Micro 678: Grand Idea Mafia! - GAME OVER!

[Crystal Maiden]

We definitely are not no lynching.

I'm vote less means town already have one less vote.

I am Crystal Maiden! Nice to meet you all! <3

[Crystal Maiden]

I can't vote :O

[Crystal Maiden]

VOTE: No lynch

It will be confirmed in next VC ^.^

[Crystal Maiden]

VOTE: No lynch

It will be confirmed in next VC ^.^

why are YOU no lynching as well???? my vote STAYS

I don't have any votes!

I am voteless!

[Crystal Maiden]

and as I said we are not no lynching. This is a grand idea and I am already voteless which means we have one less vote toward majority

which sucks! No lynching is stupid specially in a probably multi ball micro

[Crystal Maiden]

why are you so desperate for no lynch??? i dont UNDERSTAND,, you know that no lynch is anti-town RIGHT??

WHAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SUBMIT TO MY WILL AND OBEY

Hey

this is a bastard game that confirm might be fake - stop pretending its 100% mod confirmed that you are town >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

WOOT see, that was easy

you obey

things go well

exactly what went well?

[Crystal Maiden]

oO

You sure are capable of trolling

I am voteless by the way, Not weak. Weak is something else!

[Crystal Maiden]

K Drealmerz is a jester probably

[Crystal Maiden]

everyone from this point forward ignore drealmerz posts and whatever. Vig should shoot him tonight if any

with <3 drealm

one slot solved 7 more to go

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm sure I saw a Jester with fake force confirm IC in greater idea thread.

I will try to find it out later. Bye! <3

[Crystal Maiden]

I mean grand idea thread*

[Crystal Maiden]

looks like drealm MIGHT be jester but can jester truly be INNOCENT?? only TOWN can be innocent,, or did i understand the concept of INNOCENT wrong,, KAIN TEPES................

This game might get bastard

Mod can lie.

[Crystal Maiden]

OMG LIES SCUM

Let me give you some advise! As a jester never spam the thread or do weird things! you just need to act casual then slip in a manner a scum might do. The "act casual" part is crucial for that

[Crystal Maiden]

i searched JESTER,, there are no JESTERS that will receive DECLARATIONS OF INNOCENCE...........!!

Let me check

I'm sure I saw that role before!

[Crystal Maiden]

was that a day action mute?

[Crystal Maiden]

crystal did you find anything?????? i really cannot find a innocent jester,, i think that will also be unfair because innocent jester cannot WIN,, and MOD SAID ALL CAN WIN in opening post,,

so i dont think drealm is jester............

Screenplay why you come in and JUMP on my not mafia wagon without POSTING OTHER THINGS

I can swear I saw that role before.

I need more time to search

[Crystal Maiden]

i really don't think drealm is jester............. he may be scum but not jester,, if he's jester then he EFFECTIVELY CANNOT WIN,, and mod said EVERYONE CAN POTENTIALLY WIN,, so i wont discount the chance that DREALM IS A SCUM.........

well he could win if he was behaving better - shrugs

I will try to see my old games later to see if I can find anything or not.

[Crystal Maiden]

He can't be anything but jester with these posts >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

Whats the exact use of a night skip if we no lynch?!

its just a longer day ... :/

[Crystal Maiden]

huh

[Crystal Maiden]

I am here! The legendary KAIN TEPES!!!!!!!!! I have GRACED you all WITH my presence!!!!!!!...!!!!!

VOTE: Screenplay

That was weird/confusing

huh

can you guys put some pressure on screen play for me

STOP THE CRAP NOW AND GET DIFFERENT AVIs!

I love Kain Tepes too though! <3 Can you please tell your fans to shut up ?

[Crystal Maiden]

It was obvious anyway!

This is a moderation alt of me for DotA mafia

[Crystal Maiden]

it was obvious, you didn't have me fooled AT ALL, but, I was hoping to have you fooled that you didn't have me fooled

NOW VOTE NO LYNCH

I actually never tried to fool anyone blegh

The reason I choose this acc was just that I wanted to use it at some point!

and you dork! I'm voteless

[Crystal Maiden]

ok I didn't mean to insult! - was just socializing - sorry

[Crystal Maiden]

LMFAO

[Crystal Maiden]

I prefer to ignore drealm for now and to focus elsewhere

[Crystal Maiden]

Innocent Scumbag

Mod-confirmed innocent who has to act as scummy as possible. Will win if lynched, can also win with town. If investigated the night before, suddenly acts pro-town the next day.

I have determined that this is in fact dreal's role

UNVOTE:

Why so sure??

why are you trying to focus town attention on drealm today?

[Crystal Maiden]

VOTE: crystal

what is that about?

[Crystal Maiden]

I never said to ignore dreal completly, I am intended to ignore his spam.

There are always other ways to deal with a spammer like that anyway.

Trying to focus on spammer is exactly what I think is scummy though.

[Crystal Maiden]

But how is what screen did different from what you did? Asking a question on the topic does not really constitute trying to focus town in that direction...

what I did was bringing something really obvious to attention - pointing it out - discussing it and closing the discussion cause nothing more should be done about that topic atm with a lynch for obvious reasons

what he is doing is posting lightweighted - surface level questions about stuff related to him to make everyone focused on the slot.

[Crystal Maiden]

This game is indeed frustrating :/

I am like a tiger without fangs >.>

how can I push people without being able to vote >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

I called it that cause it had no scumhunting or evaluation/progress in it. It wasn't asked to help him or anyone in sorting your or drealmz, it was just asked to poke everyone "hey! infinity thinks this is drealmz role, lets talk about drealmz!"

if he was truely sumhunting he would search the roles and would say, hey look at this one. This might be the case as well because X and Y. or if he was trying to see your reasoning he would say "this is bad!" or if he was supporting you he would say "this is a good view!" if he was asking for clarification he would say "I think because X and Y, Z might be the case. am I missing something?"

he is not scum hunting - he apears active = he is a scum lean of mine

why you think that question wasn't light wighted or in surface level?

[Crystal Maiden]

But how is what screen did different from what you did? Asking a question on the topic does not really constitute trying to focus town in that direction...

what I did was bringing something really obvious to attention - pointing it out - discussing it and closing the discussion cause nothing more should be done about that topic atm with a lynch for obvious reasons

what he is doing is posting lightweighted - surface level questions about stuff related to him to make everyone focused on the slot.

What would you rather discuss CM?

The fact your trying to apear sirious but not giving out any opinions for example.

[Crystal Maiden]

plenty of voteless scum in the Grand Idea thread
VOTE: crystal
come at me bro!
oh wait...

what is this post supposed to mean?

[Crystal Maiden]

I meant

"plenty of voteless scum in the Grand Idea thread
VOTE: crystal"

wtf is this. there are plenty of town voteless there as well. How is that fact related to me? >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

I am town voteless Vigilant

Drealm will die tonight.

now get your votes on real scum - screenplay thanks

[Crystal Maiden]

Whoever instahammers is CONFSCUM

[Crystal Maiden]

oh lets flashlynch frozne angel

she is a good player and will find us all

wtf is this crap

pedit : what about finding scum even without a vote is scummy?

vote screen play

I will kill this spammer tonight >.>

FUCK OFF DREALM I HAVE NET ISSUES LET ME FUCKING POST

[Crystal Maiden]

LIKE MY FACE IS red as the tomatos in the kitchen

how the fuck did my wagon reach L1 like that?

[Crystal Maiden]

But how is what screen did different from what you did? Asking a question on the topic does not really constitute trying to focus town in that direction...

what I did was bringing something really obvious to attention - pointing it out - discussing it and closing the discussion cause nothing more should be done about that topic atm with a lynch for obvious reasons

what he is doing is posting lightweighted - surface level questions about stuff related to him to make everyone focused on the slot.

