Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Ankamius]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

If ever, at any time, I end up flipping, Narna and Nahdia are confscum.

I don't expect that will happen unless a hammer gets stolen out from under me, in which case that person should be flipped third after those two.

[Ankamius]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

Good job on proposing two options that are proven wrong, though.

[Ankamius]

That's completely irrelevant to anything:

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit

I proposed the miller might have worked in a way I had seen before which was "You would give the most unfavourable result to any and all investigative roles". Some refuted my proposition, somene said it was the case then they changed their mind and I gave up.

I checked this with Skull; it's not the case. It's a totally normal miller

[Ankamius]

I'm thinking that Leonshade is town (which doesn't indicate anything for Narna). I think whoever's town on this wagon is biasing too much towards them being scumpartners and scum are trying to support that.

Instead on day three is when you start campaigning for Leonshade town and then use your hammer.

Both lynches were inevitable and you were online at both times.

I do not believe you are town based on how you have laid out your claims.

Furthermore if you are just scum you are miller and hated already. Miller from being actual scum and Hated from doing self hammering as scum.

In actuality there is 0 that makes you Town and a lot where you play against your own claimed interests.

Furthermore you have been proposing a lot of shit that just isn't true.

Okay, here's the deal:

Why don't you try to lynch me and see what happens.

[Ankamius]

Speaking out against every single town lynch that we've had so far is not trying to be protown?

[Ankamius]

There is time for you to demonstrate I am wrong. Prove it and interact with the theories and explain and be loud. Miller isn't a free lurk sac pass.

I'm going to be blunt: I don't give a rats ass about your theory anymore. Nahdia fucking scumclaimed in the thread.

[Ankamius]

That's completely irrelevant to anything:

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit

I proposed the miller might have worked in a way I had seen before which was "You would give the most unfavourable result to any and all investigative roles". Some refuted my proposition, somene said it was the case then they changed their mind and I gave up.

I checked this with Skull; it's not the case. It's a totally normal miller

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

That's completely irrelevant to anything:

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit

I proposed the miller might have worked in a way I had seen before which was "You would give the most unfavourable result to any and all investigative roles". Some refuted my proposition, somene said it was the case then they changed their mind and I gave up.

I checked this with Skull; it's not the case. It's a totally normal miller

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

If you think I scumclaimed, vote me.

I'm hammering you so I can kill your scumpartner tonight.

[Ankamius]

I have no idea how I double posted that, btw.

[Ankamius]

Speaking out against every single town lynch that we've had so far is not trying to be protown?

Not when you aren't actively suggesting anyone. It implies knowledge.

You very obviously have no idea how I play the game.

[Ankamius]

If you can't already tell that I'm town, then you straight up aren't going to.

[Ankamius]

If you claim to have gotten a different answer than me, there'll be a confirmed scum in the two of us as well, which I more than invite. So please, Ank, go and ask Skullduggery about Shiro's role.

That's completely irrelevant to anything:

Now that Nahdia has somehow also confirmed the Shiro miller bit

I proposed the miller might have worked in a way I had seen before which was "You would give the most unfavourable result to any and all investigative roles". Some refuted my proposition, somene said it was the case then they changed their mind and I gave up.

I checked this with Skull; it's not the case. It's a totally normal miller

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

[Ankamius]

There's nothing else that needs to be said. This alone proves that you're bullshitting.

[Ankamius]

My Role PM has the exact same wording.

The only possible way for this to be wrong is via mod error, which has not been acknowledged in the thread.

Ergo, Nahdia lied about getting confirmation about Shiro's role.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Has there been a moderator error regarding role PM wording, role interactions, or a discrepancy between the two so far in the game?

[Ankamius]

My Role PM has the exact same wording.

The only possible way for this to be wrong is via mod error, which has not been acknowledged in the thread.

Ergo, Nahdia lied about getting confirmation about Shiro's role.

Or you are a lying scum trying to save Maxous.

My favorite part is that you were more than happy to work with me until I started crusading against Narna and Nahdia.

[Ankamius]

I reevaluated the gamestate when I realized that people were seriously thinking that Leonshade was scum for the govern after two horrible mislynches, so I started playing to my role as it was the only way I could see the game turning around.

[Ankamius]

.....................................

[Ankamius]

Sigh.

[Ankamius]

Maxous was predominantly scummy for helping to jumpstart the D3 Leonshade wagon.

[Ankamius]

The amount of cares I have for the gamestate is pretty low again and the one person I could count on to be able to bounce shit off of isn't in the game anymore.

Top scumread? Who the fuck knows. The last 20-30 pages have been more trying to solve the setup than anything and that's the type of content I can't get reads on.

