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[Dierfire]

@Saru

Like, golden wasn't around and was being replaced, but Cass was very much around to answer questions. Why didn't you have a discussion with Cass on some of things you felt off about with her instead of just sitting on the wagon of an empty slot?

I attempted to address my concerns about Cass (quoted below). Does that change your impression here?

Spoiler: Quotes

I think that that's it from me tonight, but I'm promising to return with more focused reads on the remaining players within 24 hours.

Some small things that will help me with that:

--SNIP--

@Cass

@pitoli: he already claimed vt, didn't you read?? FoS: Pitoli

Why did this make you so suspicious of pitoli?

@Cass

This is hard to believe, because the post right above

[this]

was Martha repeatedly using the word VT and asking

[Glitch]

for reads before he's get lynched.) Made

[pitoli]

sound like scum eager and happy to hammer a townie.

(I tried to fix some things for clarity, let me know if this is not correct)

The phrasing "hard to believe" makes it sound as though you think that pitoli really had seen the claim, but it's unclear to me why she would, having seen the claim and filled with eagerness to drop a hammer, ask for a claim again rather than just dropping the hammer. Did I miss something?

[Dierfire]

@BBT

Dier is pretty hard to catch as scum.

I'm actually surprised more people are not town reading him.

Remind me: what prior experience to you have with me as Mafia?

[MathBlade]

Also, I don't have much experience with BBT as Mafia, but multiple other players who do have said that he can play with confidence as Mafia.

idc, confidence is not evidence of scum motivation.

Not lynching there.

Lol if it was House would be lynched because he posted a single word.

[MathBlade]

I have had a death in the family, very close to me. I will be V/LA for an unforeseeable amount of time.

I have done a brief skim. Thanks for replacing in SpySpy. This is me not hammering Dierfire. rb/Expedience are my top suspects.

@Mod may you please grant the powers of teleportation and hugs so I can give Chuck lots of hugs regardless of his alignment? Still think you are scum.

[House]

@House

Dier, why am I scum?

Is this...a riddle of some sort? You want me to make a case that you are Mafia?

You seem to think i am, so... Yes.

[MathBlade]

@Saru

Like, golden wasn't around and was being replaced, but Cass was very much around to answer questions. Why didn't you have a discussion with Cass on some of things you felt off about with her instead of just sitting on the wagon of an empty slot?

I attempted to address my concerns about Cass (quoted below). Does that change your impression here?

Spoiler: Quotes

I think that that's it from me tonight, but I'm promising to return with more focused reads on the remaining players within 24 hours.

Some small things that will help me with that:

--SNIP--

@Cass

@pitoli: he already claimed vt, didn't you read?? FoS: Pitoli

Why did this make you so suspicious of pitoli?

@Cass

This is hard to believe, because the post right above

[this]

was Martha repeatedly using the word VT and asking

[Glitch]

for reads before he's get lynched.) Made

[pitoli]

sound like scum eager and happy to hammer a townie.

(I tried to fix some things for clarity, let me know if this is not correct)

The phrasing "hard to believe" makes it sound as though you think that pitoli really had seen the claim, but it's unclear to me why she would, having seen the claim and filled with eagerness to drop a hammer, ask for a claim again rather than just dropping the hammer. Did I miss something?

Ugh why is everyone playing so bassackwards? Like Dierfire didn't care about impressions RB didn't feel so slimy House hasn't complained I am scum yet and Saru isn't poking me. And Expedience is actually correctly townreading me.

Like this game is all kinds of messed up.

And SpyreX Welcome and never attack me for RL EVER. I work in IT. I show up when I can how I can and still within the rules. I do not do "quickies".

[House]

@MathBlade

Assume RB is scum. Who is scum with him?

Repeat for BBT Expedience and Saru.

That's a lot of work!

Spoiler: If rb were Mafia

I would think that the argument with Saru (1544, 1549, 1570) was too heated for them to be partners. The abrupt turn on BBT in 1661 also seems unlikely from a partner. The early game interactions would require some scrutiny, but I think that this post would make RyanK and gameplay506 (now House) unlikely partners as well (RyanK more so):

See you're right our interaction is scummy, you're wrong about the scum. It was optimal because I think I could have got more than 1 scum to get on your wagon and then we can counter-wagon on scum later in the day. It sounds dumb but it actually works pretty well. Gameplay is the scum you're looking for. You should vote gameplay.

VOTE: gameplay

Perhaps the L-1 vote on your wagon in 1594 would point to a bus if rb were Mafia (since the vote came off fairly easily in 1616).
Of the remaining slots, for a pure guess I'll say that Cass would be the final Mafia player.

Spoiler: If BBT were Mafia

As I mentioned above, rb would be an unlikely partner. For your argument with BBT, I have mixed feelings. It certainly goes on long enough, but I can't say that it seems especially difficult to choreograph (largely due to repetition). The exchange with pitoli in 1397 looks decently unlikely to be choreographed. When Expedience enters the game and posts 575 and 577, BBT has a reaction 579 that doesn't seem like Expedience's partner (I was going to say too negative, but that's not really the word that I want--it's definitely too..something).
I could see a number of players as partners with few interactions: Saru, Cass, Chuck, perhaps even RyanK.
I've no idea what to make of House if BBT is Mafia.

