Newbie 1770: Water Game Over

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Jin

You should know by now to participate in RVS.

[Formerfish]

That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: MooginSoosy

Hi!

Do you not like the 2 votes out there already? Why start a new wagon on Moogin?

[Formerfish]

RVS is what we call the random voting stage (a subvariety of this is RQS which is the random question stage).

RVS occurs at the beginning of games and is meant to be like an ice breaker of sorts. It's what helps us gain info as town to make beneficial moves in lynching scum.

[Formerfish]

That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?

Im not no punk little boy on the school yard. I fought my entire life against people like you, i was fighting in a secret club beforr you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. You wanna know where i was born boy? Huh? Well ill tell you.

Spoiler: This is your answer

Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air

Actually i was born in detroit but thats neither here nor there.

You going to actually answer the question? I could easily make this vote real.

[Formerfish]

I'll be around if anyone wants to engage with me/dance.

I'm Formerfish by the way, one of you resident SE's or semi-experienced players. I am here to help you through the beginning of your time here at Mafia Scum. If you have any questions shoot them my way, or to any of the SE's and the IC.

[Formerfish]

Hi Jack, first time ever playing?

[Formerfish]

Jin. I am attempting to figure out your motivation in avoiding RVS. I did a quick dive into your ego search and saw that you don't always start your games this way, and that you have engaged in RVS before.

Why are you being so obstinate about RVS now? You seem like you've been around long enough to know that nonparticipation is frowned upon, and why that would be true.

[Formerfish]

@MOD- I didn't see anywhere in the OP about scum daytalk. Is no daytalk standard for newbie games?

[Formerfish]

Fykus, why focus on the IC in that case then? There are 3 semiexperienced players that fit your mold too.

[Formerfish]

I figured as much, but I wanted to make sure.

[Formerfish]

Do you think it is scummy at all that Jin has refused to participate in RVS. Do you know why someone might want to avoid participation in today's first phase?

[Formerfish]

Hello all it's lovely to meet you. Im totally new.

Hi, what do you think of the game so far?

I like it but I'm not sure who to vote and why and I'm worried I'm going to talk during day or night or screw something up.

I also don't know if I'm posting enough since I'm only checking this like once a day.

RVS is all about goofing off and trying to start a conversation about something that someone finds scummy. This is how we generally enter into the actual game. As town it's a lot easier, since when scum flips their RVS tends to get analyzed.

Don't worry about talking during the wrong day phase. This thread will only be open when you are allowed to post. If you rolled scum then that thread would only be open at night.

As for post frequency, that's up to you man. I tend to post a lot in the moment because I like to deal with people in a more immediate way. When I'm not caught up I do fewer but bigger posts. If you post withing the prod requirements then you will stay in the game. Post when something catches your eye, or you have a question, or just to say that you are around for a bit if anyone wants to chat.

[Formerfish]

I am familiar with the series, I actually have most of the books. Its out there, but a cool premise.

[Formerfish]

So while we're asking questions, I'd like to know why formerfish is going after jin so much still after he explained he wasn't going to be around much until the 17th. I still think jin is being suspicious, but is it worth it to continue to question someone who isn't going to be around for a little while? Wouldn't it make more sense to also question other people rather than stick to one person in this phase?

As town you have to be suspicious of everyone until you get a better feel for the current game state. At this point in the game we have 2 people who still haven't even posted, and someone doing something i think is scum motivated. The idea that he was just posting some bs seems to be a cover to me for why we will never be able to look for associative tells if Jin dies and flips scum. I am going to hammer that idea right now because its the only one we have. You think someone else is being scummy, point it out. For me I am going to wait for everyone else to post before I start looking for a scum team. Pressuring Jin here is the right move, even if he has stated that he will be lva.

Oh and don't forget that day 1 is all about interactions. Who followed who onto a wagon, who never voted for a specific player, who talked to who, there is so much to be learned from the forming of wagons to the individual interactions players have or don't have.

[Formerfish]

I have no idea how to go about this so, Formerfish seems pretty aggressive but I don't think aggressiveness in a game (at least with newbs) would imply he's scum. I think it would be someone playing it cool so... MooginSoosy seems pretty cool right now diverting attention away from him.

(how's that?)

Aggression doesn't equal scum, most times. It's all in the player and their ability to keep it going. The test is trying to determine if an attack is for real, or a faint.