[Ankamius]

No, I see that as NAI because that sounds like shit he would do every game.

[Ankamius]

It depends on if I get another breakthrough today or not.

[Ankamius]

If a post strongly pings me before the day ends, then I will shoot them. It will be very obvious if this happens.
If that doesn't happen, I'm not shooting.

[Ankamius]

You-

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[Ankamius]

My shot can't be redirected.

I was really hoping that you wouldn't force me to say it since them pissing away their redirect on me instead of anyone else is a best-case scenario, but now that's out the window.

[Ankamius]

If anyone thought before that whoever was doing that is town, you shouldn't be anymore.

Although really, the fact that the deadline was cut so severely when we had the Narna vs Shiro thing was suspicious as fuck anyway.

[Ankamius]

Just going to point out that it is known that you're a bulletproof, Mathblade.

[Ankamius]

Where did you get the impression that I'm a strongman?

[Ankamius]

And don't be an idiot. In what universe would scum play this role the way I have?

[Ankamius]

That's farther down the chain. The one I would hit only has Strong-Willed.

[Ankamius]

I'm either hammering or not being part of a wagon at all.

I don't have a targetable kill right now, so you have no reason to disagree.

[Ankamius]

Not Chara, Almost50, and BigYoshiFan are my picks for scum in that list.

[Ankamius]

Outside of you three and Creeps (which I forgot was massive, he's in the list too), I'm townreading everyone else in the list.

[Ankamius]

I'm either hammering or not being part of a wagon at all.

I don't have a targetable kill right now, so you have no reason to disagree.

You don't have a targetable kill?

What does this mean?

Don't you submit a night message with kill so and so?

...

[Ankamius]

What I mean is that I currently do not have a targetable kill, but once I get a hammer, I will get a targetable kill.

[Ankamius]

So then I have reason to disagree if I think you are scum or I don't trust you with the gun.

It means I'm either getting a hammer or I'm not part of a wagon at all.

[Ankamius]

For the record, inspecting to see whether I have a kill or not is useless. I can tell you right now that even if I didn't have miller status, he would get a "can kill" result from me.

[Ankamius]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Maybe you are the paranoid version of whatever you are. I thought Shiro flipped some non-killing role.

It's possible that I'm insane. Are you scumreading Nahdia and Creeps?

Well I can't kill and Shiro was a miller. I looked at deaths you see.

Unless one of my fruits are evil. In which case I count as killing? I think?

Did your slot give Firebringer fruit N2?

[Ankamius]

Sometimes I get that feeling where something is just

off

about a player, but I can't quite pinpoint where it is.

Mathblade from the past few pages is giving me that feeling big time.

[Ankamius]

Titus' role is designed to work with mine.

[Ankamius]

Sometimes I get that feeling where something is just

off

about a player, but I can't quite pinpoint where it is.

Mathblade from the past few pages is giving me that feeling big time.

For the record, it's mainly his back and forth with Almost50 that's giving me this impression.

[Ankamius]

My initial state is VT.

[Ankamius]

Mathblade I don't give a single shit about solving the setup. I judge people by how they play, not by what they say they are or do.

Your posts don't look town, so I'm not convinced that you are town.

[Ankamius]

...but you aren't vanilla so she would get Not vanilla.

MY ROLE DEPENDS ON WHICH STATE I AM IN.

[Ankamius]

.... ....

Assume I am scum Ank.
Who am I scum with?
There is no possible scum partners for me. Therefore I HAVE to be town.

I just finished a game where scum tried to 'solve' the game and single-handedly carried anti-town against a massive disadvantage solely by making up bullshit to put the game in a false solved state.

So excuse me if I'm not in a hurry to believe this type of argument.

[Ankamius]

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Once we have a very good idea what the setup is,

then

I will indulge in setup-speculation. Currently, we don't have a very good idea what the setup is, so I'm not going to waste my time with it. This isn't even counting that this game is bastard, which makes trying to solve the set-up a horrible idea regardless.

[Ankamius]

...but you aren't vanilla so she would get Not vanilla.

MY ROLE DEPENDS ON WHICH STATE I AM IN.

Your role is all states together.

Your abilities are based on which state you are in.

It is called a role PM for a reason.

You can say you would check as VT with Miller and Hated checks but you are not and never have been VT.

Your attempts to try to argue with me about the contents of my role PM isn't doing you any favors.

You should also try reading my ISO again, because for the amount of effort you put into trying to figure out my role, you clearly haven't caught everything that I posted in the thread about it.

[Ankamius]

My role pm

clearly states

that my role changes across states. This is inarguable as you do not have access to my role pm.

