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Post Post #273 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:51 am

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So.
I know that Varsoon specifically told us, "don't claim".
But, goddammit, Varsoon.
If you're gonna tell us that claiming is going to get us punished...

...Don't give us roles where NOT claiming is even MORE punishable.
So, uh.

In simplest terms:
The good news is, I actually am town this game.
The bad news is, I don't appear to be town.

I shouldn't claim more than that, but...
...Dammit, I want to. I WANT TO CLAIM. Because it's in my nature to do so, yet I can't.

I'll say this much though:
Deja vu.
As in,
serious
deja vu.
De.ja. vu.

I can claim no more.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:04 am

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In post 5, Yume wrote:I am so adding that song to my playerlist. <3
Town.
In post 7, grapes wrote:Bibbity bobbity boop
VOTE: grapes
Town?
In post 13, Firebringer wrote:Guys if you don't mind. I am going to use this thread to talk about mostly stuff not related to the game.
Like what I am currently reading/watching/researching/etc.
Currently looking for new equipment because my bike just broke the other day.
In post 16, SirCakez wrote:What is up my dudes and dudettes
Scum?
In post 6, Not Chara wrote:hello everyone.
i only recognize three of you. i look forward to getting to know the rest! :>
Scum.
In post 21, farside22 wrote:Oh on top of that I'm in a
masonry with firebringer

I'm sure doubters with be a plenty.
Yes indeed. Doubters a plenty. I'm one of them.
It is however just enough where you get a pass for now.
In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I am in a masonry with SirCakez
so idk how reliable your claim is o.o
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You know, I'm pretty sure that both pairs are bullshitting. Not necessarily scum bullshitting, but definitely bullshitting. I flat-out don't believe you. But I also don't think it would be good to lynch you: there's a virtually 0% chance four scum claim masons on page one especially not when there's the chance of an
actual
mason countering them. At least 2, if not 3, of you are going to more likely be town than scum from this debacle. Given that, lynching inside is a bad idea.

I would however thoroughly recommend investigations within these "masons" because I don't see any of them claiming miller.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:08 am

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In post 35, CooLDoG wrote:got a full day of class so, will probably be able to post at lunch break.
In post 49, kraskaesque wrote:Hi fire
Nobody cares about ur bike
Wanna talk about films?
Town.
In post 30, grapes wrote:
In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I am in a masonry with SirCakez
so idk how reliable your claim is o.o
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Why isn't two pairs of masons conceivable?
Oh, two's conceivable alright.
I just don't think our mason claims are both legit.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:14 am

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In post 72, Reasonably Rational wrote:I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game.
I'd say "you have yourself a deal", but.

My ally power is not something I ever intend to need, so...I plan on allying with people I actually have strong townreads on.
You haven't earned that yet.
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Post Post #299 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:18 am

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In post 94, Creature wrote:VOTE: Reasonably Rational
Town.
In post 91, Reasonably Rational wrote:Claim all negative utility at this time please and thank you. Miller/ascetic/pgo etc. Claiming such later any time past this prequel phase will result in your lynch for being anti-town and probably lying scum trying to weasel out of some sort of guilty.
Done and done.
Albeit with a middle finger given to Varsoon by telling us not to claim and then giving roles that you absolutely MUST claim.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:24 am

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In post 115, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh. Wait. I just got it. Understood.
-Cerb
If I did, then I don't think it's a good idea.

McMenno
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Post Post #309 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:31 am

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In post 156, SnarkySnowman wrote:Go to sleep, thread is closed. Wake up, 7 pages. Good thing I have time to do this now.
Scum?
In post 158, TheWayItEnds wrote:
In post 72, Reasonably Rational wrote:I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game
Lolno
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Post Post #310 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:36 am

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In post 195, Foxbird wrote:I almost feel like photographing my SU merchandise collection. Everyone should watch the show, it's the
best
.
Also, I still need an ally! I promise I don't bite.
Town?
In post 194, McMenno wrote:hey mastina do you want to ally with me?
I'm hesitant.

My ally power is not something I intend to ever need, but it's also something I never intend scum to have.

I might be willing to risk it if I don't come up with any better ideas, and definitely would if my read on you becomes stronger. I'll let you know.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:42 am

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In post 207, Firebringer wrote:
In post 206, farside22 wrote:
In post 21, farside22 wrote:I can also confirmed myself as town but I need players to target me tonight to do so.
Oh on top of that I'm in a
masonry with firebringer

I'm sure doubters with be a plenty.
For the record I'm not Mason with fire. I'm telling the truth about targeting me though.
I am pretty sure we are masons
I would have preferred you keep the lie up.
Ironically, this does make me feel much better about the whole thing, with the way this has come out.
Still, purely from a perspective of scum's actions, I would have preferred them thinking you were masons in spite of me not believing you.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:46 am

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In post 237, Firebringer wrote:I think RR is scum btw.
If it makes you feel better: no longer scumreading you, and farside's one of my strongest townreads now.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:50 am

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In post 295, Killthestory wrote:im confused and tired but il dia htsotfuf monetaityb inmaybe in ab it
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In post 288, Not Chara wrote:mastin, what are you basing your reads on? gut?
No, experience.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:57 am

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In post 304, Reasonably Rational wrote:Mastin has a proven record of being way above average at reading people. Sorry that she pegged you as scum, but so far you kind of look like scum trying to get town read. If you're not, maybe that should tell you something and you should adjust.
Hey, Cerb. I know this is a Drixx post, he can answer it too, it's applicable both ways, but Cerb knows this better overall.

Question time.

Why do you say this about Firebringer, who I noted as "scum?", with a question mark for good reason...

...While ignoring the one and only player I had marked as unambiguously, without any interrogation-mark attached, "scum."?

That is, why are you saying this about a read I'm not sure of...

...While not paying attention to the much, much, MUCH more notworthy read I have on Not Chara?

And!
Furthermore.

You're a smart guy and I can't hold context worth a damn. So if you haven't already figured this out, you would soon enough.
You know about my accuracy reading you.

And yet, I'm
not
townreading you.

Why am I not townreading you?
It's certainly not a question of quantity! You're among the highest post counts in the game. Why is it that the quality of those posts has not given me the impression you're town?
Why is it that you look like scum?

And furthermore! Why is it that Not Chara looks like the most obvious scumbuddy of yours in all of time?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:47 am

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I think it'd be more accurate to say I'm Tatiana Ruffins.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:52 am

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Oh.
I just read a clause in my role PM.

Yeah, I'm not allowing anyone to ally with me, ever.
There's something in there that I missed before, which now that I've read, has rendered any chance of me ever having interest in allying gone.
The power I have is a massive boost to scum but useless to town, so I am NOT giving it away, ever.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:13 pm

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In post 347, Almost50 wrote:The mod who complains that people missed a semicolon in their PM and/or flavor story.. manages to miss a whole clause in her own role PM?? :facepalm:
When it comes to the allying section...yes. I had a lot more than that in my role PM to go over in detail.
So I kind-of skipped the allying section once I read the first line about it and realized it wasn't something relevant.
Except that a later section of the allying section contained a particular detail that was rather important, and killed any interest I'd have held in allying whatsoever. It gives no benefits to town players. Pure and simple, so I'm not allying. Period.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:43 pm

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Hey, Klingoncelt.
You're at L-1.
Mind claiming?
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Post Post #378 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:49 pm

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Klingoncelt, my trigger finger is itching...
I do hammer unprompted, too!
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Post Post #380 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:52 pm

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In post 379, Reasonably Rational wrote:Pedit: oh hey mastin2 came back. Do you still want my response to your earlier questioning?
Very much so, yes.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 392, Klingoncelt wrote:I'm not sure about Mastin's Miller-like claim though. The way my Role PM's worded, I'm pretty sure that
I'm
the Miller.
Oh no.
I'm 100%, certifiably, a miller.
There's no ambiguity in role PM wording.
I really want to prod you more about this, because if your claim has a real miller ability, there's some ways that you'd be able to prove it to me (speaking as someone who is a miller, soyeah, I know), but, yaknow. Hilariously stupid idea if you're legit given Varsoon specifically warned us AGAINST doing this sort of thing.
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In post 447, Xkfyu wrote:Holy shit, I picked the wrong weekend to not be available.
Scum?
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Post Post #590 (isolation #20) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:14 pm

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In post 460, Randomnamechange wrote:I SWEAR THIS TIME WE ARE SOLVING THE GAME TOGETHER
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Post Post #594 (isolation #21) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:26 pm

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farside22
Yume
TheWayItEnds
Firebringer
grapes
Creature
randomidget
kraskaesque
Cooldog
Foxbird
Shiro
Killthestory
Skybird
McMenno
Almost50
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Post Post #601 (isolation #22) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:56 pm

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In post 599, SirCakez wrote:This has already been pointed out by multiple people but this is painfully scummy. Titus is never this floppy as town.
And Beeboy has barely posted since gamestart which is very worrisome.
...
In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I am in a masonry with SirCakez
so idk how reliable your claim is o.o
~Bee
...


......



.
.
.

Time for some early reads!
Town pool = Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Scum pool = Mcmenno, kraskaesque, obi
Special slot who gets their own corner because I can't read them = reasonably rational
......

. . . . . .


. . . . . . . . .


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wat.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #23) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:07 pm

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In post 605, SirCakez wrote:Wait mastin if you thought the Mason claims were legit why did you have both Obi and I in the scumread section of your list earlier?
I think the answer to this should be self-explanatory enough.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #24) » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:26 pm

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In post 641, Almost50 wrote:I'm struggling to see how some players are already making read lists (Mastina even provided a full list!!!!).
Honestly I could have made that list from something like page five. I was just holdin' back on ya.

It's not perfect since there's some signal interference here and there, but kids these days have no clue how well they broadcast their alignments. I've been out of touch as a player as of late, mainly because I haven't been playing games, but a combination of me lightly engaging people in blitzes (albeit badly), giving advice from the dead PT including on reading players, and most importantly seeing half of this playerlist in action from my own game, has given me a fairly decent baseline to jump back into the game at full-force.

It's a case where, honestly, as a player, I just have to read content, and post content, in order to ensure a town win.

I mean.
It's not like my reads are gonna have the entire scumteam at the bottom of my list.
But I can guarantee you: in spite of my miller claim, I'm going to be nightkilled early, and then people won't take a serious look at my reads to understand where they come from.

I'm not sure when I'll switch to serious mode. Some time after D1's start, fairly sure.
I remember what you said about me in Soccer Spirits: you had heard I had a good reputation, but never seen me in action.
Well, this game, you will. I earned that rep. (Honestly, that's one reason I love my title so much. One of the meanings you can attribute to it is that no matter how much I can suck, I always bounce back to my prime, a "second coming", eventually. I just have to nail my trajectory, make sure I don't stoop into apathy or even worse arrogance, and I'm golden.)

We're in the "dicking around" stage right now.
When we're in the "actually want to lynch scum" stage, one, people can sheep me, and two, if they have doubts they engage me and I explain why they should be sheeping me, and three, if they still don't want to follow me, they present the reasons they think I'm wrong and four, if I agree I move on to the next target. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Of course, along the way we'll have these pesky things called "roleclaims", but by the very thing that makes it bad for town to claim, we also know that we can ignore claims should it come to the choice between letting a scummy player with a good claim live or letting a town player with a not-so-pristine claim live. (That being, if Varsoon's word is in fact true, scum's fakeclaims should be good enough that they're just as good if not better than actual town roles.)

That mentality won't hit scum 100% of the time.
But this no-nonsense approach will allow even the mislynches to just tighten the noose around scum.

As a free hint, for instance: my list as it stands now is imperfect because the players at the bottom slots don't mesh well as a team. There's scum that are therefore higher than they should be. But I won't be able to tell exactly where and when until we have more data. These are some pretty high-level concepts I'm going on about (I mean, they shouldn't be, to me this is just simple stuff, but in the current meta it seems they are), and unfortunately any scumteam with at least one competent member will have countermeasures to my methods (not specifically because of me as a player, I'm not THAT large of a threat, but countermeasures that work against my methods also work against a lot of other things), but I have some secret weapons up my sleeve to help me deal with that for as long as I live.

...Still no paragon of mafia hunters perfection in reads, but does get me more scum than not.
In short: people of
my
generation don't need no daystart to get reads. :P
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Post Post #831 (isolation #25) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:06 am

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In post 695, Firebringer wrote:Does alliance in that context mean that Skybird can talk to the player who has role card of Steven Universe?
I am guessing that makes Skybird "Connie".
Really not a bad assumption.

As for the event triggering the -2 stress: an extension of me being a miller I suppose is that my event power instead of raising stress lowers it by two. That was my trigger. (I know, Varsoon said that in general, town events will raise stress and scum events will lower stress. But mine didn't. Dealwithit.) It was a pro-town power, I assure you, best used early rather than later especially given that I'm going to die early this game regardless.

VOTE: Not Chara.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #26) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:11 am

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In post 719, Yume wrote:no, they added me to their neighborhood and it says they're confirmed town in there.
I'd have preferred you kept that information secret.

But, yes.
This is why I was rather doubtful of the masons.

Because
I
am a mason.
Miller, yes.
But also mason.

Also why I said I'm gonna die early.
Kinda sucks, too. When you're conftown, you die and people just assume you died for being conftown.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:22 am

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In post 836, Reasonably Rational wrote:Pedit: you should have probably told Yume to keep that information secret. :/
Lil' hard to do when Yume's outed everything while I'm still asleep and when last I checked the game was in pregame, where V told me my power wouldn't work. (But he'd take my submitted action anyway and trigger it on daystart.)
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Post Post #847 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:25 am

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In post 841, McMenno wrote:did your neighborizer/masonizer power do this?
Yes, my power caused stress to lower by two when I triggered it. The tradeoff was worth it.
In post 839, Firebringer wrote:The blind leading the blinder.
You go do your thing and push Reasonably Rational, I'll go do my thing and push Not Chara. Both options work well enough, I just think my way will work better because pressuring RR right now won't give as much as pressuring RR on, say, D2.
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Post Post #850 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:27 am

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In post 845, TheWayItEnds wrote:i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.
It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:36 am

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I haven't allied with anyone.
I said I would never ally with anyone, and that still stands: nothing good will come from me allying with a player.
The reason I said I would never ally with anyone isn't because I didn't want a PT, isn't because I didn't want a chat, isn't because of not wanting to be in a pair. It's not because of a lack of desire. I'd LOVE to ally with someone, if not for the nature of my ally power.
The reason I said I would never ally with anyone is from a MECHANICAL point of view, because nothing pro-town will ever come of me allying with anyone.

But Yume was not an ally power.
Yume is a game-long, permanent power, completely and entirely unrelated to my ally powers. It is therefore something that I not only could use, but was planning to use.
I wasn't planning on Yume outing it, which is unfortunate, but I was planning on using it.

I will say no more.
There's no inconsistency. Simply a difference in mechanics.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:09 pm

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Howdy, folks.

Remember when I made that there reads list of mine?

Yeah, well, it's in need of some updatin', so here ya go.

Yume
farside22
TheWayItEnds
Firebringer
grapes
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Killthestory
randomidget
kraskaesque
Cooldog
Foxbird
Shiro
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Skybird
McMenno
Almost50
DrippingGoofball
Seraphim
Klingoncelt
SnarkySnowman

Xkfyu
Reasonably Rational
SirCakez
Not Chara

Of course, you might be wonderin: what's with the bottom four names? Yeah, well, that right there is yer scumteam.

Now, I'm quite aware: given the size of this game, you should expect five, right?