What would you rather discuss CM?

The fact your trying to apear sirious but not giving out any opinions for example.

I have given an opinion. I thought Not Mafia was acting strange.

I was trying to see if we can come to a consensus on dreamz being a jester. When I play the Starcraft mod sometimes when we find a jester early I will offer to help him win his game if he helps town to win there's. Basically seeing if we could get a neutral to join towns side.

Everyone else I don't have an opinion yet.

You were trying to Build a councious and force the conversation from what I've saw. The problem is not that you have no opinion on others but that you wern't trying to make one and you were just hoping around directing the conversation to look active

[Crystal Maiden]

HUSH YOURSELF AND VOTE NO LYNCH

I DON'T HAVE A VOTE!

[Crystal Maiden]

Jesus christ

[Crystal Maiden]

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

But you are reacting.

The fact your trying to fake calmness in it is fake

[Crystal Maiden]

He is buddying me and sheeping me

I'm not sure what should I make of that

[Crystal Maiden]

what do you mean protecting me?

[Crystal Maiden]

way to misrepresent my case on you.

and as I said I'm not sure what to make of not mafia yet. Thats what I said. Nothing else. Way to misrepresent it again

[Crystal Maiden]

It didn't look like a question at all

pedit : and you are saying it again.

No You are scum because what you did earlier is exactly what scum would do.

My read on Not mafia is simply not related. I just need to see more content from him and information to figure him out,

Don't even try to pretend my read on you is related to my read on him

[Crystal Maiden]

No we are lynching this scumbag today

get your vote back on him.

[Crystal Maiden]

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

[Crystal Maiden]

Cause its screaming being fake - that you already know the answer of it

The wagon on me happened just when I accused you of diverting attention. coincidence?

[Crystal Maiden]

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Please don't say that. I would hate to be the reason you never play here again.

anyone who knows me, knows how good my reads are.

Your fake ate won't pass throw me just self vote at this rate

[Crystal Maiden]

There are no such thing as coinidences Infinity

and yes the fact you didn't change your vote is weird too.

The fact you were accusing me of being assosciative with not mafia earlier without dareing to actually say the words is weird

now you can't vote me cause I claimed a provable role and you know you can't fight me 1v1

[Crystal Maiden]

I can't believe I'm considered the weird one in this game!?!?

Diverting attention.

Apeasing

Vote this guy

[Crystal Maiden]

My stubborness got two tracker guilty in a row after claiming macho tracker day 1

My stubborness made me the only town with the right reads on saga

My stubborness is actually not even realted to why you need to die.

[Crystal Maiden]

Never said you were being an associative of Not Mafia. It's going to take a lot more post before I can say anyone is with anyone.

No you said that to people subcounscious when you asked an obvious rehotrical fake question about how my read on him is related to my read on you.

[Crystal Maiden]

If you ever think I am diverting say something. Put me back on track. I don't think I have but if so it was not done on purpose.

You were hinting on drealmz again

right in the middle of me pressuring you

[Crystal Maiden]

Have some humility and step back and see where it didn't do you or anyone else good.

I don't have any votes

Are you scared that I'm actually showing others what kind of scum are you?

[Crystal Maiden]

If you ever think I am diverting say something. Put me back on track. I don't think I have but if so it was not done on purpose.

You were hinting on drealmz again

right in the middle of me pressuring you

Where?

479

[Crystal Maiden]

Everyone explain to me why is he town or vote him in your next post.

pedit : oh, so your trying to imply I have a wrong self confidence?

well my self confidence is not wrong. You are scummy, I will point that out and will try to get you lynched.

pedit : what new meaning? What you meant from other slots in that post then?

[Crystal Maiden]

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

[Crystal Maiden]

You said you find my stubbornness game ruiner I pointed out to valid meta that its not.

whenever I'm stubborn I point out to scum. I get stubborn when I'm pointing at scum.

how is attacking the meta you don't know is related to the case about you?

[Crystal Maiden]

FA, the problem with stubbornness is that everyone is wrong sometimes.

You don't need to lucture me about mafia and stubborness and tunnel vision

I'm perfectly capabole of giving second chances and evaluating my reads as content goes forward.

[Crystal Maiden]

Point out the times you have been wrong in your game play.

ah I've been wrong for being to good to be town in some games

I have a weakness against lurkers

when someone does something scummy I will pressure them hard, They have to save themselves with showing me their town- but unfortunatly some town gave up so my pressure might end in a mislynch

Thats all my weaknesses. otherwise I'm perfect thank you very much

[Crystal Maiden]

They practically diverted all teh concerns I mentioned in game by trying to discredit my meta and trying to make me confess I made some errors in past as well.

That slot is not town.

[Crystal Maiden]

Everyone explain to me why is he town or vote him in your next post.

pedit : oh, so your trying to imply I have a wrong self confidence?

well my self confidence is not wrong. You are scummy, I will point that out and will try to get you lynched.

pedit : what new meaning? What you meant from other slots in that post then?

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

dodged posts ^

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm wrong. I can't find my answer to 496.

I don't know what you are doing. I do know that I can't make quick judgements on you. I don't see where you think I'm acting scumy. So in my eyes it looks like a faked force push on me. But I know you can be stubborn so it could be that. I dont know.

But we will all find out later.

when?

[Crystal Maiden]

ah drealmerz You can fuck off <3

[Crystal Maiden]

When will you try to find that out?

[Crystal Maiden]

Holding middle ground to see when can I use this for an optimal push

Your so opportunistic and calculated about your reads

pedit : I am a fucking developer on this site drealm, don't force me to make a reverse isolation function in games

[Crystal Maiden]

Your driving no bus - your spams won't do anything game wise

and your getting a bullet in your head tonight

period

[Crystal Maiden]

do whatever you like

I'm not breaking any rules

no your not
Thats why a moderator should put a rule against spamming in his op post

[Crystal Maiden]

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

You will figure out the most optimal time for pushing me?

That feels oppourtunistic middle ground stage scums would have

[Crystal Maiden]

Cause I'm the one who is going to shoot you in your face

now sheep me please <3

[Crystal Maiden]

If your post restriction is to be scummy then spamming is not that

its just annoying as fuck

If your a jester your getting shot

fair deal that will save the game

[Crystal Maiden]

will you shoot me still if I promise to behave?

I'm good at getting second chances

[Crystal Maiden]

Jester won't win with town

its just one of te scums in the game we won't help them to win cause their annoying as fuck

giving*

[Crystal Maiden]

The rest of the images have been removed. Excessively long posts and anything that unreasonably affects the ability of players' browsers to read the pages are no longer allowed. ~ kirro

ty mod! <3

[Crystal Maiden]

who do you want shot drealmerz?

[Crystal Maiden]

So you think I'm town? where is that coming from?

and who is scummiest in your opinion?

[Crystal Maiden]

so why you trust my shot judgement if your nt sure about your read on me?

[Crystal Maiden]

he's been too supportive of me while I've been negatively affecting the gamestate

who said I trust your shot judgement?

whoever you think is scummiest

?!!

[Crystal Maiden]

Good. God. I tired reading through all the bullcrap, and I think I'm just going to ignore Sergeant Spam from here on out. Holy shit.

Infinity looks town, and I really don't feel like searching through to see if scum DV is a thing to confirm that theory at a 100% rate.

... I've never seen NM this active before. Something feels off.

Nice to meet you, Screenplay. Yeah, I got a prod, even though the game isn't 48 hours old yet <_<. How kind of you to not notice.

Instinctively TTTT looks town, but I can't be sure.

Mod

: is the vote count correct? In 126, I had a vote. In 175 it appeared SAJ stole it. In 553, I had none and the number of total votes dropped.

Um... I'll give it a shot, but...

