Mini 1851 : Order of the Stick Mafia - Epilogue

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.3

- as of post 324

Nachomamma8 (3) - Kagami, Wisdom, Tammy
Wisdom (2) - SirCakez, Wraith
Infinity 324 (1) - farside22
PeregrineV (1) - shaddowez
Kagami (1) - kraska77
kraska77 (1) - Leonshade
SirCakez (1) - PeregrineV
Wraith (1) -Nachomamma8

Not Voting (2) - Bulbazak, Infinity 324

The Current deadline is November 28 at 9am EST in (expired on 2016-11-28 09:00:00)

With 13 alive - 7 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All good currently.

V/LA List -
Leonshade is V/LA until November 13th.
shaddowez is V/LA until November 14th.

[shaddowez]

@mod

- V/LA for standard weekend duties.

Someone asked me about scum reads earlier, I'll try and get a post out a little later, I hope to not have to wait until Monday to do so.

[SirCakez]

I think that you would be normal with these players if you were town here, but the fact you're holding back and going along with the crowd reads to me like scum trying to be cautious around this very strong playerlist.
To compare, you were very aggressive as scum in Soccer Spirits, but that playerlist was much weaker in general imo

i dont think these assumptions have any ground
I can't be town opting to not be aggressive for once because..?

Are you intentionally playing non-aggressively?

[Wisdom]

yeah

[farside22]

Oh joy I'm being discussed.
It always feels like someone who talks about you without addressing you is a peeve I've had. Trying to step in bugs me too.

That's just me ranting a bit.

What are you referring to re: this?
Are you talking about Kagami/Infinity discussion about your vote?

Yes.

Oh joy I'm being discussed.
It always feels like someone who talks about you without addressing you is a peeve I've had. Trying to step in bugs me too.

That's just me ranting a bit.

Now that I got that out of my system my vote on Infinity is serious.
I don't see why my vote should bother him or being questioned. He knows I've been a type to not to conform.
Wraith is another scum read I have currently.

The paranoid person in me is scared that I'm town read kagami. It's mostly hypothetically paranoia so I'm just noting it for now.

Farside seems annoyed and ranty.

Farside seems annoyed and ranty.

do you mean to imply something about her alignment with this, or?

No, just talking about her without addressing her, yet.

Peregrine is town.
Lurk away if you want.

Kraska moved up into scum read category.

[kraska77]

Kraska moved up into scum read category.

°☆.。.:*・°☆~~^town^~~°☆.。.:*・°☆

[farside22]

Infinity 324 (1) - farside22
PeregrineV (1) - shaddowez
Nachomamma8 (3) - Kagami, Wisdom, Tammy
kraska77 (1) - Leonshade
Wisdom (2) - SirCakez, Wraith
SirCakez (1) - PeregrineV
Wraith (1) - Infinity 324

farfar what do u think of kagami
shaddow, kagami, wisdom, tammy hey guys who are u reading as scum
leonshade hey bud explain that weird vote
pere why are u still voting cakeman
inifinity why are you voting wraith?
bulbzak show up pls

I'm going to say kagami town and if he's scum give her an award.
Shadow is null, Wisdom reads town.

Shadow's opening post looks motivated by "being safe." The initial part of his rule-of-three 147 is reasonable, but I don't like the wisdom bit and the final part also feels limp-wristed to me, as if the point were to mention an buddy in a negative light.

I also think the townreads on infinity aren't terribly well justified, and am suspicious that three players have it. I would guess that exactly one infinity-defender is scum regardless of his alignment.

I'm betting money it's kraska.
My wraith scum read just increased 10 fold.

Vote: wraith

[kraska77]

I'm betting money it's kraska

^^so town^^

[Wisdom]

Why are you scumreading kraska?

[kraska77]

shhh its ok it seems ive been chosen to be the designated person far thinks is scum and tunnels all game long its ok ive accepted my fate
anyway i was kinda half serious too. this is town farside

[SirCakez]

yeah

Why?

[Wisdom]

because

[farside22]

cakes' case is very shallow

Agreed.

I agree, but then I don't remember him being so shallow as scum, so let's see what else he'll post

He is very shallow with reads as scum.

Why are you scumreading kraska?

Her push looks manufacturer. I don't see the town read on Infinity or the scum read on you ad valid. Some of it is playstyle, although her comment about me gives me slight pause.
Very slight.

Scum reads wraith<cakez <infinity <kraska

Null on shadow.

