Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

RachMarie · Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:46 am

hmm

I wish we could get our dang town vig to SHOOT Gollum uggh

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:43 am

uhh no he did not I posted his entire thread remember?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:45 am

In post 5047, RachMarie wrote:
In post 3063, Gollum wrote:We refuse to read, only iso.

We don't investigate as town.

In post 3065, Gollum wrote:yes

In post 3078, Gollum wrote:Tell us why you are scum Drixx.

In post 3637, Gollum wrote:
vote:TownBlock

Wait he did not claim miller

WHY THE HE DOUBLE HOCKEY STICK WITH ALL THE NEOS AND VANILLA COPS AND GUNSMITHS AND JOATS HAS NO ONE CHECKED THIS ONE OUT

Boem where did he claim miller? I do not see a single mention of miller here.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:21 am

I thought he was claiming ascetic

I could get behind a gollum lynch though I would rather see the vig shoot him and let us focus on getting a scummier read, he is probably gonna flip town just to spite us all

I remember recently in a game having multiple replacements with multiple flake outs playing very much like Gollum here, and when we finally lynched the slot, it turned out to be the town tracker, the only saving grace was we had a backup tracker.

However Gollum NEEDS to go before Lylo for SURE

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:33 am

I would still support a lynch of Gollum though dude, since its clear our town vig is not paying attention.

We can afford it since we have lynched so many scum, I am just saying with our luck he will be town after all.

Dude needs to die either by rope or a bullet but he NEEDS TO DIE.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:35 am

A 50 any ideas without outing the vig which I do NOT want to do to make him or her PAY ATTENTION?

Because at this point I would be willing to leash the vig who has basically been killing off townies some of which make no sense for a vig kill and leaving people like Gollum, Pere alive?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:41 am

In post 5001, mhsmith0 wrote:
Time has expired. You know what else expired?

Skelda -
Vanilla Cop / Neighbor

Serrapaladin -
Citizen / Neighbor

Both killed Night 6.

It is now Day 7.

(expired on 2016-09-14 23:00:00)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

@ Creature umm ok explain to me how either skelda or serra was a better vig shot than Gollum?

I am figuring though that Skelda being a claimed VC was the blue maf shot and town vig went after Serra, who was lurking but over GOLLUM???

Im sorry I am a bit irked here.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:44 am

that is a possibility too if we have 5/5 plus an SK

still either way vig needs to do their job.

Gollum needs to go

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:01 am

In post 5108, Thor665 wrote:
Vote: Creature

I think this is still the smart play.
Gollum is a lazy lynch.
Other wagons are fueled by people either not reading, not understanding results, or being scum.
I kind of hate you all.

When Rach is looking like the most sane player in a game, there are serious issues.

Gee thanks, I love you too

If it makes you feel any better I am currently in a teaching hydra with Jiffy, and will be also doing one with Nacho in the future to improve my game.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:28 am

Math there were FOUR DEATHS MOST NIGHTS

Now those deaths had to come from somewhere unless you think both maf teams has 2 shots per night that means 3rd party SK and town vigs HAVE to be on the table.

We all agree there are no more than 5 per maf team and we have 5 red flips so that maf team iS GONE.

So yeah how come we had 2 deaths last night if there is no town vig or SK

waiting...

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:13 am

So if you think it is two town vigs, what is wrong with leashing them Math and making sure they go after people like Gollum?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:06 am

Yeah I know dude, sigh they are not seeing the forest for the trees allowing scum to just slide on by

we know there are definitely 3 more scum from the blue team, even if we throw out the theory there is an SK, there is definitely those 3.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:02 am

What do you think of leashing the vig to shoot Gollum, Elyse?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:22 am

Good

hey town vig SHOOT GOLLUM TONIGHT FOR ALL THE GLORY OF TOWNIES EVERYWHERE THERE IS NO REASON TO KEEP HIM AMONGST THE LIVING. TIA.

PS don't reveal yourself at this time, just shoot Gollum tonight.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:49 am

how about some more creature votes...

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:59 am

beetlejuice

I would go for creature or hebi or even GOLLUM over Thor, I am not as convinced he is blue scum.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:07 pm

how do you know that?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:32 pm

you really have a beef with shaz don't you

BTW how do you feel about Gollum, and I agree about hebi but I think we can lynch her and vig Gollum instead.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:55 pm

OH GODS Math you drive me insane in the membrane You would vig Narna over Gollum do you REALLY WANT GOLLUM IN LYLO seriously?

Gollum needs to die die die die die

seriously he needs to die.

He may be town, or he may be fake claiming that to try to sucker us all so he can just lurk his way to victory, If he is telling the truth then he is very negative utility.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:57 pm

Narna is a town read of mine because his game here is JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT JUST FINISHED

Homestuck uggh that game.

So yeah if we do not lynch hebi I would support a vig shot there, but still the vig needs to shoot Gollum there is no good town value in keeping him around none.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:59 pm

later

cab is on its way to take me to walmart to get the money order for rent gotta go

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:06 am

no this is town thor hes pissed off at the game play and I can see why
I mean letting Gollum live this long is INSANE

and what does he do when called out for it

post but Im town waaa

and call out some of the people who want him gone as must be the scum.