VOTE: Screenplay

It's just weird that you didn't even recognize I was a player in this game. Plus, griping about seriousness is too try-hard for me.

where am I in this post?

[Crystal Maiden]

where am I in this post?

You're... Not? I'm not gonna lie, I haven't read fully into you yet, aside from the fact that you're an alt, and I know of whom. (TBH it was kinda obvs before the slip, but...) I think being voteless is rather a good sign, but that being said I'm not gonna work my way through the mountains of posts to find out if there's voteless scum in Grand because I don't have the time, nor am I willing to put forth the effort.

I didn't recognize ASP. I didn't know if that was correct or if he was saying asap. To be fair it's hard to say that you have been a player in this game until this first post. Unless you want me to assume you have been playing this entire time but deliberately lurking.

I guess that's... A rather fair assessment, at least? TBH the last while has been pretty shitty for me- I looked to see page eight on Tuesday morning, and decided to post when I got home. my best friend lost her grandmother, so after 14 hours stuck on campus, nearly breaking up with my girlfriend of over a year and a half, and checking on my friend, I got home last night to see 21 pages, and I said "nah, I've got the day off, I'll read up tomorrow." When I signed on, I got a prod after MUCH less than 48 hours. Game started at 5:30pm on Monday (my time zone), and I got a prod at 12:30am Wednesday, aka I miscounted to 29 earlier but in fact 31 hours. But I suppose this is the long way of saying, yeah, I wasn't around, so what?

There are scum voteless roles in there.

whats that telling u?

[Crystal Maiden]

To give a specific, I don't think town would feel it necessary to give so many specifics about RL.

do you know anything about mafia?

[Crystal Maiden]

@screen why there is a 30 min delay between 579 and 581?

[Crystal Maiden]

Uh, no actually

What you know is simply incorrect

but even assuming thats correct, why not doing that is scummy - not anti town?

[Crystal Maiden]

Uh, no actually

What you know is simply incorrect

but even assuming thats correct, why not doing that is scummy - not anti town?

Because it's more commonly a scum practice to gain sympathy. I don't pull my tells out of nowhere, I get them from experience. If you want me to stop lecturing me about stubbornness, stop lecturing me about this shit.

Lets talk about experiance

I always make my RL and mafia game involved.

Now tell me - am I always scum?

and tell me your experience cause I like to hear it

[Crystal Maiden]

and I ahve no intention to lecture you

I'm trying to understand your mindset

[Crystal Maiden]

@screen why there is a 30 min delay between 579 and 581?

I have a job and I'm working.

so was that preventing you from making that sarcastic reaction?

[Crystal Maiden]

Fuck this game >.>

I have no vote. There is a slot who trolls the shit out of the game, 2 votes are in hand of one player with stupid read (if he is town), at this rate we are practically doomed.

We can't ever lynch the scum, I am going to just get ignored.

explain to me how he was scum hunting in that post ffs?

[Crystal Maiden]

@screen why there is a 30 min delay between 579 and 581?

I have a job and I'm working.

so was that preventing you from making that sarcastic reaction?

Obviously not.
Was that an actual question or are you being sarcastic?

You had enough time to make fun of ASP vote on you but you had no time to explain and answer because of your work?

[Crystal Maiden]

Uh, no actually

What you know is simply incorrect

but even assuming thats correct, why not doing that is scummy - not anti town?

Because it's more commonly a scum practice to gain sympathy. I don't pull my tells out of nowhere, I get them from experience. If you want me to stop lecturing me about stubbornness, stop lecturing me about this shit.

Lets talk about experiance

I always make my RL and mafia game involved.

Now tell me - am I always scum?

and tell me your experience cause I like to hear it

No, I never claimed that ASP was confirmed scum. I don't remember specifics where scum used RL specifics and town didn't, but in the games I've played and read scum does it a lot more.

You are basing this read on those specifics. do the statistic analyzes you are using or I will shoot you tonight

Gun on your head

Your move

[Crystal Maiden]

The easy scum thing to do is to scumread and push the people who are indifferent. They tend to look scummy and give the least resistance. Calling someone town for being indifferent just doesn't benefit scum.

I'm not ignoring you FA, I just disagree with your read.

calling someone town when others are voting them is called white knighting and distancing and its actually really scummy and scums really benefit from them both (dependent on the voted person alignment its one of them)

Him not trying to sort anyone but generating reads YOU like is why he is scum

and if your town you better start agreeing with my reads cause without full coopration I doubt we can ever get scum.

[Crystal Maiden]

If shooting you is actually game throwing and your town you need to stop excusing yourself with RL (the thing you were just saying is scummy.........) and vote the actual scum.

[Crystal Maiden]

Yep, because I happen to have reads that disagree with other people's, I'm scum.

You were saying that makes screen town cause no scum will ever do that

I was saying thats stupid logic cause scum might do them as well ...

If you are going to disagree with my screen read You have 2 ways:

1) completely ignoring me cause I have no vote. That is like scum claiming to me and we shall see where that will lead

2) Explain why I'm wrong with my screen play read with absoloute - logical - acceptable logic.

now HURT: screenplay

pedit : ok so listen to me and tell my why your not agreed with me.

[Crystal Maiden]

If shooting you is actually game throwing and your town you need to stop excusing yourself with RL (the thing you were just saying is scummy.........)

"rl work" =////= specifics about rl

Yes we all have real life

we signed up for this game

you have to care for this game because we all are spending our times with it.

[Crystal Maiden]

No I'm not scumreading him because he hasn't sort the game yet. I'm scumreading him because he is faking attidue to show himself like he is sorting the game and his obvious fake scum reactions to the push on himself.

I am making a case for my screenplay scum read. I expect your full answers to this case or your votes - or I will reaplce out.

I'm Voteless, If I'm going to be an ignored voteless then I'm better to be out of this game.

My first point which was mainly to poke him was his try for forcing everyone attention on drealmz crap. His question in this post was what sound an alarm in my mind :

Innocent Scumbag

Mod-confirmed innocent who has to act as scummy as possible. Will win if lynched, can also win with town. If investigated the night before, suddenly acts pro-town the next day.

I have determined that this is in fact dreal's role

UNVOTE:

Why so sure??

why are you trying to focus town attention on drealm today?

This is where a lot of the attention already is, so why? not get it sorted out?

He clearly knew that we can't sort drealm with his spam flooding the thread unless by doing setup spec. He even suggested a suitable - convincing role for him but even after me asking why are you trying to do that he said " This is where a lot of the attention is already is" as an excuse.

Thats exactly scum mindset cause Thats where they can safely Buy Time and Town confusion.

I explained it in this post as well:

I called it that cause it had no scumhunting or evaluation/progress in it. It wasn't asked to help him or anyone in sorting your or drealmz, it was just asked to poke everyone "hey! infinity thinks this is drealmz role, lets talk about drealmz!"

if he was truely sumhunting he would search the roles and would say, hey look at this one. This might be the case as well because X and Y. or if he was trying to see your reasoning he would say "this is bad!" or if he was supporting you he would say "this is a good view!" if he was asking for clarification he would say "I think because X and Y, Z might be the case. am I missing something?"

he is not scum hunting - he apears active = he is a scum lean of mine

why you think that question wasn't light wighted or in surface level?

Suddenly after me pointing this out I get to L1 and if I wasn't online to claim I was lynched. Knowing the ratio of scum in this (and the fact I'm voteless and there is a double voter and the awful way TTTT sheeped those votes in this post:

plenty of voteless scum in the Grand Idea thread
VOTE: crystal
come at me bro!
oh wait...

But I claimed before the hammer gets possible. Obviously hammering me after that claim was a scum claim.

anyway

You were trying to Build a councious and force the conversation from what I've saw. The problem is not that you have no opinion on others but that you wern't trying to make one and you were just hoping around directing the conversation to look active

This was my initial case on screenplay ^

Why does Not Mafia want to vote me?

