Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[Vedith]

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Can't we go over Froots and your scum read again?
I'm finding Froots pretty quiet.

[curiouskarmadog]

of the two leaders i am picking..

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

just cant shake the feeling this is scum

that being said, someone sell me on Ank being scum in regards to his voting of Kat yesterday (ie when he did it), I would listen. that goes to all of you currently on his wagon, sell me why Ank is scum he is at -2 (I think) now would be a great time to push "you man" as scum....

How come you are asking for a case on Ank but not on UT, given that you vote is based on "feelings you can't shake?"

You had similar feelings on me and I am not so your feelings are crap.

and lets be clear here DGB because you are getting a little flip floppy.

are my feelings crap?

or am I scum?

Dgb you seem to be picking and choosing the questions you want to answer all game. You seemed to over looked this one.

[iraonavp]

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

[iraonavp]

deadline's in 3 days

can people make some choices please

Untrod Tripod is right, more votes on them please!

[kraska77]

hey muffin why didnt you vote ira?
ira how did you think im town-aligned when u put me as null-aligned?

[iraonavp]

Not sure what that means, but zMuffinMan has given up on trying to mislynch me it looks like!

[zMuffinMan]

outside of the fact that there's probably more support for an ankamius lynch than an iraon lynch, i decided to consider the possibility im wrong - worst case scenario, if iraon is scum, he's got no excuse for being alive in lylo anyway and seeing as there's probably only two scum left (yes, this is a 14:3 setup in all likelihood), he's going to need a fair few excuses for every night phase he fails to die - but that can be dealt with at a later point in time if it comes to be

in the mean time, i figure ill go after people who i think are both scum independently and could be scum with iraon anyway. ankamius fits that bill and so does froot loop. i also think that if i am wrong about iraon, an ankamius-froot loop team isn't so far-fetched

the thing about this game right now is im pretty sure scum do not want to bus if they can help it - the day after a scum lynch when there's likely only two scum left and no really powerful town roles dead, they're not really in a position to do so unless they're really ballsy. which is why im looking at, for example, ankamius's 180 on froot loop (for no decent reason other than "it's a stale d1 read" even though his last words before voting cupcake suggested he still thought froot loop was very likely scum and the fact that froot loop wasn't voting cupcake shouldn't have made ankamius feel better about her) and thinking "this makes perfect sense if they're scum tbh"

[iraonavp]

Look at zMuffinMan's posting, this quiet backing down is completely incongruent with his earlier sarcasm and fake confidence...

I bet he didn't think of that at all when voting Ankamius!

[zMuffinMan]

yes, i've just been questioning him about his froot loop read specifically by pure coincidence

[Untrod Tripod]

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

it's like we're playing mafia with a fucking toddler

[Untrod Tripod]

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Can't we go over Froots and your scum read again?
I'm finding Froots pretty quiet.

yep. it's p scummy behavoir.

[iraonavp]

Speaking of scum-aligned behavior, Untrod Tripod and zMuffinMan are perfectly synchronous...

[zMuffinMan]

sell me on Ank being scum in regards to his voting of Kat yesterday (ie when he did it)

i'll give you my interpretation of what happened when he voted cupcake; i don't expect it to sell anyone, but it is how i am reading it - most of my dislike of his approach to the cupcake vote has to do with the language he used tbh

the first point is that 787 stands out as a weak way to address the iraon v me situation; it's not a stance, there's no substance, it's just nothing. to me, this reads like scum who wants to look like they're giving an opinion on an event but without having to actually take a hard side one way or the other on the matter. i suppose you could interpret this as him town-reading iraon and scum-reading me if you squint, but that's not really what he's saying (and if it were what he was saying, i would have expected him to have some sort of hard opinion on me today, given my light resistance to the cupcake wagon yesterday - instead, we have nothing. in fact, the opposite; he's disappointed that i'm reading him incorrectly, which suggests a town read, i think?)

most of the reason i dislike 788/789 comes down to how he phrased these posts

i think 788 is him deciding whether he actually wants to bus. is it possible that town looked at the wagons happening and thought cupcake was the best wagon of them? sure. do i think town would have expressed it like he did in 788? no. the phrasing here (both "out of everyone" and "i guess") is most of the reason why i dislike this post, though it's not so easy to describe the nuances here and why i think it's more likely to come from scum than town outside of the fact that i think town are more likely to use firmer language (e.g. "if froot loop doesn't happen, i'd vote cupcake" or something like that)

then we have 789. i don't really like anything in this post. the way it's phrased and the content of the post just reads like scum who's decided they saw where the tides were turning (or at the very least, wanted to be on the good side of things if the tides did turn that way and if they didn't then oh well, he probably thought he'd created a decent negative interaction) and wanted to maximise how good they looked from it. again, could a town player think what he thinks in this post? certainly. but again, i don't think it would have been phrased in this way. i mean, in the first place, what does the iraon wagon have to do with it? why bring it up? if he thinks cupcake is scum, the iraon wagon shouldn't have much to do with it (unless he specifically took issue with cupcake's iraon vote, but that's not what he's saying here). which leads me back to the conclusion that it was done to maximise town credit (this makes the most sense if iraon is actually town, though. it's not an impossible move if iraon is scum for a number of reasons, but it makes more sense if he's town)

i realise this isn't some rock-solid case or anything; it is what it is, and what it is is just how i read these posts. in combination with a lot of other things i haven't liked about his play both prior to today and today, it's enough that i'm fine with his lynch

[SirCakez]

UT is giving me really mixed vibes which is frustrating me
Lynching him is OK I guess but I really want Scum Loop gone

oh this is such horseshit. I've been calling Froot Loop scummy all game. Given that he's a bigger scumread, why are you pushing on THE ONE OTHER PERSON who has really been trying to make that lynch happen?