As for what you are saying about Moogin, it sounds like you are describing buddying, possible white knighting, or the start of a chain saw defense. With buddying he could be trying to get me to take some pressure off of his scum partner. White knighting owuld imply that Jin is town and that scum!Moogin knows this and hopes to gain town cred in the event of town!Jins death. A chainsaw defense is where someone defends someone else by saying the first attack is scummy, and therefore the first attacker is scum.

[Formerfish]

Also, Jack, your vote still sits on the bench, with Toto voting someone who you said could be scum playing cool. What do you think could happen if you put a pressure vote on Moogin?

[Formerfish]

I'm around if anyone else is.

[Formerfish]

Still waiting for a couple of people to post or get replaced.

True. How much stock do you put into the statistic that says one of those guys is more likely scum?

[Formerfish]

Moo, yeah pretty much. Also, newbie games tend to start a lot slower because of apprehension towards posting.

[Formerfish]

Moo, yeah pretty much. Also, newbie games tend to start a lot slower because of apprehension towards posting.

What's usually the apprehension to posting? Just because people don't know what to post? I feel like I'm the question queen over here haha

Pretty much. Or they are scum and they are afraid to post and do something scummy by accident and get found out.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: invite

[Formerfish]

That's supposed to say unvote.

[Formerfish]

I guess I'll do it again just in case

VOTE: Unvote

[Formerfish]

Here's why. With Jack voting Jin there it put Jin at lynch minus one vote or l-1. At that point another vote would be what is called the hammer and we would have lynched Jin.

[Formerfish]

When putting a person at l-1 you generally announce it so that others are aware that another vote would lynch. In this case you are new and didn't know. It's alright.

Now we can look at the wagon that started on Jin, and see who stayed off it. That info could come into play later dependent on flips.

[Formerfish]

Yes and no. A lynch on page 3 would be risky AF. Does it happen and hit scum, yeah. I don't think thats the way I want to go with him being on lva, the pressure it holds rights now is sufficient.

[Formerfish]

Nice! Active replacements! I'll be around tomorrow, or Saturday.

[Formerfish]

Hello all ^^ will be reading the pages and comming up with some content ^^

Its weird that you call it content here. I don't feel like as town I produce content, that seems like something I would want to do as scum.

[Formerfish]

That sounds like something scum would say. You afraid to put a vote down on someone?

Im not no punk little boy on the school yard. I fought my entire life against people like you, i was fighting in a secret club beforr you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. You wanna know where i was born boy? Huh? Well ill tell you.

Spoiler: This is your answer

Now this is a story all about how
My life got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out maxin' relaxin' all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it."
– "Yo, home to Bel-Air."

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo home smell ya later."
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air

Actually i was born in detroit but thats neither here nor there.

You going to actually answer the question? I could easily make this vote real.

Ill put a vote down.

VOTE: Down

I'll be around if anyone wants to engage with me/dance.

I'm Formerfish by the way, one of you resident SE's or semi-experienced players. I am here to help you through the beginning of your time here at Mafia Scum. If you have any questions shoot them my way, or to any of the SE's and the IC.

Hi, i am Jin, i am also an SE, future IC in the making, here to help you with serious answers. Feel free to ask the IC (TierShift i believe) any questions and if he doesnt jump on the question then i gladly will.

The vote seems forced.

I don't know you yet, but this is sarcasm correct?

[Formerfish]

Jin. I am attempting to figure out your motivation in avoiding RVS. I did a quick dive into your ego search and saw that you don't always start your games this way, and that you have engaged in RVS before.

Why are you being so obstinate about RVS now? You seem like you've been around long enough to know that nonparticipation is frowned upon, and why that would be true.

I kinda don't understand why people think that refusal to participate in RVS (at least in fir ing wagons and all that) should be considered anti-town or at least THAT suspicious. People do tend to make a big deal about it, bur honestly, it is scum who want the RVS to go on as long as possible, as it gives them enough time to mash up with time and build up there mask.

I won't argue that RVS is a must in every game, since without it, it would be almost impossible to get the game truly started.

Scum hide in the fact that they are unable to be caught up in anything. If they avoid someone they can point us in that direction. If they focused on one person we can figure things out about their alignment as well. When someone chooses not to participate in RVS they deny town the ability to gain whatever information they can.