Yeah. I'm missing one. But that's where y'all come in! I'm accepting applications. You'll need some good references to get in, though.

I figure, reasons would probably be useful here, so I'll let you in on a little secret: I have this superweapon which worked on the scum names I have so far, a "tell", if you will.
Unfortunately, if I were to reveal what it is right now, any chance of finding the fifth would be lost, so I suppose for the time, you'll just have to do without.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #32) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:09 pm

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In post 945, SirCakez wrote:Wait is Yume conftown via mastin?
Yes.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:14 pm

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Actually,

Yume
farside22
TheWayItEnds
Creature
Firebringer
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Killthestory
randomidget
kraskaesque
Cooldog
Foxbird
Shiro
Obi-Wan Kenobi
SnarkySnowman
Skybird
McMenno
Almost50
DrippingGoofball
Seraphim
Klingoncelt

Xkfyu
Reasonably Rational
SirCakez
Not Chara

A little more precise would be this.
Like I said: still trying to find that fifth.
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:43 pm

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In post 1006, CooLDoG wrote:WHy are we lynching the lurker d1? does not compute
You might apply the term lurking to Not Chara, but it is certainly not the traditional type. More like active. Because Not Chara? Has the
third-highest
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Kinda hard to call that traditional lurking.
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #35) » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:07 pm

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In post 1020, DrippingGoofball wrote:What do you do if there is a lineup

I have some ideas, but I'm not quite ready to share 'em.
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:23 pm

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In post 1059, grapes wrote:mastin2/Yume/farside22/Obi-Wan Kenobi/Creature/SnarkySnowman/killthestory/randomidget/McMenno/Skybird/Almost50
Seraphim/CooLDoG/Firebringer/DrippingGoofball
TheWayItEnds/Xkfyu/Foxbird/Shiro/Klingoncelt
kraskaesque/Not Chara/Reasonably Rational/SirCakez
Dammit, grapes.
Stop trying to steal the N1 nightkill! :P
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #37) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:27 pm

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In post 1070, Almost50 wrote:WHY has Yume become semi-confirmed after Mastina put her at the top of her reads??
Yes, why indeed. Why would Yume become confirmed town after mastina the self-proclaimed mason has Yume the person who confirmed mastina in the first place as town. Almost like there's some form of mutual confirmation going on, in a private thread. If only there was a name for that.
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Post Post #1378 (isolation #38) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:37 pm

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In post 1107, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Farside, I would like to get on the same page as you and Mastina.
Can you just highlight where we're wrong in your opinion?
Okay.
In post 1104, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Lean Town

DGB
Don't want to lynch today but I see the points

RR
Needs More

X
Lean Scum

CoolDog

ScumReads

Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
Seraphim
SnarkySnowman
Creature

Hard to Place, Would lynch

Cakey
KilltheStory (beeboy and I strongly disagree here, willing to go along with him)
DGB's a bit too high. RR is a viable lynch, because they are scum. X is scum. Cooldog isn't. Kraska isn't. Seraphim's not my top pick. SnarkySnowman's more likely town than not. Creature's one of my stronger townreads. SirCakez there shouldn't be ANY doubt at all about; dude's obvscum. And Killthestory shouldn't even remotely be a scumread.
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:40 pm

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That moment when you feel like you're surrounded by self-destructive, stubborn morons who all are
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #40) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:53 pm

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In post 1146, farside22 wrote:Creature, snarky....who else did I agree with. Seraphim I think was the other one.
I'd say pressure someone that gives the most info.
Mastin: where do you stand on this?
Well, my stance on this is twofold.
First, your idea of pressuring someone who gives the most info is mutually exclusive with every name up there who would give none except, "Oh, they were town".
Second, with the
possible
exception of Seraphim, they are town.

I usually don't lay down the law on matters until we get to a lull in the game where nobody's doing anything except repeating themselves to dodge a prod, but I'm strongly considering intervening right here and now to shut you all down and actually lynch scum. I can show you very clearly why Creature is town. Not off of role or anything. Creature is just very obviously town. But I don't want to say why now.

My read on SnarkySnowman isn't as strong. And to be honest, I don't expect much of him even if I'm right and he's town. So I'd rather not put the effort in to defend a player whose value is overall a net gain to scum regardless of his alignment. (This because a combination of reasons: I do not think SnarkySnowman will listen to the players who he needs to listen to, meaning he will vote in the wrong areas, and because others will always scumread him no matter what, meaning he is a constant mislynch bait. He's the type of player that as scum I love to have populating my game because he disrupts town cohesion and acts as a distraction. But he's exactly that: a distraction. A shiny. Nothing more.)

My read on Seraphim is something I want more time to develop, but I don't want it developed through pressure. I want to observe Seraphim in his natural environment, so to speak. There are much better people to push on. He's not someone I see myself wanting to lynch even if he is scum, because I don't think we gain anything from it.

The players I want to lynch within are RR/Not Chara/SirCakez, all which will give information. I mean,
personally
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #41) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:01 pm

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In post 1189, Seraphim wrote:
Spoiler: reduction
I'm on the fence about a lot of players but here are some thoughts and reads I've had.

farside is town (Even though I will probably get accused of buddying w/e). A high level of engagement with the game and probably the game's strongest scumhunter currently. Which is why Snarky is really hard to read. On the one hand, the push is bullshit. On the other hand, they are putting themselves out there very strongly with their bullshit read/case thing. I'm uncertain as of this moment if that's because Snarky is scum caught with their pants down and now forced to push the read until they can weasel their way out of it OR they are town who genuinely believe what is actually not a fantastic scumread at all. So I'm sitting on that one.

SirCakez and McMenno are two other scumreads I have. If a wagon emerged on either on them, I would definitely join in. grapes has largely outlined a fairly excellent case on Cakez, but there is a strong tendency of surface level play, a going through the motions of engagement. McMenno has been lurking in the wings and also rolefishing super hard. I think every player here wants more answers in terms of role shit but McMenno's questioning of Mastin seemed like scum using the pretense of that lack of information to try and secure a lynch.

I wanted to pressure TWIE almost more than I scumread them. If that makes sense. See if I could beetlejuice them into the thread.
Same thing with Xkfyu. The big difference here being that they showed up and made some other awful posts.

I am really not sure what people are seeing in Not Chara as scum.
Okay, this post pretty much killed any interest I would have ever had in lynching Seraphim.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #42) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:07 pm

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In post 1225, Firebringer wrote:Not Chara, you need a break from this game like 10 pages ago.
Step back, you sound crazy.
Not crazy, just scum.
You want crazy, stare in the mirror for five minutes. Try it, something magical happens if you keep looking at a reflection like that.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #43) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:11 pm

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In post 1240, grapes wrote:Where's mastin?
Asleep for half the day, drawing for other parts of it, doing basics like eating for yet more. But here, and still backing you up on your Not Chara push. It is scum. Your reasons are right.

I have more, reasons of my own, but I'm holding back on them until I can for sure find a fifth scum, which I haven't. (You and I disagree a little bit in there. Not a battle I want to fight right now, would much rather we focus on what we mutually agree on.)
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #44) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:18 pm

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In post 1265, Firebringer wrote:I am so legit confused on all RRs reads.
Gee, I wonder why?
Surely it can't be because of something to do with RR's alignment!
Like, maybe, just maybe, it's as if their confusing reads can tell you where they're coming from.
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Post Post #1396 (isolation #45) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:26 pm

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I'd quote , but it's a bit of a long wall.
This is me saying that, similar to grapes, Titus has my full support.
In an actual rarity, I actually
get
where Titus is coming from. That (almost) never happens. I understand what she's thinking. I understand the reasons for her push, and they are
not
moonlogic. They have a solid basis, which I AGREE with, and this is not only a caliber of play I don't think Titus can pull off as scum (for any who doubt her alignment), but ALSO good analysis which I would sheep even if I wasn't already on the wagon.
In post 1296, Firebringer wrote:Do I have to come in here to tell people to walk away from the thread so we can actually get productive?
Cause I am kind of done with Titus tunneling at this point.
When the game is over.
We'll see who was the one tunneling.
Hint: it aint the multiple people all agreeing for different, yet augmentative, reasons.
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Post Post #1404 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:39 pm

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In post 1368, farside22 wrote:Basically I think mastin is town but not telling the whole truth.
Naturally I'm not telling the whole truth. I didn't fullclaim, after all. I specifically said I wouldn't.
All the same, this doesn't change my statement. Yume is, 100%, no doubt, unambiguously, town. THAT, my friend, is no lie or exaggeration.
So, dealwithit.
You don't like Yume's play, tough. But Yume's town, so you're going to have to live with it because Yume's never getting lynched. Ever.
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #47) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:41 pm

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In post 1371, grapes wrote:EVERYONE NOT VOTING CHARA CAKES OR RR EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE TOWN OR HOP THE FUCK OFF YOUR SHITTY VANITY WAGON THANKS
Oh god yes.
At this point I'd endorse your death before mine because you've earned it with elegance like this.
This is my sentiments exactly.
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #48) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:53 pm

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By the way: the number of secret weapons I have against the scum in my readslist has increased from one to two.
There's two things they now all have in common.
Admittedly, they're related things.

But they're separate, and it'd be nice to reveal to you all what they are right now, but I need some patience to make sure I'm right in my inclinations right now.
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #49) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:01 pm

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In post 1420, Creature wrote:Scum usually wins Large Theme because there are often a bunch of lynchbaits
See also: McMenno, Yume if she wasn't confirmed town by me, Cooldog, SnarkySnowman, apparently to some you, maybe KTS, maybe kraskaesque, potentially randomidget if he keeps this level of activity up, formerly Seraphim until he towned it up, Shiro, maybe Foxbird, and maybe Skybird.

...Now. Granted. I'm expecting a 50% chance of there being
precisely
one scum in the above names, no more but potentially less. But the rest? All town, all mislynch baity, all attracting negative attention when the vast majority of them are guaranteed to be town and once the competent townies who realize this are killed off the less-competent town players will begin to mislynch in here even though they shouldn't.
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #50) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:08 pm

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Speaking of reads,

Yume
grapes
farside22
Creature
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Seraphim
TheWayItEnds
Firebringer
Killthestory
Almost50

randomidget
kraskaesque
Cooldog
Skybird
Foxbird
Shiro
SnarkySnowman
McMenno
DrippingGoofball
Klingoncelt

Xkfyu
Reasonably Rational
SirCakez
Not Chara

If there's any scum in the top list, congratulations, you've successfully found a win as long as I live since I'm not lynching you ever. (Well, most likely anyway.)
The middle list is the candidacy for final scum. I'm still waiting on more before I reveal my weapons.
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #51) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 1440, SirCakez wrote:Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it
VOTE: McMenno
also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi
Now what was it I was
just
going on about?

I'm not absolutely certain.
But I'm pretty sure McMenno is town here.

That he's obviously a counterwagon to not one not two but THREE players I'd call almost-guaranteed scum (SirCakez, RR, and NotChara) certainly does no favor to the idea of him being scum.

I mean.
That kind-of screams scum counterwagon to me.
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:17 pm

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Hmm...
VOTE: SirCakez.
Yume, Almost50, rally to me.

grapes, this is a scumread of yours too, so you should come over here for a while.
I actually think we should be doing this instead.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #53) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:19 pm

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Same goes for you, Titus.
Trust me, please?

We want this over Not Chara. Plus, aside from this being a better wagon than Not Chara in my current opinion...if literally all of us switch, we'll have more support.
And, I might ask you: aside from Not Chara voting SirCakez, do you think there's any scum voting SirCakez?
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:23 pm

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In post 1461, Creature wrote:So scum will have a free pass by going into the lurkers.
You've been reading too much MD.
Not the healthiest habit.

Lurkers are difficult to read.
Not impossible to read.

You'll note that I, in particular, have a rather distinct scumread on Xkfyu, a lurker.
If you can't read lurkers, that's a fault in YOUR ability. Not theirs. Learn to fix it.
Town players are under no obligation to make themselves look town. I mean, ideally, they should be trying to find scum, and some of the lurkers really aren't doing much of that, that makes them bad players, yes, but lynching them would be nothing except policy lynching.
Rather than actual scumhunting.

I can tell you why I think McMenno is town in particular, even though that's a read I'm not sure of. I'd prefer not to, but it'd be an example of why you can read the actions of lurkers.
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #55) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:27 pm

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In post 1467, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:One MAJOR concern. If we let NC go, you get killed, how the FUCK will we get them lynched with Farside basically acting like they'll only listen to themselves?
Trust me. Seriously, trust me. I have ROLE-based secret weapons beyond the miller-masonry, too. I know what I'm doing, here. This is a combination of role and play-based reasons. Not Chara will not get away if scum. But I want a guaranteed scum lynch, and right now, I'm actually more certain that SirCakez is scum than I am Not Chara is. There's still like an 85% chance Not Chara's scum, but that's about comparable to Xkfyu, whereas RR's sitting at 90% and SirCakez at 95%, the highest I'll go without role-based reasons.
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #56) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:34 pm

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In post 1474, SirCakez wrote:I actually would like to ally with mastin because of very strong role-related reasons that A50 can correlate
I guess you missed the memo.
In post 660, mastin2 wrote:When we're in the "actually want to lynch scum" stage, one, people can sheep me, and two, if they have doubts they engage me and I explain why they should be sheeping me, and three, if they still don't want to follow me, they present the reasons they think I'm wrong and four, if I agree I move on to the next target. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Of course, along the way we'll have these pesky things called "roleclaims", but by the very thing that makes it bad for town to claim, we also know that we can ignore claims should it come to the choice between letting a scummy player with a good claim live or letting a town player with a not-so-pristine claim live. (That being, if Varsoon's word is in fact true,
scum's fakeclaims should be good enough that they're just as good if not better than actual town roles
.)
That wasn't a fluff post. That wasn't a bluff.
That was a promise.

Fuck role reasons.
I'm lynching you. Your play is scum. So I don't give a damn, you could claim triple-vig-cop for all I care, you're getting lynched.
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Post Post #1533 (isolation #57) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:22 pm

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In post 1530, Seraphim wrote:Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.
Basically, difference between town lurkers and scum lurkers.
McMenno, I believe, is a town lurker, for some very specific reasons.
Xkfyu, I believe, is the scum lurker.
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #58) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:29 pm

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Klingoncelt is barely avoiding being in my scum pool. I want to put her in there so badly, but she's not quite at the same level as the other four. That list I made contains a gradual progression of most town to least town, and right now, she's sitting at fifth from the bottom: maybe she's actually scum and deserves to be in the scum pile, maybe she isn't and I haven't found the person to put below her, too soon to tell for sure. But if you think I'm townreading her, the answer is hell no.
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #59) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:33 pm

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In post 1535, Seraphim wrote:I am someone who prides themselves on being able to read town intent and authenticity in posts. None of McMenno's posts have had it. What am I missing?
In the old site meta, nothing.
In the new site meta, what you need to be looking for is reading for scum intent and inauthenticy in posts. McMenno's posts lack it. There's more to it than that, reasons I'm still holding back, but that's part of it.

Why do you think people like Firebringer and Killthestory spampost/shitpost? It's the new generation's way of showing they're town.
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #60) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:33 pm

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(Not that many of them will actually admit it, of course.)
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #61) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:25 pm

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By the way, Firebringer: this may surprise you, but I'm deferring my Shiro read to you.
You tell me Shiro's town, I'll believe you.
You tell me to lynch Shiro, I'll sheep you.

I don't think I'm qualified to read Shiro, but I actually think you
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, and you also have a topic with Shiro, so. Enjoy free reign over that read.