I poked this post with

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

and he responded with

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

^^^ Which is practically a scum claim. Look at this guilty conscious ...

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

But you are reacting.

The fact your trying to fake calmness in it is fake

Nope

so scum

Finally.

So Crystal why do I look scumier than Not Mafia?

Instead of making a point about himself he is trying to change my thinking process and draw my attention to someone else which is fine by itself but

Especially sense you have no vote to protect him.

So your not saying he isn't scum but you thinking I'm scumier because I have asked the wrong questions?

He tried to make it like my vote on him has any realations to my not sure yet read on not mafia without actually accusing me or him of anything cause he couldn't win that argument - He just wanted to throw dirt on town councious here

and he denied that try in here :

So your not saying he isn't scum but you thinking I'm scumier because I have asked the wrong questions?

Question mark at the end.

Acting like he is actually asking me if I'm assosciative with not mafia or not - like its not a loaded question

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Please don't say that. I would hate to be the reason you never play here again.

returnes to my asking for pressure with such an ATE

I can't believe I'm considered the weird one in this game!?!?

tried to divert attention in the middle of the conversation with me again - obviously to that spammer drealmz -

but he denied it here :

If you ever think I am diverting say something. Put me back on track. I don't think I have but if so it was not done on purpose.

You were hinting on drealmz again

right in the middle of me pressuring you

Where?

479

That wasn't talking about anyone in particularly.

attacked my self meta to say how my stubborness can be harmful to town - trying to lecture me - more apeasing.

Accuse me that my push on him is acting but not discussing it in light :

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

What an unrealated crap - trying to make me feel guilty about my stubborn push on him instead of doing anything for the game:

Point out the times you have been wrong in your game play.

KNows he can't push me or fight back a 1v1 and tries to delay my push on him - Buying time to delay sumhunting - his exuse is that "he is not as good as me" when he was trying to leture me before:

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

agreed when someone brough a lurker to attention. OMGUSed (not with vote - I mean reationed) ASAP after the post but because he was working he posted an answer to ASP 30 mins later. I don't buy this crap. He was online to react like this:

Thanks for showing up....late.
Maybe next game I'll put in as much effort as you did in your first 48 hours that way I look more town. (Sarcasm)

but couldn't post this then :

I didn't recognize ASP. I didn't know if that was correct or if he was saying asap. To be fair it's hard to say that you have been a player in this game until this first post. Unless you want me to assume you have been playing this entire time but deliberately lurking.

which was answering to the fact ASP was scumreading him for not beleving he could forget his name (which was redicolous reasoning)

But Its obvious HE WAS thinking how he can answer to that to look Better in that conversation - to make his last reaction look better

I am going to have to agree with our Stubborn Maiden. I don't think talking about rl is an alignment indicator. I have done it before.
If you are having a bad week I'm sorry to hear that ASP.

ASP seems to have an indifferent attitude. Maybe that might give onsite to there alignment. I don't feel like scum would try to give off that type of attitude. Draws a little to much attention I think.

THen he calms the newly formed wagon on ASP down. kepping in mind ASP is highly lurking this can be either :

- bussying : ASP and he are scum partners. ASP voted him as his first vote after lurk to distant. He wants to deflect the wagon for now
- Distancing : ASP is a lurker and there is a good chance for getting a mislynh there (if he is town) so staying away from the wagon that was easily fornmed on him and acting calm about it is what a scum will do in this case
- none : Screen is town and he agrees with my attck to infinity about RL stuff - Infinity likes screen attidue but doesn't agree with the point he is agreed with which makes him a hypocrat.

now get your votes on screenplay.

@TTTT By putting my name in your list (when I claimed such a confirmable role [unless you know a way to stop it to make me look bad?!]), and by putting everyones name who are currently voting scum screenplay, You won't be able to endgame this without your partner. Now please bus your partner cause I will make sure he sinks.

[Crystal Maiden]

Crystal come post some more. I feel sick and having a stressful day. You post no matter how mean, wrong or unnerving always puts a smile on my face when I get to your heart in the sig.

I just made my case on you

I reviewed the whole game and My feelings about your slot is not changed.

Is that bad? If it is why should I change my feelings?

Who are scum and why your not scum hunting?

[Crystal Maiden]

Crystal come post some more. I feel sick and having a stressful day. You post no matter how mean, wrong or unnerving always puts a smile on my face when I get to your heart in the sig.

Aww

*virtual hug*

I can put more hearts in my posts

<3

but sorry HURT WITH A BLADE: screenplay

[Crystal Maiden]

Being a developer on site shows you these bbcodes as a list

They are so funny

[Crystal Maiden]

You don't even care enough to push your line of thinking (which is not mafia is scum for sheeping me I suppose) that means you don't believe thats a legit vote yourself.

@Drealm, My gun is on your head. (it was on inifinities but I put it on yours). If you want to live you need to show me your town.

[Crystal Maiden]

@TTTT By putting my name in your list (when I claimed such a confirmable role [unless you know a way to stop it to make me look bad?!]), and by putting everyones name who are currently voting scum screenplay, You won't be able to endgame this without your partner. Now please bus your partner cause I will make sure he sinks.

I'm an idiot
and didn't see your claim until just now

Your vote was the reason I reached L1, You unvoted me after that

and you missed my claim?

Sure

[Crystal Maiden]

you're*

Ok, you're dead tonight

[Crystal Maiden]

I HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR

and you're dead. You just proved your not trust able at all and letting you live is a game throw

pedit : so show me your role from that topic. You can't copy paste role pm but you can show us the shit your claiming exists.

[Crystal Maiden]

you're*

Ok, you're dead tonight

Are you not worried that that your treating behavior could get you killed.

I am voteless

I have no fear from death

[Crystal Maiden]

I'll get to your case tomorrow FA, thanks.

You're wasting your time with dreal btw

I know just making sure he has nothing to offer

@drealmz mod roles are exactly from that topic. mods won't lie about your role pms in these games and mods can't change the role pm's. They can ignore some game breaking or unwinnable roles though.

[Crystal Maiden]

You don't even care enough to push your line of thinking (which is not mafia is scum for sheeping me I suppose) that means you don't believe thats a legit vote yourself.

@Drealm, My gun is on your head. (it was on inifinities but I put it on yours). If you want to live you need to show me your town.

I believe my vote was on Not Mafia before you even began to give me attention. Because you are confident to push wrong right doesn't mean I am. I'm going to wait and push right.

Your not sorting people for that to be a town "waiting and pushing right"

[Crystal Maiden]

what are your reasons for voting Not Mafia

If your not confident in that read why you meantioned it as your scumread in answer to my post questioning your reads?

[Crystal Maiden]

Your not scumhunting like a town player.

You have no paranoia about anything.

You are just making activity - they have no soul

Your "wait for pushing right" is just pure crap

[Crystal Maiden]

no your activity is not for making new perspectives. its for show off to make others think your town

I am not asking why youd din't push not_mafia hard

I'm asking why you never even pushed him or asked others to help you to push him if you think he is suspicious

[Crystal Maiden]

What reasons are you talking about?

[Crystal Maiden]

exactly

they both sheeped me.

(though not mafia was doing no sirious crap that I can remember before my vote on you and you were scumreading him)

why are these scummy?

[Crystal Maiden]

@TTTT

where is your vote on screen play or your comments about my case on him?

[Crystal Maiden]

Yeah TTTT can die after screen play.

what do you mean you read my wall twice and you still can't get it? What is the thing you can't get? Its an opinion wall. Its full of reasons about why I'm scumreading screen.

Its like being in the jungle and saying I can't see the trees :/

and hell no. You're sheeping like fuck, with no self developed stance, who is asking others to sheep you, having all the players who are voting scum in your scum list, claiming to miss my claim and stuff.