Well other than me but I guess calling out a cofirmed mason as scum might be too much

Yet Im the one who has been pushing the hardest for a vig shot on Gollum.

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:07 am

Hey good news Mastin's role madness crazy but awesome game is over WEEE so now I got more time for all of you.

Note to self: Never again sign up for three large role madness games at the same time.

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:18 am

How about we make a deal if the vig does NOT shoot Gollum tonight we lynch him tomorrow ?

I could go for that

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:34 am

Frankly I am at the point where I just want him gone.

And those last two posts just make it clear he needs to be gone and believe me scum will not kill him over other townies that make far more strategic sense.

so leaving Gollum and Thor aside (who by the way even though he is not fond of being scum, is actually pretty damned good at it and this is definitely not his scum play I have seen it and helped nab him in the end.) My play always drives him crazy though and generally he scum reads me for it

What about Creature?

I think Hebi is also a good bet for scum

I would support lynching either of those at this point over Thor.

I will also say that I love Math but they drive me nuts at times.

Gunsmith is not as good as a cop result because there are town roles with guns.

Part of why CB did so well catching so many of the maf (mostly red mind you) has to do with the fact that she had other clues that she was basing her choice on.

I think Thor is more used to smaller games too. I mostly play with him in Newbie games. And I think that is why she went after him. Because he was not being the usual Thor, it was why I was suspicious too at first. But I thought about it, he posted more, and I started to switch him over to be town.

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:29 pm

hmmm

good points

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:31 pm

And the red team is all gone now so that is not an option

What about the fact they keep pushing there is no way there is an SK thingy? A50 you think they might be an SK?

RachMarie · Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:24 pm

A50 I gotta poke fun here at our modly dude for a moment

One of my most favorite posts on the unspoilered dead thread was by Luna

In post 450, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 6110, RachMarie wrote:can we please not derail the discussion back on your balls again Wake.

At Wake sorry dude I could not resist

But hey we WON so your death was not in vain.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:13 am

As someone who often replaces in games I can tell you that replacing in is NAI. Most of the time I replaced into town slots very rarely has it been scum slots.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:23 am

well there is a lot to catch up on, do know though that Kling and I are masons with the already flipped Amalgram.

This means we are confirmed town.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:39 am

just put Rach that works lol

And umm claim correctly? I am mason with Kling and Amal who flipped Mason what more is there to claim?

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:43 am

oh you meant YOU claiming I have no flipping clue Masons are not cops

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:45 am

I will ask her when shes not sick to clarify cause what she said made no sense to me she did say what shaz said to her in the mason lodge.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:47 pm

Yes read the post again, still bloody clueless what it is supposed to MEAN can you go to the lodge and clarify Kling thanks

RachMarie · Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:51 pm

The Wiki told me a little bit and if I get the clarification from Kling in our lodge then I will not be supporting a math lynch at this time, Still at some point would need to know the other part.

Still not happy with some of the plays done by Math and certainly can see why A50 is scum reading them so hard.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:09 am

In post 5250, Thor665 wrote:I mean, it's amazing to me that I'm apparently the only player int he game who seems to think a ninja SK is even possible.

WHAT THE HELL?

No I stated a recent game where Slan was the ninja and bp both SK Unfortunately he seemed more believable in LYLO than hebi

It is Math who is so convinced it can't be 5 red, 5 blue, 1 sk with 31 townies, why she is so convinced on that IDK .

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:23 am

its just neither Pere nor Gollum have had any real impact on the game both should be vig shots but GOLLUM FIRST UGGHHHH KILL IT WITH FIRE.

Ok I think I parse what you are saying though the wiki example was different jeeze Math you are like pulling teeth at times

ATM Im not willing to lynch Math based on what I have put together with the help of Shaz and Kling

Creature or the hebi basic (who has replaced in said Im town then done squat) I would like to see one of these two go with rope around their neck please and ty

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:24 am

If the vig does not shoot Gollum tonight I will be either here showing my displeasure or in the dead thread blowing it up and I may even borrow rb's flipping table gif to do it.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:22 pm

In post 5258, Elyse wrote:
In post 5256, Thor665 wrote:Yeah, how scummy of me to not die when *everyone* wanted me Vigged.

What?

The derp is growing in this game, I swear.
I'm saying you might've been saved by a mafia doc.

I would expect one false clear in a game this large and since red scum hasn't had a doc flip, blue scum might.

Do you really think that blue team would have a doc but red team would not? is that kind of unfair to red team? What role that flipped do you think would balance a blue team doc?

I doubt there are any more reds left which is part of the reason why we went down from 4 to 2 kills last night.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:31 pm

@Narna

so you are thinking 5 red , 4 blue with doc as one of the 4, and 1 SK?