[Ankamius]

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

Don't assume that you can tell me what my playstyle is. I don't look for scumteams until I have a damn good reason for seeing multiple people as scum together, and even then it's based on their play and not on their roles.

[Ankamius]

...what you say is literally impossible.

All players get one role at the start of a game.

A role can have multiple abilities and change and gain and lose abilities but multiple roles is impossible.

Yes your role changes. I am not arguing that. I am not saying you couldn't be powerless at the start of the game.

What I am saying is that it is almost certain that Titus would not get a VT return on you.

A vanilla townie doesn't have states. It doesn't have the ability to shoot.

It is just that. Vanilla.

You're arguing for shit that doesn't apply in bastard games.

My role PM is very clear in what it says and there is no room for error in the way it's worded.

My role and modifiers change as I move states.

My initial role is Vanilla.

Ergo I would get a positive result from a vanilla cop and a negative result from a psychiatrist or w/e Narna's role is.

What you think or don't think is possible doesn't mean fuck all. That's how reality works.

[Ankamius]

But go ahead and keep trying to decrease my credibility now that I'm not falling in line with you anymore. That's the type of feeling I got with how you interacted with Almost50 before and that's definitely the impression I'm getting from you now.

[Ankamius]

Only my initial state would get a negative result. I'm not in my initial state.

[Ankamius]

Bit late with that, it's pretty obvious to me now what's been bugging me.

[Ankamius]

He did the same shit to Almost50 as he did to me.

[Ankamius]

Here he goes again, trying to discredit people who aren't heralding him as a town leader.

[Ankamius]

Why are we lynching Maxous again?

[Ankamius]

I'm starting to really dislike it now.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, that's the problem.

If he's scum, he's basically useless to them and is destined to die eventually.
If he's third party, he has no choice but to work with town.

Lynching him doesn't put us any closer to lynching actual scum outside of whoever they decide to kill tonight.

So why are we lynching him again?

[Ankamius]

Scum can potentially win with Maxous if we mislynch today.

And the only difference it would make to lynch him is that tomorrow scum can potentially win with a mislynch, except without Maxous.

[Ankamius]

Why is he scum?

Setup spec doesn't mean jack shit, so that's not a reason.

[Ankamius]

Have you forgotten SlySly's ability?

[Ankamius]

Yeah, like Narna being scum because his result was impossible. That turned out great, didn't it.

[Ankamius]

I have nothing against you personally, I just hate the playstyle of scumhunting by setup spec because not only is it impossible for me to read, but I've seen either scum manipulate the 'information' to force fake 'solved' gamestates to lose town the game or town just fucking it up badly enough to just lose themselves the game by clearing scum that aren't actually cleared.

[Ankamius]

Don't mind me, I'm bitching about the gamestate like I have been throughout most of the time we've been lynching people that I've been townreading and now we're settling for a third party claim based on information, since information has worked out so well for us so far.

[Ankamius]

This game is going to give me gray hairs.

[Ankamius]

You do realize that the fact that Narna wasn't lynched early in the game is the reason we're in this shitfest right now, right?

[Ankamius]

Also, I already have a read on you Math.

Your back and forth on me was scum.

[Ankamius]

If we had lynched Narna, we wouldn't have lynched Leonshade for saving him or Shiro for that fake guilty.

So yes, us not lynching him really helped us a lot, didn't it.

[Ankamius]

I'm going to trust my gut over your analysis, thanks.

[Ankamius]

I'm going to trust my gut over your analysis, thanks.

...................................................................................

thats not how any of this works

Yeah, you definitely have never played with me before.

[Ankamius]

I'm going to trust my gut over your analysis, thanks.

...................................................................................

thats not how any of this works

I agree.

Can you pweeeease be a secret double voter so I has hammers?

Yeah, you definitely have never played with me before.

[Ankamius]

/care

Make sure you kill me tonight so that my kill can't ever inconvenience you or your team.

[Ankamius]

I'm fed up because I'm getting a very bad feeling that the Maxous lynch is a trap, but I can't stop it because my playstyle depends on me having influence over the game and I haven't had any all game.

[Ankamius]

How many times do I have to state that I don't give a shit about people's roles and how they interact?

[Ankamius]

'Feelings' are how I scumhunt. When I ignore my gut to go with concrete information, it consistently hurts town, so I'm actively refusing to think along those lines.

[Ankamius]

Thanks for proving to everybody why I'm actively refusing to fall into the trap of ignoring my gut to think through concrete information.

[Ankamius]

How exactly does that prove anything? I gave my reads and basically stated that I don't care about innocents.

I even went into why innocents aren't actual innocents and shouldn't be trusted as such at some point.

[Ankamius]

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

[Ankamius]

Here's like the 80th time you straight up don't read my posts.

