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Post Post #6675 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:27 am

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Back from V/LA –

So in reading what happened over the weekend my choice of who to lynch gun to my head hasn’t changed – I’d chose EP. That said the activity here has reinforced my feeling that this is being over-thought and the remaining Things are EP and UT.

EP’s “Hey this is my case on Spiffeh and I don’t think UT is scum” song and dance doesn’t sell me at all. Spiffeh as scum would not have effectively strong-armed the Andy lynch the way he did. There were plenty of other viable Town mislynchs to be had (Spyrex and Fire) that he could have supported. Furthermore if he thinks UT is Town the fact that Spiffeh has held off what could be an easy mislynch on hypo-Town UT (Maria was strongly on board – unless you think both Maria and Spiffeh are scum then that’s open for a hammer from whatever scum is left) doesn’t connect for me as Town processing of the game-state. Finally the color enhances series of posts starting at pretty much can be summed up as “I needed to find what I see as the easiest lynch in Spiffeh / Maria / MoI” which lands on Spiffeh who already has been voted by UT and Maria has expressed concern with the page before.

Finally this –
In post 6629, Errantparabola wrote:More about the two castes of people in this game-- the three people that ended yesterday townreading each other, and the remainder. The general theme from all three of those people is that THEY ARE WRONG ON EXACTLY ONE PERSON. DOES THIS MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE? NO. It makes absolutely no sense that someone would believe that it is most likely that scum is in either me OR UT, but they are not confident that it is me AND UT, and they are not confident (this case being Magna most specifically) that is is NEITHER me NOR UT.
This is so divorced from reality that I’m troubled that no-one pointed out this fact.

UT’s play likewise is not Town. The amount of Cognitive Dissonance coming from his slot today and lack of game-solving is pretty evident. Let’s examine the following quotes –
In post 6590, Untrod Tripod wrote:much like my vote helps to take your victory from you, regardless of your alignment
I have yet to see any reasons why UT actually thinks Spiffeh is scum. But he’s willing to dangle a vote which if UT is Town could be lead to a quicklynch unless Spiffeh is scum. Which contradicts his concern shown here –
In post 6626, Untrod Tripod wrote:I didn't say that. My point was that it only takes one wrong vote.
UT has not shown any worry about him potentially dropping two separate votes on Spiffeh. Only worry that he’s the recipient of a “bad vote”.

And we have this gem –
In post 6615, Untrod Tripod wrote:now would be a good time to try to talk me into moving my vote to EP though

instead of just whining about how town you are
Um whut? This is UT’s belaboring Spiffeh for exactly what he as himself done today – whined about how his lynch loses the game.

UT keeps offering EP as a potential scum candidate but those words ring hollow given his votes have fallen easily on Spiffeh and never on EP (who I have said multiple times is my lynch preference for today).

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In post 6639, Spiffeh wrote:Also that's pretty bullshit. MoI can attest that I've been presenting you as a lynch in the neighborhood since like Day 2-3 and was pretty much shot down by everyone. Similar things took place in the thread.
Maria
- On general recollection I can confirm this seems appropriate. I can go back to our Radio Network and days we’ve shared a room to confirm specifics if you want.
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Post Post #6676 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:29 am

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@Spiffeh
- At this point both Maria and I have both stated our preferences for lynch between UT and EP. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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Post Post #6677 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:47 am

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MoI as you said I'm pretty indifferent to which of EP or UT we lynch. They're pretty neck-and-neck in terms of bullshit spewing today.

I'll follow whatever you do.
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Post Post #6678 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:48 am

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Gun to my head I'd prefer an EP lynch today.
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Post Post #6679 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:50 am

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If both of us vote EP and there's no hammer (which there won't be), it will be pretty clear to Maria that the scum team is either myself and you or EP and UT.

And we all know which team is more plausible.

At this point I'm ready for the day to end but I'll wait to see if you and Maria still want to talk things out.
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Post Post #6680 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:55 am

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vote EP


go for it ladies
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Post Post #6681 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:18 am

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look at all those quickvotes

they're just rolling in
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Post Post #6682 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:12 am

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In post 6677, Spiffeh wrote:MoI as you said I'm pretty indifferent to which of EP or UT we lynch. They're pretty neck-and-neck in terms of bullshit spewing today.