[Formerfish]

pep, why aren't you voting?

Does this matter to you this early in the game?

Obviously it might since he asked. Why are you concerned with why he asked why another player wasn't voting anyone yet?

[Formerfish]

I kinda want to hang one of the replacements simply for the fact that more often than not replace outs in newbie games are scum.

[Formerfish]

Bold where I've "aligned" myself as town, since I'm not really sure what you mean.

[Formerfish]

See, I thought that you might have been talking about that stuff. I don't really know how to answer you here. As an SE I'm here to teach as well as play. Pointing out the proper play as town is part of what I do here. Also, I don't know how to play town any other way that working off the knowledge that I am town and playing accordingly.

[Formerfish]

Ego search me if you want to see my scum games, they are out there.

[Formerfish]

Now Toto, don't be coy. There is 6 pages for you to comment on. What are you seeing? How do you feel about the replacements?

[Formerfish]

Are you going to elaborate on your own, or did something happen in your past were you need to be nudged along each time someone is expecting something from you.

If that is the case, I guess I can deal. However you do acknowledge the fact that Jins shit posting is counterproductive and could be seen as a confusing way of play, and you are being just as dodgy as he was to my questions.

[Formerfish]

Ok. So If I make a good theory about scum!formerfish will you vote him with me?

You aren't voting me now...

I'll get to you later Toto. I dislike the avenue of attack you've chosen as it's flawed and shitty. Do you normally make flawed and shitty arguments against people? What is your record of flawed and shitty scumreads turning into scum flips?

[Formerfish]

See, to join something there has to be the beginning of something. Right now you don't have a bit on me. And I'm going to go on record saying this now:

Coming after me is a mistake. If you are building a case on me it is going to be flawed and will turn into a witch hunt. Although if you want to push a bullshit mislynch then by all means go ahead. Don't be surprised when it fails though, cause it will.

[Formerfish]

Ok. So If I make a good theory about scum!formerfish will you vote him with me?

You aren't voting me now...

I'll get to you later Toto. I dislike the avenue of attack you've chosen as it's flawed and shitty. Do you normally make flawed and shitty arguments against people? What is your record of flawed and shitty scumreads turning into scum flips?

Im waiting to see who your partner is. Dont you worry. Ill get you lynched today.

I noticed you failed to answer my questions again. If I have to continue to pull answers out of you like bad teeth imma consider that a scum claim, and unlike whatever you think you're going to use to lynch me, I will see you hang as a result.

[Formerfish]

I get town feels from Toto. Mostly gut for now, but I like him for now.

You may be getting town feels, but do you think his line of thinking is correct?

[Formerfish]

Ok. How often do your day 1 reads end up being accurate?

[Formerfish]

While Fish attacks Jin for not voting in RVS he doesn't say anything about Fykus, who is also not voting RVS. At the same time he questions me for RVS voting Moogin instead of any of pre-existing wagons. Why ask that question if he feels RVS voting is what people should be doing? He is not being consistent in his line of questioning and thoughts.

Now he asks me how accurate my day 1 reads are. Why would you ask that question as TOWN? IT MAKES NO SENSE. Seriously, if we don't lynch this guy after asking this question I don't know what else to tell you.

Jin is an SE in this game and knows the way the game is usually played. I apologize if I am going to hold the SE's and Ic in this game to a higher standard of play. Fykus is a new player who is playing in their first game and doesn't know the way it is normally played. For him my reaction is going to be a little bit different. Same way as if a child hit me I would talk to them, but if an adult did it I'd beat their ass.

And yes I did ask you a question. And then you were never on when I was. Then you threw a naked vote down. And then there is this weird thing that happened where I tried to engage you but you acted cagey as hell and nothing was accomplished. I remember that happening, and then you started spouting off some of the most imaginative stuff I've heard recently. Then I called you on your bullshit.

Consistency is a bullshit concept in this game because everyone is at a different skill level, which is eveident nowhere else more than it is here where we are literally divided into different levels based on our experience. You don't treat everyone the same, or you do and suck for it.

And yes I ask about your accuracy. I did a quick meta dive on you and saw that you just finished a game as scum where you lead the mislynch of a vt on day 1. I want to know how accurate your reads are on day 1. Why you ask? Because I am trying to figure out if you are town with a hard-on for the wrong person, or scum trying to lay the foundation of the first mislynch.

