Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[Wisdom]

Ok. Explain these.

in the former you expressed an incorrect view of the game and you asked me to correct you if you're wrong. I did so, while trying to understand how you can possibly miss that I had expressed a scumlean on you when it's been a hot topic.

in the latter I felt like you were accusing kraska of something she wasn't doing, and so wanted to get you to clarify what exactly what you were doing.

I don't understand how these aren't obvious.

[Nachomamma8]

The way I see it, he was defending himself from kraska, who had no read on him.

Doesn't seem particularly productive to me.

no, kraska stated that she thought my post re:you was scummy, and further she defended Wraith on the matter.
You think it's not important trying to understand why someone is defending my scumread, or trying to understand why she found my post scummy?

are we talking about 187 or something else?

[Infinity 324]

The way I see it, he was defending himself from kraska, who had no read on him.

Doesn't seem particularly productive to me.

no, kraska stated that she thought my post re:you was scummy, and further she defended Wraith on the matter.
You think it's not important trying to understand why someone is defending my scumread, or trying to understand why she found my post scummy?

I'm ok with questioning her defense of wraith

I don't see how you were trying to understand why she found your post scummy/sorting her in the process.

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

The way I see it, he was defending himself from kraska, who had no read on him.

Doesn't seem particularly productive to me.

no, kraska stated that she thought my post re:you was scummy, and further she defended Wraith on the matter.
You think it's not important trying to understand why someone is defending my scumread, or trying to understand why she found my post scummy?

are we talking about 187 or something else?

no, about 164 through 178

[Nachomamma8]

let me guess.. me?

why did you think Kagami was scumreading you?

[Wisdom]

I don't see how you were trying to understand why she found your post scummy/sorting her in the process.

you wont see every thought i have in the thread.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't see how you were trying to understand why she found your post scummy/sorting her in the process.

didn't like this reasoning when you used it against me, don't like the sequel.
why'd you unvote?

[Nachomamma8]

I doubt two scummos jumped on you with such silly reasoning, wisdom.

My current frontrunners are actually Shadow and Leon. I'm surprised by the diversity.

I'm not.
Did you explicitly disagree with any of the names tossed out?

[Nachomamma8]

well aside from my guess, i thought you were still stuck on what you were looking at earlier

[Infinity 324]

re: the unvote, it was a combination of not being sure that the off-topic-ish things are scummy and liking wisdom's reaction

[Nachomamma8]

I just ISO'd wisdom and he's done quite a bit of not a lot. I'd like to see more questioning from you I guess wisdom

well this shows that he's held the "wisdom is a fluffposter!" thought for a while
still don't know where it comes from

[Nachomamma8]

re: the unvote, it was a combination of not being sure that the off-topic-ish things are scummy and liking wisdom's reaction

what about wisdom's reaction did you like?
you don't see the point we're making about those posts that you pointed out not being off-topic at all?

[Wisdom]

i dont know why youve come to expect questioning from me
wasnt i a lot less transparent in true love?

[Nachomamma8]

Shadow's opening post looks motivated by "being safe." The initial part of his rule-of-three 147 is reasonable, but I don't like the wisdom bit and the final part also feels limp-wristed to me, as if the point were to mention an buddy in a negative light.

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.

What didn't you like about the wisdom bit?
I agree that the townreads on infinity are kind of lame, disagree that one has to be scum - any particular reason for thinking that one is scum as opposed to three silly townies?

[Infinity 324]

re: the unvote, it was a combination of not being sure that the off-topic-ish things are scummy and liking wisdom's reaction

what about wisdom's reaction did you like?
you don't see the point we're making about those posts that you pointed out not being off-topic at all?

I liked wisdom's reaction for gut, I guess

I see your point, but I don't really agree with it.

[SirCakez]

I see a bunch of new pages, but I'm going to go over my Wisdom vote reasoning b4 reading up

[Infinity 324]

i dont know why youve come to expect questioning from me
wasnt i a lot less transparent in true love?

Uh, I don't remember. But you were different. More aggressive, I guess.

[Nachomamma8]

i dont know why youve come to expect questioning from me
wasnt i a lot less transparent in true love?

Uh, I don't remember. But you were different. More aggressive, I guess.

Now this is something I can understand. The fluff thing is bullshit, but I did think that he seemed a bit more laid-back earlier in the game (although concerns are mostly dissipated now).

[Nachomamma8]

it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat

This

I liked Infinity for town-lean early but as time goes on I like him less.

I like Kraska for town but find her scumread on Kagami strange.

Kagami still strongest townread.

PeregrineV townread.

Biggest scum leans are farside and Wisdom but they aren't particularly strong at this point.

Why do you think kraska is town?
I don't really disagree with you but most of my reasoning centers around that strange Kagami scumread.

[Nachomamma8]

it could still mean that he doesnt find your reasoning convincing enough to think that was a genuine progression
idk wraith come explain that post of urs pls

pedit: wahat

This

also not really buying this, especially considering you said that you disliked the 180 specifically and didn't make a peep about his reasoning

[Kagami]

I doubt two scummos jumped on you with such silly reasoning, wisdom.

My current frontrunners are actually Shadow and Leon. I'm surprised by the diversity.

I'm not.
Did you explicitly disagree with any of the names tossed out?

No disagreement with wraith or cakez. I would guess wraith before cakez.

[SirCakez]

Ok so what I disliked about Wisdom is everything he's doing (at least up until my vote) feels like he's trying to blend in

VOTE: nacho

VOTE: nacho

There's this right off the bat, which I wouldn't have noted until I saw all the other "blending in" moments

I'll agree with the PV thing as well.

Here's another case of him agreeing with the crowd

I will also agree with the townreads on Infinity.

I think that him continuing to nitpick things and defend that way of playing despite people clearly finding it odd and worth questioning shows lack of scum motivation.

And here he 180s on Infinity, which I wouldn't find scummy in itself, but it's yet another situation where he's just following the general opinion

I also disliked how he threw out the infinity scumread early on but never actually voted the wagon

infinity you're trying too hard and me no like

says infinity who tried to question a joke

With these being two prime examples of clearly showing a scumread on infinity, yet leaving his vote on his RVS target. Looked like scum wanting to get a wagon going, but then when it didn't pull together backing off to fit in with the general opinion.

Now I'll read up

[Nachomamma8]

Cakez, are you feeling okay?

[Nachomamma8]

This rubs me wrong too.

Why?