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[Gamma Emerald]

GRAAAAGH
LIKE SERIOUSLY
IF YOU WERE NOT A VIG I WOULD VOTE YOU HERE AND NOW.

[Alisae]

Gimmie an A!
Gimmie an T!
Gimmie an E!
What does that spell?
AtE!

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever. You've got your head stuck up your ass, no point trying with you.

[Aj The Epic]

I mean go ahead and vote Alisae. Pine/Elbrin/Tywin have already decided that votes on more than 99% likely town players are acceptable today.

[Alisae]

And Nos. Don't forget Nos AJ!

[Aj The Epic]

Nos isn't alive today.

[Alisae]

Because he voted the vig day 2!

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

tbh why is picking up on crumbs in thread a reason to SR someone with scum daytalk

[Gamma Emerald]

Alisae, what's your vig letter to Santa?

Dear Santa, I want to vig the following people:
Nero
Kyouko
Gamma

I approve of this. Wait til I flip, or don't take my opinion at all, but regardless, I agree with this list. Preferably Kyouko or gamma over Nero. I don't see much wrong with Nero compared to the others, and the fact that he was brought up by so many makes me suspicious regardless. With the reads 'town' has had all game, I think the opposite is always going to be the truth. Whoever is scum in 'towns' mind is actually town, and whoever is town in their mind is scum. That's my opinion.

This is just plain stupid
I sense the roots of discredits in this post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can anyone explain why Mozamis was lynched? Did anyone have a case? Elibrin switched to him without giving a reason (same as he is doing for me now and did for Lapsa as well). That doesn't look good for him. Gamma never gives reasons or cases.

I gave my case when I was pushing the lynch: contradictions and SK paranoia
Lie and discredit more, scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I really don't like Kyouko. Like I don't like how fucking easily he picked up those crumbs. Honestly I never did like Kyouko.

Wowee, I spotted some crumbs, it's almost like I'm paying attention to what I'm reading

Only scum seem to be doing that this game, so it doesn't help your case much.

Just because you think town is playing poorly doesn't make it so. So far we're 1 for 4 on hitting scum, and scum has made mistakes too by shooting cloud. We're really not doing badly imo, especially if Titus lives

No, there's no 'we' there. Don't take credit for things you had no part in.
ALISAE is 1 for 4. Absolutely nobody else is.

Technically scum is 1/4 too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma, Kyouko makes that move as scum if:
1) Tywin is town
2) He's bussing.

It's a pretty easy stance to have. It's made more or less worse by the fact that it wasn't followed by a vote, which kinda suggests option 2 isn't there.

Okay so you're saying Tywin is town based on a preflip association with me instead of reading him based on his own actions?

[Aj The Epic]

Because I have 0 posts about Tywin outside of this.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If you say I make a move

as scum

if: and then follow it by 2 scenarios

1)Tywin is town
2)Tywin is scum

then say that 2 doesn't make sense (again,

if I'm scum

) then all you're doing is assuming I'm scum then coming to the conclusion that because I'm scum and I didn't vote, that I'm not bussing, which means Tywin must be town. That does not make sense, you never consider why I would unvote there and keep my vote off Tywin if I were town. How is this not either a)Reading Tywin off of preflip associations or b)confbiasing scum!Kyouko theories?

Can you even explain why you scumread on me? I feel like the whole case on me is speculation based around the traitor discussion and people thinking that Cloud was trying to signal me. There are probably 4-6 people you could make that case on based on CK's posts.

I did not want this day to end early and still don't want it to end. Nero and Sonia have been almost silent today as far as their content goes. If Tywin is town, the longer the day goes on without town lynching each other, the more scum will have to show their hand. I think right now you're being forced to show your hand because we didn't speedlynch Tywin. Your alignment will be revealed more and more the longer we talk, so if you're town (which I seriously doubt right now) you may be able to convince the rest of us, but if you're scum, the longer this lasts, the more obvious you will be when it's all over.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

How is this not either a)Reading Tywin off of preflip associations or b)confbiasing scum!Kyouko theories?

or c) Reading Kyouko off of preflip associations with Tywin for that matter

[Nero Cain]

Votecount 3.3b

Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
ssbm_Kyouko 2 (Tywin Lannister, xSoniaNevermindx)
Pine 1 (Alisae)

Not Voting 6 (others)

oh now you decide to not count my unbolded vote. :/

You are trying your hardest to take down Titus.

misrep. He's

arguing

with Titus. I still think wagon speed prob makes him town but I'm really confused as to why he's calling SSBM scum but not voting there.

Scum doc heals nos.

I agree but what do you think the false positive role is or do you think town is just massively stacked?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE:SSBM

Wanted to make sure it counts this time.

[Nero Cain]

but I'm really confused as to why he's calling SSBM scum but not voting there.

nevermind.

[Nero Cain]

But if this is true, then how Titus was cleared by a gunsmith is wierd unless the following is true: Cabd lied about clearing Titus.

mafia x-shot doc or just didn't protect Nos for some reason? idk.

@3436
mafia doc? I know the current theory is that no way is she a mafia doc without healing Nos but why you like ignore that possibility in your post?

So there are 4 traitor games in the archive and they're all 4 mafia total except one game where there were 5 mafia but in that game there were 21 players, a vengeful, and a lot of protective power (a doc, a non-consecutive doc, and a 3-shot commuter). Should only be 2 scum left imo, regardless of the presence of an SK (there were SKs in 3 of those games which had 21/19/21 players, no SK in the last game, a 16 slot game).

Gonna spec based on past games we're looking at 13 town vs 4 mafia, maybe 12v4v1 if town has a lot of protectives still lying in wait which seems unlikely given how many kills there have been.
2 scum dead leaves us with just 2 left so I think we should consider that when looking at possible scum

We are sorta past the setup spec part of the game. There are

ATLEAST

4 scum and that's been said multiple time already.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think that's L-1. [Sonia, Alisae, Aj, Tywin, Nero] with 11 alive should make 6 to lynch.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My theory of Elbrin Tywin AJ Nero feels good, but it's probably wrong

Also note that 3/4 of conftown's SRs and Alisae, confirmed Vig/SK are on me as we speak.

Requesting Alisae shoots between Aj/Tywin tonight and that if one flips scum the other is to be lynched tomorrow.

I think Aj/Tywin are the biggest proponents for my lynch so far, and Aj has been shading me for a while now. Just going to vote for now, since it's really late, but will case him formally probably tomorrow if I'm alive.
VOTE: Aj

[Elbirn]

Why is me being passive no fun?

I have given the group my lynch pool and I am voting the largest wagon in it.

Being confirmed town means more than ever I do not shut others up.

Do you have a problem voting within my pool Elbrin?

How are you gonna turn me questioning your lack of effort into trying to place blame on me

And yeah I do have a problem with you doing nothing but saying "x y z are acceptable go git em". And when one of those is me like what do you expect me to say to this

I'm just gonna find your partner since you're never getting lynched, that'll be the game for me, and I'll fuck off from you since at this point all I'm doing is making myself look and feel like a punk ass

VOTE: GammaEmerald

[Cephrir]

Votecount 3.5

ssbm_Kyouko 5 (xSoniaNevermindx, Alisae, Aj The Epic, Tywin Lannister, Nero Cain)
Tywin Lannister 2 (Titus, Gamma Emerald)
Aj The Epic 1 (ssbm_Kyouko)
Gamma Emerald 1 (Elbirn)

Not Voting 2 (Pine, gerryoat)

[Alisae]

No Kyouko. I am not shooting townies because you are scum.
Hey Elbrin, hammer this guy already for us?

[Alisae]

Gamma knows hes dead.