When it comes to Cooldog, there's something I need to look into. I've got a suspicion he might be the scum we're looking for, but I'm not absolutely sure yet.
Right now, on my list, he's right above Klingoncelt. (Who is, yaknow. At the bottom of the middle tier.)

Keeping my other thoughts private for the time being.
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Post Post #1551 (isolation #62) » Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:33 pm

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Okay, Cooldog's the guy I'm putting down for now as my fifth.
It's not as strong as I'd like it to be, but I think he's more likely scum than town.

Fully revised readslist:
Yume
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farside22
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Obi-Wan Kenobi
Seraphim
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Firebringer
Killthestory
Almost50

randomidget
kraskaesque
(I am almost ready to promote them, but not quite.)

Skybird
Foxbird
McMenno
Shiro
SnarkySnowman
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Klingoncelt
(If any of my scumreads flip town, she goes in.)

Cooldog
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #63) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:12 am

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In post 1552, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Can you talk to me about Creature?
Have you looked at his iso? There's absolutely nothing scum about it. All his pushes are sincere. They're not all good! He pushes a fair number of town players, yeah. But the pushes aren't coming from the viewpoint of scum trying to mislynch. Nor are they coming from the viewpoint of scum trying to remain useless. Nor are they coming from the viewpoint of scum making a move for towncred. They come from the viewpoint of town trying to lynch scum, even if their viewpoint on matters...happens to be one I mostly disagree with.

There's more to the read than that, of course, but I'm holding off on giving full explanations for as long as humanly possible. (I do, after all, have a backup weapon: only one of Yume and I can be nightkilled by the scum, so if one of us dies, the other can just convey the information. I trust Yume can paraphrase my posts such that the important stuff is communicated.)
In post 1568, farside22 wrote:Why is ra dem so high on this list?
You mean randomidget?

Simple: randomidget hasn't given much, but what he
has
given has been immensely town. Literally every single post he's made has given me the impression he's town. Some give me this impression stronger than others, but I do mean it. Literally. EVERY. post. The main reason he's not higher is because there's not more for me to be absolutely sure. He hasn't given much game content relevant to major topics at hand, and until he does, I can't get a firm hold on him one way or another.
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Post Post #1720 (isolation #64) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:18 am

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In post 1595, Firebringer wrote:I am really starting to think that Kling isn't just bad reading but scum trying to fake a read. I can go into that more later I think. It just feels out of place all game, and doesn't feel like she believes it. I think grapes mentioned that before, but I agree with it.
This is a given. There's a very high chance Klingoncelt is scum this game.
mcmenno still hasn't answered for his crimes of being a block.
This is a given. McMenno posts this way more often than not. I don't trust meta enough to say "McMenno's posting this game is clearly...", because obviously that'd be bullshit. But I do use meta to verify there isn't a night/day difference between towngames and scumgames. I looked at two scumgames and like eight towngames, comparing them to this game. The data told me that while it might be theoretically possible to read him off of past games (there may be slight differences), pragmatically he's always like this in every game.

So, if he's like this in every game (he is), what, then, do you read him off of? What he's done, because his actions can still be read regardless of his alignment, off of the circumstances surrounding him. And right now, off of the circumstances surrounding him, given what he's contributed, I'm growing more and more convinced that McMenno is town. He will always be scummy. He will always be lynchbait. Town, scum, doesn't matter. But you still have to put effort into trying to read him. And this game, he rolled town.
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Post Post #1722 (isolation #65) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:24 am

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In post 1658, grapes wrote:Scum are bussing.
Maybe not.

I'm telling you: McMenno is town, here.
I also think you should not be focusing on Not Chara, here. It is not a high-priority target, if you're willing to just trust me.
In post 1659, McMenno wrote:mastina meant my wagon
and the driving forces behind that are mainly cooldog and cakeman
Among others, yes.
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Post Post #1723 (isolation #66) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:31 am

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In post 1676, Almost50 wrote:I'm not sure we want to do this today. I mean, I could see it both ways, but I'm currently leaning on Cakez being town.
Why?
If role-based reasons: fuck that.
If neighborhood-based reasons: ESPECIALLY fuck that, you know how easy it is to manipulate neighborhood posting to be townier than in-thread posting? Scum SPECIALIZE in manipulating specific townies in those neighborhoods. They've got a select target audience (the town members of the neighborhood), and thus, they are able to manipulate their content within as to make them sound town to you.

If entirely off of reasons from this thread: I strongly advise you reconsider. SirCakez is playing a scumgame. I'm THIS close to revealing my tells out of frustration, here. But he's shown both, rather strongly I might add. One would be damning enough! Both present mean he really should be our lynch. I guarantee you. SirCakez is scum.
Also, we don't actually need to lynch inside the event. By definition, the 5 members of "Joy Ride" are on a separate mini-game tonight. They cannot affect other players outside of it, nor can they be affected by others, so I'd rather we were given proper chance to sort eachother out in there.
Again, fuck that. Scum are scum. SirCakez is scum. Reasonably Rational is also scum. They are the two guaranteed-scum players that if lynched would give us the most information. And by your logic...they're off-limits today.

Guess what that forces us to do?
It either forces us to lynch someone who might not even be scum...
...Or it forces us to try and lynch a lurker-scum like Xkfyu. Which not only gives us less info, but ALSO is much harder to fight for, because people are dumb and refuse to listen when it comes to the idea of lynching scum != lynching off of policy, thinking that it must be some arbitrary lurker-lynch policy when NO, it's NOT, it's fucking lynching scum.
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Post Post #1727 (isolation #67) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:37 am

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Oh, whoops. My bad. There's two scum there, but it's SirCakez and Cooldog, not SirCakez and RR.
In post 1699, Creature wrote:lol Almost50, that list sucks
A lot more than it doesn't, yes, but it does have some merit. From town above, I'd be willing to wager he's accurate. It's just that from townlean and below, he couldn't be much worse off.
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #68) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:42 am

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In post 1704, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Wagon of 6, contains 3 scumreads...
Come back Mastina... :(
No, just two, with four idiot town who can't be bothered to put in the effort to actually read a player and realize that they're town.

I'm quite frustrated, here, but if I can't get SirCakez, then I'll settle for this:
VOTE: Reasonably Rational.
I'd lynch Not Chara as a last resort right now, but we are NOT lynching McMenno. No matter how tempting it'd be. McMenno is a shiny. A distraction. An object which looks attractive, but when you actually bother inspecting, has nothing appealing about it: a lynch which may look good on the surface, but with any effort put in at all you realize is a load of crap, more empty than his posting is.
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Post Post #1732 (isolation #69) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:44 am

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In post 1709, Creature wrote:
mastin2

Do you agree there?
Extremely tempted to, yes.
My power is something that town should never need to use and which scum benefit immensely from, but I'm considering using it on McMenno anyway just as a "fuck you" to you all.
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Post Post #1738 (isolation #70) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:47 am

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In post 1719, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Is it possible he's the townbeard? Yes, but I don't think he is.
T R U S T M E.
TRUST.

Creature is not scum.
I guarantee you it.
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #71) » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:02 pm

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In post 1760, Firebringer wrote:I don't think rr and grapes are scum together, possible other teams?
Someone want to help me with that contradiction?
Sure thing.
Your read on grapes is wrong. They are town.
Your read on RR is right. They are scum.
In post 1778, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.
Good GOD I hate you all so much now.
What part of this wasn't clear?
In post 660, mastin2 wrote:Of course, along the way we'll have these pesky things called "roleclaims", but by the very thing that makes it bad for town to claim, we also know that
we can ignore claims should it come to the choice between letting a scummy player with a good claim live or letting a town player with a not-so-pristine claim live. (That being, if Varsoon's word is in fact true,
scum's fakeclaims should be good enough that they're just as good if not better than actual town roles
.)
We are NOT letting obvscum coast for TWO FUCKING DAYS off of a claim, and we are CERTAINLY not going to then CLEAR THEM off of it.

Fuck roles.
Use scumhunting.

This is not Reasonably Rational as town.
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Post Post #2074 (isolation #72) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:49 am

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In post 1788, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:I would, but I haven't been given a single fucking reason why they are scum.
I'm a bit swamped today and maybe tomorrow, but come Monday? Sure I'll give you plenty. But for now:
The reach out to me was totally fucking town.
That was a Reasonably Rational tell. Not a towntell. I'd argue it was even a scumtell.
Their role is town.
See my , , and for my thoughts on that.
Their scumhunting is town.
Absolutely not! That's actually one of the problems with them!
Their desire to see NC scum lynched seems legit.
Not really, no.
This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.
Your read on Creature is 100% wrong, so there.

This IS Reasonably Rational as scum.
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Post Post #2076 (isolation #73) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:52 am

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In post 1817, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Look, I'm open to the possibility of being wrong on creature and open to the possibility of being wrong.
Not from where I stand.

I guarantee you, Creature is not scum.

More than I guarantee you that RR is scum, I guarantee you Creature is not scum.
I'd be more willing to let go of a RR scumread than I'd ever be willing to let go of the Creature townread.
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Post Post #2078 (isolation #74) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:55 am

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In post 1832, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Oh and for the record, I HATE fucking nullreads with a passion.
So do I.
I'll give you a preview of the coming attraction: all of my scumreads are at least partially based on their null reads.

You know who I'm scumreading by now.
So take a look and see if you can guess why.
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #75) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:58 am

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In post 1837, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:VOTE: Klingoncelt
This is an acceptable wagon.
Basically, the lynches that I'd want today are SirCakez (highest), RR (second), Klingoncelt (third), Cooldog (fourth), Xkfyu (last I'd desire), or as a last resort, Not Chara.

So, not my first preference.
But definitely lynchable if we can't get majority on better options.

Scum lynches are scum lynches, so as long as it's one of the above being wagoned, we're mostly good. (Mostly, in that one will flip town.)
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #76) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:02 am

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In post 1871, grapes wrote:This is why cakes is scum ftr. He's quick to write this off as tvt without giving a deeper understanding of what exactly is going on here and our takes on what happened in the hood aren't very similar at all. They're different because what chara said went down isn't what went down because its scum.
In other words. His logic is "okay these two guys both developed opportunistic scumreads on each other out of nowhere and are both twisting what was said in a hood to make the other person look bad. Feels town on town."
One, my scumread devolved on chara far earlier. Two, that doesn't make any sense.
Well I wasn't gonna bring this up until later, buuuuuuuuuut...you're completely and entirely right here about SirCakez being scum with his intervention.
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #77) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:04 am

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In post 1874, Not Chara wrote:grapes might not be scum. if Cakez is scum, grapes is town. and Cakez called our argument TvT because he knew that's what it was. would also be the reason for his defense of me, when otherwise i'm an incredibly safe wagon for scum to choose.
grapes is town no matter what, period.
You being town is the only thing in question, HOWEVER, regardless of whether you are or aren't town, SirCakez is definitely scum.
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #78) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:08 am

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In post 1881, Almost50 wrote:Question: How sure are we that this is single-ball?
V never gives confirmation of single-ball, but I'll eat three eggs in one bite if this game turns up multiball.
I'm positive it's not.

Plus, you people who keep on thinking, "X is scum, and Y also is scum, but they're attacking each other" keep jumping to the wrong conclusion. It's not "opposite scum". It's not even "bussing scum", not yet anyway.

It's that you're wrong about one of your scumreads, and might be right on the other one, but are definitely wrong on at least one.

Go ahead and ask me how I know this.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #79) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:17 am

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Fuck it, further preview time.
In post 1882, Reasonably Rational wrote:Varsoon very much dislikes the swinginess inherent in multiball, but this is the first game of ths size that he's ran, so it's certainly possible.
-Cerb
See this comment?

This comment is literally everywhere in his iso.
EVERYWHERE.
Not this exact words.
This exact type of comment.

People will be asking all these questions about things.
Cerb will try to appear helpful, useful, by answering them...
...But instead of actually giving a hard stance on them, he gives a nonanswer.
He gives something noncommittal, something that looks like it is answering the question but is meant to leave the player with just as much doubt as what they had before, only with the impression Cerb was helping them.

And it's not just on mechanics.
On players? Same thing.
On reads? Same thing.

He will take the fence.
He will stay in the middle.

There's a difference between him keeping cards to his chest, there's a difference between him being cautious, there's a difference between him having a slow start, there's a difference between him carefully considering issues to come to an eventual conclusion...

...And him doing literally fuckall of nothing.
He is doing nothing. He is trying to appear like he's doing something. But he is doing. absolutely. nothing. Nothing. Nothing of substance. When Cerb is town, he has the close reads to his chest, caution, slow to start, with him carefully weighing issues...but he actually comes to hard stances eventually. All of his prodding and poking (which he DOES, mind you! He prods and he pokes, he asks questions, he tries to make inquiries here and there) has a point, has an objective, as he fact-checks, as he tries to find answers, as he tries to progress the gamestate.

But here, instead of that proactive self...his play is completely, and entirely, REACTIVE. His play is completely and entirely without push. He is doing nothing but answering. He isn't asking. Just answering.

And that pattern has been in the game for FAR too fucking long for this to be an abnormality in Cerb's towngame.

This is Reasonably Rational as scum.

This is a dead repeat of what he did in Gistou. Look there at the non-Bins posts to get a fair idea of what he did and wasn't doing.
He tried to appear helpful.
He answered mechanical questions.

But he didn't scumhunt.

He's not scumhunting here.
He hasn't been.
Just answering.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #80) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:31 am

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Also, I just did a brief skim of my past games with Cerb.
Past-me agrees with present-me.
Past-me has a perfect accuracy at reading Cerb.
Past-me saw the exact same things as present-me is seeing.
As town, as scum, I did check both, and these were Reasonably Rational games (not Cerb as an individual games), and the readings couldn't have been clearer.

I mean.
I could do a much more thorough readthrough, to confirm absolutely that I'm not misattributing things, but I'm pretty damn positive I haven't lost that touch.

This is not the same RR from Steven Universe.
This IS, however, the same RR that I saw in SC's game.
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Post Post #2116 (isolation #81) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:49 am

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In post 1910, Creature wrote:Scum excitation would be trying to look as helpful as possible.
(Psst. Guess who's done this all game?)

I should clarify something, btw: the point I made against Reasonably Rational applies
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as well to SirCakez. He's been on the defensive, the reactionary, all game long. There's been no prodding, no poking, from SirCakez. Iso him to see this for yourself. It's nonexistent. Everything he does has a disconnect: he'll post, and then post more, and all his posts are words which look good...but lead nowhere. He's doing nothing with what he's saying.

That's why SirCakez is scum.
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Post Post #2117 (isolation #82) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:53 am

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In post 1931, Shiro wrote:
In post 831, mastin2 wrote:As for the event triggering the -2 stress: an extension of me being a miller I suppose is that my event power instead of raising stress lowers it by two. That was my trigger. (I know, Varsoon said that in general, town events will raise stress and scum events will lower stress. But mine didn't. Dealwithit.) It was a pro-town power, I assure you, best used early rather than later especially given that I'm going to die early this game regardless.
Varsoon wrote:Generally, anti-town Episode Events and outcomes will move the stress meter towards 'Tragic Destiny.'
Pro-town Episode Events and outcomes will move the stress meter towards 'Slice of Life'.
Quoted From the first post. Why did you lie there ?
Um.
I didn't?
Read again.
Generally, anti-town events move the stress towards Tragic Destiny.
My power moved it 2 towards Tragic Destiny.
Generally, pro-town events move the stress towards Slice of Life.
My power didn't function that way.
Negative stress is tragic destiny, isn't it?
I was under that impression.
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #83) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:04 pm

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In post 1961, Almost50 wrote:What the fuck is wrong with you?
Her alignment. (No, it's not town.)
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #84) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:08 pm

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In post 1963, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Won by murdering us because we were the only slot suspecting them.
Don't bring up a game where I'm scum and expect me to let you paint it in that light, no matter the reason, Titus.
I killed you because you were conftown and I couldn't let you live.
Otherwise, never woulda touched you. Your 1v1 with me was IMMENSELY helpful: it created so much noise, so much friction, so much heat, that it was doing nothing but making me look townier with every post. Attacking me was only damaging your rep. Attack me was only HELPING me.