'Feelings' are how I scumhunt.

When I ignore my gut to go with concrete information

, it consistently hurts town, so I'm actively refusing to think along those lines.

Thanks for proving to everybody why I'm actively refusing to fall into the trap of

ignoring my gut to think through concrete information.

[Ankamius]

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Literally every read I gave in 6272 was based on shit like how they reacted to wagons, wagon analysis, reads, etc.

Nothing about that was because of roles. You're making shit up because I happened to talk about innocent results in that same post.

Any more questions?

[Ankamius]

Going to bed since apparently you don't even consider science any more or any rudimentary logic anything further is spam.

Start actually reading my posts and maybe I'll start taking your arguments seriously.

[Ankamius]

No, I have never played with Mathblade before. He also has never played with me.

[Ankamius]

Apparently math is scum for trying to convince people to lynch maxous using actual information as opposed to gut feels.

LOL

[Ankamius]

Accountant is scum too, nice.

[Ankamius]

I went into exactly where my Mathblade suspicion came from in the neighborhood, so you don't get to lie about it in the main thread.

[Ankamius]

Do you know what happened the last time I was in a neighborhood in a scum where I was open in the neighborhood and someone bent what I said in the neighborhood to the main thread?

They were the SK.

[Ankamius]

*in a game

[Ankamius]

It's an explanation of where the gut read initially came from.

I've put an 'abridged' version in the thread about 2-3 times.

[Ankamius]

I made it pretty damn clear that I'm scumreading Mathblade for using discrediting tactics to shut down opposition when he gets it.

The fact that Accountant is ignoring that is scummy as hell.

[Ankamius]

It also makes sense that so many people are suddenly trying to cockblock hammers from me now since I claimed quite a bit about my role in the neighborhood before the replacements. I revealed enough to show that scum definitely would not want me to get towards the end of my list. It puts a lot of Mathblade's arguments against my role in perspective too.

[Ankamius]

I don't read people by what they say.

I read people by how they say what they say and why.

[Ankamius]

The way Mathblade has been posting in the thread the last 10 or so pages fits a scum-trying-to-force-a-town-leader role a lot more than anything else.

[Ankamius]

What is the easiest way to keep your influence when you're one of the most influential people in the town?

Be spammy and shut down everyone who speaks against you.

Take a wild guess what Mathblade has been doing.

[Ankamius]

Mathblade isn't in your hood, what do their arguments have to do with your claimed role?

The way Mathblade has been posting in the thread the last 10 or so pages fits a scum-trying-to-force-a-town-leader role a lot more than anything else.

this logic, is something i can actually follow. it's not really something i agree with for a few reasons, mainly with Yoshi pushing Math, but i can see where you'd get it.

Easy.

Mathblade + Accountant is scum.
Accountant is in the neighborhood.
Scum likely have daytalk.

[Ankamius]

The way Mathblade has been posting in the thread the last 10 or so pages fits a scum-trying-to-force-a-town-leader role a lot more than anything else.

lol I force Town leader when Town is getting ready to mislynch a townread of mine and there is conf scum found.

I did it and would do it again.

I have work but will keep checking back.

Wisdom did a lot of similar things in Death Note mafia.

He was also scum.

[Ankamius]

i figured that would be what you'd say. the logic sort of feels like: 'assuming Mathblade is scum, their questioning of my role is therefore suspicious'. what math was questioning you on isn't even grounds to lynch you, it's semantics. i'm not convinced why scum wouldn't just shoot you in this case. if they're scared of your role, they can't lynch you by that alone.

can you answer on Yoshi as well?

pedit: Wisdom did try to cement himself as town leader. Mathblade isn't Wisdom. they are so utterly different from each other in their approaches in these two games wonder how you've compared them.

The point is to try to neutralize me since I am a wild card player with a role that can bring the entire charade crashing down. Of course he's going to try to prevent me from getting a kill before scum get an opportunity to kill me safely. I outright challenged Mathblade to try to lynch me, so he's not going to try it.

Yoshi is probably town.

The Wisdom point is the latest in a series of examples. There are players that play using setup spec, and when they're scum, they try to force advantages for the scumteam by abusing setup spec. I lost to Titus in a game where I caught the rest of the scum on day one solely because she forced a situation where she was considered confirmed town, despite the fact that my gut was telling me she was scum before and through LyLo.

[Ankamius]

I looked through your conversation with Yoshi and I'm not seeing his responses lean towards one alignment or the other.

[Ankamius]

I am not Titus nor am I wisdom.

If you want to use meta use mine.

There are also Town games where Town players took leadership and saved it.

I've seen town take over a game and singlehandedly win through good reads far more often than with trying to solve the setup.