RachMarie · Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:48 pm

They meant if they get to L-1 I should claim their role for them

or confirm what we discussed in the lodge or something to that effect.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:11 am

Ira I am pretty sure you are town just derping like mad

I am scum reading and voting for creature
I have said that Gollum and Pere MUST GO
I have supported a hebi lynch (now basic and so far since replacing in basic has not convinced me of this slot being town)

Yet Vedith comes in with similar reads and you automatically say he is scum and that the people on the creature wagon are scum

DID YOU FORGET I AM CONFIRMED TOWN

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:24 am

he went after both Mollie and Jiffy

ok I get the point hes derp

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:25 am

Vedith talk to me in the hood I want to get some better ideas of where you are coming from on stuffs

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:57 am

Thor

Your thoughts on these reads I already know you feel the same on creature as I do,

I have said that Gollum and Pere MUST GO
I have supported a hebi lynch (now basic and so far since replacing in basic has not convinced me of this slot being town)

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:34 am

@ boem

he pops in posts a bit but not really anything of substance pops out again, has been hot on the tail of red scum but not so much on blue scum other than townblock and even then he waffled a bit,

His biggest scum read is Thor the one who has been pushing a scum case on him.

And pretty much that is his entire ISO.

feels scummy to me.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:43 am

Boem I have them on my list as well

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:49 am

umm narna you know that Basic replaced Hebi right. and was not in the game during the time Parama and Vall were in the game.

Gollum has done f*** all during the game other than a veiled claim as miller and his pred did squat but flake out.

I agree those reads from Math totally suck. Only one I agree on of Maths reads there is Hebi now basic.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:00 am

Scum
Creature
hebichan

MUST GO COULD BE SCUM AND VIG THESE SLOTS ASAP

Gollum
PeregrineV

Scummy play but that convoluted message with Kling and Shaz meh the claim man the claim
Mathblade

Town reading but weaker reads
Lapsa
Vedith
iraonavp
Thor665

Stronger town reads
Narna
Varsoon
Elyse
Boem_u_dusi
Almost50
Shaziro

Confirmed town
RachMarie
KlingonCelt

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:00 am

uggh EBWOP make that Hebichan/Basic Was using the list in the OP and it has not been updated yet.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:04 am

Gollum Bellaphant * JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THIS CLEAR

Belle did squat replaced out and Gollum replaced in and has done squat other than claim miller

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:05 am

actually Belle did less than squat there is not a single post in the thread from her.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:13 am

Just to make it clear creature was on my list before Thor made it cool.

His game here is NOT like his game in homestuck and that has been pinging my scumdar something fierce.

RachMarie · Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:03 am

odd night and non consecutive night are the same so is even night non consecutive night. I modded a 9P set up which had doc and cop on opposite nights I called it the Half Baked curse.

RachMarie · Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:07 am

besides its the same bloody thing even and odd night roles are on non consecutive nights or else they wold not be named even or odd.

RachMarie · Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:29 am

Ira is derp town he does this in every game sigh

I wish there was at least two full time town vigs in this game...

meanwhile looks like they want basic (hebi) gone today

Thor hopefully tomorrow we can lynch creature.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:56 am

Kling

Thank you vig for doing your job and see I WAS RIGHT CREATURE WAS BLUE SCUM

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:57 am

My lodge is now very lonely

so that makes a stronger case for town thor everyone.

On to Pere

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:04 am

In post 5420, mhsmith0 wrote:
Official Vote Count
Day 7 Final

Basic
(9): Elyse, MathBlade, Almost50, Narna, Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon,
klingoncelt
, lapsa, iraonavp LYNCH!

Creature
(5):
RachMarie,
Thor665, PeregrineV, Vedith, Shaziro

Thor665
(2):
Creature

MathBlade
(1): Gollum

Not Voting
(1):
Basic

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2016-09-14 23:00:00)

Gollum first then Pere the fact Pere is on the creature wagon goes give me pause.

Especially since Gollum is on a vanity wagon on Math and since Creature was not on the town lynch, most likely his scum bud was. well one of them he probably has 2.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:06 am

Elyse, MathBlade, Almost50, Narna, Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon, lapsa, iraonavp

One of these is probably blue scum

I feel pretty good about Boem being town also var being town,

ira is most likely derp town,

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:53 am

since i am alive most likely you will get no one targeted me but when you wake up please do let me know boem

@ Var I said you were in my town pile jeeze

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:54 am

Lapsa claimed GOAT I think he meant JOAT

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:00 pm

this is one I can get behind for sure

VOTE: Gollum

I DID say if he was not shot I would want him lynched today we need him GONE

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:00 pm

HAPPY SCUMDAY Math

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:02 pm

Lapsa you claimed GOAT I can go find the quote if you really need it.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:41 pm

maybe and might be they thought I would be targeted more than her because of being so out here on the main thread?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:50 pm

and once again Gollum pops on long enough to defend himself but contributes NOTHING

I want him gone

RachMarie · Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:13 pm

NEED MORE GOLLUM VOTES

RachMarie · Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:30 pm

THOR IS NOT SCUM jeez give it a rest Ira

Moving along GOLLUM NEEDS MORE VOTES

Come on peeps I am on borrowed time here

My two mason mates are dead tick tock

RachMarie · Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:58 pm

ty

I fear you and I are next boem hopefully we do not go too gently into the night

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:16 am

a50 this is something that HAS TO HAPPEN GOLLUM MUST DIE

IDC if it is by lynch or by town vig shot but he has to go before LYLO and we are getting closer to that with all these deaths.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:17 am

Thor is town folks move on

look at gollum

Lapsa

and

yes Ira should not be around in LYLO

Pere is bothering me too

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:25 am

I am counting on the town people I trust to carry the torch A50 I figure they will take out boem then me so yeah trying to get some ducks in a row.