So, take my advice, Titus: Please trust me, don't attack Not Chara.
You're not doing yourself any favors with it.
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Post Post #2128 (isolation #85) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:14 pm

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In post 1997, TheWayItEnds wrote:Uh. Mastin i have like 6 posts and you never townread me early. this is weird.
Dealwithit.
I'm conftown and not in a position to negotiate my townread on you. :P
In post 1998, TheWayItEnds wrote:what happened to the Cakez wagon?
i like that one.
The McMenno counterwagon happened, and in desperation, I had to direct attention onto Reasonably Rational (a secondary lynch candidate) to halt the stupid shiny.

Now we're just debating WHICH scumbag to lynch within SirCakez/RR/Cooldog/Klingoncelt/Xkfyu with some also on Not Chara.
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Post Post #2129 (isolation #86) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:30 pm

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In post 2079, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:You asked us to trust your claim with Yume (
and Yume's town independently
) but you are refusing to consider me vouching for RR.
And therein lies your reason for why.

Yume was town even before the claim.

Reasonably Rational...isn't.
Very much so, is. not. town.

For Yume, there can be trust that Yume is conftown for multiple reasons. Yume was a townread before. I was a townread before. We are confirming each other as town. This is a MUTUAL CONFIRMATION. It's not just off of reads but off of mod-given info. Not mod-given info that leaves room for ambiguity (say, a fruit vend), mod-given info that is absolute short of bastard modding confirmation of a player being town, and this is not a bastard modded game.

For RR, you're telling me their role is town, but everything you're saying is that RR's ability is something YOU THINK,
THINK
, is town. Believe. As in, there's room for ambiguity. You're not saying RR has an IC-like, hard, mod-confirmed, ABSOLUTE TRUTH, ability. And until you do, I'm not dropping my push. And even if you do, I expect hard proof because if I don't have evidence that RR is mod-confirmed town, I'm going to lynch them. (I don't care if they make an excuse for their ability not working, I'm lynching them PERIOD if you say that they have a power that will mod-confirm them as town and it does not trigger.)
They could claim to be a triple-voting doctor-cop hybrid for all I care and I wouldn't believe them. Because that's an AMBIGUOUS confirm. Rather than a HARD TRUTH mod confirm.

Add in that this is NOT Reasonably Rational's towngame, and...yeah.
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Post Post #2131 (isolation #87) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:31 pm

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In post 2086, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:farside, Yume, myself, you, and almost will all do Cakey. Let's do that rather than argue over your read.
FINE.
VOTE: SirCakez.
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #88) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:34 pm

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In post 2100, Reasonably Rational wrote:
In post 2099, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1881, Almost50 wrote:Question: How sure are we that this is single-ball?
V never gives confirmation of single-ball, but I'll eat three eggs in one bite if this game turns up multiball.
I'm positive it's not.
Plus, you people who keep on thinking, "X is scum, and Y also is scum, but they're attacking each other" keep jumping to the wrong conclusion. It's not "opposite scum". It's not even "bussing scum", not yet anyway.
It's that you're wrong about one of your scumreads, and might be right on the other one, but are definitely wrong on at least one.
How do you know this?
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #89) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:43 pm

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In post 2115, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, wtf mastin? I *DON'T* have firm stances on thing this early fucking ever.
Yes you do.
You don't know that you do.
Because you don't notice it the way I do.
But as town, there's always something about the way you go about your posting: you are getting further into the game.
As scum, you are just setting up pieces for the endgame, manipulating stances, manipulating players.

I'm flat-out saying I know you better than YOU know you.

You're hiding behind your job right now.
But I've seen you play with that job, both when legitimately hindered by it and when you managed to play hard without hindrance in spite of the job.

This is neither.
As town, you are ALWAYS better than you think you are at giving content. You are ALWAYS better than you think you are at broadcasting your alignment, and at making your town wincon known. You are ALWAYS better at revealing yourself as town than you give yourself credit for, because you always have this energy about you which radiates a sincere effort to figure out the game, and a sincere effort to find scum.

As scum, you always play the long-game. As scum, you hide behind the excuse of not being an early-game player. As scum, you claim that you're not that good early-on, and maybe you think it's true. But I know better than that. As scum, your aim is to carefully wait until you're in a position where you think you have the game under control.

And that's what you've been doing: waiting. Stalling. Manipulating.
Not gamesolving.
Not revealing yourself as town.
Not putting in effort in the time you have available.
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Post Post #2142 (isolation #90) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:50 pm

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In post 2119, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Full heartedly disagree. Every post is doing something from SirCakez. They scream he is failing scum. His whatever it is towards our slot is not solving the game, but rather giving him an excuse to hide. He's filtering everything through that impossible lens so he can walk back his reads later.
we agree that Cakey is not progressing the game forward but not in any way but he does convey things when he talks.
You say you disagree, and yet you're just saying the same thing in different words about him. "Not solving the game" is not doing anything. "An excuse to hide" is not doing anything. "Convey things when he talks" doesn't mean he does something when he talks.

That's my point.
All of my scumreads have this in common: iso Cooldog, it's like a lurkier shorter version of SirCakez's iso. You already know about Klingoncelt. And Xkfyu? Like an even lurkier, shorter version of Cooldog's iso.
Not Chara may or may not have it, which is one reason why it dropped in my scumreads: when I was convinced it did, it was a scumread; when I lost that confidence (but still saw it as possible), Not Chara dropped to its current position.

But Reasonably Rational has done the same.
I'd also like to point out that Drixx has been doing nothing this game as well. It's BOTH heads, not just one. I'm not pushing that point yet because I haven't done my research to know what's going on in Drixx's life right now and how active Drixx is in the RR hydra in general, but it's something that I can't help but notice: not only does he not speak often, but also when he does, he's doing nothing, just like Cerb.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #91) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:53 pm

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In post 2122, McMenno wrote:what happened to your desire to lynch not chara?
Not gone, but diminished between a combination of factors:
Not Chara did posting which made me doubt my read on it.
I recognized that Not Chara's defenders had made some valid points.
And most importantly, my scumread on other players grew stronger than my scumread on Not Chara, both past and present levels of that scumread.

Between those three, I'll lynch Not Chara if I must, but instead of it being a surefire scum lynch, we're talking 60/40 odds here: not ideal. So, while there's still a higher chance than default of Not Chara being scum, it is much, MUCH lower than my other suspects.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #92) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:55 pm

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In post 2125, Almost50 wrote:Fine. If NC is not happening, this might: VOTE: Creature
Over my dead body.

You remember how in Gistou, I was the moderator, and was basically tearing my hair out, out of frustration, with the motherly screaming of, "YOU ARE BEING MORONS", and how
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Yeah, well, this game, I'm not a moderator; I'm a player.
So I can intervene and say:
YOU ARE BEING MORONS.
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #93) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:57 pm

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In post 2132, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.
I rest my case.
That's a scum power.

I guarantee you, it's a scum power.
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #94) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:03 pm

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In post 2151, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
In post 2149, mastin2 wrote:
In post 2132, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.
I rest my case.
That's a scum power.
I guarantee you, it's a scum power.
Wow. You just said you needed a mod confirmed town event. I gave it to you. You persist. Like holy fuck you are confbiased.
When I said mod-confirmed.
I didn't mean power confirmed.
I meant ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED BY THE EVENT.

My power with Yume?
ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED BY THE EVENT.

RR's power?
Confirmed by the event, yes, but only the existence thereof. Not the alignment.
And that's what I meant.

You're saving Reasonably Rational off of a ROLE based reason, when that ROLE is not something Varsoon couldn't give to scum. Fuck! You'd know that better than anyone, you were scum in the first Steven Universe game with not one but TWO powers that were not something players would think scum would have, and yet,
they did
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this game
already went into at great length.)

It is a scum power.
I, 100%, guarantee you that much.
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #95) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:37 pm

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In post 2173, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:I don't like players who kiss my ass.
Apparently, you do.
Only way I can see that RR townread materializing out of their thin air.
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Post Post #2442 (isolation #96) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:40 pm

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In post 2195, Killthestory wrote:Mastin is scum lol, no idea why they have all those town reads.
Hm, MAYBE this could be thanks to some sort of mod confirmation.
But I dunno.
It's not like someone has CLAIMED this or anything.
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #97) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:45 pm

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In post 2221, Randomnamechange wrote:Is this a crumb?
Not one to me.
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Post Post #2444 (isolation #98) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:49 pm

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In post 2272, Killthestory wrote:lol r u dumb I'm an IC
If you're an IC, you're certainly displaying the average intelligence I've seen of them (barring RR, pretty much one of the only sane uses of that role I've ever seen), considering your last two votes have been on the masons this game.

Which, you know.
Might
have something to do with why nobody's following you!
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Post Post #2445 (isolation #99) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:51 pm

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In post 2294, Killthestory wrote:
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HAS DECIDED THAT SKYBIRD SHALL BE THE LYNCH TODAY.
VOTE: Skybird
Skybird has a topic with Steven Universe.

Not happening today.
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Post Post #2447 (isolation #100) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:59 pm

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In post 2331, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Cakey, You've been null to scumreading NC for the most part lately, but you always have something better to do.
More than that.
ALL of his actions don't match his words.
Take a look at the reads he pushes, and then take a look at the posts he makes to back his stances.
There's just a complete and total disconnect.

I've been busy, and shall continue to be busy, through this weekend, so I haven't had time to actually show the case.

But SirCakez's reads have that complete and total detachment from what he's actually said. The strength behind his pushes isn't organic. Some things are blown out of proportion, others are too small, and these can fluctuate even in the same post on the same player.
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #101) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:00 pm

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In post 2343, farside22 wrote:You refuse to acknowledge your bias.
We can't all be happy.
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Post Post #2450 (isolation #102) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:07 pm

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In post 2360, Almost50 wrote:Posts like these make me think SC is TOWN. I don't care if his reads are accurate or not. It's the fact that he has a DYNAMIC read list that is moving rapidly with every update. To me; scum (and scum!SC to be precise) have an almost static read list and try to move 2-3 names at most just to make it look like they're doing something.
Yeah, bullshit.

SirCakez's reads are changing, yes, but they've changed to fit the pushes of other players. His reads are being tailored to fit the reads of most players: there's no "stick-out" reads. There's no reads that are stubborn defiance of all logic. All of his reads are convenient. All of his reads are easy. Now, that in of itself wouldn't make him scum! Some players just get beaten to the punch, and would have given those reads regardless. But that's just the thing:

SirCakez
isn't
pushing.
There's no aggression from him.
There's no real attempt to do anything beyond surface-level "scumhunting", to look good.
He is putting in just enough to put on a show. And nothing more. No hard, firm defenses, no hard, firm attacks, this in spite of him
agreeing with me
on RR about that, when he is guilty of it himself just as much if not MORE than RR. He's not bringing up his own reasons. He's just reflecting those of others. He's not adding. He's just restating.

No attempt to solve the game.
No attempt to unify the town.
No attempt to take control of the game.

He's content to sit in the background and let the town just go at it, largely as we have been, because we keep on arguing with each other and getting distracted by the shiny while also lacing venom into our words about one another.
If he were actually town, he'd be doing the same thing I am: planting his foot down and trying to get it to stop.
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Post Post #2451 (isolation #103) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 pm

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In post 2446, farside22 wrote:Hey mastin, how about Shiro as scum.
I'd be lying if I said I had a townread there.
I'd also be lying if I said I had a scumread there.
I was not impressed by any aspect of the Shiro case. Nothing about it resonated with me, at all. It was just... "meh".
Given that feeling, if I had to assign an alignment to Shiro, it would be town. There's only gonna be so many scum in the game, and given the lack of a case I like, I'm gonna say town more than I'm not.
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Post Post #2464 (isolation #104) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:14 pm

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Okay, so...we appear to have a failure of words going on. Let me try substituting.
See, what we've got going on right now is this:

LOTS of this.

Now, this is a problem. It might seem harmless enough, but that will lead to this:


And, of course, from there, it doesn't take long before, suddenly, scum are in a position where this happens:


But no.
This is more akin to us. What we need to be.

It may seem similar to the first at first, but...that's our victory song. Rather than song admitting defeat.
What can we get from this?
Lynch SirCakez.
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Post Post #2595 (isolation #105) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:07 pm

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(Pro)noun.
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #106) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:15 pm

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In post 2549, Almost50 wrote:Why do I get the feeling you're underestimating SC?
Why are YOU?
I know he's NOT naive by any means. He simply would NOT do THAT!
Why, because changing his reads would look bad? If anything, his lack of naivety is exactly why he would.
P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*
And, pray tell, how well did those games go for you by letting him live?
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Post Post #2604 (isolation #107) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:17 pm

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In post 2563, Firebringer wrote:The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.
And, pray tell, whose fault may that be?
(Hint: I'm talking about scum. And have been pursuing scum. I am not voting Almost50.)
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #108) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:27 pm

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In post 2605, Almost50 wrote:I did beat him the last TWO times he was scum (Soccer Spirits and Gistou).
You were scum in Soccer Spirits (scum who had the upper hand the whole game, mind you), and in Gistou you weren't scumreading him by play, only by mechanics.
In post 2607, Almost50 wrote:TBH, both SC & farside have been VERY cooperative in there. FB has been active yes, but a thorn in our sides of late. And -of course- CD is no more active in the event PT than he is in the main thread.
Point.

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Post Post #2615 (isolation #109) » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:35 pm

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(In fact, Almost50, near as I can tell...in both Gistou and Soccer Spirits...you were
townreading
SirCakez, or in the case of Soccer Spirits at the VERY least pretending to. So, if you're trying to impress me with a track record of accurately reading him...you'll need better games than
that
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Post Post #2813 (isolation #110) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:08 pm

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In post 2619, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Mastin - I had an evisceration of you worked up in a draft, but I'm not going to post it.
[-post snipped, with other similar posts after excluded]
Right. You've got this long evisceration of me that you're not going to post.
And then you go and post a ton of crap eviscerating me anyway.

Suffice to say: if you actually had any content you deem relevant to me in any of your posts in that area, from either head for that matter: you're gonna have to bring it up for me again because I decided that level of character assassination wasn't worth my time.

Of course, there is one thing that I read which
is
technically correct:
I have not, in fact, made a case against SirCakez. (Just like I have not, in fact, made a case against you. Nor do I intend to, not today anyway.)
I wanted to Friday/Saturday/Sunday, but I was busy. I didn't make one yesterday, because I had something else I wanted to spend my day doing. (Drawing.) I can make the case now if anyone asks me to. Though honestly, I don't really think it's that necessary. SirCakez is just blatantly scum. I've been giving my thoughts on why he's scum here and there without backing it up, because anyone bothering to do an iso of him and look at his posts can see why I think what I do. And if not, they could have always asked, "I don't see this point, where do you see it?", or "I disagree with this point because of this", and I can explain where and why I made that point.

