things about Vedith are twofold. One, his reaction towards the scumteam suggestion NJAC put out, and two, his response.

I like the way that Vedith's acted so far, as he's definitely showing a willingness to contribute though he admits that the overall aim of the discussion was pointless - it definitely seems to be a town-oriented mindset

. However, his reactions towards kyndy101 and the other voters seem to be a little bit of an overreaction considering the relative lack of pressure on him. In that sense, then, I agree with Lycan's assessment that he's being over-defensive. What's more, he doesn't seem to be doing scumhunting on his own later on, which leads me to consider that he was participating in discussion for the sake of taking part in discussion. He also seems to have a few relatively useless posts that I'm not a fan of. They seem to be aimed at diffusing the tension while not contributing much at all - which is something I definitely don't like. Overall, though, I'm going to keep an eye on him and completely understand why people would vote against him.

The bolded part is something I agreed with, and the other concerns I partially agreed, because I was also in the process of reading him. So yeah, I agreed with what you said about Vedith but not completely and exhaustively. I especially agreed with the bolded part. I added that I didn't like his, at that moment, recent posts, and that was my way of saying I agreed with some of the concerns you expressed but not to the level of putting him in the scum pile.

2)

In 120 I didn't say Vedith was part of the Town-Team. Here you're lying. When I said "we are the Town-Team", that "we" was to mean those in the list. Vedith wasn't in the list. In fact he used his sarcasm to say we were not his buddies. So Shadow, Lycan and me were supposed to be the Town-Team, and Vedith wasn't our buddy.

This is really a bad attempt to make me look bad ScumSora. You can do it better .

More in another post because this one is already lengthy.

[NJAC]

@SB

sir bastion

Sir Bastion


I was answering your question about no lynches then got the follow up post.

Sorry. I realized you had been called SB through the game so I had to clarify.

Anyway feel free to answer that if you want .

[NJAC]

Votecount 1.014

I am now first in pagetops!

light_ganski [3]

Lycanfire, shaddowez, Raskolnikov

SoraAdvent [3]

NJAC, Vedith, Sir Bastion

NJAC [3]

superbowl9, SoraAdvent, Hebee Inc

Hebee Inc [1]

HighHopes

Lycanfire [1]

light_ganski

Not Voting [1]

kyndy101

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-22 01:30:00)

pagetop count: Lilith 4 | Vedith 3 | HighHopes 2 | light_ganski 2 | Hebee Inc 1 | NJAC 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1

FTR:

Light's wagon is not scumdriven.
Sora's wagon is not scumdriven.
NJAC's wagon has at least one scum in it.

[NJAC]

I think superbowl is more in the townie side of null, so that leaves Sora and Hebee as potential scum on my wagon.

[NJAC]

As for the rest of your 328, @Sora, I'm not going to comment on all the BS you say there.

I was defending Vedith because I disagreed with some people reading him as scum. Is that your reason for calling me scum? Bah!

My first interactions with Vedith gave me good town vibes. Other posts from him also gave me town vibes. As you said in your 114 (what I bolded in one of my previous posts), he was "definitely showing a willingness to contribute".

If you want me to comment on something specific let me know.

[NJAC]

OK here's

So for the vast majority of the game NJAC and Vedith seem to be reading each other as town based on this interaction here near the beginning of the game, after NJAC initially calls out Shadow for selfvotinghere in 20.

Then, after shadow posts this:

It's unlikely scum would be questioning my alignment

Vedith immediately agrees by posting this:

It's unlikely scum would be questioning my alignment

Shadow and NJAC are town then.
We're getting somewhere!

Agreeing with the IC immediately is something I didn't pick up on before, and that's a little suspicious in and of itself, how he just flat-out agrees without stating any reasoning whatsoever. The later posts seem to indicate he's not being sarcastic, either, since he maintains this throughout the game. Soon after he makes this post, which 'confirms' a town-team of NJAC/Lycan/Shadow with very little evidence of Lycan.

What is really interesting is that NJAC follows this up soon by somewhat agreeing with my post suspecting Vedith in 119, then immediately turning around and saying that Vedith is a part of the town-team in 120.

@Sora:

I agree with what you said about Vedith. I'm also not a fan of his recent posts.