Thor I am counting on you and your beard

PEDIT I wont be here in LYLO I am now doubly confirmed mason

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:06 am

lapsa ira pere

and gollum needs to die

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:12 am

i keep going back and forth on him is he really just derpy town or is he scum.

Definitely do not need him in LYLO his oh creature is town and thor is scum and then creature flips scum and hes still oh thor is scum bothers me.

Lapsa on the other hand vote stuff plus other things tie him more to the blue team.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:25 am

yep now you see why my short list

the one exception was Pere was on creature

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:26 am

thor was voting creature because he was scum reading creature and he was RIGHT

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:26 am

Don't make me pull up the flow chart I will find a way to do it

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:30 am

The flowchart

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:32 am

Not so sold on Narna, there Math

what about the ones I mentioned, Lapsa, Ira, Pere, and of course Gollum?

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:02 am

lol ccc did not stand a chance his own team bussed him town wanted him lynched and red team also wanted him lynched

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:36 pm

good cause I am counting on you when I am dead dude I need you.

lol I am always sexy

just usually I am trying to convince derp town i am also town. this time Im conf town so that nonsense is out of the way, plus Im learning some techniques from Jiffy in our hydra.

RachMarie · Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:55 pm

sorry dealing with a crazy fast mafia game on mindromp whilst here

ok yeah lapsa is a much weaker read for me and I could see your point on it, however he is too unreliable for LYLO and our vig is kinda iffy about being good about picking targets.

and yes I am definitely up for lynching Gollum that is where my vote is

let me know who else stands out to you.

PS i did color coding of all the lynch votes save the last one

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:27 am

red is gone I seriously doubt there were more than 5 on a team.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:49 am

umm ok Gollum instead of whining about the people voting for you how about actually PLAYING the game and helping us really find scum,

As for the basic wagon that was primarily because hebi flubbed up on her claim then lurked the heck out instead of contributing.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:51 am

actually I have supported a 5/5/1 with an SK but we also have several x shot peeps, and its more likely a town vig instead of an SK

we have had 5 red flips since the last one flipped the death toll each night has dropped dramatically.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:52 am

sorry boem is town hes been on both blue and red plus he has played as a town watcher should, you are not gonna sell me on him or thor or even math being scum

try again miller lurking dude.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:53 am

all I see is your wagon on me is stupid

all the people voting me are scum

that is not scum hunting.

I have posted all the lynch votes and color coded them save for day 1 which Pere just posted, I did not include day simply because hot chocolate was such a trolly troll everyone wanted her gone.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:57 am

5/5/1 is NOT 32 town it is 31

then how do you explain going from 4 deaths to 3, then finally to 2

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:00 am

you do realize the only reason I am still alive is because boem is watching me every night and they have to take him out first

and yet you think he is scum

I AM MASON AND BOTH MY MASON BUDDIES ARE DEAD I will die unless we lynch all the scum first.

They cant afford to keep me alive

umm yeah lets see how many scum reads I had that were scum.

Starting with creature

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:02 am

so you think red team has more out there than the 5 that already flipped if so why are they not still killing every single night?

There is either a SK or a vig shot

cause SOMEONE killed Creature last night and I doubt his team mates did that

plus Kling my mason buddy number 2

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:05 am

Not always and it is role madness and there are some balance issues with too many scum especially in multiball.

Not sure on the numbers part going with several others on that part since I have never been in a 42 player game before,

A50 is pretty good at doing spreadsheet stuffs even if some of his reads can be off early on, eventually he gets to the meat of things, and his game here is very much like in Mastin's game.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:06 am

OH FFS SK is THIRD PARTY they are both anti town and anti scum in it for themselves.

there is NOT a 3rd scum team its red and blue

Occam's Razor dude

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:16 am

are you forgetting there are negative utility townies too, plus the joats seem to be stepping all over themselves. The flipped scum both red and blue also for the most part were power roles, only one goon on red.

Yeah that is true there could be a ninja and if so then that is probably the SK

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:17 am

also both teams had a role blocker that is a pretty powerful role.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:30 am

WTF?

I am a doubly confirmed Mason dude

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:46 am

OMG both amalgram and kling told you i was their mason buddy

ok town has gone bananas here

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:25 pm

hey now I like beer, though ale and stout are far better and wine even better

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:30 pm

meh give me bud ice or their new amber ale, though I am really partial to Guinness actually.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:36 pm

dont forget Thor he too is trying to solve this game

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:23 am

basically it seems like the point Gollum is getting stuck on is there is no way it could be balanced with 31 (with Sk) 32 (without SK) townies that it would mean the maf have no chance.

Now I am not a math person, nor am I good on balance stuff, so I will leave that to other players who are. I think it is at least 25% scum in a game for balance sometimes more Gollum seens to think its 30%

we are basically arguing over math stats in this game

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:30 am

Keep in mind we have had some lightning fast days that messes up with prods too, because once in night phase prods freeze and then everyone gets the mass prod for the start of the day and the clock starts ticking again for the new prods, and we have had days that have been less than prod time long.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:39 am

the fact he is STILL alive when until some pressure was put on him to actually get out and play the game instead of sitting on the sidelines, makes me seriously doubt the miller claim.