If it's asked of me, I will do it.
Otherwise, since we're lynching him without it, it's redundant and thus a waste of my time/effort.
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Post Post #2814 (isolation #111) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 2759, SirCakez wrote:Each Climax I can target someone and target them with one of these abilities: see who they targeted during any Climax, who they chose to ally with during any Episode, who targeted them during any Climax, or see what action they took during any Climax (can only do this if I know who they targeted during that specific Climax).
As well, if I'm allied everyone in the alliance gains bulletproof and the alliance will be able to chat at both Climax and Exposition. And like Almost said, if everyone in my alliance votes the same person we get an extra vote that can't hammer.
During Season Finales I can make a 5-person alliance and everyone in it will get the buffs.
My Episode Event is Full Disclosure, the tl;dr is I can pick an earlier Episode in the game (can't use this until after Episode 2, activated at Climax, must be neutral or positive stress) and everyone will be reverted back to their state that episode, i;e will be in the same alliance, can only use abilities they used that Episode, and players who have died since that Episode will be able to post and use actions that night. Lynch is disabled when I use it tho, but there will also be no night kills that night. And stress is put back to 0.
I believe this claim!

I am not unvoting!
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Post Post #2816 (isolation #112) » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:16 pm

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In post 2770, Creature wrote:Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.
UNVOTE:
And how many phases of SirCakez
not
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Post Post #3254 (isolation #113) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:24 am

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In post 3235, McMenno wrote:also, mastin didn't ally with me :/
Um, yes I did?
I allied with
someone
, and I submitted you as the name.
Due to an effect of my alliance, I don't get to know who I allied with (we don't get a topic to talk in), but check your PMs for the morning. If you were allied with me, you'd see the nature of the power I have, which is the one where I said that I have no intention of town ever needing to use. And you'd know why.

(Basically, the reason why I don't want to ally with anyone is because the alliance chat which is the whole fucking point of an alliance in the first place is disabled because of my role, making an alliance with me purely role-based, and my role in an alliance is not something I see as pro-town, ergo, me deciding to never ally.)

Also, since all the cool kids were doing it:
VOTE: Reasonably Rational.
I've got thoughts I typed up during the night to share if need be.
But among the obvious, Obi-wan Kenobi is town; Titus virtually never busses, and when she does, it's strategically as a last-resort; she was hardcore pushing SirCakez so either she hardcore bussed (lolno), or she's town.
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Post Post #3258 (isolation #114) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:27 am

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In post 3239, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Yume's flavor is confirmed and there is 99.9% chance they are town. Anyone else would say conftown.
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Post Post #3267 (isolation #115) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:35 am

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In post 3241, grapes wrote:Cooldog slot is scum as well.
Natch.
Cooldog, RR, and Klingoncelt are the names I'd support lynching today.

You'll note that Not Chara and Xkfyu aren't there. Xkfyu's still a scumread, but there's a chance they're town doing something and if so, I want him left alone for a while (we can always lynch him later if I'm wrong).
Not Chara isn't in the list because there's conflicting information: Not Chara doesn't quite fit the pattern, the profile, for scum that I have built. Its early posting had some elements which did, and some of its later posting did as well, but there are huge segments which diverge from what I'd expect, and I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

We can lynch Not Chara at a later point in time, if we still believe it to be scum. I'm still alive, after all, and so are all the people who support that lynch. (Which, you know, is reason
not
to do it right now. If you start to get afraid that it is scum and the supporters are being killed off, sure, lynch, but for now, Not Chara can live.)

Basically, what the plan for today should be is to lynch players that are likely scum no matter what, rather than players who may or may not be scum which further days can give us more info on.

We don't need to have the whole scumteam pinned down. In fact, doing so might be detrimental to our overall town cohesion. We just need 2-3 players we agree on to be scum, and to lynch one of them, just like yesterday. It worked then, it will work today.
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Post Post #3279 (isolation #116) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:40 am

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In post 3256, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.
That can be done while still voting.

And, speaking on that topic: Yume and I's talk is not day-only, so I got time to write out quite a few words on the subject myself. They'll probably need some amount of paraphrasing, but I fully intend to post them. (I covered only about a third of the playerlist in total.)

Also, to be explicit: I am 100% POSITIVE I am in an alliance
right now
. V confirmed that my power is in effect, thus, my alliance request was in fact successful. It's just I don't know with whom I am allied.
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Post Post #3282 (isolation #117) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:43 am

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In post 3260, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:I get the feeling you'll see later why I'm still minutely skeptical of you.
Don't be. Painted pictures rarely tell alignments. They do, however, help confirm facts.
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Post Post #3290 (isolation #118) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:51 am

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In post 3263, farside22 wrote:Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
We DID tell you so! :P
I knew what I was talking about, there.
You made some good points about some players, you made some not-so-good points about other players (namely, SirCakez), same goes for Obi-wan Kenobi. You're imperfect, we're imperfect, we form a better unit as a whole when listening to the feedback of the others to get a better picture of the game.

I, for instance, am listening to you on Not Chara being town (which I'm still not quite convinced is the best of ideas, so I'm actually trusting you a bit there), and because I'm listening to you on Not Chara, I'm one scum short of what a scumteam should be. Which means your feedback there is actually important! There are some players I'll flat-out tell you "no" to, that they are town (namely, players like Almost50 and Titus), there are others I think are town but which I could be convinced otherwise, and yet more that I desperately want a stronger read on! So, it's not like I'm running a dictatorship, here. I actually
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Post Post #3297 (isolation #119) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:53 am

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In post 3268, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Ok, can you look at DGB in particular?
When people stop posting up a storm and give me a chance to actually look at my notes from last night, I can give you more, but DGB was one of the players I covered last night. Overall impression: more likely than not, town, but not absolute for a few reasons.
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Post Post #3308 (isolation #120) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:58 am

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In post 3285, Reasonably Rational wrote:@mastin: you do realize that nobody died last night, yes?
No, Firebringer is dead.
He was killed.

I'd rather not explain how I know this right now.
I just know he was.
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Post Post #3381 (isolation #121) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:23 pm

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Last night notes:

(God, paraphrasing this took forever.) So basically, I started last night noting the amount of painful TvT in the 110-125 posting range.

Almost50
is someone I got a good look at in Gistou: he likes to
act
crazy, but behind the crazy, he thinks things through. He might get a bit moonlogicky (right in Titus's ballpark), also sharing Titus's stubbornness (in fact, a lot of what I say about Titus below applies equally to him; their game approach is VERY similar in nature whether they realize it or not), but he's not capable of faking the firm fight he showed this game.

As scum, Almost50 is a bit "cheeky". He's a passive, "why are you doing this" type person as scum. This in stark contrast to his towngame, an active "I see you doing this, and here's what I think about that". Night/day difference. I started out a little unsure, but I felt better the moment I saw hints that Almost50 was planning a gambit the way he did in Gistou. I grew concerned when he didn't follow through in the expected manner, but then, the joy ride happened, and as the day progressed, his posting got stronger and stronger, which again, matches my profile on him from Gistou, in contrast to Soccer Spirits.

As scum, Almost50 starts out strong, in the open, establishing his presence, and then slowly sinks into the background where he safely mucks about and does what he pleases, because nobody's taking a look at him: he made them think he was town, and then he stayed just long enough in the background where they never bothered to reassess the idea.

But as town, it's the other way around: Almost50 is of the mindset that the longer he lives as town, the more able he is to fuck the scum over. So he aims to be chaotic, confusing, even a bit scummy, starting off weak, when he's not so sure in his footing. He plans, he has ideas, but doesn't quite know what will work yet, what gambit to pull, what traps to lay. He'll still gamble for the hope of that later payoff, but he doesn't need it; as the game progresses, he gets stronger pushes, more energy, more focus, and yes, more paranoid, more stubborn, and more involved. So he's town.

I did want to tell Almost50 this though: I'm BETTER than Ranger. However good you think she is, I guarantee you I'm better. I may not be a scumhunting goddess, I may not be the best scumhunter on the site, but I
am
among their ranks, for a couple of simple reasons.
I know what I'm talking about when I talk about players.

Psychologically profiling them is just what I
do
. Furthermore, my intimate game history with most of them means I'm not creating these out of thin air (though I'm competent at doing just that!); I have backing behind them. So given that, I know what players' actions are null and what actions are alignment-indicative, more often than I don't. It's not perfect, but it's a damn-good system.

I'm still alive, so either scum lack a strongman, were unable to use it, or chose deliberately to let me live. The last (barring proof otherwise) is what I generally assume, so that means I'm not the person scum most want gone. But I guarantee you: I'm gonna die early, not only because I'm conftown, but also because I am good at cutting through the bullshit, finding scum, and unifying the town. So you better believe it.

farside22
I've seen as town and scum. And to be frank: she's never the levels of insufferable she showed D1 this game when she's scum. (I don't have a better way of wording that, sorry. Just, let me try and explain, it's not meant as an insult.) I've seen her scumgame, and in her scumgame, she's more of a lurkfest, with a calculated play in her moves. But here, she's shown a level of stubbornness that I've never seen from her as scum. It's showing that she's thinking things through on a "me" scale, rather than a "grander picture" scale. The "me" scale is something I associate more with town.

Obi-wan Kenobi
is town. Their iso is 400+ posts long, so if you want me to link to reasons why: fuck no, go do it yourself. My Titus track record's not perfect, and beeboy's absence was a concern. But I know Titus's manipulation. When scum, she does play peacekeeper as she has done this game...but she does so in a detached manner. When scum, she lacks passion, she lacks drive. Her posts become distant, calculated, and precise. That's utterly absent this game. Here, she's got the passion, drive, frustration, energy, and stubborn willpower of a town Titus.

She may use moonlogic just as much if not moreso as scum than town, with that same stubbornness, but when stubborn moonlogicking as scum, her reads make no sense and her peacemaking skills are what carry her through, and that is most definitely NOT what I'm seeing from her. Speaking of peacekeeping, there's an inherent difference between town and scum peacekeeping:
A scum peacekeeper tries to break up fights which don't need to be broken up, for cheap towncred. They'll use this to direct the lynch indirectly into an area where it furthers townVtown fights, only ones where they'll instead be on the sidelines. This, Titus has not done.

A town peacekeeper is trying to break up ANY fight they don't see as healthy, and is doing so to direct the lynch onto scum, VERY forcefully. Whereas the scum peacekeeper is passive, "hey maybe you two should see each other as town and see what happens", the town peacekeeper is more active, "shut up. You're wrong. They're wrong. You're both town. See this? This is why. Want scum? Look here instead." They're not in it for personal gain, and their attempts to break the fights aren't trivial. This difference, Titus has shown.

As I already explained, Titus, as scum, RELIGIOUSLY tries to protect her scumbuddies. She's like the queen of not bussing. Now, you might think, "she knows this, she can break it". That's true! One push on a scumbuddy (SirCakez) does not a clear make. But let me ask you this: what players are Titus protecting? I don't see any. Not one. Titus, as scum, is gonna have four scumbuddies. Even if she busses one, she should be trying to protect the other three, and that is completely and totally, utterly, absent from her iso altogether. An extension of this? Titus, as scum, tries to buddy up to players, and is one of the strongest white knighters in all of mafiascum. Here, there's barely any defense at all; it's nearly all pure offense.
Another pointer: Titus as scum will try to dismantle the town leadership if it's going strong without her in it through any means: discrediting, mud-slinging, etc. You can argue her arguments with, say, farside were doing this...but I'll explain why I don't think this is the case later.

Titus has been fighting all-out. She doesn't need to as scum. There were plenty of town players eating at each others' throats. For instance, (
this bit's for you, Almost50!
) if she were scum and RR were town, our fight would be advantageous to her, yet she tried to shut it down. She got frustrated that I wasn't backing down. Simple, basic tonality reading could tell you that. If you look at her games, it's night/day. A great example as town is Inorganic Chemistry. This is her posting from that game to a T. She's been utterly convinced she HAS something, and she HAS! She's shown frustration when others haven't seen it, and she's pursued things
even when detrimental to her
.

No backing out. Titus is smart: when she needs to, she knows when it's best to back away. She can miscalculate and get forced into a corner, but generally, she knows when to abandon ship. I've not seen that this game. There's no indication she's slowing down. No indication she intends to stop. Her momentum keeps going. Titus's aggression when scum is defensive, almost in an omgusy way. Titus as scum attacks to defend, focusing on those strategic pushes, relying on her reputation to hide her bad pushes.

Yet here...her fights with the other big players aren't to usurp the throne. She's not trying to control the game. She's trying to lynch scum, and has successfully done so once already. There's no strategic pushing here; her pushes are largely chaotic. Maybe her reasoning hasn't been the best, but the pushes themselves have not sucked, just been explained poorly. And that's the vital difference:
Town Titus is a good scumhunter with poor explanation skills;
Scum Titus is a smooth talker who makes bad reads to further her agenda.
This game's the former.
So...Overall, I've seen a lot of good signs from them.


Skybird
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seriously fucking pissed
at V for that sort of shit. Also helping is her permanent double-vote. I believe that sort of a role is one more likely to be town than scum off of some mental setup spec I've done.

I know! I'm one of the largest advocates of not clearing off of role-related reasons. That's one of the reasons Skybird's not a much stronger townread than this. But she IS a townread off of game content too.
For a start: I don't see scum in it anywhere.

Not in a "lol, POE" way. This is playing numbers using "innocent until proven guilty": there's more town than scum. And I don't see signs of scum. There aren't as many town indicators as I'd prefer, but I do have some. , , , and are all posts I like, in the "I feel like these posts would be different if Skybird were scum" kind of way. and the latter half of also fit. While there's no scumhunting, her posts come across as "cheery", having fun, enjoying herself. (Refer to Foxbird below for how I view that.) shows potential scumhunting in an incredibly natural, organic way. 's friendly fluff, yet she's ready to acknowledge the serious in , with as another decent one.

It doesn't scream town, but it's a townread alright. I covered only a fraction of her iso; randomly sampling, I can point to other examples such as , , , and . Literally picked those at random by scrolling to a point in her iso and just looking at a post. Could do it for the whole thing, but the point's been made.
I just don't see any warning signs indicating scum.

DrippingGoofball
is a mixed bag. Her posting here's near-identical to Gistou, but that can be said of every recent game of hers. Some is abysmal, other parts are the insightful DGB I remember fondly. Her traitor claim is reminiscent of a game where she actually WAS a traitor, a concern if I'm fully honest, but I'm skeptical she'd actually be one this game. And since I don't think she's gonna be groupscum pulling a stunt like that, overall if I had to assign her an alignment, it'd be town.

Foxbird
's a blind spot in my meta. As far as I know, I have no experience with her. Furthermore, she's hard to get a grip on psychologically. I'm picking up mixed signals. Not helping things is how V/LA she was during key parts of the day; there's just too little data for me to be sure. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, off of what we did get, I got a weak townread.

I liked the tone of : it showed an eagerness for the game as well as sharp insight, which felt tongue-in-cheek: overall, replaxed, at ease, at home. Not impossible from scum (especially if that's her preferred alignment), but quite difficult especially from a newer player. This was furthered in //. The fluff actually makes me like Foxbird more than content would, because Foxbird was having fun, casually relaxing during a time where people couldn't do anything important. Of course, I'd have preferred her to have been doing content things, since content is easier to read. And we don't get much once the game proper began: is about all we get, though that being said...I quite liked that post. All those reads look good, like they're original and not made for appeasement. An, "as I see the world", type deal, which I associate more with town than scum.