However Kindy is more in the townie side of null for me, but I'll let her defend herself.

So, we are the Town-Team. Why is Lycan listed with us?

My theory is that he doesn't want to appear suspicious by immediately jumping to Vedith's defence as soon as I attacked him, regardless if Vedith's town or not, because if he did so it'll be really obvious that he's trying to protect him. In fact, if we assume Vedith's town and NJAC is trying to curry his favor (being aware of this), 120 becomes fascinating. He refers to Vedith as we even though there's no evidence supporting Vedith as town at that point. Sure, you could argue that NJAC's townslip was evidence of him being town, but on that basis alone he considered Vedith town himself? The fact that there's not an iota of suspicion on NJAC ironically makes me suspicious of him.

Or I could just be reading this wrong and it's sarcasm, so sue me.

~~~~

OK, so I may be reading way too far into this one, but I really don't like the feel of NJAC's defense of Vedith one bit in this post here.

I don't see a "solid case" against Vedith, and many of your points against him are based on posts he made after you announced your "solid case".

Your arguments seem forced and written just for the sake of supossedly support a scumread, but I have to say they're weak and most of the posts of Vedith are saturated with sarcasm (a bigger dose of it than what I'd like to read, tbh) more than scumminess.

However, this one is a valid point and I want to see Vedith's response:

Why would reactions mean nothing? Also, why are you overlooking Light Ganski's comment by offering the point of looking for a reaction?

While, yes, this is the style of posting that NJAC has adopted (clear from his posts within the game, don't know his meta at all), I don't like the way it's written. Yes, I don't think kyndy's post was very well reasoned, but NJAC doesn't provde any reasoning at all. He says that they're weak and saturated with sarcasm, but doesn't note any examples within her post or explain why they're weak. He makes a point that her posts have come after, but it still seems like a stretch to me, and the softball question he quotes to Vedith seems to me to be an attempt to balance his post out to appear less scummy.

Let's compare this to his post against me.

@Sora WRT 156:
You initially supported Bastion's push on Kindy with arguments in 114 like

"I actually both agree and disagree with Sir Bastion that the random RVS unvote is somewhat suspicious"

(so you agree but at the same time disagree? ), and now that the wagon on Vedith is starting to gain some traction you suddenly end up supporting Kindy's push on him.

IDK but to me your post seems as an excuse to opportunistically vote Vedith.

I'm happy with my vote on you.

When he sees that my post on Vedith starts ramping things up a little more (eventually leading to his claim of Goon Cop), then he does immediately start to react against me (perhaps he didn't think kyndy was worth the time to respond to). I'd like to focus on the second part the quote, which I've quoted. He believes that my explanation isn't adequate, and that the wagon is heating up -

the most important thing to note is that at the time he posted, Vedith only had two votes.

Yes, he may think that my paragraph of explaining why I don't like Vedith's posting is fine, and that's all well and good, but to me (and this is just an emotional read), he seems to be flustered that I'm attacking him. This then makes me think that he's just focused on defending him, and I find it hard to believe it's simply because Vedith calls him town.

This ties in to his reads post here as well.

@NJAC: Can you please give reads of some sort? I'd love to see who you consider to be the prime suspect now, if you don't mind.

Yep, I was going to give my reads after commenting on some recent posts. A bit of patience please.

Leaning scum: Sora, superbowl.
Null: light, kindy, Lycan, everyone else
Leaning town: Bastian, Vedith, shadow

Guess which two people had a scumlean on Vedith? Superbowl had his reads in 154, and I voted for him as well.

~~~~

At this point the post is looking pretty crowded but posts like 187, 218 and 221 aren't exactly helping this case. In conclusion, I honestly think Vedith is probably town at this point and NJAC might be just trying to buddy up with him to garner his favor.

That being said, VOTE: NJAC

Have to leave now. More later...

[NJAC]

F**king quotes. Ignore the quote in my previous post please.

[NJAC]

Okay, I'm prepared to rejoin the NJAC wagon since we only have 3 days left

VOTE: NJAC, that's L-3 I think

So what's your case on me?

Opportunistic scum detected!

Superbowl expressed his concerns on my posts from the beginning, so he had valid reasons to vote me. Sora is at least trying to appear like he's making a case against me. But you and hebee's votes on me are the worst of all. No reasons, no case, nothing at all.