The fact that none of the JOATS or anyone else with killing powers in the night did the deed, also makes me suspicious.

We have nothing but his claim saying he is miller. He is still alive and we have had JOATS that had x shot vig shots,

Gollum is still here.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:49 am

Oh I thought I saw some hmm

well then if the JOATS don't have killing power then that leads more credence to both a town vig and an SK

otherwise we would not have had several nights of 4 nks. Though the town vig could be X shot not sure on that.

Pere nice of you to join the party If you are town I NEED you to stop lurking so much (I know you can't help weekends, but during the week town needs you) Your voting kinda supports you being town, but your lurking fits your scum meta so get out and dance please, I am on limited time here if we do not round up the last two blue scum and the SK if there is one.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:56 am

Thanks Shaz

Umm Var did you put in an action at all last night if so what?

Pere he claimed JOAT a while back

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:03 am

I meant Var claimed JOAT sorry for the confusion

trying to get as many players lined up as possible before maf bumps me off,

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:12 am

Her neighbor list

In post 5078, Klingoncelt wrote:Updated Neighborhood List

(A "?" indicates that's what they claimed, but it's not confirmed.)
(" * " indicates that they're known to be in more than one Neighborhood.)

Blue Mafia:

(dead) CCC, 2-Shot Voyeur
*(dead) TownBlock, Roleblocker/Neighbor
...Others

Red Mafia:

*(dead) Boring, Red Mafia Neapolitan/Neighbor
(dead) DrippingGoofball - Red Mafia Goon
*(dead) Egg, Roleblocker/Neighbor
*(dead) Map Wolf, 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor
(dead) Seraphim, 2-Shot Tracker

Mason Lodge

*Klingoncelt, Mason/Neighbor
*RachMarie, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) Amalgam, Mason/Neighbor

Bastion Veronica

*Klingoncelt, Mason/Neighbor
*Shaziro, Odd-Night Follower?/Neighbor
(dead) Skelda, Vanilla Cop /Neighbor
*(dead) Amalgam, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) Boring, Red Mafia Neapolitan/Neighbor
(dead) Skelda, Vanilla Cop /Neighbor
*(dead) TownBlock, Blue Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor

Northern Keep

Mathblade, .../Neighbor
*Shaziro, Odd-Night Follower?/Neighbor
*(dead) Fire Assassin, Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

C

Vedith, .../Neighbor
*RachMarie, Mason/Neighbor
*(dead) Egg, Red Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor
*(dead) Fire Assassin, Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor
*(dead) Foxbird, Voyeur/Neighbor
*(dead) Skybird, JoAT//Neighbor

D

(dead) Cookie Bakers, Gunsmith?/Neighbor
*(dead) MapWolf, Red Mafia 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor
(dead) Parama, Bodyguard/Neighbor

E

Almost50, .../Neighbor
(dead) Drixx, Doctor/Neighbor
(dead) Serrapaladin, Citizen/Neighbor

F

Hebichan, .../Neighbor
(dead) Comparing Realities, JoAT/Neighbor

G

(dead) Blanche, Jailkeeper/Neighbor
*(dead) Egg, Red Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor
others?

H

Narna, .../Neighbor
(dead) Shos, Motion Detector/Neighbor
*(dead) Skybird, JoAT//Neighbor

And here I trust her math better than mine

In post 5300, Klingoncelt wrote:Just a quick two cents here:

The Town:Scum ratio is usually 3:1.

So in a 42-player game, that comes out to 31.5:10.5

I wouldn't be surprised to see 31:5:5:1.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:17 am

From the looks of it the scum used the neighborhoods to sort out townies to kill

Only people still alive that were in hoods are

Narna
Math
Vedith
and

Me

Everyone else alive is not in a neighborhood, or else kling missed them somehow

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:26 am

Red team
*(dead) Boring, Red Mafia Neapolitan/Neighbor
(dead) DrippingGoofball - Red Mafia Goon
*(dead) Egg, Roleblocker/Neighbor
*(dead) Map Wolf, 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor
(dead) Seraphim, 2-Shot Tracker

Blue team

(dead) CCC, 2-Shot Voyeur
*(dead) TownBlock, Roleblocker/Neighbor
Creature Goon

We are probably looking for another tracker or some variant thereof with X shots, and a neo or vanilla cop most likely to balance out the teams.

SK is probably ninja and bp

SK may also not be super active or else the town vig is not always active because we are down to two kills instead of 3.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:30 am

Mason with Kling and Amalgram they are both dead

Only reason I am not dead is because boem keeps me company at night and he is a watcher, not sure why the SK is not hitting me, guess because I have helped whittle down maf teams whilst he or she kills townies.

Actualy we lynched basic the replacement for heb who fluffled her claim and then lurked instead of scum creature even though Thor and I both told you all creature was scum. He definitely was not playing like he did in homestuck where he was our tree stump.