[Wisdom]

which push looks manufactured?

[SirCakez]

because

cakes' case is very shallow

Agreed.

Are you even reading my posts?

[Wraith]

Ugh, I'm facing some major burnout since this morning. I've re-read the thread twice and can't get anything. I'm just drawing a blank.

Hopefully things will be better tomorrow.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: wraith

[Nachomamma8]

My wraith scum read just increased 10 fold.

what in particular tipped the scales for you?

[Nachomamma8]

He is very shallow with reads as scum.

he's also shallow as town!
but i'll stop being mean now

[farside22]

which push looks manufactured?

i really dislike kagami's interaction with infinity

Here's a spoiler on my fill in the blanks, infinity:

One likely reason for town-farside's vote is that she agrees with wisdom. The other reasons are uninteresting and generally in line with the "not wanting to take nacho to L-2" thought, though I don't think she'd vote you in particular if that were the case.

For scum-farside, the reason is once again Wisdom's earlier statement. She'd feel that there's a real possibility the wagon has legs and be happy to be on early, especially when there's not a real need to justify it. I find your reasoning to be fairly shallow and unlikely. I see no attempt to "appear to be doing something."

this is kind of a cringe post
the probing stopped being about understanding infinity's thought process, and became about kagami flexing town muscles. also theres a coaching tone to this post that really rubs me the wrong way, kagami later says that she's not reding infinity one way or the other, and i feel if that really were true, the interaction wouldnt have come to its conclusion in the form of the post above. also i just dont like that kagami is using her own interpretation of farsides motivations as a benchmark to compare infinity's against, rather than read infinity's motivations for what they are

@wisdom i dont know why you keep making it sound like the two things are mutually exclusive when he just said that one followed from the other
also ur explanations dont really redeem ur townread reasoning from being strange so i dont know what u expect him to comment oon exactly

The first post from kraska reads like a stretch and a bit of buddying towards me rubs me wrong.
Her defense of Infinity and attack on you I don't see how she comes to this conclusion.

[farside22]

My wraith scum read just increased 10 fold.

what in particular tipped the scales for you?

Specific stuff I don't like about Infinity so far:

I had a woohoo woowee I'm town post planned, but I rolled scum

that's what you really meant, admit it

Why no vote?

This really rubs me the wrong way. It's a pretty obvious joke literally less than 10 posts into the game but he's jumping on it like it's scummy.

I liked him town-lean early for posts 25, 28, and 39, but so far that's kind of it.

Ha! I thought it had something to do with the numbers.

Tammy - Understanding P5's humor since 2016. Go me!

Infinity - Did you just vote nacho because there was a wagon started on him already?

Yes

This rubs me wrong too.

You're entitled to your opinion. Since I don't think farside's vote was particularly scummy, I'm not going to bother to argue it.

He says this, but previously had like five posts questioning the motives of farside's vote. ???

His vote on me without explaining why is odd but could easily just be looking to get a reaction out of me. I guess it worked a different way because it drew a lot of reactions from other players.

I might shift my vote in a minute. About to re-read Wisdom's ISO to see if I'm remembering things right in my evaluation of him.

He was town reading Infinity prior to this post.

[SirCakez]

cakes' case is very shallow

Agreed.

Are you even reading my posts?

[Bulbazak]

Nacho are you around? I could just give an initial read dump, but I don't want to, and I just want to try to bounce some stuff off you first.

[Bulbazak]

Alrighty then...

@Nacho: Give me your thoughts on Wisdom when you can. I'm not sure if I'm looking at 1305 Wisdom here, or if this is the amicable scum Wisdom I've been seeing a lot lately. I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around over the next few days, but I'll try to do my best with anything else you want to talk about.

@Wraith: Why'd you stop with the Mr. Fluffy talk? I found it strange in general, but I found you stopping to be kinda abrupt.

Vote Shaddowez

I could go Wraith too, but I'm not sure it's as good a vote.

[Infinity 324]

I liked Infinity for town-lean early but as time goes on I like him less.

No he wasn't @farside

Not sure I like the wraith wagon. The wisdom vote was weird but very sloppy for scum play.

Would like other answers about whether cakez is this shallow as scum vs. town

@cakez What do you think about wisdom's response that he changed playstyle because he felt like it? Do you think that's unlikely?

I don't know who scum is, but that's ok I guess. This game I'll try a more patient approach and not judge anyone until I have a solid read on them.