I'll be working backwards here, so be prepared.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Fish

It's funny. Someone comes out of left field with a fully formed read on page what, 6 or 7, and there seams to be no question about it, right? Well imagine a world where you are wrong (that is going to be this world, its just the same one we are already in) and pushing this is going to lead only to your lynch and my death. We can forget all the other shit right now and make this about you and me, but I assure you that the outcome will not be favorable to you, so if you are town, you need to reconsider your target here and take me at my word for the moment.

[Formerfish]

You guys don't find it odd that Fish doesn't scum read me? Why is he not wondering if I'm scum trying to get rid of him? I'm pretty much defending his BS attack on Jin which apparently is his top scum read and why is he not wondering if I'm Jin's partner.

This is an interesting post to make before you and I really had a chance to sit across from each other and test the waters. Like I said i made an attempt the other night and it went nowhere. Now you say this before I have a chance to really sit down with the thread at home and respond, you ask why im not scum reading you. So now if I come out and say that I am it looks like I am just reacting how i think people think I should. And if I dont react then that is scummy.

I will point out that Toto on me is what seems to be a classic display of a chainsaw defense for Jin, so if anything I would say that maybe Toto is pissed off scum (you know since I smoked Jin out on page 1) trying to discredit me by pulling together a weak ass case and then hardlining me.

[Formerfish]

LMAO so that was a real question?

Do you normally make flawed and shitty arguments against people? What is your record of flawed and shitty scumreads turning into scum flips?

I"ve always loved the "I don't like the way you phrased the question, so I'm not going to answer it" technique. I especially love when I rephrase without all of the intended bite and still being told that I'm not going to get an answer.

When this is someone who is willing to lay a scum read on me based off the fact that there was a question I haven't been militant about getting an answer for, i find it funny that they are so resistant to actually answering any of them.

[Formerfish]

Toto what's up with that complacent tone? Why are you acting like this?

Toto, I'll put this here too since I don't remember seeing a reply to it. Guess that means that Tier is my partner, right? Cause they aren't pressuring you to answer that question.

[Formerfish]

Then I called you on your bullshit.

wait, where did you do this exactlY?

I know that nuance can be difficult to understand, but I'll show where I believe it was evident that I thought your line of thinking was contrived.

Are you going to elaborate on your own, or did something happen in your past were you need to be nudged along each time someone is expecting something from you.

If that is the case, I guess I can deal. However you do acknowledge the fact that Jins shit posting is counterproductive and could be seen as a confusing way of play, and you are being just as dodgy as he was to my questions.

Up to this point your entire iso reads:
1. VOTE: MooginSoosy Hi!
2. I like the RSPS idea. BUT. This is a newbie. We should not encourage such behaviors. Yet.
3. Still waiting for a couple of people to post or get replaced.
4. Fykus what's your take on FormerFish's aggressiveness and questioning?
5. VOTE: Fykus
6. What would you like to hear from me?
7. Fykus is probably scum.

Thats not even me paraphrasing your posts. Those are the actual posts. So yeah, I need you to talk about your reads and the way that they progressed so that I can determine your alignment. See we are at a point now where thats the only important thing.

Ok. So If I make a good theory about scum!formerfish will you vote him with me?

You aren't voting me now...

I'll get to you later Toto.

I dislike the avenue of attack you've chosen as it's flawed and shitty.

Do you normally make flawed and shitty arguments against people? What is your record of flawed and shitty scumreads turning into scum flips?

I think that calling someones views flawed and shitty is a pretty direct way of calling someone on some bullshit line of thinking. Can you think of a better or more direct way?

[Formerfish]

I"ve always loved the "I don't like the way you phrased the question, so I'm not going to answer it"

I'll return the favor: how often does this happen to you when you are scum?

I'm not sure what you are asking here. How often do people not answer questions I ask when I am scum?

[Formerfish]

pushing this is going to lead only to your lynch and my death.

Fine. You claimed PR. Making sure this is in my ISO if I get NK'ed tonight and not the supposed PR. You might as well do a full claim so we can confirm you and move on.

Not a fucking chance am I going to claim right now. What benefit does this give to the town right now? The only thing that me full claiming would do is give the scum team knowledge of who else might be in the game for us, and where they should shoot tonight. With the shitty push on me, and this right here is enough for you to see rope imo.