But either the sk? or the town vig shot creature in the night, and he flipped blue goon.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:38 am

yep

Pere needs to get more active or get out

Gollum is only active now because hes at risk of being lynched and I am not buying his miller claim

Iffy on Lapsa too he has been playing oddly not sure if that means derp town or possible blue scum

Ira is probably derp town but hes definitely a liability in LYLO

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:03 am

oops sorry add shaz to that list of course sorry about that

so yeah people in hoods still alive are:

shaz
Narna
Math
Vedith
and

Me

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:36 am

but you are voting one

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:49 am

so vote Gollum he needs to die

I promised if he did not die in the night I would push his lynch today

I am a woman of my word.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:28 am

ahem 2 deaths so if we have an SK then we also have a vig for your theory to work

because if we only have ONE or the OTHER then yes both shot last night

We have confirmed none of the JOATS have killing powers just things of an investigative nature or a protection nature, some of which show up as having a gun to a gunsmith.

And Kling showed the math

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:39 am

Creature was not a mafia shot blue would not shoot their own team mate

Red is gone there is only blue left

Kling was the mafia shot

Either a SK or a town vig took out Creature.

ipso facto we have either a SK or Vig who did not shoot since we have had neither flip and have had 2 but not 3 deaths.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:43 am

Thor is town

he was pushing the creature wagon his vote was on scum at lynch

hes a bit lost in this game (aren't many of us lol) but hes one of the good guys, help him out he can find scum really well.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:46 am

stop WKing Lapsa look at some serious facts here Ira you keep pushing people who are town

Math is town trust me and trust Kling and Shaz

Thor is town

Gollum needs to go he really does he is totally ignoring the stuff that Kling provided to the game both in our mason lodge and then later in here before she died.

32/5/5 or 31/5/5/1 is balanced she showed so in her math

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:23 am

Kling is one of the masons she is good at math and she worked very hard in the lodge to come up with who is in which neighborhood and that it was either one of those two based on the math which actually figures out to 31..5 with 10.5 for scum both of us felt that with the 4 deaths consistently first few days that it was probably 31/5/5/1 with a town vig as well. YOU are scum reading Math and Boem based on a faulty premise not based on their actions and their voting records and the actions of others, Or do you think Shaz is lying? Do you think flipped townies were lying?

Math told something to Shaz who told it to Kling who told it to me in the Mason lodge.

There is no reasoning with you Gollum sigh

are you sure you are not Nero? You sound so much like him when hes off base on something but stubbornly sticks to it like a dog with a bone.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:38 am

yeah but you have to admit Nero is certainly STUBBORN

And he did kill my gf

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:44 am

Thor what is it about Elyse that has your beard up in gear?

I have basically been town reading her pretty much but willing to look at her again

Gollum still needs to die though I can't argue too much with the vig shot (I thnk the SK was out to lunch with the speed of the wagon yesterday and ended up not putting in a kill) Its about the only thing that makes sense because why would an SK take out creature instead of pushing his lynch today.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:51 am

I would be willing to switch if the vig LISTENS TO ME and takes Gollum out tonight

he must not be in LYLO

he is too antitown in his play

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:29 am

I can cofirm the shaz/kling/me convo was that she was macho

we know the blue team has to match up with the red team folks

we are looking for an X shot tracker or variant of tracker

and we are looking for a neo or variant maybe a VC

we are not looking for a macho

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:34 am

3 shot watcher and 2 shot voyeur match up
1 goon and 1 goon match up
1 rb and 1 rb match up

its not rocket science peeps the missing blues are a X shot tracker or maybe follower, and a neo or vc role

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:37 am

I think the missing blue team members have either fake claimed or they have not claimed at all our follower is pretty much confirmed by other actions of people who have flipped town, and they would not have two watchers on one team and one on the other so yeah that confirms boem as town watcher.

which since he has helped keep me alive plus helped us catch both red and blue team maf is kind of obvious anyways.

Basic was lynched because not enough peeps thought creature was scum and basic did squat after replacing into a slot where hebi lurked like mad and lied about her claim

WHY DO TOWNIES TRY LYING ABOUT THEIR CLAIM UGGGH

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:20 am

Maybe not perfectly but they are similar enough, and it does not have to be a perfect match.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:25 pm

Vedith has been posting in our hood a bit giving me his thoughts and ideas of things.I have a town read on him

Egg was scum in our hood.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:56 pm

the creature wagon was primarily me and thor there were 3 wagons

Thor and I started the creature wagon before the basic wagon or the math wagon

math was counter to creature.

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:12 pm

creature bussed other members of his team too

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:01 pm

umm thor

Lapsa hammered Gollum just a few minutes ago

RachMarie · Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:07 pm

oh I missed that sorry

carry on,

Lapsa probably missed it too.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:40 am

holy F***

dang it Thor I will remember this

ok so it is 6/6/1 and 29 town then

Boem your sacrifice for me will not be in vain

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:40 am

Also means blue has a Joat

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:28 am

yes please since I will probably die in the night folks lets make sure we have all our ducks in a row.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:36 am

Ira has claimed neo

he was pushing thor over creature

PEDIT
plus his confession that was just quoted by Shaz yeah that too.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:47 am

its ok you get another chance Shaz

and yes consider my vote for Ira

Just want to hammer things out a bit first because now that boem is dead, I am sure I will be next, scum can't let me live much longer.

so basically looks like we got a vig shot a scum shot and a SK stabby stabby last night since there were 3 deaths. Or did Thor kill blue while getting killed by the town vig? uggh

so yeah 6 red 6 blue 1 SK and 29 town OR 6/6 and 30 town

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:59 am

Actually if you are the last scum standing, you can preform your PR action and a killing action on the same night.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:00 am

oh wait I misread Shaz's question
nvm

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:06 am

hmm wow usually they do allow the last one standing to do both.