Well, FROOTLOOP seems town-aligned...

This is a very scum-aligned post, like he expects to be read as town-aligned for accusing FROOTLOOP... Just sounds wrong.

How does Froot Loop seem town?

[Vedith]

it's like we're playing mafia with a fucking toddler

Can you talk to me about Froots?
Without just pointing for people calling you scum, if we didn't lynch you today who would be better in your opinion, Froots or Ank?

What kind of information do you think either will give on a town flip (if they do, of course)?

It's fair to say that there's weak reasoning to your wagon. I'm voting you because more of gut and the way you are responding. I also feel that your possition on the wagon yesterday was weak and felt forced.
This could be said for others, but you seem to stand out.

Opinions of other players would be good too.

[DrippingGoofball]

of the two leaders i am picking..

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

just cant shake the feeling this is scum

that being said, someone sell me on Ank being scum in regards to his voting of Kat yesterday (ie when he did it), I would listen. that goes to all of you currently on his wagon, sell me why Ank is scum he is at -2 (I think) now would be a great time to push "you man" as scum....

How come you are asking for a case on Ank but not on UT, given that you vote is based on "feelings you can't shake?"

You had similar feelings on me and I am not so your feelings are crap.

and lets be clear here DGB because you are getting a little flip floppy.

are my feelings crap?

or am I scum?

Dgb you seem to be picking and choosing the questions you want to answer all game. You seemed to over looked this one.

Oh you mean these aren't rhetorical questions???

Your feelings that I was scum yesterday I know to be crap therefore your vote today based on your crap feelings is scummy to me.

If you want me to stop flip flopping make your alignment more transparent.

What stupid busywork questions

Now answer mine

I was serious

[DrippingGoofball]

MuffinZ is totes town BTW

and thanks for explaining so eloquently what I thought was wrong with Ankamius' posts.

[DrippingGoofball]

Maestro & CKD are just awful though

[Ankamius]

ankamius's 180 on froot loop (for no decent reason other than "it's a stale d1 read" even though his last words before voting cupcake suggested he still thought froot loop was very likely scum and the fact that froot loop wasn't voting cupcake shouldn't have made ankamius feel better about her) and thinking "this makes perfect sense if they're scum tbh"

How is what I'm doing a 180? I never once said that Froot Loop was a townread.

[zMuffinMan]

so what is froot loop then?

[Ankamius]

sell me on Ank being scum in regards to his voting of Kat yesterday (ie when he did it)

i'll give you my interpretation of what happened when he voted cupcake; i don't expect it to sell anyone, but it is how i am reading it - most of my dislike of his approach to the cupcake vote has to do with the language he used tbh

the first point is that 787 stands out as a weak way to address the iraon v me situation; it's not a stance, there's no substance, it's just nothing. to me, this reads like scum who wants to look like they're giving an opinion on an event but without having to actually take a hard side one way or the other on the matter. i suppose you could interpret this as him town-reading iraon and scum-reading me if you squint, but that's not really what he's saying (and if it were what he was saying, i would have expected him to have some sort of hard opinion on me today, given my light resistance to the cupcake wagon yesterday - instead, we have nothing. in fact, the opposite; he's disappointed that i'm reading him incorrectly, which suggests a town read, i think?)

most of the reason i dislike 788/789 comes down to how he phrased these posts

i think 788 is him deciding whether he actually wants to bus. is it possible that town looked at the wagons happening and thought cupcake was the best wagon of them? sure. do i think town would have expressed it like he did in 788? no. the phrasing here (both "out of everyone" and "i guess") is most of the reason why i dislike this post, though it's not so easy to describe the nuances here and why i think it's more likely to come from scum than town outside of the fact that i think town are more likely to use firmer language (e.g. "if froot loop doesn't happen, i'd vote cupcake" or something like that)

then we have 789. i don't really like anything in this post. the way it's phrased and the content of the post just reads like scum who's decided they saw where the tides were turning (or at the very least, wanted to be on the good side of things if the tides did turn that way and if they didn't then oh well, he probably thought he'd created a decent negative interaction) and wanted to maximise how good they looked from it. again, could a town player think what he thinks in this post? certainly. but again, i don't think it would have been phrased in this way. i mean, in the first place, what does the iraon wagon have to do with it? why bring it up? if he thinks cupcake is scum, the iraon wagon shouldn't have much to do with it (unless he specifically took issue with cupcake's iraon vote, but that's not what he's saying here). which leads me back to the conclusion that it was done to maximise town credit (this makes the most sense if iraon is actually town, though. it's not an impossible move if iraon is scum for a number of reasons, but it makes more sense if he's town)

i realise this isn't some rock-solid case or anything; it is what it is, and what it is is just how i read these posts. in combination with a lot of other things i haven't liked about his play both prior to today and today, it's enough that i'm fine with his lynch

That's a wrap, boys. UT + zMuffinMan is the scumteam.

[Ankamius]

Either you're scum or you have a very skewed idea of what my meta is, in which case you really shouldn't be trying to read me based on it.

[zMuffinMan]

you're the one who brought up meta, my read on you has nothing to do with meta

[Ankamius]

ankamius is probably scum

but then maybe i'm just saying that because he's lynchbait

he's definitely not playing his standard "gut"-based game, at the very least, and his reactions don't feel natural

Then what's this?

[zMuffinMan]

if you think that minor statement that i never once repeated is a primary factor in my read on you, then you're not paying attention. go ahead and show where in any of the points i've brought up about your play i mentioned meta