[Formerfish]

Toto what's up with that complacent tone? Why are you acting like this?

Toto, I'll put this here too since I don't remember seeing a reply to it. Guess that means that Tier is my partner, right? Cause they aren't pressuring you to answer that question.

I don't know what a complacent tone is

In our previous game you seemed like you wanted to work with everyone. In this game, you act like you know it all without interacting a whole lot.

What was his alignment in the previous game? Do you think his behavior this game is alignment indicative?

[Formerfish]

Fish, what is your read on toto?

Probable scum, excellent day 1 lynch prospect.

VOTE: Toto

[Formerfish]

Nydusher I also don't recall seeing something useful from you. Who's scum?

Tot and fish you really need to stop yur pathetic dance because we need the newbies to participate more not hide behind and inbetween your walls

I don't even know how to take that last line. First you call toto and I out for our "pathetic" yet our dance caused you to post all of the following posts and has helped progress the game past RVS into the actual game play. Now we have things to work off of and are better able to make decisions. I just dont know how all the posts below turn into you chastising us for having the conflict in the first place.

Second, implying that since we are posting it means that we are harming the game or the progression is ridiculous. Anyone can chime in on anything that is being said, and can pick sides of who they think is right and why.

Toto what's up with that complacent tone? Why are you acting like this?

Toto, I'll put this here too since I don't remember seeing a reply to it. Guess that means that Tier is my partner, right? Cause they aren't pressuring you to answer that question.

I don't know what a complacent tone is

In our previous game you seemed like you wanted to work with everyone. In this game, you act like you know it all without interacting a whole lot.

Toto however confident you are in your bullshit argument there is absolutely NO PLACE AT ALL talking about PR's day 1.

While Fish attacks Jin for not voting in RVS he doesn't say anything about Fykus, who is also not voting RVS. At the same time he questions me for RVS voting Moogin instead of any of pre-existing wagons. Why ask that question if he feels RVS voting is what people should be doing? He is not being consistent in his line of questioning and thoughts.

Now he asks me how accurate my day 1 reads are. Why would you ask that question as TOWN? IT MAKES NO SENSE. Seriously, if we don't lynch this guy after asking this question I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm wondering if this is a serious case or just trying to probe

Fish, what is your read on toto?

[Formerfish]

PR= power role.

In this setup town has a max of 2 power roles and a minimum of 1.

Toto wants me to reveal which one I am. Can anyone enlighten the class as to why I don't give a fuck about what he says? Scum will have to kill me tonight to figure out my role.

[Formerfish]

More votes are needed on the guy role fishing for a full claim from me.

[Formerfish]

And why as town is it important to know which I am?

[Formerfish]

Unless Toto is trying to say he's also PR and wants you to make it public in order to see if you claimed the role he has or not. Does that happen ever? Also I never saw where fish explicitly claims PR, he only says it would be really bad for the town if he was lynched and if he claimed it would likely result in Toto being lynched today and fish being killed in the night

What he did is called a softclaim. I just want to make sure that everyone saw it in case he survives the night. For two reasons:

1) If I saw it scum probably did too.
2) I don't trust his softclaim so early. Specially to ME. I'm his primary suspect. Why would he tell me he is a PR?

[Formerfish]

I just think that it is ridiculous that two of the seasoned players in this game are telling you to not go down a path of investigation that is way the fuck out of bounds for someone with towns interest in mind, and yet I have to explain it again.

You ask why I came out to you, a guy who I am scum reading. I told you that I was trying to sort you, and that your push on me was bad. We could have played cat and mouse for a few days where we go back and forth with walls and walls and accusations that we cant substantiate today. We get to a point where I eventually have to claim anyways because I am not letting us get into a deadline lynch. And then maybe I actually have to full claim, and not do what I did here. I headed you off at the pass, and forced this into a you or me situation. In that one you are going to die every time. I came out to you the way I did to prove a fucking point to you and to see how you played it. I notice your vote is still on me. Strange. Usually when someone claims a pr in a game I unfuckingvote them.

And I will answer your other question with a question of my own. Please answer it.

What benefit does town gain from me full claiming?

[Formerfish]

And why as town is it important to know which I am?

I don't care which PR you are.