Missed that in Wake's OP

thanks

so odds are Thor did not kill last night and instead we had both a vig and an SK

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:11 am

remember though he replaced in not sure if the first dude did anything those first couple of nights so can't be totally sure of that

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:40 am

Add Pere to the list I am not convinced he is town.

we have not had 5 blue scum flips and I would expect it to be 6 6 for the scum teams plus the 1 sk

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:49 am

yes but blue has been kind of lacking there whilst red had a 6 shot JOAT plus X shot watcher and X shot tracker, atm red seems more overpowered than blue does if there are only 5 of them.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:22 am

You really think there were 2 out of 6 in my hood that are scum?

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:41 am

Egg flipped scum he was in my hood

Vedith and I are the only two left of the original 6.

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:54 am

duhh yeah right

so why are we talking about him as a potential flip? I was responding to Lapsa's questions.

wow the odds are insane that I had two scum in our hood

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:54 am

still that makes 3 blue or 4? that have flipped I guess I need to look at the OP again uggh

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:08 am

ok so there are 2 more blue scum plus most likely a SK

we got this

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:48 am

homestuck was something all right

RachMarie · Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:45 pm

I asked for some time before we hammered ira

uggh

well good luck everyone I may not be here tomorrow

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:52 am

uggh why am I not dead?

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:20 am

blue and SK do not work together

Its looking more likely if there is an SK that the town vig is X shot.

Or else one or the other is not being active and taking shots every night which would more likely be the vig since I can't see a SK or a maf team not shooting every single night.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:37 am

In post 5962, mhsmith0 wrote:
Official Vote Count
Day 9 Final

iraonavp
(6):
Shaziro,
Almost50, Elyse,
Varsoon
, MathBlade, Narna

PeregrineV
(1): Lapsa

Not Voting
(3):
RachMarie
, PeregrineV,
iraonavp

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2016-09-30 08:00:00)

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:40 am

Both were on the Ira wagon too.

I was not because before I could hammer Narna did.

I wanted to have more discussion before ending the day as I stated just before the thread was locked.

The other thing is yes I am conf town but other than that I am pretty useless nightwise.

Going to do some rethinking on my reads at this point.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:12 am

Nice color job so now tell us what you think this means?

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:13 am

And Pere you are not confirmed town dude

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:17 am

PeregrineV
Narna claimed role modifier
RachMarie Conf Town last mason standing
Elyse
Lapsa claimed JOAT
Almost50
Mathblade claimed Macho

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:17 am

Did I miss any claims out there?

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:29 am

both teams may have shot at the SK once or maybe twice after the doc flip but I doubt they kept shooting at them that makes no sense. The optimal play is to get them lynched in the day and get some town cred even though it really should not be town cred.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:41 am

Well shaz did flip town

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:44 am

PeregrineV claimed neighbor with gollum
Narna
RachMarie Conf Town last mason standing
Elyse
Lapsa claimed JOAT
Almost50
Mathblade claimed Macho

so basically that means almost, Elyse, and Narna have no claims

And there is one JOAT that has claimed

and JOAT is very likely what we are looking for here

VOTE: Lapsa

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:08 am

oh right yeah though a lot were not neighbors from the list that Kling made up

still I feel our joat is most likely the last blue scum

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:41 am

oh yeah sorry about that A 50 I mainly just quoted her list if you were not on there then somehow she missed it

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:56 am

From Vedith in the neighborhood

He chatted quite a bit in there actually probably something about me made him open up?

Since Creature is scum that only makes my view on Lapsa think he's scum 100%.
You know that my case on him makes sense and if Ira is scum hen we have all the scum.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:57 am

and what did Vedith flip

oh yeah blue scum

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:41 am

umm we did say red was gone after Thor flipped it was in the day start post

was kind of surprised there was one red left actually which is why I did not think Thor was scum.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:53 am

Most of us did

But then when Thor died in the night and flipped it became obvious its 6 per scum team not 5.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:07 am

I actually missed that with the fact Wake got incredibly busy and the backup mod took over

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:15 am

no it was not brought up until thor died

PEDIT

Ok lets popcorn

starting with Lapsa we know you are a JOAT we need your actions now.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:22 am

Ok Elyse it is now your turn

claim please

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:11 am

On my cell at Golden Corral should be home in about 45 minutes depending on how long it takes for me to walk home. Next is math not just macho we got that time for full claim

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:12 am

Then pere and that should be everyone.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:14 am

At home I will dig more in the good for stuffs from vedith to help us.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:46 pm

so macho neighbor VT then no powers

moving on to Pere

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:47 pm

still fine with lynching Lapsa

RachMarie · Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:37 pm

I am working on that one just give me a chance dear

Still need to have a claim from Pere and then we can sort out who the SK is

RachMarie · Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:02 am

then we are settled

Lynch lapsa and if the game does not end then it is probably a fake claim on Pere's part, but for me I believe him even if he has been lurky as f***