Spoiler: If Expedience were Mafia

Again, the interaction with BBT around 579 seems unlikely from Mafia partners. For Chuck, too, the opposition is a bit too persistent for me to suspect partnership. House seems to be in an educational mode in 2045 (doesn't seem like the kind of interaction that would ordinarily occur to partners to stage), so that's another unlikely option.
I'll throw out pitoli and Cass as reads that remains vague with hints of suspicion that are not clearly explained (possibly good places for partners).

Spoiler: If Saru were Mafia

As I mentioned above, I would find rb an unlikely partner for Saru. RyanK would also be an unlikely partner for the business about "reverse psychology" in 1061 (if Saru isn't pushing a bus, he doesn't need to dispute reasons to read his partner as Town). I'd earlier considered the possibility that Saru casting a vote for me in 1568 as a reaction to my 1557 represented a "chainsaw defense" of your slot, augmented by Saru's questions directed at golden009 when they were sharing a vote on me D1, so that would be one good place to start (similar considerations might apply to House, formerly gameplay506). Saru has many players with minimal interactions (addressing them or reading them): pitoli, Cass, Chuck, Expedience, BBT. As with BBT, there's a lot of room for partners in there.

(@Chuck too)

Who are your scum reads?

Also who do you have as a scum read Dierfire?

I put more time into the first part of this than I expected, so I'm still not done with this. I'm returning tonight to finish up.

However, since I'm reading a good number of players as Town, I could give you the list of contenders:

House

, BBT, Saru, Chuck, Cass

.

At least, this reads to me like a scum read...

[SpyreX]

Math what are you on about I'm not talking rl ever here in the dark world. That's a fornication metaphor.

Which is fitting because this game is mostly fornication with footballs

[House]

House hasn't complained I am scum yet

I haven't?

You're scum and this makes me unhappy.

Problem solved.

[MathBlade]

Lol Now the tradition is upheld /le sigh of sarcasm

@SpyreX I am a literal person so I took that to mean about my activity in the game. If you mean the sexual act they can be fun.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He's posted a lot of walls and content, just what BBT is saying is that they don't lead anywhere.

Seems some people can actually read.

Dier has done a lot of posting, mostly in huge walls and mostly talking about why people are town. He very rarely talks about scum, or pushes anyone for being scum.

Dier skating by the whole of D1 and taking the whole of D2 to run up is pretty indicative of someone that is hard to catch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Remind me: what prior experience to you have with me as Mafia?

Perfect, this is the perfect response.

Notice; I have asked Dier no less than 3 times to show me who is scum and why. What response have I had? Zilch.

Instead, he chooses to try and flag up a meta discussion at the veru first opportunity. You must have missed all the times I asked you who was scum, right? Hell no.

Who is scum and why Dier. It's a very simple question.

[House]

Lol Now the tradition is upheld /le sigh of sarcasm

You are hard to read, so I look for certain things that I haven't yet seen.

I'd rather not treat a friend as an asshole, which is what I do with most people until I'm satisfied they're town (just ask Titus about the difference pre- and post-meet, my approach towards people changes significantly once I get to know them as more than pixels).

[MathBlade]

Remind me: what prior experience to you have with me as Mafia?

Perfect, this is the perfect response.

Notice; I have asked Dier no less than 3 times to show me who is scum and why. What response have I had? Zilch.

Instead, he chooses to try and flag up a meta discussion at the veru first opportunity. You must have missed all the times I asked you who was scum, right? Hell no.

Who is scum and why Dier. It's a very simple question.

Pot kettle. Black.

[House]

Remind me: what prior experience to you have with me as Mafia?

Perfect, this is the perfect response.

Notice; I have asked Dier no less than 3 times to show me who is scum and why. What response have I had? Zilch.

Instead, he chooses to try and flag up a meta discussion at the veru first opportunity. You must have missed all the times I asked you who was scum, right? Hell no.

Who is scum and why Dier. It's a very simple question.

Pot kettle. Black.

Pool. Ocean. Wet.

Who's next?

[MathBlade]

Got it House.

And yeah. I am working on making my scum and town metas match but in a good protownie way? If they match it makes games more fun when scum and people analyze me not my word choice or whatever.

[MathBlade]

House my point was BBT is criticizing Dier for not providing the who and why when I did the same of him.

Hence pot kettle black

[MathBlade]

Oh and you mean Duh. Wow I am slow tonight

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Except for the only read I haven't explained is the scum read on you.

I have explained every other read. Dier hasn't explained, nor pushed, a single scum read.

There is quite a big difference between the two.

[House]

There is quite a big difference between the two.

Would you say it's like the difference between a pool and an ocean?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, that's a pretty big difference too.

[House]

Yeah, that's a pretty big difference too.

But they're both wet.

Bazinga!

[Accountant]

VC 2.14

Dierfire (4):

Saru, BlueBloodedToffee, House, Expedience

Chuck (2):

MathBlade, rb

Cass (2)

: pitoli, Dierfire

Expedience (1):

Cass

rb (1):

Chuck

BlueBloodedToffee(1):

SpyreX

Not Voting:

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:00:30)

[Accountant]

@Mod may you please grant the powers of teleportation and hugs so I can give Chuck lots of hugs regardless of his alignment?

I'll see what I can do.

[Expedience]

Dier is so lucid. I feel really bad about lynching him even if he's scum.