[Ankamius]

And I play primarily theme games, where setups are more easily solved than normal games.

[Ankamius]

Because that has worked out amazingly for us so far, right?

We straight up don't have the information to break the setup by setup spec. Trying to do so and basing the entire game on that is ridiculous.

[Ankamius]

I'd be shocked if Andrius was scum solely by the way he interacted with me.

[Ankamius]

Andrius and I have enough history to make it clear that brazenly trying to get me involved into the game when he has precedent of not directly attempting to do so as town would be a heavily ballsy move that I don't see him attempting lightly. The pieces don't fit well enough to where I can see it happening.

[Ankamius]

I seriously can't fucking deal with this anymore. Whatever scum faction is out there, I am

begging

you to kill me. PLEASE.

[Ankamius]

trap

[Ankamius]

I'm fed up because I'm getting a very bad feeling that the Maxous lynch is a trap, but I can't stop it because my playstyle depends on me having influence over the game and I haven't had any all game.

That function is so fun.

Anyway, that's the extent of my feelings towards the game atm.

[Ankamius]

Not Chara scummed up disgustingly hard just on this page alone. Holy shit.

[Ankamius]

i doubt Maxous decided to try and trick us in death. so far, the Gaster messages have just been related to the Gaster ability activated, and i wouldn't think this latest one would be an exception.

one: Maxous would have been aware if his death created a faction he would win with. i didn't get the sense he was.

um

[Ankamius]

we weren't that great in Death Note, haha.

Don't remind me. Ank caught us for the wrong reasons, and yet -somehow- managed to do a F*** all and hand it to the SK I caught on D1.

Are you serious? I stepped the fuck up when it counted and only couldn't secure the win because of an invisible loophole in the setup.

[Ankamius]

Also I'm back to wanting to lynch the N-name brigade.

[Ankamius]

Why, because I was right about Maxous?

Yeah, lynching Maxous really helped us solve the game, didn't it.

[Ankamius]

The way you pushed Maxous and the way you're pushing now is erasing every town sense I had about the way you handled my tunnel. I'm getting the same vibe now that I did when you tried to push me for having scumreads on 7-8 players.

[Ankamius]

I mean, it had to happen eventually. Unless you still think we were supposed to leave that monstrosity alive.

Maxous had the ability to see the town win condition. Maxous is also not an idiot. He also completely stayed silent after he claimed while he was being tunneled into oblivion.

[Ankamius]

Do you not see
how
Maxous
could
have
planned
to get lynched?

[Ankamius]

The fact that you were pushing for Maxous to get lynched so blatantly is the scummiest part of your play by far.

[Ankamius]

Right. Planned to get lynched. Of course. That's why he reset the entire day when he was at L-1 the first time. That's why he defended himself repeatedly against MathBlade.

He only shut up once I started making the logical argument that, in desperation, he'd claimed something that's a contradiction to moderator information. He fucked up.

Well no shit he would try to fight it. If he legitimately wants to be lynched, he has to make it believable.

[Ankamius]

Think what you want, but forcing the SK to shoot for town when they're caught on day one is optimal. The reason it didn't work is because scum-Wisdom hard-carried him through the rest of the game.

[Ankamius]

Scum because it is voting me.

Just kidding, but I don't recall it scumreading me yesterday as it says.
Nothing strikes out to me as scum from NC.
To be honest, I like NC's interaction with you right around 7950-ish.
I'm sorry, but your posts there seemed wack, and NC seemed to see it like I did.
I mean... is null acceptable? I'm sure you know by now that when you ask me for a read I won't deliver to the potential you're asking for.
I'm not understanding the scumreads on NC prior to this day, persuade me. I haven't spent much time on NC.

^Scumposting

[Ankamius]

If anyone ever needed an example of scum making things up as they go, that post is literally THE example I would give for that.

[Ankamius]

So then let's have a little bit of plan time.

Let's give the hammer on Yoshi to ANK. Then ankle can kill Almost50. As a result we have two people we believe to be scum dead and the advantage.

If ank dosen't kill almost we kill him next turn.

Do we agree with this or not (Not counting Yoshi and almost)

I don't want to give a hammer to a person who didn't hammer conf scum.

um

You mean the guy that you hammered while I was at work?

[Ankamius]

Or it is a mislynch setup of Ank if he doesn't hit scum. I don't believe in leasing town PRs only scum ones. If he is scum his leash is no hammers. No reason to risk a townie life.

When Ank acts Town and actually is on a scum wagon then he gets hammers.

I townread him yes but it is definitely not to the point of trusting him.

I'm either getting a hammer or not getting onto a wagon at all. This is non-negotiable.