[Crystal Maiden]

no there are no difference between the kill flavors normally

[Crystal Maiden]

Question, I have never played in a game where more than one killing role is possible. So is there flavor to tell how people are killed. Like the difference between scum sk vig arso?

^ Again without coming fully at me is doubt casting ^

I bet he already knew the answer of this question

he is not that newbie.

[Crystal Maiden]

a gunsmith can find the difference between vig and sk
a tracker can confirm who I'm visiting

I'm not an idiot to calim such role

is there even a voteless serial killer? Serial killers are normally weaker than other scums, making them voteless is crazy facepalm

[Crystal Maiden]

HURT: drealmerz7

Vote screen play

[Crystal Maiden]

@TTTT

I am a confirmable voteless Vig - even more confirmed than this fake IC now please tell me why I'm wrong about screen scum or vote him. >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

I am practically conf town, don't even dare to try

[Crystal Maiden]

Please listen to me town. I know what I'm doing

Screen play is scum. I will be conftown tomorrow if they don't shoot me - which is also good cause I'm voteless

Please

Pleaseeee

I beg you all!

[btw my read on TTTT is changed - I looked at him again and I beleive he missed my claim before]

pedit : HURT: drealmerz

I am Your Confirmed Innocent queen at start of day 2. I was just trying to hold back - and to not rush about judging about you. I'm done giving chances to you.

[Crystal Maiden]

@TTTT you know why I lied about that thing

You know thats only for wifoming scum. See how screeplay tried to throw mud at me in this page using "vigs and sk's are not recognizable" I think There are no sk voteless in setup thread.

Those questions are just his try for discrediting me - He is not even refuting himself from my push.

pedit : To say I would vote that creep if I had vote and to remond him he is going to die soon

I won't do assosciative crap but ASP is intresting suspect given you defended him that way and the shallow vote he put on you.

[Crystal Maiden]

>.>

I'm not that. I didn't even notice such a crap role might exist

Ok fuck this : I am not a normal vig I am a "town voteless hurter" that's how I'm conftown tomorrow during the day. now mafia have to kill me tonight :/

Sheep me on screen play

[Crystal Maiden]

This is what I'm claiming to be

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8286645

I'm practically conftown

Now will you sheep drealm or you want me to hurt you more?

[Crystal Maiden]

I like it when they are trying as hard as fuck to find a way to discredit my claim and to make me look bad

but when I cut the crap root they all are invisible and long gone

[Crystal Maiden]

ASP reads please

[Crystal Maiden]

when I put the 10th hurt on you thats the only role I can be

[Insert a pokeman meme here]

sorry to disapoint you. thare is no way to avoid the incoming thunder. now please vote screen play. I just want to make sure what wagon is finilized before putting down the rest of my hurt votes

[Crystal Maiden]

You have a mod confirmation in a bastard game with thousends possibility. The only town rold that could make sense for you was that jester-townish thing that you refused. Your role can't be new. This is the game setup :

1) This is a closed setup. All roles in this game are rolled randomly from the Grand Idea Mafia thread, up to Post #3368.

so till you find out your role in that thread Your just a scum spammer who needs to get killed by me.

[Crystal Maiden]

I doubt scum will kill you when you keep hurting the wrong person.

why is drealmz town with all that spam and shitty excusses?

you are going to get lynched anyway and I'm going to be conftown tomorrow so shrugs

[Crystal Maiden]

@SAJ
@Kain Tepes
@Infinity
@TTTT

Say your intents for joinging screen wagon wait me to put down my hurt votes then proceed.

[Crystal Maiden]

so whats your probem with my hurt votes on him?

[Crystal Maiden]

Nothing at all. That's were they should be.
I was talking about the ones you wasted on me.

there is only one hurt vote on you. I have enough to kill him tomorrow. I was just waiting to make sure he is not telling the truth about that no lynch crap and to see if I can get a wagon on you or not.

I already asked mod he won't count HURT WITH A BLADE: this that's another vote tag than what its mentioned in role description.

your are getting lynched today I will shoot drealm tomorrow

[Crystal Maiden]

that red tag is hurt2

I have to use hurt tag for it to be counted

[Crystal Maiden]

well you will get lynched today.

I commanded it.

I explained it in detail again and again.

Your scum and I know its sad but you will get the rope.

[Crystal Maiden]

I know its hard to get you cause I'm not even sure how much votes we have more than needed majority

But you will be surprised when partners start to bus (if they already aren't).

pedit : I am waiting for your votes anyway.

[Crystal Maiden]

Saj is VLA sitewide - not sure if he announced it here

and Kain Tepes is less active these days - site wide

It sucks but you won't be able to divert MY attention like that to a lurker.

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm patiently waiting for people to comment about my case and to tell me their reads. that was all I was doing since then.

[Crystal Maiden]

but that was all you were doing so far

[Crystal Maiden]

@crystal
why'd you wait until 624 to first use your hurt ability?

cause I only have 7 of them each day. I need to put them in a right place

The first one I uesed was for hinting it mainly that happened aftre my vig claim

the other two is because I'm getting tired of this game state and I made my mind about drealmz but I want to see if the wagon on screen will take off as well or not cause He is a priority target >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

"target"

ok so you think your a better target for my vig?

[Crystal Maiden]

Well you need to better figure out your priorities. I know there is at least two people that can guarantee you are wrong.

proioirities:

- putting hurt votes on drealm
- lynching you

if I died then fuck with it - I'm voteless

- putting hurt votes on drealm
- bye bye scums and I'm conftown

simple

[Crystal Maiden]

who are the two you reffered to?

I'm wrong about what?

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm bored

Such resistance

So many lurkers

Mod where are your prods?!

[Crystal Maiden]

Spoiler: screen case

He clearly knew that we can't sort drealm with his spam flooding the thread unless by doing setup spec. He even suggested a suitable - convincing role for him but even after me asking why are you trying to do that he said " This is where a lot of the attention is already is" as an excuse.

Thats exactly scum mindset cause Thats where they can safely Buy Time and Town confusion.

Ok, this is a good point. But I still think "why so sure" was a legitimate question screen could've had, and he did do

some

stuff to actually try to sort dreal.

There is no such state as I'm 100% sure this guy will flip scum unless with a guilty. When I first suspected screen with the above logic I wasn't even remotely sure about it the way I am now. It was a good point of pressure and It worked to show his true color.

Suddenly after me pointing this out I get to L1 and if I wasn't online to claim I was lynched. Knowing the ratio of scum in this (and the fact I'm voteless and there is a double voter and the awful way TTTT sheeped those votes in this post:

It's certainly a possibility that TTTT is buddies with screen, but I wouldn't base anything on that theory. I didn't like him sheeping too much either.

I'm not basing my case about screen on assosciative tells. I'm just saying suddenly I got to L1 with Drealm you and TTTT votes right after me expressing something about screen before letting him to react was actually cute and definitely weigthened my scumread on screen.

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

^^^ Which is practically a scum claim. Look at this guilty conscious ...

Screen reaction to pressure is so fake in the midtime >.>

I'm not reacting yet. So you thinking I'm reacting looks fake.

But you are reacting.

The fact your trying to fake calmness in it is fake

Nope

so scum

I don't really see much here, maybe you can explain? I see screen of either alignment wanting to know the case on him, so I understand why he says he wasn't reacting. You could interpret asking why someone scumreads him as a reaction, but I didn't interpret it as a reaction.

I poked him with a comment about how fake was his behavior and he instead of attacking back or trying to analyze his behavior claimed he didn't react yet. Look at the content around that to understand what I'm talking about. Instead of engaging with me he tried to disarm me and end the conversation.

So your not saying he isn't scum but you thinking I'm scumier because I have asked the wrong questions?