You also get small things like asking about Xkfyu and Almost50, not to mention, ally stuff, which makes me feel somewhat-good about her, soooo...
Overall impression: townlean, but not strong town. Foxbird did say alliances make it easier, so I'm quite interested in hearing from her allies in what she's said in there.

I skipped
Shiro
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have
seen some potential scum indicators here and there, it's just they're very weak and counterbalanced by an equal amount of town ones. Without role-based reasons, I'm not lynching Shiro any time soon, but if we power through my lynchpool and Shiro's still uncleared: very open to the idea.


I'm holding my case against
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My case against
Klingoncelt
I didn't put much effort into, but it can be summed up as such: Klingoncelt, like Cerb, is a liar.
She claims she's a D3 player, that she can't start playing for real until then. That prior to then, she can't play effectively.

But, bluntly: I call bullshit.
Now, I can't tell you if it's a lie she only tells as scum, or if she actually sincerely believes it and is just lying to herself.
But all the same, regardless of which, it is in fact exactly that: a lie.

Klingoncelt as town is capable of doing stuff, even early-on. I've seen it before. It might not necessarily be the best, usually some basic-level stuff. And, yes, her timezone means that the stuff she gives is usually later than what most give, with her constantly catching up. But she's still DOING STUFF.
And here, she...hasn't.

She's posted plenty!
But her posting's done literally nothing. At all.

Empty words have been thrown around. She'll give random things. She's rather defensive in what she'll share. But on the offense, there's nothing of substance. She's shown a high level of play that is entirely revolved around herself. Not the "me" type (see farside above) which is town, the "I care about nobody except myself", survivoresque type. Most of her content is in things regarding directly to her. The few instances which aren't are scattered throughout her iso and amount to nothing coherent. Things she says, she then does nothing about. No belief, no conviction, no push, no drive at all. Sitting around, actively lurking, and making no effort to further the gamestate. She's skating by.

In this case, when I isoed her, it's not that I couldn't give examples.
It's that I couldn't give an example of where it WASN'T. Seriously, iso her, see for yourself.

was content meant to look helpful doing nothing. is the first instance of anything which is anything, and yet it still amounts to nothing in the long-run. Just a vote on grapes for a bad reason, using a tone that sounded empty, flat, hollow, and artificial when asking to be sheeped. (which she only gave after she was pressured, mind you) is an insult to readslists everywhere because it's nothing of the sort. Then we get things like the ridiculous , where Klingoncelt calls the attacks by Titus (Titus, who is using
the same logic
I
am
) to be harassment when they quite clearly aren't:
They're simply Titus sharing my opinion on Klingoncelt, that she is better than this as town. If you're generous, you can count as content...if you consider discrediting Titus as content. (Hey, not all content is good!) is another empty push. She's not doing anything to seriously push DGB.

Overall, there's a huge fucking difference between "I hit my stride on D3", a believable, reasonable stance to hold...
...And, "I do literally fuckall of nothing untill D3", what Klingoncelt is
claiming
she does as town. She's doing it, alright, but again: bullshit. The former is the actual truth.


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Reasonably Rational
, but I did point out how was pure scumposting, regardless of SirCakez's alignment: there's no real reason for him to unvote SirCakez there as town off of what's going on. It's just a textbook scum-motivated unvote. The faked confusion, faked frustration, all of it just says "not town", not even from Cerb.
On the same note, Titus's raised a valid point against RR. She didn't attach an alignment indicator to it. But I have.

I also typed up an explanation for why Firebringer is town, but it's not really relevant anymore, since his death is self-evident proof of that fact.
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #122) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:40 pm

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In post 3324, grapes wrote:i bet cakes scumread all his buddies
Shiro/Foxbird/
CoolDog
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Klingon
| McMenno, Obi,
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Xkfyu


I'd say it's distinctly possible, though it wouldn't surprise me to see one scumbuddy higher.
Looking at his nulls, I don't see any name that--at any time in the near-future--I'd take a serious look at.
Similar for nulltown, except maybe Not Chara.
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Post Post #3401 (isolation #123) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:44 pm

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In post 3327, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Titus: I have no idea. Assuming mastin is implying some knowledge that fbs death was not due to the scum kill, it's possible they went after one of the conftown/probtown leaders, yourself, Yume, or mastin, and ran into protection.
It's interesting you say this.
I recall mentioning I knew Firebringer was dead.

I don't recall mentioning it's because a source outside of the scum's nightkill caused it.

I'll confirm this much: Firebringer's lack of a flip is not a scum ability.
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Post Post #3404 (isolation #124) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:48 pm

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In post 3339, grapes wrote:
In post 3337, farside22 wrote:Also if anyone is curious Cooldog never said anything in the joy ride ot.
Scum.
Myep.
If we don't lynch Reasonably Rational today.
And we don't lynch Klingoncelt today.
It's gonna be Cooldog, 100%.
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Post Post #3423 (isolation #125) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 3388, farside22 wrote:Do you know snarky's meta? I tried to talk with fire about this because he modded a game with snarky scum and I pointed out his start here was strikely similar to here.
Not well enough. I know he's a low-content, borderline-VI poster alignment-regardless. I do have methods of reading players like him, and I'm probably one of the better players at doing just that, it's just that it's far from an exact science. There's lots of guesswork involved. SnarkySnowman's a solid null right now. Could be town, could be scum. What I've seen has me guessing at town, but I wouldn't know for sure until later. I'm good, but not perfect.
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Post Post #3425 (isolation #126) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:15 pm

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In post 3393, McMenno wrote:hey lookie, most of rr's recent posts have been speculating about things that he shouldn't know as town
but what do they actually do
add nothing to the game and be scummy
hooray!
Basically, yeah!

Reason we don't have any wagon existing other than theirs.
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Post Post #3437 (isolation #127) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:26 pm

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In post 3407, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?
It's possible.
I'm frankly expecting about 2-3 sources of confirmed town (I'm one of them, via my ability), about 4 investigations, and about an equal number of protectives, with the rest of the abilities in this game filling up the gaps to make no player vanilla be various miscellaneous effects that either augment, interfere, or have no interaction whatsoever with the abilities above.

And, I'm expecting these (with the exception of the confirmed town) to be spread across in an absolutely random pattern between town and scum.
Well, I say "absolutely random", but what I more mean by that is "not easily setup specced into town/scum clearly by role alone". There's certain things I expect from town (for instance, what I know of Skybird makes me think her role is something town is more likely to have). There's certain things I expect from scum. (SirCakez was a great example of that; that was a role which by itself you wouldn't be able to guess was scum but which I thought scum would be more likely to have.) There's certain things I expect both to have, and there's certain things I hold no expectations for at all.

So given those factors: it wouldn't surprise me to see more protectives in the game, nor would it surprise me to learn we have none other than the claimed; we're in the right zone for both.

This is helped by my psychological profiling skills not applying to just players; I like to think that my hundreds of games of experience have given me a fair idea of how moderators think about their games, and I've been in/spectated enough V games to have a decent idea of how he goes about creating things. (Notably, he was an inspiration to me in my design of Gistou; I made that game partially trying to imitate his way of doing things.)

I may not get things perfect, but again, I like to think I do have a decent idea of what is, and isn't going on in the game.
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Post Post #3439 (isolation #128) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:29 pm

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In post 3416, Reasonably Rational wrote:Because scum distance from other scum who are about to die.
Gee, I wonder what I've been calling your posts in regards to SirCakez?
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Post Post #3458 (isolation #129) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:41 pm

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In post 3432, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Of course, RR is acting exactly like I did in SU...
It's quite ironic, aint it?

I also noted the similarity between this game and SC's game; nothing they've done since then has changed my opinion on this. They're posting just like they did then. In that game, they even had a scumbuddy who made themselves obvscum! This is their iso from there. 358, 361, 387, 391, 407, and 632 are the extent of their interaction with them, but see the progression there. Should look pretty familiar to you. (Also of note is the Maxous nightkill, btw.)
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Post Post #3463 (isolation #130) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:45 pm

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In post 3434, Reasonably Rational wrote:Only scum want this day to end fast.
Well, being fully honest: it would in fact be better for the day to be longer.
But to be blunt: I don't care.
We could end this day literally right now, or a week from now, wouldn't make much of a difference to me.

I suspect those already on the wagon share a similar mentality.

And here's what I have to say about your 'case' on farside: it is one of the most desperate, reachy things I have ever read. It is something which I simply don't see you producing if you're town. You're maybe a little less logical than Cerb, this is true. But you're not this shitty in making a point. The idea that farside scumslipped is an absolute, utter, complete and total JOKE, and you'd know it if you were actually town.
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Post Post #3472 (isolation #131) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:49 pm

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In post 3436, Almost50 wrote:I think I'll just shut up and just sheep you and Mastina. Just tell me where to vote and I'll do it.
If you do that I'll lynch you.
Eventually, I want you to vote Reasonably Rational.
I don't, however, want you to be a blind sheep. You do that, I lynch you because that's what you'd do as scum.
You can sheep me FOR NOW. You can sheep me while you have nothing better. But I'm expecting you to reassess. I'm expecting you to reevaluate. I'm expecting you to reconsider, reanalyze, and form some new thoughts. If you do that and disagree with me, so be it. If you do that and agree with me, no problem. But if you don't do it at all, you die because I need you to show your thoughts.
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Post Post #3481 (isolation #132) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:00 pm

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In post 3445, Reasonably Rational wrote:SC doesn't get lynched yesterday without our posting against him and our vote making things seem inevitable.
The idea of you claiming credit for this, and of Drixx trying to say I don't deserve credit for it, is utterly laughable.

SirCakez was obviously scum. You know why I didn't make a case against him? Because I didn't need to. It was self-evident. You know why the reasons I gave came so late? Because they didn't need to come earlier. And I put the momentum there. I gathered players there, not only as a compromise, but also as a push on a player who was guaranteed to be scum rather than possibly scum.

I also made sure it was not a vanity wagon. I kept people there, and made sure the players on other wagons would hop off, by discouraging them from hunting the shinies. I told them, "don't go there". And then they listened. And through their combined efforts, more and more pressure built up on SirCakez. There was shouting. There was disagreement. There was heat, as people asked, "god I wish mastina was here to cool things down". But they were coalescing onto SirCakez, in part because it was what I wanted, what I had set things up for, and also in part because it was clear.

I also kept people from unvoting him. When SirCakez was being defended by Almost50, I pointed to Varsoon's post about scum's claims being just as good if not better than town's actual claims. When he eventually did fullclaim, I kept my vote on him and restated this, continuing to push it again, because it was no less true.

Your case wasn't even worth reading. In fact, I didn't read it. Not a word. Didn't care to. It was superfluous and redundant.
It was an act. A distancing performance: something to look good, but which accomplished nothing which wasn't already happening. Nobody needed a PBP on him. Nobody needed a thorough, meticulous analysis of him. Nobody needed those things to lynch him, just like nobody needs those things to lynch you. All they need is to look and see the same basic things I do: the passive presence, the active lurking, the lack of organic shifts in reads (in particular, making points about a player that should significantly change a read on them, but then in a readslist, having that player only shift by one tier if that), the just general scum-oriented presence and reliance on game mechanics to save you rather than on play-based reasons.
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Post Post #3487 (isolation #133) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:07 pm

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In post 3448, Reasonably Rational wrote:So your theory is that we first put in a bunch of effort to make a case and convince people to lynch SC, but then we wanted to distance from that? What the hell?
No, it's pretty obvious that what you did was a distancing act the whole time: I call bullshit on your case being "a bunch of effort" with "effort to convince". It was a case, alright. But was it actually useful? No. It was nothing. Your vote wasn't at a pivotal time as you claim: it was at a time where it was already inevitable SirCakez was going to be the lynch. It didn't take a genius to tell that much. I knew it long before then that he was going to be lynched, and by your own claims, you're no morons, now, are you? You're smart enough to have seen it too and to have abandoned any effort to save him when it became clear he couldn't be saved.

On that note, I don't particularly think this to be a strong point, but I'd like to point out all the same: people were unvoting SirCakez after he claimed, so your unvote on him was at a time where unvoting him could have swung momentum
off
of his lynch. It didn't; it was a bit late (momentum was already kicking back up) and there wasn't any viable counterwagon going on at the time, but if there had been, then half the wagon on SirCakez disappearing including some notable strong players would have been enough to cause said counterwagon to gain the lead.
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Post Post #3488 (isolation #134) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:12 pm

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In post 3450, grapes wrote:The question is why did you bother making a case on obvscum?
grapes said succinctly what I said not so much. Butyeah, this is the heart of it.

There was no point to the SirCakez case.

This is like a town of Drawn On Arrival caliber (I miss that "Best Performance: Town" scummy, but oh well, we still have Kodac to nominate for I suppose): we all just...
got it
when it came to SirCakez.
We didn't need reasons.
We didn't need logic.
We didn't need a case.

We all saw it, individually, and as a whole, after a few distractions here and there largely on shinies (with some lengthy arguments between strong town voices), we lynched him.
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Post Post #3494 (isolation #135) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:17 pm

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In post 3464, Reasonably Rational wrote:Mastin. One word: SMITE.
Drixx, I really don't get how you can be so smart in some ways but utterly incompetent in others, and this is a comment which applies regardless of your alignment this game in this case.

If there's one thing you should've learned about me at this point...

...It's that trying to make me feel shitty about my past game failures doesn't work, so I really don't know why you bother to try. You're not going to convince any other players by mentioning them, and you're not going to make me feel bad by doing that, so I really don't get why you do this, regardless of what your alignment is.

Now, I just so
happen
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Post Post #3496 (isolation #136) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:19 pm

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In post 3466, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Mastina, I'm actually scumreading both Farside AND RR right now based off this interaction.
You're wrong on farside. Trust me.
There aren't many reads I won't budge on.

Farside being town is one of them.

I'd be more open to the idea of RR being town than I'd be to farside being scum. I think I made this exact comment on D1. Held true then, still holds true now.
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Post Post #3500 (isolation #137) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:30 pm

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In post 3476, grapes wrote:mastin you wanna talk about chara?
That's the only read in the game that doesn't feel easy at this point.
It not being an easy read is exactly why I don't want to talk about Not Chara. :P

I'm not sure.
On the one hand: all the people who pushed Not Chara felt town. There was a point where there was a substantial wagon on it, and I felt like every name on it was town, so if it was also town the question would be where the scum were? (Aside from maybe RR who cheerleaded the wagon from the side and SirCakez who joined briefly.)
There's also a lot of early posting which felt "too serious": Not Chara, in contrast to players like Skybird, didn't look like it was having fun during the pregame so much, and was sticking out as a result. Plus, Not Chara's peacekeeping attempts in the lategame are hard to quantify, with some aspects looking like passive scum peacekeeping.

But on the other hand: a lot of the points in defense of Not Chara felt good, and I like the people defending Not Chara too (aside from some lategame from SirCakez, sort-of defending it). In particular, Not Chara made some incredibly-sincere-sounding posts in its midgame, and when the defenders pointed these out, I agreed with them, that tonality-wise, Not Chara was no longer reading as scum. It was at this point that I got a bad gut feeling about pushing there, that Not Chara might be the lynch actual scum players (like SirCakez and RR) wanted us to go onto, to help
eviscerate
town cohesion. As in, it felt like the plan was, "let the town lynch Not Chara. Enter into the middle after the ensuing chaos and take control", and that's why I immediately abandoned the push on it. Plus, its posting has gotten better as the game has progressed.

So, I really don't know at this stage. I really want more flips, more info, before I can tell anything.
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Post Post #3504 (isolation #138) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:34 pm

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In post 3492, Reasonably Rational wrote:@mastin: Is the above fake or really how I feel about the situation?
Mostly real.