[Ankamius]

idk what else I can say

I have a pretty good idea of who I believe is scum, so

[Ankamius]

I'm pretty sure that scum is generating apathy by spamming. I propose we lynch everyone who generates above 15 posts a day.

No. horrible. High post amounts has never generated apathy in any of my games before. The apathy comes from the first mislynches.

Do you consistently have high post counts?

If so, then that's why you don't understand why it makes people apathetic.

[Ankamius]

Mathblade being this adamant about me not having hammers is scummy as fuck after their posts in the neighborhood.

[Ankamius]

Mainly that our scumreads are overlapping a lot and I'm not townreading very many of his scumreads. This isn't even going into our shared reads in the game thread itself.

The fact that Mathblade is adamantly trying to avoid me getting a kill despite how much our reads are aligning is making me think that Mathblade believes that whoever I'm likely to shoot is an important person to keep alive.

[Ankamius]

Now that you're specifically asking for a target instead of seeing that I've been willing to work with you today and shown that a lot of our reads align meaning that finding something that we can both agree on is possible, I'm significantly less interested in working with you regarding my kill anymore.

[Ankamius]

Can you guys do me a favor and clarify who was added to the neighborhood when? Some stuff isn't adding up in my head.

Titus -> Andrius -> Shiro -> me -> Mathblade

[Ankamius]

"force scum to shoot within the pool"

Scum have not made a single kill all game that made any sense..

[Ankamius]

Go ahead and explain it then, because this is news to me.

[Ankamius]

Can I have one fucking person in this game not scum the hell out of their slot for one day phase?

[Ankamius]

Go ahead and explain it then, because this is news to me.

Based on the My faction bit. It is likely but not confirmed.

This is not an answer to fuck all.

I asked why the kills make sense in your eyes.

[Ankamius]

I seriously thought I was starting to get on the right track again with the N-brigade being scum, but then Accountant comes in and makes one of the most bizarre discredits I've seen in a long time which sends me back into an Accountant+Mathblade scumteam.

[Ankamius]

yoshi is trolling because he's caught scum and wants to shit up the thread even more before he inevitably gets hammered in the hopes that people will be too unmotivated to catch his scum buddies

What was the last 300 pages?

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV: You aren't bad enough to think I'm scum this game. How haven't you figured out I'm town yet?

[Ankamius]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Btw I checked sir cakie last night and I think he is cool. Not 100% solid but I think he is cool.

01 zakk

(Papyrus, Town Flavor Cop)

Was Killed on Night 1

16 McMenno

(sans, town lazy coroner)

Was Lynched on Day 2

so we have FOUR cops in this game??

Five but I think the vanilla cop is useless given role madness.

I am uncertain as to the claim, and the choice of check.

Oh so wrong stranger. This and something in the hood I think is why Titus is scum's victim. One of the potential scums in the list has claimed VT. Won't say who in case they are VT. However Titus said who they checked and mysteriously die. Over what SirCakez has claimed.

No.

You're making up bullshit here.

[Ankamius]

Zakk also managed to strongarm a mislynch on the strongest player town has right before he was killed. Generally, when I'm scum and I see town doing scum's work for me, I don't kill them off immediately.
Nosferatu was killed for suspecting Not Chara/Almost50/N-brigade despite only a few people thinking Almost50 was town and a lot of people scumreading the rest?
SlySly was not universally townread and not only was heavily campaigning for Leonshade's lynch, but he was also scumreading Titus and Shiro, both of which are now known to be town.

Color me completely unconvinced.

[Ankamius]

So what's your explanation for the kills then?

The entire reason I asked is because I don't have one. I've even stated before that I thought none of the kills made any sense.

[Ankamius]

Right now, I feel like we either have enough claims to solve or test them, but even that supposition is getting no support.

Mathblade is looking more and more like he's trying to look productive than I feel he actually is productive.

This set of sentences is one of the most ironic things of this game so far.

[Ankamius]

For the record, PeregrineV is still heavily town. I don't know what kind of meta people are trying to use to suggest otherwise, but it's really bad and wrong.

[Ankamius]

Like I can't see why he's spam so much garbage like if he was legit town

Are you trolling?

[Ankamius]

Because you're trying to read people by what they say when they're easily read by just reading their tone?

[Ankamius]

Jesus fucking christ, no wonder we have literally zero synergy.

[Ankamius]

zzz

Jae-slot isn't Chara because I am Chara.

It really should've been braindead obvious just by what I'm claiming.

[Ankamius]

If anyone wants to try to bullshit an excuse to lynch me for flavor, keep in mind that my role being group-scum makes far less sense than a third party, which would be pretty hilarious with another confirmed third party in the game.