He tried to make it like my vote on him has any realations to my not sure yet read on not mafia without actually accusing me or him of anything cause he couldn't win that argument - He just wanted to throw dirt on town councious here

Let's stop here, I don't see how screen is saying those things are related. "you think x is scummier than y" contains no implications that the reads on x and y are related.

no I want to move. so he out of nowhere asked about my read on Not Mafia and compared it with my read on him and his read on him for what exactly? I destroyed his manipulative process by outing his plan immidiatly. He wasnt accusing em of anything, he was throwing shade

Question mark at the end.

Acting like he is actually asking me if I'm assosciative with not mafia or not - like its not a loaded question

Well, I certainly see how he could be scum implying that you two are buddies, but I also see how he could be town who wants to make clear your position.

He wasn't pushing me. He wasn't asking questions. He had no read on me. He wasn't interacting, he was just trying to imply that is a possibility to see if others will accept it or not the way scum will. There is a very thiny obvious line between scumhunting and throwing shade and Its obvious which one was it.

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Please don't say that. I would hate to be the reason you never play here again.

returnes to my asking for pressure with such an ATE

Well it's not really a self-defense AtE, but ok

tried to divert attention in the middle of the conversation with me again - obviously to that spammer drealmz -

Ok this is a good point actually. I don't think scum tend to try to divert a lot, however I don't like that he seemed oblivious to where he was diverting.

attacked my self meta to say how my stubborness can be harmful to town - trying to lecture me - more apeasing.

If you remember, I was on his side here and stand by it. If someone tunnels on you and you're town, it makes sense to try to explain how stubbornness hurts town to try to get the tunneler back on track.

And where was he appeasing?

I will quote it after this post. It makes sense to explain that I agree, if he really is town he would do that as well. He did this after me asking for more pressure on him betting on my career to just make others feel like my meta is not an important factor about the accuracy of my reads not to stop my push on him read his posts again and see how they were trying to force me to tell my meta bugs.

Accuse me that my push on him is acting but not discussing it in light :

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

so you think I'm acting - or your trying to imply you think I'm acting - and your not trying to sort that out?

Fine but this is semantics.

What do you mean semantics? He litterally did nothing to push me or NM. All he did was throwing shade.

What an unrealated crap - trying to make me feel guilty about my stubborn push on him instead of doing anything for the game:

Point out the times you have been wrong in your game play.

Again, it's what I would do as town to get the tunneler to second guess themselves and be less stubborn. Idk if you've been tunneled on as town before but I think this is very much that mindset.

KNows he can't push me or fight back a 1v1 and tries to delay my push on him - Buying time to delay sumhunting - his exuse is that "he is not as good as me" when he was trying to leture me before:

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

Again, this could be scum trying to buy time but it could also be town explaining his scumhunting process as a newb.

No if he was a newbie town, after me pressuring him he would get motovated to do more work not to divert it more and more. This divertion is just scum's.

agreed when someone brough a lurker to attention. OMGUSed (not with vote - I mean reationed) ASAP after the post but because he was working he posted an answer to ASP 30 mins later. I don't buy this crap.

@screen I'd like you to address this in more detail. Why exactly did you read the post and not respond right away?

I am going to have to agree with our Stubborn Maiden. I don't think talking about rl is an alignment indicator. I have done it before.
If you are having a bad week I'm sorry to hear that ASP.

ASP seems to have an indifferent attitude. Maybe that might give onsite to there alignment. I don't feel like scum would try to give off that type of attitude. Draws a little to much attention I think.

THen he calms the newly formed wagon on ASP down. kepping in mind ASP is highly lurking this can be either :

- bussying : ASP and he are scum partners. ASP voted him as his first vote after lurk to distant. He wants to deflect the wagon for now
- Distancing : ASP is a lurker and there is a good chance for getting a mislynh there (if he is town) so staying away from the wagon that was easily fornmed on him and acting calm about it is what a scum will do in this case

Ok those are possible

- none : Screen is town and he agrees with my attck to infinity about RL stuff - Infinity likes screen attidue but doesn't agree with the point he is agreed with which makes him a hypocrat.

No, it doesn't make me a hypocrite to townread someone I disagree with.

there is no fourth scenario I can think of about that theater. I know you must know your alignment so In my pov you should have screen as confscum.

Basically there are some good points here but there's also a lot of attributing scum mindset to things that could easily and do come from town.

Nope. Answered in blue

I'd rather lynch ASP and I could also compromise on TTTT.

vote screen play I will put down my hurt votes on drealm.

[Crystal Maiden]

Bringing everyone attention to these posts which will show his contradicting behavior regarding my slot :

Especially sense you have no vote to protect him.

^ Indicates a

suspicion

of not_mafia is scum with me

At this point I bet all my mafia career on this

Please don't say that. I would hate to be the reason you never play here again.

^ Indicates he think I'm town

Cause its screaming being fake - that you already know the answer of it

The wagon on me happened just when I accused you of diverting attention. coincidence?

And my vote never changed to you, weird?

^ Indicates he think I'm town

I have never wanted to vote you, you mistaken there.
I also know your stubbornness can be unhealthy for town.
Never said you were being an associative of Not Mafia. It's going to take a lot more post before I can say anyone is with anyone.

^ Indicates he was thinking I'm town - at least when that wagon took off and when he was talking about my not - mafia read

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

^ Indicates

he thinks

my push on him is fake

Point out the times you have been wrong in your game play.

^ Indicates he believes I'm just wrong - trying to make everyone see I'm wrong or to find a flaw in my argument instead of refuting it

I'm wrong. I can't find my answer to 496.

I don't know what you are doing. I do know that I can't make quick judgements on you. I don't see where you think I'm acting scumy. So in my eyes it looks like a faked force push on me. But I know you can be stubborn so it could be that. I dont know.

But we will all find out later.

^ Diverting

When will you try to find that out?

With every post. I might not be as good as you and I might be new to forum mafia but I will not give up or quit trying to figure out the game I'm in.

So I don't know the time when. It might be today, tomorrow, or even end game but we will all figure it out eventually.

^ talking like he thinks my push is legit but he is diverting

I am going to have to agree with our Stubborn Maiden. I don't think talking about rl is an alignment indicator. I have done it before.
If you are having a bad week I'm sorry to hear that ASP.

ASP seems to have an indifferent attitude. Maybe that might give onsite to there alignment. I don't feel like scum would try to give off that type of attitude. Draws a little to much attention I think.

Stubborn Maiden - indicates townread

BTW I'm not sure if I quoted it but he repetedly called me "stubborn" when he was talking about meta and told I'm "acting like I have a narrative" which indicates he thinks I'm town which is obviously doesn't fit with his second approach.

no your activity is not for making new perspectives. its for show off to make others think your town

I am not asking why youd din't push not_mafia hard

I'm asking why you never even pushed him or asked others to help you to push him if you think he is suspicious

Haven't had a reason too. Do you think the reasons I gave is enough to go on a full on attack??

He is literally saying his only scum hunt since game start won't worth even his vote here and asking me like "he knows I'm town"

Question, I have never played in a game where more than one killing role is possible. So is there flavor to tell how people are killed. Like the difference between scum sk vig arso?

^The he questiones If my conftown is a conftown or not - trying to find a hole in my claim - casting shade

This is not a town mindset

This is scum and this needs rope

[Crystal Maiden]

Spoiler:

I'm not basing my case about screen on assosciative tells. I'm just saying suddenly I got to L1 with Drealm you and TTTT votes right after me expressing something about screen before letting him to react was actually cute and definitely weigthened my scumread on screen.

Yes but for this to even be a point to me TTTT has to be scum cause dreal is conf jester and I am town

This is something that must be investigated after a screen lynch not before it. The way it makes screen look worse is not even engotiable. His flip is important to sort this as well.