You have reason to be frustrated regardless of alignment.

It just so happens that, because of that, it's also not alignment indicative.
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Post Post #3544 (isolation #139) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:29 pm

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In post 3518, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:@Mastina, My biggest issue with Drixx is tonally he reads like really town here.
Not to me.
I see two tones Drixx is presenting:
Tones for things unrelated to the game, and tones for things related to the game.
The tones for the things unrelated to the game are by their very nature, unrelated to the game. Null.
The tone for things that are related to the game come across as scum.

I mean, it's pretty much a given that were I somehow wrong I'd inherently be giving my consent to be placed in the hall of shame that is RR's sig.
But I don't see anything from them that is indicative of town.
In post 3519, Reasonably Rational wrote:The only one's who have deigned to speak with us aren't even considering reevaluating, to the point where we tell them about an ability we have and they assume we're lying, rather than considering if that information is possibly true and what it would mean.
Not so! 'Least, not on my end. I fully believe every piece of role-related information you've given.

But the idea that the information means anything is false.
It's information.
But it's also meaningless information.

And that's all the content I've seen from your slot.

You haven't given anything which has been actually meaningful to the game.

And that's why you're being lynched.
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Post Post #3545 (isolation #140) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:41 pm

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In post 3521, Reasonably Rational wrote:[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.
And the thing is.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.

It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.

Not replace it.

What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.

So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.
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Post Post #3548 (isolation #141) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:57 pm

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In post 3530, Reasonably Rational wrote:Mastin bashing my play implicitly all game is just sort of the straw that broke the camel's back.
Oh I don't have anything against your play at all.

Contrary to your apparent perception, this is no vendetta. I'm not bashing your play. I hold it in the highest regard.

I just so happen to think this is your scum game.

You bring up all my failures, but I learn from them: I evolve, try to get better. So bringing them up doesn't invoke feelings of doubt from me. They invoke feelings that you look desperate because you wouldn't feel the need to bring up those failures otherwise. That might not be true, might not be how you see it. But that's what they look like, and one thing has always been consistent in MY play: I will always tell things as I see them, and that just so happens to be how I see it.

I think you're scum.
It's not that complex. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just a simple read, no different from any number of hundreds of previous reads of mine.
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Post Post #3550 (isolation #142) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:05 pm

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In post 3534, Not Chara wrote:there was someone in this game who said that scum specialize in looking town in private topics they have with town. who was it that said that?
That would be me.

Coincidentally, I do not agree with DGB's townread on Klingoncelt!
In post 3542, Klingoncelt wrote:You don't want me lynched. You know I'm Town.
You keep saying that, and yet, no, I really, really don't.
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Post Post #3552 (isolation #143) » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:08 pm

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In post 3549, Klingoncelt wrote:You forgot to mention that you were given proof that I'm Town.
Except, no I wasn't.
And I'm under the impression alignment information
can't
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You're claiming to the contrary.
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Post Post #3815 (isolation #144) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:43 pm

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In post 3553, Reasonably Rational wrote:And what would your have said had I NOT unvoted?
That would depend on what you said on the matter.
If you said nothing at all about it, I probably wouldn't have said anything either. I'd think your vote was bussing, but I think that anyway even with the unvote, so. No real difference there.
If you tried to claim you keeping your vote on meant you were town, I'd call bullshit.
If you claimed that leaving your vote on was something you regret, then I'd have reason to doubt my scumread on you.

This being said
, while I still think you're scum, and I recognize how stupid it is for me to kill the momentum on the wagon I basically have hand-crafted since D1 (especially when you combine those two together!), I'm actually considering letting you live today. There's multiple reasons for this combined together, so for now at least:

VOTE: Cooldog.
My vote can easily come back if I later change my mind about this.
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Post Post #3820 (isolation #145) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:50 pm

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In post 3571, Klingoncelt wrote:Information was sent about my RolePM, including that it wasn't a fakeclaim. I have confirmation that you got the information.
Well here's news for you:
I didn't.

I got two PMs today.
One was confirming that I was in an alliance.
A second was V's standard daystart PM.

I also call bullshit about you being able to give info that is alignment-confirming. Because
I
have an ability that sounds an awful lot like yours, and I can't do that. You claim to be a miller, like me. And you claim to have the ability to send information, like me. But you are claiming that your ability can send information that confirms your alignment, which Varsoon went into explicit detail about how impossible it'd be for ME to do that.

So essentially: you're claiming to be a carbon copy of my role (save my episode ability), except stronger.
V having two millers, I'd believe. Giving those millers literally identical abilities except having one be stronger than the other, not so much. So, you've got some explaining to do. I received no information, and I'm under the distinct impression thanks to MY role that you can't do what you're claiming to.
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Post Post #3825 (isolation #146) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:57 pm

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In post 3596, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.
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Post Post #3837 (isolation #147) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:10 pm

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In post 3699, grapes wrote:I disagree that RR pushed cakes at all.
^
(But, also not thinking they're the best lynch today.)
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Post Post #3840 (isolation #148) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 3703, Reasonably Rational wrote:EbWoP: "Scum game" = "game". No idea why I typed scum in there.
The pile-on of people who will now claim that it was a slip in 3... 2 ... 1 ...
It
would
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Post Post #3842 (isolation #149) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:19 pm

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In post 3710, Varsoon wrote:
The highest priority is a priority 0 Event, followed by 1, then 2, then 3, etc.
If a priority 1 and 2 event are triggered at the same time, only the priority 1 event resolves.
This does raise a concern of mine.

My power was a priority 0.
Almost50's was a priority 2.
I also submitted my ability in the prequel phase.
By this logic, shouldn't my ability have resolved first, rendering Almost50 unable to trigger his?

Because that'd imply that FIRST, my event lowered stress by two...AND THEN, some event raised stress by two...where Almost50's power then triggered...with a THIRD event lowering it down by two again.

Varsoon, can you confirm no mod error in event triggers has occurred?

Hey, Cerb, I'm letting you live, you can tell me if there's a flaw in the above concern, this sort of mechanics thing is your field. :P
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Post Post #3846 (isolation #150) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:29 pm

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In post 3777, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:My role suggests a NC//Farside/myself alliance would be best strategically.
By day play, allying with Yume is superior. The Suikoden repeat potential there is awesome.
Unfortunately, both seem equally viable to me.
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Post Post #3849 (isolation #151) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:34 pm

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In post 3816, grapes wrote:mastin you're voting an empty slot
And?

Scum slots are scum slots.
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Post Post #3860 (isolation #152) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:43 pm

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In post 3828, farside22 wrote:I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
I don't put much stock in it.
But here's where I'm at.
OWK, Almost50, you, Yume, grapes, Killthestory, McMenno, and Creature, I'm willing to bet the game on being town.
Kraskaesque, TheWayItEnds, and Skybird, I have strong townreads on.
TheFuzzylogic is a weak townread.

That leaves Klingoncelt (scumread), Twin Wings (lean town), Xkfyu (waiting to divulge), Shiro, DGB, Cooldog (scumread), RR (scumread), Not Chara (lean town), SnarkySnowman, and randomidget.

There is apparently a traitor in the game, rendering interactive tells less useful than they should be. If both my lean towns are correct, there should be at least one scum in Shiro/DGB/SnarkySnowman/randomidget. If any of my scumreads are wrong, that jumps to two.
Said scum may or may not be groupscum, but would be scum all the same.
So I am
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Post Post #3861 (isolation #153) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:45 pm

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In post 3833, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Should we be lynching Grandma then?
Certainly wouldn't be opposed; I laid out my reasons why.
But, she does get one chance to fullclaim and explain herself.
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Post Post #3897 (isolation #154) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:59 pm

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In post 3886, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Your prior slot was lurky and scummy.
Lurky, yes.
Scummy?
What game were you reading 'cause it sure wasn't this one.

Fuzzy's in my town list for good reason.
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Post Post #3907 (isolation #155) » Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:47 pm

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In post 3898, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Mastin why are we voting on an empty slot.....
The slot most likely to be scum (which a lynch can go through on) is the slot most likely to be scum (which a lynch can go through on). Doesn't matter that it happens to be empty now. Scum's still scum.
Read it.
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Post Post #4104 (isolation #156) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:59 pm

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In post 3911, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Do you have questions? Comments? Or are you going to leave me hanging?
While I understand where you're coming from on your Seraphim case.
These are things I noticed yesterday as they happened and did not comment on because I simply didn't feel they were relevant.

There are going to be scum players who act certain ways about scumbuddies.
But there are also going to be town players showing a very similar profile.

I'd know, I quite literally wrote the book (well, article) on how it's done effectively. Your profile is
close
to accurate. Close, but not quite. I simply don't think Seraphim would make the move he did as scum, and there's a simple reason why: strength in the push.

Rather, lack of it.

If he were scum and had a choice between "SirCakez or McMenno", and he decided to choose McMenno...why'd he do so with such weakness? Why was it just a weak hop-on, with no push, no effort, just simply going onto him? That's not the scum way to go about counterwagoning when your scumbuddy's in danger. It sticks out like a sore thumb, and it is precisely
because
it sticks out like a sore thumb that I don't assign it a scum alignment,
especially
not from a player of Seraphim's generation.
It's true, Seraphim comes from an era of low-posting, of more "logical" play, of not bussing. But if you assign him any level of basic intelligence (which I do), then you're left with a player who would never make that move as scum precisely because of these reasons.

Seraphim's not an idiot. If he made the move, he made it fully knowing the consequences. In the modern meta, a player might be able to get away with doing it because people like me would wifom it into a town move...but Seraphim is a relic. He doesn't use the modern meta. So he comes from an era of play where nobody would be allowed to get away with that kind of crappy play.

In short: player profiling, knowing their basic background. If I knew nothing about Seraphim, I might assume he was scum as you do. But because I have an insight into how he'd think as scum, the only possibilities are he was being a moron (which I don't think was the case) or he wasn't acting as scum.

The reason this isn't conftown levels of play though, is because I recognize my profiling skills are imperfect, especially when I believe V said all topics have daychat (which would include the scum one), meaning his scumbuddies could have influenced him, plus, it was an objectively bad move overall.

tl;dr:
Town players are going to make scummy moves like that just as much as scum players do. The idea behind him being scum is valid, but off of what I know of Seraphim, I find it far more likely he's the former rather than the latter.
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Post Post #4105 (isolation #157) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:02 pm

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In post 3926, Klingoncelt wrote:
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I'm a Miller. What are the chances for a Godfather in the game?
Fairly low I'd say.

I'm reasonably sure that in all of V's games, he's not once used one.

There's been plenty of times characters were flavor-wise town when they had the alignment of scum, but I don't think Varsoon has actually used a godfather.

Multiple millers is possible though.

I do, however, want to officially say "fuck you" to V for reasons I shan't elaborate on right now though.
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Post Post #4107 (isolation #158) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 3930, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Mastin
can you confirm you are still claiming miller>> I know you faked the mason claim but I didn't see anywhere where you reclined the Miller claim
One, not a fakeclaim; Yume and I are masons, and two, not a fakeclaim; I am a miller.
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Post Post #4111 (isolation #159) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:16 pm

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In post 3935, Klingoncelt wrote:In the first place, you aren't a Miller if you're a Mason.
Yes I am.
I am a miller because of a passive ability. (Also flavorwise from my understanding on a wiki check of my character, I fit perfectly as one, so, etc.) I am still a miller. This miller power is still in effect.
I became a mason because of an activated ability that lasts the duration of the game: Yume received mod-confirmation I was town, BECAUSE OF MY ABILITY (not because of Yume's ability), which was specific to my ability, and was something that was one time only, only for Yume, and only in our topic. (Not a PM. Our topic has it in the OP that I am confirmed town, Yume will confirm that much.)

I have a separate ability. This separate ability allows me to send information, but I
cannot confirm alignment information
from it. In short, I can say "I have an ability causing me to investigate as scum but it's independent from my alignment", but I can't say "I'm a miller", yet alone, "I am a town miller". This, because I cannot send alignment information using my power.
I think Yume was misinformed and shouldn't "confirmed" you as Town.
It quite literally is impossible for me to be anything but short of Yume being scum. It's quite literally in the OP of our topic: "Mastina is confirmed town to you". Yume will confirm as much. This is not a bastard-modding game. As a result: I literally cannot.
Cannot
be scum, unless you view Yume to also be scum. (Yume isn't, btw. Whole, masons thing, and all that.)

Yume has said this before.
There's no possible misinformation here.
There's no possible miscommunication in play here.

It's absolute mod truth.
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Post Post #4112 (isolation #160) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:18 pm

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In post 3948, Klingoncelt wrote:btw, Did I mention that I received confirmation that Mastin got my rolePM information and proof that it's not a fakeclaim?
Just as much as I have mentioned I have received absolutely no such information from V.

It's not in my inbox.

I'm not going to lynch you any time soon.

But it sure aint because of a message directly from Varsoon.
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Post Post #4520 (isolation #161) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:36 pm

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In post 4176, Klingoncelt wrote:IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS GAME THAT KNOWS HOW THE MILLER ROLE WORKS?!?!?
I'd say there's at least one, yes.
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Post Post #4523 (isolation #162) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:41 pm

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In post 4198, Klingoncelt wrote:I claimed Miller in post , counter to Mastin's fake claim.
You call it fake, but I don't gambit that way as town.
My gambits as town involve misdirection and obscurity. I think Reasonably Rational is the playerslot in this game with the most first-hand experience with me doing that.
My gambits as town do
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involve lying, least of all for such frivolous, stupid reasons.

I am a miller.
I sure fit that description far better than you ever could.

But I am nonetheless a mason.
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Post Post #4528 (isolation #163) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:51 pm

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In post 4272, Loopdan wrote:You people are adding more content faster than I can read the old stuff.
If there was any doubt this was a scum slot......
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Post Post #4542 (isolation #164) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:00 pm

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In post 4302, Titus wrote:Is it bad that I don't know what half of those pronouns mean?
Pronouns are pronouns. They are what people ask to be addressed as when you are not using their name.
They don't mean anything more than 'he' or 'she' do. Nor do they mean anything
less
.
There might be some technical differentials here and there, but I honestly don't know them because I don't care to, and you know why I don't care to? Because I don't need to.

The one, and ONLY, important thing, is to respect the wishes of an individual and to address that person with the pronoun that person requests. Even if it's something obscure. (Though, I've heard of well over half of those before because I'm active in that community, obv.) But this should go without saying. The pronouns mean something to the person asking to be called by them. There's literally no harm in me respecting the wishes of that individual, yet quite a bit of harm in me deliberately choosing not to.
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Post Post #4545 (isolation #165) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:04 pm

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In post 4329, Almost50 wrote:You may add Almost/Shiro vouching for eachother (well, technically we're NOT confirmed to eachother, but due to some "enlightened guessing" I think we are semi-confirmed to eachother by now.)
Do pardon me for calling bullshit, but.
I am totally calling bullshit.
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Post Post #4554 (isolation #166) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:12 pm

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In post 4403, farside22 wrote:Why is Cooldog scum tirus?
Well for a start: the slot's done fuckall the entire game, but not in a town way.

Compare Cooldog's posting in the original Steven Universe game to his posts in this game. They're completely different. While he was indeed bad lurky mislynch baity town in that game, there were a lot of things that he did in that game which were utterly absent from this game.