It feels more like he was in homestuck and we ended up lynching him there

Over Mirhawk WHO KLING AND I KEPT TELLING WAS SCUM UGGH AND THE BUS DRIVER TOO /rant

RachMarie · Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:07 am

yes that is a good idea especially since I seriously doubt I will be still here if we are wrong and there is still a SK

RachMarie · Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:17 am

going with town VOTE: Pere

RachMarie · Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:24 am

that is a really bizarre claim lol he should have called you macho vt neighbor

like all the other vts were I believe which basically made the neos pretty worthless. except in conjunction with the VCs

RachMarie · Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:21 am

WTF they killed Math over me?

uggh

SO sorry about that hammer I lost track of the votes

Or I would have declared intent first and made sure everyone had had their say.

So we lynched the town vig and now we have to lynch the last one looks like there is no SK after all?

why not lapsa ?

RachMarie · Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:05 pm

yeah not gonna vote in a hurry especially since this is basically MYLO

RachMarie · Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:20 pm

who did you track last night

and who are your other track results

RachMarie · Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:30 pm

hmm ok that does it

Elyse is scum

Because A50 was the backup doc (nurse) and when the doc died he became the doc. Odd that Elyse went after me though instead of him?

RachMarie · Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:08 pm

I think it is more likely elyse than narna

RachMarie · Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:35 pm

Not willing to lynch either narna or A50

RachMarie · Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:32 pm

My experience with the Mastin game was A50 at first seemed kind of half cocked on things and I went back and forth on whether or not he was scum, but later in the game he along with Nero to some extent though Nero was STUBBORN and did some silly things (like kill my gf grrr) basically used his spreadsheet magic to solve the game in the end.

That is a totally honest opinion of his town game last game.

RachMarie · Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:08 am

Yeah this is nuts its probably Lapsa and we may not have a SK at all if we do it certainly is NOT narna

INTENT TO HAMMER

A50 anything else to add?

RachMarie · Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:35 am

VOTE: Lapsa

lets make it unanimous save for him then

RachMarie · Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:59 am

holy cow wow

RachMarie · Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:15 pm

well especially that fast it tells me that everyone was right on the PMs with night actions and with agreeing to speed deadline

So we have a no kill

we know both red and blue scum teams have been eliminated.

A50 says it has to be a strongman SK who can overpower a doc, BUT he bases that on the shaziro hit I want to take a closer look at that, also sometimes they have a X shot strongman I have seen that before so it does not mean the SK is still strong man.

RachMarie · Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:23 pm

Ok going to do some other stuff give the other two a chance to speak and come back to this I need a good hard think here

RachMarie · Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:20 pm

Not too long ago Slan won a game as both ninja and strongman as a SK I voted for hebi over him big mistake not gonna make that one again lol

Narna should remember Slan as the mysterious pen pal for Pere in Homestuck LOL

RachMarie · Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:52 am

I really don't know why I am alive today to be frank

Even A50 the dude who has stated he doc protected me is saying the SK is both ninja and strongman.

I am sorry for not being more decisive but I want to be sure I am totally RIGHT this game depends on this, and I never thought I would make it to LYLO obviously.

Plus I am V/LA for a few days because I have work stuffs and I have to organize this apt so I can make the landlord give me a fridge that works.

RachMarie · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:52 am

true but ninja is pretty much a given with so many investigative roles out there most of the JOATS even the scum ones had investigative one shot roles

Plus I believe Thor's claim on watching Egg, one thing I know about scum Thor is he does not lie, if he does not need to. And he did flip JOAT with the powers he said he had, so it makes sense that he watched his team mate and passed it off as a townie move. He also removes cuss words with smurf as any alignment, but he does do better in smaller games, I think this one was a bit large for him.

I mostly town read him because I missed the part about when a scum team is gone the mod would announce it so I was going on the idea all of red was dead and he definitely was not blue, that much I could tell. My mistake and I own that one.

RachMarie · Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:57 am

I will get more posted in a day or so I am really busy right now and mostly just checking in on my games. I have a massive project I have to get the outline done for and turned into the client plus some prep work for my 30 day challenge that starts next Monday, plus of course housework loads of it.

RachMarie · Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:23 am

Sigh sorry all on top of everything else been sick

catching up now

uggh

RachMarie · Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:40 am

I am here I am here

uggh

On top of everything else last Thurs was out doing wound care and shopping and came down with some kind of viral bug I am so far behind on everything now

RachMarie · Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:41 am

For better or worse I hope I am making the right decision
because I would so HATE to lose this game after everything I put into it.

VOTE: Elyse

RachMarie · Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:55 am

UNVOTE:

I will reread

SIGH I hate being sick

RachMarie · Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:49 am

uggh I am now in analysis paralysis I never thought I would make it this long

we could go for No Lynch and see where we are tomorrow

uggh I am so sorry I lost all momentum with the vla then being sick and now I am like paranoid of everyone and overanalyzing everything because I don't want to pick wrong.

But I know the clock is ticking here

VOTE: No Lynch