All I care is whether you are telling the truth or not

. There is only two ways to know:

1) You die.
2) You tell us which PR you are.

If you don't care about what PR I am then why ask? At this point you kinda have to believe me until shit dictates otherwise.

And this doesn't answer how that information becoming public knowledge would benefit the town.

[Formerfish]

You won't know if I am a real PR until all roles are known. For me to be cleared for say, I dunno, Cop, that would mean that the doctor came forward, or that we massclaimed and every other town member came out as vt.

Then we have both PRs outed and scum can take us out at will.

There is no benefit for town to have this information out there.

And your vote is still on the claimed pr.

[Formerfish]

Yeah? Hows that work?

[Formerfish]

We looking for a CC?

[Formerfish]

And that doesn't confirm what role I am.

[Formerfish]

I am town and I'll claim at the time of my choosing and in the manner I decide.

See that's the beauty of being a PR. There is no ambiguity about my play because eventually I will be shuffled off this mortal coil. Then is when the fun starts because if you don't get lynched today, Toto, you probably will tomorrow when I flip green as fuck.

[Formerfish]

He's saying that if you are town then you are playing a horrible game. If you are scum then you are doing the best you can to recover after running into a PR when you didn't expect it.

[Formerfish]

Unless you don't make it out of the day today and your partner missed it?

Seriously dude, I think I'm about done dealing with you. Your game play is ridiculous as town, and I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall trying to discuss anything with you.

Town dont point out softclaims. They recognize them, then they shut the fuck up about it until it is necessary for it to be vocalized. Think about it like a shut#out. You don't talk about the shut#out until it's over.

[Formerfish]

Fuck you Toto.

[Formerfish]

Stop with all the bullshit, if he's around tomorrow we power lynch his ass.

[Formerfish]

If you are town then I hope you up your game before I ever see you in a game thread again.


Ninja- I want him dead. I think that rope will be the only way that happens. either he is just scum, or mislynch bait now.

[Formerfish]

345 was me putting words in totos mouth.

[Formerfish]

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. I'm saying that on the off chance that you are town, an outcome that I have no faith in being true, that your game is horrible.

[Formerfish]

See here's my theory of what just happened here. I feel like Toto is scum. He attacked me in a very odd manner, coming to form very concrete views based off of "reasons," and he wasn't expecting to run into a PR. He spazed and went completely off the rails. He knew that the only thing he could do was fully commit and scortch earth. That way you, Radiant, could come in all calm and be like "yo, I'm chill, let's not fight, bygones right?"

Nope.

The slot is toxic and needs to hang. The slot will not be a nk target now because of the wifom it creates. I will be cleared eventually, this slot won't until we hang it.

[Formerfish]

Wow, that sounds exactly like what scum would say to try and discredit a legit push on caught scum. How about I believe that you and I do not have the same interests in mind, and that I think you should see rope for yours. What then?

I think I am doing something positive for town and you are obviously going to say whatever you can to stay alive and not be the lunch today. As a VT you should be ready and willing to sacrifice yourself in a moment like this when, like I said, your slot is toxic. You are a wifom machine right now and the bests way forward is throigh you.

[Formerfish]

Wait a minute. You're Titus?

[Formerfish]

What the fuck was all that?

[Formerfish]

I'm ending a long stretch of days on today. I'll have the next 3 off. I'll be around.

[Formerfish]

I'll be around today. Yesterday was the first time I've seen my daughter in about a week, and as much as I like you chuckle fucks, I love that little girl to pieces and we had some cuddle time scheduled on the couch.

I'll be honest here too, I hate the tone this game has taken. I hated Toto for being over the top and cocksure about what he was doing, especially since I know that his initial premise was faulty to begin with. I really don't like the attitudes of RC or Grey from the little I've read in the last few days. RC scolded me here

And formerfish get the fuck over yourself I'm the saltiest mafia player ever and I don't rage at newbies for being newbies in the fucking newbie queue.

and then berates newbies left and right. I don't like the empty statements about how someone was obviously town, and then have nothing to back it up with. RC you and Grey both pulled that one.

So here's what I am doing. I am resetting my reads.