I haven't bothered building a full case, but I could if you wanted me to, the iso's certainly short enough for that!
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Post Post #4558 (isolation #167) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:15 pm

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In post 4410, Titus wrote:That's just skimming his ISO. I'm sure Mastina could do a better traditional case.
Little bit low on energy today, so I'd prefer not to spend my time on it this second, but I can in fact do exactly this.

The slot's just blatantly scum. Admittedly, scum that lynching won't give us much info on (where do we go from there?), but scum all the same, and scum lynch with low information > town lynch regardless of information, so.
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Post Post #4569 (isolation #168) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:36 pm

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In post 4525, Reasonably Rational wrote:Pedit: your SU gambit was a lie. Not misdirection or obscurity, but an outright lie. Beyond that, I don't actually recall any other gambits you've performed as town, because I don't think I've played in a game with you as town where you cared enough to attempt gambits.
My SU gambit was not a lie. I was telling the truth, from a certain point of view. Strategic truth, if you will.
Another game I used strategic truth was Final Fantasy 7, your half.
Another game, SMITE, Drixx half.

I never really lied in any of those games. But I did keep things obscure and have misdirection in play.

But this game, I'm actually not gambiting.
There are
risks
I'm taking, on reads, like trusting farside. Calculated play-based maneuvers. Among them being me not pushing you and not pushing Klingoncelt and holding back on Xkfyu, three players I would normally be hardcore pushing into the ground right now. Which, when you think about it, are pretty damn big risks.

But I'm not gambiting. Not lying. Every risk I'm taking, I'm being basically open about. Every bit of my role that I've shared is absolutely, 100%, true. I haven't shared the whole thing; that's suicidal. But what I have shared, I've shared accurately.
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Post Post #4574 (isolation #169) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:44 pm

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In post 4560, grapes wrote:Honestly I'm more convinced by mathblade's 10 or so scumposts than I was on either cool/loop.
It's like each slot coming into the game has progressively realized more and more that they are screwed, tried to fight their way out, but only dug their grave deeper.

It'd be pretty hilarious to see what a fourth occupant would do, but of course, I know that'll never happen short of some critical emergency in Mathblade's life, since Mathblade's a steady, stable, sane enough player to not encounter issues often and is enough of a trooper that they would never say "fuck it" and give up on the game. So we'll just have to make do with three.

It'll be good having Mathblade in here, but at this point: if I hadn't been on the wagon already, I'd be switching to the wagon now.
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Post Post #4793 (isolation #170) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:54 pm

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In post 4575, McMenno wrote:maybe creature?
Lacking better ideas, sure. I can share my power with you and Creature.
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Post Post #4797 (isolation #171) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:58 pm

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In post 4583, grapes wrote:
In post 4576, MathBlade wrote:KlingonCelt probably town
In post 4581, MathBlade wrote:One of Kling or Mastina leaning Mastina is scum because of miller crap. Leaning Mastina.
these aren't progressive thoughts^
Indeed.
In post 4587, Klingoncelt wrote:Mastin's ObvTown. Presumed confirmed.
Though I'd also like to point out these aren't exactly the most progressive, either.
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Post Post #4798 (isolation #172) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:00 pm

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In post 4603, Skybird wrote:Do you think one or the other is scum? Both of them?
Almost50 is town.
Shiro could be either alignment.
But I don't believe they're confirmed to each other.
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Post Post #4800 (isolation #173) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:06 pm

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In post 4669, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1969, CooLDoG wrote:gonna get to this later today/tomorrow
In post 2188, CooLDoG wrote:tomorrow for sure
In post 2667, CooLDoG wrote:yo, was hungover yesterday (bars will do that to you), and today I just finished a hellish day involving no less that 8 hours of class time and 4 hours of reading. I can probably get something to you guys tomorrow, but I also have to ref some games. I will read as much as I can though. sorry.
This is also scum
Conveniently, we have a wagon on the slot. You should join it and lynch Mathblade.
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Post Post #4811 (isolation #174) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:18 pm

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In post 4747, Titus wrote:Yeah LoopDan promised a powerful role. This isn't it.
No, that's a powerful role alright.
I just so happen to think it's NOT the role of a human; I believe Mathblade's using a mod-given fakeclaim.
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Post Post #4815 (isolation #175) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:25 pm

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In post 4775, Reasonably Rational wrote:Good point about the fact that claiming ascetic now is a death sentence.
Wrong.
Claiming ascetic is taking the lesser of two evils.
Don't claim it, and actions fail when targeting you? Won't take long for people to figure it out, and since you didn't claim it, instalynch. One failed action wouldn't do it, but if two targeted Mathblade, which in this game is rather the possibility, it would be hard to justify why BOTH failed.
Claim it, and you can hide behind the incompetency of predecessors, which to be fair is true regardless of their alignment.

Claiming the ascetic was the smarter course of action regardless of Mathblade's alignment.

I just don't see it as particularly relevant one way or another.

Mathblade's slot is scum by play. All of it, start to finish.
Mathblade's claim is the type which could come from town or scum in equal amounts.
I happen to lean towards it making more sense as scum using a fakeclaim, but even if I didn't, with a null claim and scum play...the course of action is obvious.
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Post Post #5130 (isolation #176) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:36 am

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In post 4906, Almost50 wrote:Updated readlist (Mastina style):
Son, you've got some lessons to learn if you think
that
is a mastina-styled readslist.
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Post Post #5132 (isolation #177) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:38 am

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In post 4947, MathBlade wrote:Y'all are fucking horrible.
If that is hammer I am not replacing into a slot where y'all don't even want me to play. Should have just hammered without asking for a replace if you won't give me a chance to give informed reads.
Titus if not scum is very disrespectful for asking me on Skype to replace in then asking others to not let me play.
Shiro is more likely scum. But I want Titus's head for that disrespect.
If you were having any reservations, btw: this is a scum player reacting to the 'hammer', not a town player.
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Post Post #5133 (isolation #178) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:42 am

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In post 4952, Shiro wrote:παρτ ο με ςαντσ το διε σιμπλε το γετ τηε πλεασθρε οφ σηοςινγ υοθ τηατ υοθ αρε ςρονγ.
What did you
do
to butcher that Greek? If you put it directly from English to Greek, I 100% know for a fact the translation I'd be getting back from this would be
near
-flawless. But the translation I'm getting back from this is absolute gibberish, so you must have messed with this somehow.
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Post Post #5134 (isolation #179) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:44 am

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In post 4980, Almost50 wrote:
In post 4909, farside22 wrote:No offense A50 but the last time I listened to you was day 1 and that was in regards to cakez. So kindly bite me.
I'll accept this at face value and respond with the same logic: The last time you did NOT listen to Titus she was right and you were wrong and it was in regards to Cakez!! :wink:
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Shiro I am of two minds on, more town than not.
I'm not touching Klingoncelt today either.

But Mathblade, on the other hand, is just scum.
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Post Post #5135 (isolation #180) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:50 am

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In post 4999, Not Chara wrote:VOTE: DGB
I'll have you know.

And I'm dead-serious about this threat.

If DGB dies today and flips town.

I'm lynching exclusively from the players who voted her.


No joke. No empty threat.

Admittedly, that's a double-conditional. DGB lynch, and her town flip.
But I'm not going to let you get away with shit like this when we HAVE Mathblade on the ropes. Letting Mathblade go, for ANY reason, is not acceptable.

You've been warned.
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Post Post #5137 (isolation #181) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:54 am

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In post 5017, Titus wrote:The terrible OMGUS on grapes.
Not quite.
Try "the terrible OMGUS reads on all of their wagon".

Every single push Mathblade has made has been a player who was already on their wagon
prior to
Mathblade's push.
And yes.

Each one of those very-OMGUSy scumreads--including the one on grapes--has in fact been terrible.
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Post Post #5142 (isolation #182) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:00 pm

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In post 5018, Not Chara wrote:but the anger upon the 'hammer', what they said about being asked to replace in.
Is why they are scum.
That anger was not town-motivated.

Town, upon being hammered before they get caught up, have an, "Oh this was so
not
my fault" attitude, and then go about to give details about what they have so far, and pound in the important parts. They're pissed, but they will contribute up to the moment the thread is locked. Basically, they help the town out of
spite
, because it's the right thing to do. (And their wincon.)

Scum, upon being hammered before they get caught up, are pissed, but it's because, "I didn't have the chance to manipulate the game yet!". Their best interests are to do two things: not give content in case they are legitimately hammered (which would give the town valuable info), and still post and rant in case they are not, hoping that the towncred from their rant will remove votes. They give content only when directly prodded to give content, and their focus is on themselves. This is what Mathblade did.

As both alignments, the player in question is pissed. As both alignments, the player in question is ticked off. But what they DO when in this state is fundamentally different. Mathblade ranted and raved and
stalled for time
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Post Post #5143 (isolation #183) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:01 pm

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In post 5020, Titus wrote:They're stalling.
If they wanted to get thoughts down, they would have replied to the request that I made for gut reads repeatedly. They've replied in such a manner where it is impossible to tell where they are, and they keep crowing busy.
There is going to be anger at being lynched. Math!scum feeling like they could get out because they are my sibling without providing reads is anger at bring caught. Cakey had the same anger.
Basically, this.

Mathblade is scum.
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Post Post #5147 (isolation #184) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:05 pm

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I'd also like to note:
farside and Not Chara fighting Mathblade's battle FOR Mathblade are reason for both to be town when Mathblade flips scum (because that'd be incredibly stupid, especially on farside's part), buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

You two are doing exactly that:
Fighting Mathblade's battle for Mathblade.

Why didn't you let MATHBLADE respond to the points against them? Why did you defend them?
Why didn't you see whether Mathblade would defend themselves?

Because, since you did it for them, they have no need to do so anymore, and if they do bother to, they can simply parrot the points
you made for them
.

So while I'm glad you're towning it up with those plays...I'm also ticked off that you did so, not thinking about the consequences of your defense.
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Post Post #5148 (isolation #185) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:07 pm

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In post 5035, Titus wrote:CoolDog was scummy.
Loopdan promised a powerful role we would want to keep alive.
Math failed to deliver reads and started AtEing and trying to paint me as unreasonable, the same thing Cakey did.
Math had a shitty push on grapes.
A call to lynch Kraska without voting there.
Then, they jump on the only other vocal suspicion.
Yet, they cannot find the time to give gut reads.
Hogwash.
This. (Slight edit in removing the powerful role part. Math did deliver that. But that's literally
all
they have delivered. Nothing more.)
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Post Post #5152 (isolation #186) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:12 pm

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In post 5045, Shiro wrote:It wasn't a joke post.
You know. I've been debating on whether to comment on this, but I think that I should speak up here.

You are right.
It was
not
a joke post.
Klingoncelt was actually serious there.

And I understand your perspective on things and why you'd think it was a scumslip...
...But it's actually
not
.

If Klingoncelt is scum, then it would not be for that reason. I 100% guarantee you this. Klingoncelt could be town, could be scum, but that post has a non-joke meaning that makes sense coming from town.

I can tell you this because I'm a miller, and I know what she'd be talking about. It's not an indicator of her alignment, trust me. I'm trying to beat around the bush a little on the details here because I'd rather not disclose them, but I 100% guarantee you that what she said there was not a scumslip.
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Post Post #5156 (isolation #187) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:19 pm

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In post 5065, Shiro wrote:so if we do have corrupted gems, they are 3rd party.
Just like we don't have multiball in this game, I guarantee you we don't have third parties in this game. It's purely town versus scum. Corrupted gems are therefore either town or scum. It wouldn't surprise me if at least one corrupted gem is on the scumteam. It is also a given there's at least one corrupted gem on the town's side.
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Post Post #5157 (isolation #188) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:24 pm

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In post 5101, Not Chara wrote:were you tip-toeing around something, Xkfyu?
I recognize what you're seeing!

My response:
Please drop it!

It is not a pro-town line of discussion to prod at Xkfyu today.
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Post Post #5162 (isolation #189) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:31 pm

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In post 5144, Firebringer wrote:I really thought I was dead.
I suppose I owe you all an explanation.
I do in fact have knowledge about the mechanic which caused Firebringer's removal. This is knowledge that is 100% true--not a guess. I had the knowledge to KNOW about it.
...HOWEVER, I did in fact
misinterpret
an aspect of the mechanic. I thought Firebringer was dead, but I misread. Again. Apologies for the confusion there. I held back from correcting the mistake since I knew it'd be self-evident I had made the mistake when Firebringer would return to the game.

All the same, what I said was largely true: I know what caused Firebringer's removal from the game.
But at this time, it would be best for me to not reveal the details of this.
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Post Post #5164 (isolation #190) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:35 pm

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In post 5149, MathBlade wrote:Who is scum if I am town (which I am).
I have ideas and directions.
These are largely things I am not sharing at the moment.

I have at least three players (RR, Xkfyu, Klingoncelt) who are on "parole": they have chances to prove they are town. There are some other players who also sort-of fit that category. I also have some hard-townreads. I have a somewhat-limited pool of potential scum. But because there are too many variables in place before that (namely, the players on parole), I can't give an accurate pin on the game because there's a need for things to happen first that have yet to happen.

Basically, I can tell who isn't scum.
But you're the only player I can tell for sure is scum.
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Post Post #5165 (isolation #191) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:38 pm

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In post 5163, Titus wrote:Ok, can you answer whether it is town or scum? Or is that too much?
The power causing a lack of a flip was not a scum power. I said this before, and it's still true now.
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Post Post #5189 (isolation #192) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:10 pm

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In post 5167, Titus wrote:Ok, so to be clear, the scum kill is missing according to your knowledge?
I believe so, yes. Firebringer could have been the scum nightkill for instance, and we'd have no way of telling thanks to the nature of the removal. At least, if I read correctly. (Which, yaknow. I didn't once already, so I'll see if I can get some clarification from V to make absolutely sure.)
In post 5175, Firebringer wrote:Kling was on alt account and jet posting around same time she posted in this thread. Basically repeating exact same stuff to.
There was more than one person with access to your thread. I'm not sure if I should comment on Klingoncelt or not in regards to this though.
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Post Post #5190 (isolation #193) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:11 pm

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In post 5186, Firebringer wrote:It was very quiet. Very nice in a kind of isolated thing.
Well that's what happens when you think you're talking exclusively to scum. :P
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Post Post #5191 (isolation #194) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:13 pm

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In post 5188, Titus wrote:@mastina, that doesn't sound like town...
Trust me, it was.
It has pro-town uses, they just...come at a cost.
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Post Post #5407 (isolation #195) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:24 pm

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In post 5221, Not Chara wrote:still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie.
Yeah you're gonna need to explain that to me again.
See also how you call it
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Post Post #5409 (isolation #196) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:27 pm

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In post 5230, grapes wrote:You'll notice mathblade isn't taking any interesting (telling) avenues. Only obvious ones that won't tell us much once they flip scum.
This.
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Post Post #5412 (isolation #197) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:32 pm

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In post 5279, grapes wrote:Mathblade is a person who is, for all intents and purposes, looking for things to townread/scumread people for, instead of looking for town/scum.
Also this.

Mathblade's making commentary without attaching deeper meaning to that commentary.
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Post Post #5415 (isolation #198) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:38 pm

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In post 5338, Not Chara wrote:and, having read Math's reads, i still really do not want to vote them. Titus, is your sibling really this good of an actor as scum?
I wouldn't call that good acting.
But it's about par for what I'd expect from Mathblade as scum, yes.
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Post Post #5419 (isolation #199) » Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:41 pm

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In post 5348, Firebringer wrote:Pretty certain my removal was still scum action
Then you're calling a Titus/Yume/Mastina scumteam, because I 100% know for absolute mod fact that it was not a scum action.
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