Go ahead and lynch me if you give that much of a shit, though. You'll regret it instantly.

[Ankamius]

Flavor, role, whichever.

[Ankamius]

No, the later states of my role allow me to carry the fuck out of town because town has been significantly below a base competence level this game.

[Ankamius]

Let's let Chara hammer, guys.

I don't trust Ank with hammers when he doesn't trust fucking clears.

Because our track record with scumhunting based on information has done absolute wonders for us this game.

[Ankamius]

Then have him hammer the dog.

He has only hammered Town. He didn't hammer Maxous and made excuse after excuse. What makes you think he would hammer scum? I want him to hammer a scumread town shares. I scumread A50 but the way he wouldn't hammer Maxous makes my skin crawl.

I also refused to hammer the first two town that got lynched this game, and even specifically said before that I only started playing selfishly when I realized how badly town was going to lose if I didn't.

Go ahead and keep making up bullshit like you have been for most of the game, though.

[Ankamius]

Ank remind me who you want to eat rope?

The better question is who

don't

I want to eat rope.

If I had to iron down on one person over anyone else, it would be Accountant.

[Ankamius]

I'd also like to point out that not only have I refused to lynch MagnaofIllusion and McMenno, but I was also crusading against Leonshade's lynch and only hammered it out of spite, and sided with Shiro against Narna when the 1v1 happened (which I also only wagon-hopped on because I was at work when the wagons shifted towards lynching Shiro and I knew that the slot would be dead by the time I got home since Maxous cut the deadline to fuck all).

[Ankamius]

The biggest reason I want Accountant dead is because he went beyond the scope of the game to try to put down my playstyle. A distant secondary reason is because he's scum.

[Ankamius]

Refusing to lynch town doesn't make you Town. Show some initiative and answer Nahdia's question.

You know what also doesn't make people town?

Catching the third party.

[Ankamius]

I'd also like to point out that not only have I refused to lynch MagnaofIllusion and McMenno, but I was also crusading against Leonshade's lynch and only hammered it out of spite, and sided with Shiro against Narna when the 1v1 happened (which I also only wagon-hopped on because I was at work when the wagons shifted towards lynching Shiro and I knew that the slot would be dead by the time I got home since Maxous cut the deadline to fuck all).

All your posting since I replaced in seems to be "I have more information than the rest of you on everyone's alignment".

On people currently alive? No.

On everyone that has been lynched, I've been one of the most accurate players in the game, yes.

[Ankamius]

I already basically answered it. I have too many scumreads since the majority of the slots have done really scummy things this day phase.

[Ankamius]

I legitimately only have townreads on PeregrineV and Andrius(/Pine/JaeReed) at this point. SirCakez used to be a townread a long time ago, but that's a distant memory now.

If there were slots that are probably town for not being as scummy as the rest, I'd fit Almost50 and Giovanni in there.

Creeps20(/Massive) has been lowkey scummy for like 3-4 day phases now. Nothing Creeps20 has said all game looked town.
Accountant looked like scum when he was in the game and after coming back. Firebringer looked town for neighborhood stuff.
Not Chara, Nahdia, and Narna all have their moments when they start looking town, but every single time they do something that bring me back to why I scumread them in the first place.
Creature was nulltown. Mathblade ruined that read pretty thoroughly with the nonstop discrediting except for a brief time when this day phase started.
I never had a read on SnarkySnowman that I remember. BigYoshiFan keeps flipping between town and scum.

[Ankamius]

I would be completely fine with killing Creeps20, but I don't actually believe that will help us actually solve the game since I can really see him being scum with just about anyone with how absent and relatively ignored the slot is.

[Ankamius]

I don't give a rat's ass about roles. We've been relying on roles for 2-3 day phases now and we haven't made a single step towards actually lynching scum from it.

[Ankamius]

It should be obvious who I'm killing since I already outright stated it.

[Ankamius]

Ank remind me who you want to eat rope?

The better question is who

don't

I want to eat rope.

If I had to iron down on one person over anyone else, it would be Accountant.

[Ankamius]

And I frankly don't give a shit about anyone's innocents. I'd be very surprised if scum didn't have immunity of any kind to anything.

I'm also going to point out that I played in another Skullduggery game where one scum didn't have the ability to kill until three (if I remember correctly?) town players were affected by my permanent roleblock ability.

Skullduggery is more than capable of making a game with the scumteam having unique tools, so don't assume that every innocent is truly an innocent.

Didn't I just say that Narna's innos are unreliable regardless of your opinion of him?

MathBlade replaces Creature. Welcome to the game, MathBlade!

Accountant replaces Firebringer. Welcome back to the game, Accountant!