[NJAC]

Let's try this:

@Vedith, @Bastion, @Rask, @Anyone_Else

Let's join light's wagon!

Go, go, go the light wagon!

VOTE: light_ganski

[NJAC]

Light's wagon is surprisingly light, he's made some really stupid posts with one particular standing out (which I already highlighted) but I am going to have to be unpopular and say he's town and I will oppose any move to lynch him today.

I don't remember if you already did, but could you please elaborate on why do you think she's town?

[NJAC]

Then sheep me because it's needed!

[NJAC]

Oh wait, I just reread. I thought you said you would vote her if needed, but now I see you'll explain your read on her when needed.

[NJAC]

In that case:

@Vedith, @Rask, @AnyoneNotVotingLight:

Let's move that wagon so we can hear Bastion's reasons for townreading her!

[NJAC]

I know. I'm just adding it to try to gain supporters. I just want to move light's wagon and see what happens.

[NJAC]

What happen with people full claiming this early? Wasn't it enough for light to just say she is a PR?

UNVOTE:

[NJAC]

Oh. Well, the wagon on Sora makes sense now.

I didn't think of that

D: I forgot the scum could have daytalk; wow. And Sora has been pushing reads lists out of everyone..

Good point

I never thought about that

Really? You never thought of that even when I mentioned something similar?

Also, giving out constant and completely explained and detailed reads can even help scum to decide who to kill

and how to adapt their own faked reads

.

[NJAC]

Oh wait, I just reread. I thought you said you would vote her if needed, but now I see you'll explain your read on her when needed.

*backs off after Bastion indicates a change of reads on him*


Hm. NJAC is going back to null-scum.

You really fail to comprehend things in context, don't you?

[NJAC]

In the game I ran, the way roles ended up more abilities actually hurt scum. Not sure what they did here, but later in the day I have some strategy I can recommend.

Do you think now is a good time to recommend your strategy?

[NJAC]

I was going to answer Bastion's 449, but Rask already said most of the things I was going to say. Like how dumb I thought it was from Bastion to not explain his townread on light when the wagon was gaining traction.

I mean, if he saw the crumb and then said he had valid reasons to townread her, then scum would be looking for crumbs anyway, so why not to be clear?

Bastion waited until light's full claim to explain. It was better for us to out light as a PR, and not for her to specify to scum that she's a tracker.

[NJAC]

And now it's time to sheep Rask.

VOTE: Hebee

More people should sheep, BTW.

[NJAC]

What? What do you exactly want me to explain?

Fine, you didn't explicitly said you had valid reasons to townread her, as I said, but that's how I read it. I mean, you implied it by calling her town and saying that will oppose to lynch her.

So, you had this strong super secret townread on her, which I interpreted as you having valid reasons to townread her.

I don't understad your reaction.

[NJAC]

Meh! Overreact much?

[NJAC]

L-1

Don't hammer without letting me say my final word.

[NJAC]

[NJAC]

Bastion could be scum, BTW.

[NJAC]

He threatened to change his read on me but didn't do that to try to show a progressive change of read from town to scum, and when he saw the opportunity he threw a lot of shit on me as an excuse to vote me.

[NJAC]

Scum is in {Sora, Hebee, HH, Bastion, Kindy}

Bowl, Vedith, Rask, light, Lycan and obviously shadow are town.

GL Town!

[NJAC]

I've been lynchbait several times. And I've found that those who vote me for shitty reasons are scum.

@Town: Analyze who voted me with valid reason and who didn't.

Tip: Bastion's reason to vote me wasn't a valid reason. I'm unsure about Sora. Only valid reason was that of bowl.

[NJAC]

Kindy is more dumb than scum, so my scumread on her is weak.

[NJAC]

Yelling at Vedith and Light for full claiming without it being strictly necessary this early. And thus making things easier for scum...

[NJAC]

Ok. We can still win, so NVM.

Good Luck!

[NJAC]

GG Scum. Especially Bastion and Rask (I never suspected Rask IIRC).

I knew Bastion's hop on my wagon D1 was very scummy.

[NJAC]

And thanks Lilith, great modding, great flavor!