I'll follow whatever you do.
I take it then that your Maria paranoia has settled down for the most part then based on your back and forth with her?

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In post 6679, Spiffeh wrote:If both of us vote EP and there's no hammer (which there won't be), it will be pretty clear to Maria that the scum team is either myself and you or EP and UT.

And we all know which team is more plausible.

At this point I'm ready for the day to end but I'll wait to see if you and Maria still want to talk things out.
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vote EP


go for it ladies
The timing of this vote after I just called out his unwillingness to actually vote EP and Spiffeh’s post above is suspect as fuck ..

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– are you ok with lynching EP over UT given the set-up Spiffeh gave earlier works with UT in EP’s place as well?
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Post Post #6683 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:25 am

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maybe i'll respond later, but maybe (hopefully) i die before that
scum's played this whole game well and has a stranglehold on general thought and attitude right now
it's impossible to have a legitimate dissenting opinion.
let's have this game run its course, then
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Post Post #6684 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:27 am

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In post 6675, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I’d chose EP
prove it with your vote
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Post Post #6685 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:33 am

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Hey EP this is me checking in close to MoI and we have not coordinated a quickhammer

Me and Maria must be the scum team then right???!?!?!

Or Maria and MoI?!?!?!?
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Post Post #6686 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:34 am

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In post 6682, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I take it then that your Maria paranoia has settled down for the most part then based on your back and forth with her?
Yeah if it's Maria then EP or UT have to idiotically believe the shit they've been spewing about me and have to be ignoring the pretty much irrefutable evidence that I am town.

I'm over second guessing myself after their behavior today.
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Post Post #6687 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:35 am

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If EP was so sure UT was town why wouldn't he be freaking the FUCK out that he just voted for them?

After they pretty much proved to be on the same page regarding me?

Probably because that read is bullshit!
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Post Post #6688 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:35 am

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hey look at that, Spiffeh and MoI are at least not scum together

shock of the century right there
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Post Post #6689 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:37 am

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In post 6687, Spiffeh wrote:If EP was so sure UT was town why wouldn't he be freaking the FUCK out that he just voted for them?

After they pretty much proved to be on the same page regarding me?

Probably because that read is bullshit!
we're not on the same page, obviously
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Post Post #6690 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:39 am

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Lmao literally every post you made today attempts to slander me in some way or another

Beyond the extremely fake "doubting yourself" posts that you've made here and there
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Post Post #6691 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:41 am

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is there any particular reason you're not voting for EP yet? you're unwaveringly scumreading him, are you not?
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Post Post #6692 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:42 am

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I want to confirm our plan tonight with Maria and MoI and give them a chance to talk like Maria requested.

EP could just hammer themselves and we could lose that opportunity.
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Post Post #6693 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:42 am

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I'm sure that's exactly what you want though. :)
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Post Post #6694 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:44 am

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yep, you caught me

so dastardly
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Post Post #6695 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:45 am

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i'm sorry everyone. i've been awful this game.
do me a favor and wotc me if i sign up for another one that you're in. for the best.
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Post Post #6696 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:47 am

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EP if you are miraculously town here and the scum team is like Maria/MoI don't beat yourself up

Because this game was literally unwinnable if that's the case

And I would never be able to trust again
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Post Post #6697 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:48 am

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In post 6692, Spiffeh wrote:I want to confirm our plan tonight with Maria and MoI and give them a chance to talk like Maria requested.
While we are waiting for Maria to get a chance to weigh in can I summarize my perception of the plan?

Maria and I both go to the Lab.
UT / EP (whoever isn’t lynched) goes to the Kennels
Spiffeh goes to some other non-disclosed room that minimizes UT / EP’s chance of rooming with them.

I block one of Spiffeh or UT / EP.
Maria protects me.

That a good Night summary?
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Post Post #6698 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:51 am

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why would you block Spiffeh?
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Post Post #6699 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:53 am

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Yep that's it.

This way, you and Maria cannot die unless the scum is in that room and uses the strongman. You will confirm that Maria followed the plan in the neighborhood that night. You will also tell me if UT/EP goes to the Lab which would pretty much be a scum claim.

If you or Maria do die, then it's confirmed that the other is scum because I nightkill on either of you couldn't have taken place otherwise.

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