I poked him with a comment about how fake was his behavior and he instead of attacking back or trying to analyze his behavior claimed he didn't react yet. Look at the content around that to understand what I'm talking about. Instead of engaging with me he tried to disarm me and end the conversation.

I kinda see what you're saying but also I agree with screen that he wasn't necessarily reacting. Wondering why someone is scumreading you isn't really a reaction.

He wasn't wondering. He had an older claim for scumreading Not Mafia. He coudn't simply just loose a scumlean and wonder about why he was voting him.

no I want to move. so he out of nowhere asked about my read on Not Mafia and compared it with my read on him and his read on him for what exactly? I destroyed his manipulative process by outing his plan immidiatly. He wasnt accusing em of anything, he was throwing shade

He wasn't pushing me. He wasn't asking questions. He had no read on me. He wasn't interacting, he was just trying to imply that is a possibility to see if others will accept it or not the way scum will. There is a very thiny obvious line between scumhunting and throwing shade and Its obvious which one was it.

He could've been town trying to clarify your position. If he had said something like "FA is avoiding n_m despite being suspicious of him, interesting" then that would be throwing shade. But I don't see where screen implied you two were scumbuddies or tried to plant that idea into people's minds.

That was too direct and more townish. It would show he was going with a narative and is trying to sort us for real. What he did was expressing the possibility and throwing the burden on rest of town.

I will quote it after this post. It makes sense to explain that I agree, if he really is town he would do that as well. He did this after me asking for more pressure on him betting on my career to just make others feel like my meta is not an important factor about the accuracy of my reads not to stop my push on him read his posts again and see how they were trying to force me to tell my meta bugs.

Ehh, ok? It's true that making you state where you messed up is unlikely to make you change your mindset, but screen could've thought it would.

He was directly trying to make others uncomfortable about me, This is obvious as fuck if you read the posts not sure whats your argument.

What do you mean semantics? He litterally did nothing to push me or NM. All he did was throwing shade.

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

If the quote was:

You are beginning to

seem

like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

Wouldn't that make a difference? How easy is it to interchange those words as town?

That's what I mean by semantics.

Huh

K. sure he meant that and he didn't clarify it after me questioning it?

No sorry,

No if he was a newbie town, after me pressuring him he would get motovated to do more work not to divert it more and more. This divertion is just scum's.

That's certainly one way newb town could act, but certainly not the only way. If the only way you know how to play is slow, that wouldn't change with someone pressuring you.

First screen is not a newbie. he is not an expert but he played mafia before, He knows this game. He played offsite (not sure about this but I saw him before on Sc2 mafia and I know their same person) and w/e

second He wasn't trying to make me stop pressuring him. He was bringing excusses for not trying to sort me after throwing shades about me which was why I was pushing him. I know people react differently But proposing some narrative and dodging attention is not a town one.

there is no fourth scenario I can think of about that theater. I know you must know your alignment so In my pov you should have screen as confscum.

What? I believe in the third scenario, but just because screen disagrees with me on that point doesn't mean I can't townread him.

Fair enough

answered in this color

[Crystal Maiden]

Spoiler:

I'm not basing my case about screen on assosciative tells. I'm just saying suddenly I got to L1 with Drealm you and TTTT votes right after me expressing something about screen before letting him to react was actually cute and definitely weigthened my scumread on screen.

Yes but for this to even be a point to me TTTT has to be scum cause dreal is conf jester and I am town

I poked him with a comment about how fake was his behavior and he instead of attacking back or trying to analyze his behavior claimed he didn't react yet. Look at the content around that to understand what I'm talking about. Instead of engaging with me he tried to disarm me and end the conversation.

I kinda see what you're saying but also I agree with screen that he wasn't necessarily reacting. Wondering why someone is scumreading you isn't really a reaction.

no I want to move. so he out of nowhere asked about my read on Not Mafia and compared it with my read on him and his read on him for what exactly? I destroyed his manipulative process by outing his plan immidiatly. He wasnt accusing em of anything, he was throwing shade

He wasn't pushing me. He wasn't asking questions. He had no read on me. He wasn't interacting, he was just trying to imply that is a possibility to see if others will accept it or not the way scum will. There is a very thiny obvious line between scumhunting and throwing shade and Its obvious which one was it.

He could've been town trying to clarify your position. If he had said something like "FA is avoiding n_m despite being suspicious of him, interesting" then that would be throwing shade. But I don't see where screen implied you two were scumbuddies or tried to plant that idea into people's minds.

I will quote it after this post. It makes sense to explain that I agree, if he really is town he would do that as well. He did this after me asking for more pressure on him betting on my career to just make others feel like my meta is not an important factor about the accuracy of my reads not to stop my push on him read his posts again and see how they were trying to force me to tell my meta bugs.

Ehh, ok? It's true that making you state where you messed up is unlikely to make you change your mindset, but screen could've thought it would.

What do you mean semantics? He litterally did nothing to push me or NM. All he did was throwing shade.

You are beginning to act like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

If the quote was:

You are beginning to

seem

like you already have a narrative made up for me and you are trying to to new meaning to the words I say.

Wouldn't that make a difference? How easy is it to interchange those words as town?

That's what I mean by semantics.

No if he was a newbie town, after me pressuring him he would get motovated to do more work not to divert it more and more. This divertion is just scum's.

That's certainly one way newb town could act, but certainly not the only way. If the only way you know how to play is slow, that wouldn't change with someone pressuring you.

there is no fourth scenario I can think of about that theater. I know you must know your alignment so In my pov you should have screen as confscum.

What? I believe in the third scenario, but just because screen disagrees with me on that point doesn't mean I can't townread him.

HE IS NOT THAT NEWBIE .......



He was DOUBT CASTING not sorting and SEE HOW THAT is paradoxing half of his posts.

[Crystal Maiden]

Whats that suppose to mean?

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm not sure how many games he played so far.

I can guarantee he is not that experienced to get a scummie award

He knows the concept of mafia

He knows the concept of scum hunting

He knows how to push and sort

This is not a newbie game.

pedit : I'm not sure >.> I'm not a regular player in that site I though you started playing offsite because I saw you there.

[Crystal Maiden]

I can understand if you don't trust me and feel uncomfortable with me going far in this game. (Even that I don't understand why)
I can tell you that you are wrong about me and don't give up on this day because you think you got me. Keep hunting don't stop.

is this @me or infinity?

[Crystal Maiden]

If I ask questions or try to take the heat away from me I would be blamed for distracting. So I'm ok with the attention on me until it's sorted out because I have nothing to hide.

o.o



how can anyone see this and tell this is newbie town ...

[Crystal Maiden]

You just claimed you are trying to manipulate others councious about you

You just gave an excuse for not scumhunting and You claimed You are scum hunting In this same page

You just used ATE "cause I have nothing to hide" like it means anything - if you say it and like its screaming you know it means nothing

Like if anyone can actually think your play suddenly just got this level crap after someone saying "he looks like newbie town" ......

[Crystal Maiden]

Description:A closed setup with roles rolled randomly from the Grand Idea Mafia thread. There will be at least 5 town members, with no more than 2 scum on the same faction. Given the sheer number of roles in-thread, there may be bastard roles, but also there may not be.

1) This is a closed setup. All roles in this game are rolled randomly from the Grand Idea Mafia thread, up to Post #3368.

4) All roles rolled will have the same rules as those listed in the Grand Idea Mafia thread, but I reserve the right to take artistic liberties to add additional clarifications that do not contradict the prior description.

HURT: drealmerz7

[Crystal Maiden]

I'm not trying to manipulate others
I need to sort things out for me before I can push for everyone else.
It is the truth.
My play level was good and now it went down?

>.>

Such ate is burning me inside out >.>

I'm not sure if I'm angry or laughing at this

[Crystal Maiden]

@CM
I don't know what your hurt count is at right now
but you should spread it around (3 hurts on 2 players, 4 hurts on another)
putting 7 on drealm today limits your kill options tomorrow

I know what I'm doing

I'm counting them already.