Pine replaces Andrius. Welcome to the game, Pine!

I apologize for the delay, everyone. To compensate, Day 5 has been extended by 24 hours. The new deadline is posted in the vote count below. All "Draw" votes have been discarded.

Any more questions?

[Ankamius]

OK maybe I was wrong when I was townreading cakez on day one.

[Ankamius]

SirCakez: Can you explain your reasoning for why you gave people what you gave them every night so far?

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV is easy to tone-read. Either you can do it or you can't.

[Ankamius]

SirCakez: I meant why you gave things to the people you gave them to, not why you gave certain things themselves.

[Ankamius]

We're not ending the day until SirCakez answers my question.

[Ankamius]

Some people like Ank don't bother with cases. It infuriates me. Some people don't play mafia for cases. Some people are logical players like me who use mechanics. Some are more "tone". The "tone" players do adopt the fuck cases just lynch player approach and it drives me insane because I am three steps back and can never tell when they are lying because they don't explain and ergo I don't trust them.

I've basically detailed my entire playstyle to you and you're still pulling this bullshit?

Maybe

It's possible

That people

Don't think

The way you do

[Ankamius]

Then again, generally people that are expecting me to spoonfeed them everything I'm thinking are scumbutts, so.

[Ankamius]

This is the last game we're playing together, then.

[Ankamius]

The only reason I'm not gunning for Mathblade right now is because I have bigger fish to fry.

I very strongly don't wish for that slot to live past tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

People don't always react to things logically, Mathblade.

[Ankamius]

Lol?

Emotion and motivations are a

lot

harder to fake than information.

[Ankamius]

Vote: Mathblade

[Ankamius]

See if you can figure out why I'm voting you.

[Ankamius]

I'm not going to budge on revealing anything until you start figuring these things out, so chop chop.

[Ankamius]

I'd be impressed if you figured it out.

[Ankamius]

No, I've been scumreading Mathblade pretty consistently for a while now.

The info I got from this exchange only makes me more sure that slot is scum.

[Ankamius]

Although there is a possibility that I'm wrong and the explanation instead is that Mathblade isn't able to accurately process the gamestate with the fact that it's a bastard game in mind.

Both explanations fit why Mathblade is having so much trouble accepting that my role exists in the state that it does.

[Ankamius]

No, at this point I'm convinced that it is entirely impossible for us to be able to read each other at all.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

I'm going back to standby, I got what I needed from that.

[Ankamius]

Shiro confirmed that Narna is a Psychologist already.

[Ankamius]

zzz

I don't approve of that pool in the slightest.

[Ankamius]

I think town's lost at this point if that's the pool we've reached, sadly.

[Ankamius]

I'd point out again how Narna's clears aren't actually clears, but I just can't give enough of a shit at this point, honestly.

[Ankamius]

Math: Assume only one scum can kill at a time and it only switches when the scum that can kill dies. Suddenly, Narna's clears don't mean anything.

I can easily see this, as I was on a scum team in another Skullduggery game where one scum had no ability to kill at the start of the game.

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Could you spoiler all the videos in your posts for me please? I literally can't open up your ISO without my browser crashing anymore.

[Ankamius]

It kinda worked

I'll finish my shit tomorrow

[Ankamius]

My 'current' scumreads without going through everything I wanted to is {Narna, Not Chara, Almost50, Accountant} with {Nahdia, Mathblade} as lower tier scumreads.

[Ankamius]

Vote: Creeps20

Let's dance

[Ankamius]

Almost50, why are you suddenly not considering hammering yourself?

[Ankamius]

You know that feeling that I've been getting about what we''re doing being a trap?

I'm getting that feeling again.

BigYoshiFan is sounding very fake today.

[Ankamius]

You know that feeling that I've been getting about what we''re doing being a trap?

I'm getting that feeling again.

BigYoshiFan is sounding very fake today.

You said that before our only Not town lynch.

I also felt that before our single most retarded lynch all game, Leonshade.

[Ankamius]

But go ahead, keep using Maxous not directly being part of town despite the fact that we still don't actually know whether lynching him actually helped us at all or not.

[Ankamius]

This is me being here and not hammering, in case anyone was paranoid.

[Ankamius]

Since when is Mathblade confirmed town?

[Ankamius]

Ugh I'm too tired for this shit. I just remembered why.

I'm going to bed.

[Ankamius]

Mathblade, here's the thing.

Each investigative role we have this game is nerfed heavily in some way.
My role is a confirmed killing role,

which is an investigative role

.
You are claiming to be a bulletproof townie.

Do you see how that doesn't make sense with the rest of the setup?

[Ankamius]

I'd also like to point out that by the same token, Giovanni's role doesn't make sense either.