Tiershift needs prodded and needs to be put into a chair in the middle of a dark room with one weak ass light over him. Tier, you have been basically non-existent in this game, which wouldn't normally be an issue, but you are the IC. You claimed at one point that you wanted to keep your reads to yourself so that you didn't influence people. Then you naked voted and called for people to sheep you. Wouldn't you rather someone sheep a well thought out and logical read on someone than a naked vote. How can the rest of us sort you if we never see the man behind the curtain?

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: tiershift

[Formerfish]

That's a terrible excuse to not vote scum.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, and especially when I talked about resetting all of my reads. (Which I guess to me means going back and reading everything over, but that might not be as obvious to everyone)

I think that I've found something scummy. I am going to explore that to see if I'm right or wrong.

Do you have a case on someone you want to make sure I read, then point it out. If you don't like my vote explain why it's a bad choice and who a better one would be. Jesus.

[Formerfish]

Posture harder, fish.

It's not like I nailed scum ON THIS VERY PAGE or anything.

And it's not like I said I'm going g to go back and reread the entire game so far to figure out where my head is at. Why are you pounding so hard and being such a dick while doing it?

[Formerfish]

Cool story, keep on dicking then I suppose. I don't need a guilty, but thanks for outing yourself as the cop...

Something Fykus did earlier in the game pinged me at one point, but then I lost it. I will look for it on the reread.

[Formerfish]

I love grocery stores in my area. Where else can you drop you kid off at a free child care area, go to the in store bar, drink and watch football?

Grey. Scale of 1 to scum, how 10 is Fykus?

[Formerfish]

Just what scum would say.

[Formerfish]

I like you Grey. You're a straight shooter. We shouldn't be at odds.

[Formerfish]

Formerfish chainsaw on fykus if fykus is scum, and I don't think grey is scum. Either way, I think formerfish is town as well and would like to divert this back to tiershift. Would you like to explain your vote on me RC?

You need me to be calling grey scum for it to be a chainsaw.

[Formerfish]

NY I like you to.

[Formerfish]

Oh fuck. We've entered into an "only scum would say that" hole.

The only thing that'll bring us out is a scum lynch.

[Formerfish]

Grey, what'd I do to get into top tier town for you?

[Formerfish]

And jack, intent has been made on you (in a way) which means you should claim in you next post thereabouts.

[Formerfish]

I'm glad to see that in a roundabout way we came back to RC being scum.

[Formerfish]

Im with jack. VOTE: grey

Well that was weird.

[Formerfish]

I'm here to put him back at legit l-1 if that's where we would like to be grey.

I'm with you on this, and think we'll hit scum here.

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Jack

Claim son.

[Formerfish]

You cheeky fucker.

[Formerfish]

Fair, but I was hoping for a fake claim. I love fake claims.

[Formerfish]

They wouldn't have to. Not if I'm here.

[Formerfish]

I think scum is in RC/Tier.

NY is cool, so are you grey.

Pep is mostly good.

Moog could go either way.

Fykus is new and could legit be anything.

[Formerfish]

Grey, if I were to stop by for drinks tonight would you be free?

[Formerfish]

I'm more of a vodka lover, where would you look for such fine spirits?

[Formerfish]

Snoochi boochi, bitches. No one can hold me down!

[Formerfish]

Someone is lurking the fuck out of this thread. Just saying.

[Formerfish]

After the game I'll teach you a better way to lurk.

[Formerfish]

My reads are all fucked up right now. I worry about Grey with the cocksureness he went for the lynch of a newbie where the lynch of RC would have told us the same, and if RC was scum with someone, why go after the newbie first. The clearing of RC that you see worries me a bit too.

Tier, I don't know about you. You were a shade for most of day 1. I hope to see more of you now that day 2 has started and we have a bit more to go on.

I still think RC could be scum, I don't put much stock in associative tells.

Pep does need to get in here more and help us figure out where to go though.

I'm not going to say much else right now. I'm going to wait until everyone posts to keep going

[Formerfish]

We are still waiting for some people to check in right?

Mod: maybe send out PMs saying the day has started if you haven't already?

[Formerfish]

Are we at a point to where this is just basically solved?

[Formerfish]

I'm totally bulletproof by the way. Just in case there was any question.

[Formerfish]

I'll have to go back and see, but the person who shit on my idea that one of the two early game replacements were scum based off site percentages has grown as a suspect to me.

If they wanted to sway me away from their partner, an easy way to do that is discredit my theory and the numbers that supported it.