Its 3 on drealm , 1 on screen. wanna put 3 on a third person if this town manages to lynch scum!screen today as they must. thats why I asked you guys to put intent and never vote without my permission - to let me manage my final hurt votes.

[Crystal Maiden]

Firstly I am not a penis potato! I am a high functioning sociopath! Merry belated Christmas!



Secondly I prefer the word "godess" over dictator.

[Crystal Maiden]

Murderer

"Dragon hunter"



vote yourself!

[Crystal Maiden]

who is this new target?

[Crystal Maiden]

I'M BORED

WHERE IS EVERYONE

[Crystal Maiden]

Saj is like vanished. ASP replace out was NAI. Not Mafia is weird.

I'm still sure on Screen being scum

[Crystal Maiden]

SAJ is vanished site wide btw - sure its RL related

I want Screen lynch

I want Screen flippp

I will put the 3 remianing hurt votes on NM if he is not getting lynched

[Crystal Maiden]

Kain inactivity is also sitewide - plus their always low content early game from what I know :/

[Crystal Maiden]

Who are you

[Crystal Maiden]

@Toto

read my case on screen and tell me what do you think about it

pedit : cause I am voteless

[Crystal Maiden]

I am practically conftown

I'm a town voteless hurter - a type of dayvig

There is no other role that can do what I can

[Crystal Maiden]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8747478

read from this post forward of my iso

[Crystal Maiden]

someone please unvote not mafia from L1

drealm is not voting and might troll finish the day

[Crystal Maiden]

I will put down my hurt votes in next 5 min if no one unvotes

and you won't like it infinity >.> cause this L1 is pretty suspicious

[Crystal Maiden]

Drealm claimed they received a role that is not in grand idea thread and they refused to search it and trolled the shit out of game and advertised no lynch - but voted me to L1 in a stupid early game flashwagon that was so close to get my lynched (and happened right after me saying something about screen)

we beleive their some kind of scummy innicent or jester shit

no other claim - so much resistance on screen

[Crystal Maiden]

Some one unvote not mafia from L1 >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

thanks

NM assume your at L1 cause its the same atm

[Crystal Maiden]

screen is not a newbie ... and that is not a town

He just acted like one on purpose after you mentioning you can see some of his older posts that way >.>

[Crystal Maiden]

I have two newbie games complete.
I am in 3 right now.

read postie's first scum game and stop being so naive

[Crystal Maiden]

Like if you get your head into the game and read the posts - just from an upper perspective you see how is faking them

[Crystal Maiden]

Thats alright!

Till you don't make a sarcastic reactionary post and make up a real answer (shorter than the saracasm character length wise) 30 min later - excusing it because of work, its absolutely fine!

[Crystal Maiden]

Being a newb is not the reason why I townread screen.

huh?

[Crystal Maiden]

based of what?

Their scummy

[Crystal Maiden]

You agreed to the fact you find their actions scummy

but you refuted each point saying that might come from town I explained why their not from town you said its look like newbie town

pedit : we talked about my case after that post

the posts you mentioned are easily fakable. You are town reading him for him apearing frustrated from people not being around and not ignoring dreal when scum likes to have a distraction like him around?!

[Crystal Maiden]

honestly a lot of it comes down to tone. I know you won't like that answer but that's what it is.

Oh a lot of my read comes to tone as well

But I have logic behind it

Screen flip is what is needed for this game to go forward from my pov but hey I have no votes to do so me arguing has no points. If this is the way it is then I will put my hurt votes on him - and I won't kill drealm over him very likely.

[Crystal Maiden]

you said its look like newbie town

Not really, I tried to explain why I think most things you accused screen of are possible from town regardless of alignment. I just got fed up with the wall war.

Then you failed in convincing me

and thats a bad sign cause I get reasonable when someone talks with valid reasons

[Crystal Maiden]

please please please give me a screen flip?

[Crystal Maiden]

He shouldn't be a town read cause he is scum

Your reasons are so flawed :/

[Crystal Maiden]

2) Yeah, Crystal summarizing why you are scum in 2-3 sentences would be great.

He is apeasy as fuck, his reactions and the way he changed style after being called newbie is scummy. he never took a stance about anything in game but doubtcasted everything, he has no consistancy in his posts and reads, he never pushes people or whatever

maybe start reading my iso from that post and see my conversation with infinity about him

and that is not a town frustration >.>

I want sreen flip cause that will help wit my NM read. ASP is not a bad player,you must know he was town yeah? though he didn't explain his read he was agreeing with my case. What are the stuff you can't understand about that case?

as I said before if anyone else is getting lynched I will put the rest of hurt votes on screen, if not I prefer him to get lynched and to put my votes on the scummiest person on that wagon.

[Crystal Maiden]

yeah you need to get lynched so they can be on NM

[Crystal Maiden]

or I can use them to make lurkers talk. - SAJ must get replaced anytime soon

@MOD where is SAJ?

[Crystal Maiden]

yeah you need to get lynched so they can be on NM

I endorse this product or service

can you at least help with this push on screen if you really believe he is scum by trying to convince others? stop being so locked up >.>

@screen No I want to make a delimma

clearly I'm a stupid kill for mafia as I'm voteless, even if that happenes I will count that as a wasted night kill.

[Crystal Maiden]

You are so damn stubborn

Thanks for the compliment!

atm I have too many null reads : SAJ Infinity and NM - Though I lean town on infinity and lean scum on NM (Inifinity is null because of the resistance I can't understand when it comes to pushing you and the way I went to L1)

You are my best bet for scum and I have a slightish townread on TTTT cause they obviously investigated for my hurter votes and guessed that before me claiming so I kindda beleive they didn't realize my claim before that.

[Crystal Maiden]

ah yeah null on Kain but he usually activates D2

[Crystal Maiden]

ah yeah null on Kain but he usually activates D2

i am ACTIVATED TURNED ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kainteps

I SUMMON DEE

[Crystal Maiden]

SO MANY LURKERS NEED TO BE REPLACATED,,

You are one of them sadly

ok can you give me some reads?

and a vote on screen after reading my case on him?

[Crystal Maiden]

I THINK THE SCUM IS NOT_MAFIA WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE ME,, even though SEECRET AGENT JIN also pretend, NOT_MAFIA OBVIOUS PRETEND BECAUSE HE WAS NOT KAIN TEPES BEFORE BUT SUDDENLY BECAME KAIN TEPES,,

OK

WHAT ELSE

[Crystal Maiden]

WHO DO YOU WANT THE REST OF MY HURT VOTES ON?

[Crystal Maiden]

>.>



GET OUT

You already have enough hurt points

[Crystal Maiden]

yo make it hurt so good

deeeeper

so inappropriate ...

[Crystal Maiden]

I THINK THE SCUM IS NOT_MAFIA WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE ME,, even though SEECRET AGENT JIN also pretend, NOT_MAFIA OBVIOUS PRETEND BECAUSE HE WAS NOT KAIN TEPES BEFORE BUT SUDDENLY BECAME KAIN TEPES,,

OK

WHAT ELSE

I DONT THINK SCREENPLAY IS MAFI

why?

[Crystal Maiden]

please seize this conversation

[Crystal Maiden]

I am a 21 year old married woman with a newborn child who is getting trolled by a jester innocent child or some shit in a sick social game of lies and manipulation crap

I indeed have a sick mind

pedit : Thats why I didn't put down the rest of my hurt votes yet.

[Crystal Maiden]

Regarding other lurkers Ive played with scum tepes and I think he is town in this game. Why hasnt SAJ been replaced and why is he impersonating tepes?

That was an RVS joke

Our mod is a little bit inactive to do that >.>