[Formerfish]

You really should read the game before jumping in.

You haven't done yourself any favors at all.

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

What if this is Grey telling his partner to check SCUM TOPIC where he told them to CLAIM TRACKER?

How do you ISO two people in one thread? What if you put Grey next to pep and see what kind of interaction they've had so far.

[Formerfish]

I'll try to do some vca tonight when I get out of work.

[Formerfish]

I want to lynch Grey here. I think that RC was on to something with the "go to the scum thread, idiot" post he postulates.

Also, this would allow me to say I told you so twice this game if Jin turns out to be scum. I'll probably die tonight, so good luck guys.

VOTE: Grey

[Formerfish]

Why is that a wow? I am the last actual conftown. Why would scum leave me alive?

[Formerfish]

Thats an interesting way to say i dont trust you to pull this off if it comes down to me.

[Formerfish]

Because im not an idiot grey. I know that I may be wrong, and what I'm saying is that if i am wrong, then I'm probably going out with you so #yolo

[Formerfish]

No, but I would like to go for grey first because i think that if it were to be fykus that whichever of us he doesnt kill will be able to sniff him out. And don't discount the idea that it could be Tier too.

[Formerfish]

What's the proof?

[Formerfish]

That's proof to you? I'm good.

Ninja: newbies who think they are being cleaver?

[Formerfish]

Oh jeez. I guess I should just pack it up and fuck off.

[Formerfish]

I dunno, I guess to expect anything other than a fucking prick would have been wishful thinking.

But please continue to call me names. Really makes me wanna work with you. YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING IM FUCKING CONFTOWN HERE BRO.

[Formerfish]

Obviously. And if someone came up with a compelling argument for someone other than you, I would consider it and then make my own fucking decision because I'm allowed to do that.

Ninja: well since you know I'm town and I don't know if you are then wouldn't the impetus be on you to show how you are town or who else to look at?

[Formerfish]

.I did, but you decided to be a lazy, useless ass and discard everything I had to say because it wasn't spoon-fed to you and actually required a little research.

Or I took it for what is was, and decided not to believe it. And believe another thing. Which is what makes you mad. I get it. Don't be a cocksucker about it.

[Formerfish]

I kinda want to hang one of the replacements simply for the fact that more often than not replace outs in newbie games are scum.

False. Replacing out is NAI.

It's a shady move to suggest lynching someone because of something they have no control over.

Told you I'd find this.

[Formerfish]

Grey, there is a stat that says newbies who replace out have a high chance of being scum. It's a fucking fact man. You may not agree with the practice, but you can't disagree with the stat itself.

And it ended up being fucking right didn't it? You were so ready to dissuade me or anyone else from that line of thinking.

[Formerfish]

Grey, there is a stat that says newbies who replace out have a high chance of being scum. It's a fucking fact man. You may not agree with the practice, but you can't disagree with the stat itself.

And it ended up being fucking right didn't it? You were so ready to dissuade me or anyone else from that line of thinking.

I don't give a fuck what you have to say. All your bullshit isn't going to change the color of my role pm.

It's a lazy, retarded ass excuse to scumread somebody, end of story.

Awesome, then hang.

[Formerfish]

Cool story bro. Sorry I didn't just fall in line with whatever you said and have independent ideas. But sure. I'll go fuck myself?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Unvote

I can see that being a thing.

VOTE: TierShift

[Formerfish]

I'm not sure where to go from here. Grey is making sense, which I hate. Kinda like I hate that I am not hard scum reading you like I feel I should be. You are making sense, to a point. So is grey. I think we have one chance to make a wrong choice here. If tier goes on he'll be lynch bait the rest of the game.

I feel like we can flesh out the final scum over the course of the rest of this game.

[Formerfish]

I'm around. I'm recovering right now from seeing my team pull off the greatest comeback of any super bowl victory.

[Formerfish]

Is that where we landed? I had him as so town up til now...

[Formerfish]

We need a flow chart of everything that's happened so far. Fucking flow charts man.

[Formerfish]

Honestly at this point I almost don't even give a fuck. Everyone looks scummy to me right now. Let me catch up a bit and we'll see how froggy I feel.

[Formerfish]

This game is starting to make my head hurt. Why out of everyone acting scummy does NY deserve to be the first to see rope?

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Nydush

[Formerfish]

That's l-1