Open 672: Friends and Enemies and Enemies: Music on a whim

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Gin

Hammer.

[ThinkBig]

Didn't town read his slot's predecessor and didn't town read him either. Happy with this hammer.

[Superhans]

Kill Lowell

[Superhans]

Read my case on him in my ISO

[Lowell]

Eh even you don't believe your case on me. You just think you should. Your heart knows I'm town.

[ThinkBig]

If Lowell isn't killed tonight, then he should be lynched tomorrow.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well fuck me didn't even get to do shit

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Y'all need to learn patience

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well, id say my biggest concern is Cassie for purposefully causing chaos and then after we look bad, get a vote me for it.

Bet your bottom dollar top that's scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I will say this was a series of unfortunate events for me given being busy IRL and arguing with Joey and being scum read by my previous slot but such is life.

I don't recognize Realeos behavior, don't like it, I don't have any good opinions yet because deadline lynch even after a fucking extension but it's fine! Really! So proud

[Superhans]

Eh even you don't believe your case on me. You just think you should. Your heart knows I'm town.

You taunting me? My entire case on you is how fake you are, and how illegitimate your pushes are.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh and Hans is town, like read is about 70% confident

[Tenshii]

I briefly skimmed through due to lack of time. Will read thoroughly when I have more time. But I don't think Gin got hammered and I think he is town. Especially given the last page. The Joey_ case on him was bad with the whole reconsidering reads thing. Especially when Gin brought up the whole "Town can be voting town, therefore, I can townread someone who scumreads me" The Realeo argument of Gin bringing up NL isn't AI because there's no scum motivation behind it even though Realeo said there's no town motivation behind it.

@Laudandus I don't believe in pressuring other slots when I believe your slots deserves more. Especially when I have established reads on most of the table.

[Superhans]

@TRG
I want to lynch Lowell because I think hes the best bet of being scum.

My main argument is because of his push on Nebula. I haven't commented on his push on Realo before, but from reading his ISO, think it is also an example of scum behaviour.

Lowell push on Realo

Lowell plays the first half of the game this incredibly lazy low effort low impact posts. His first push is on Realo didn't make sense to me, and I don't think I even noticed it at the time.
This is his logic for the Realo push:

Why is real scum?

Real is scum because of the way he responded to your claim. While others were all "OMG joey is the WORST OMG" or, "meh, I don't know, but actually might not be that bad," realeo stayed out of the fray and had a too-polished response. His post about why outing mason isn't so bad bleeds with frustration.

His push on Realo doesn't make sense, and I think he knows it. He acknowledges that it is weak and accuses other players of being scum for pushing him because of it. His logic on Realo is sketchy to begin with, but he doesn't try and improve upon it or interrogate Realo, instead he just bangs on that we should be lynching Realo, why isn't anyone pushing Realo etc:

Is the realeo wagon happening or what? I'm tired of waiting, someone needs to die.

He is trying to portray himself as hunting a player who he sees as scum, but this is not what happened in reality.

Lowell push on Nebula

791 and 792 go together splendidly. Let me guess that cass isn't worried about this particular compromise mislynch.

791 is scum crocodile tears.

VOTE: nebula

I have no read on this guy right now. But I do like new wagons.

He doesn't even bother to produce a valid reason for pushing a player, just jumping onto Nebula because it is 'new'. Think this is scum trying to paint himself as an incredibly lazy town.

If you believe 791 is an example of scum crocodile tears, surely that means you have a scum read on Cass, yet you choose to vote for a player you have no read on. That doesn't make sense at all, and I can see you avoiding Cass because you're scared she may fight back and get you lynched. Jumping onto the Nebula wagon without reasoning smells like scum choosing the easiest route possible.

Seriously? I've been fighting about cass in almost literally every post. Here's how it goes. I call her scum, she posts some ponderous case on me 797, no one cares, rinse, wash, repeat. You want me to do that forever? I'm out for blood, here, and if nebula is the new "it" wagon I'm there.

He says he has been fighting Cass, which is true (although not very well imho) but what I don't understand is if he identifies Cass as being scum, why isn't he voting for her? I think it is due to scum motivation of going for the easiest route possible - Nebula, a player who isn't actaully active to call him out for his bullshit.

His pushes r trash, I don't agree with anything he has said.

The first person who says this about me in any game is scum. Sheer opportunism.

Is this post genuine? no evidently not. if he is sure im scum, why is his vote still on Nebula?

Going VLA

A few days ago Lowell goes VLA. He plays the matyr card whilst doing so.

Well I'll be gone for the weekend so you have a two-day head start. Enjoy.

This is indignation station. if i were town and had been playing like he had been playing, i would be apologising at this point and promising to not play like a little shit rather than playing as a persecuted town.

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I know this is kinda pathetic of me to say, but I have absolutely zero town reads this game besides ThinkBig. I had two fat town leans on Realo and Cass, but now i'm really not sure at all. I think your behaviour during the clash with Joey is town, and think that the scum argument pushed by Joey, Realo, Cass, Laud and Lowell is incorrect. The argument to push you as scum is effectively you flipped from buddying Joey to attacking him to try and save yourself. I do not see this at all.

I think Laud is most likely town but equally I can understand the town motivation behind what Tenshii is doing.

I think Realo is also most likely town, more likely than Cass, but I think he needs to stop following Cass.

Cass needs to keep doing Cass, but I would urge her to reconsider TRG.

No idea what Donkey Kong is doing besides getting blazed in the corner and not helping at all. Did not like the cross vote DK and Alban had on each other, as it really isn't helpful at this point in the day, so I'm pleased hes moved his vote onto Lowell but equally could be a different scum team.

Idk what is going on with Alban, i think he's being replaced for lurking?

Revan is playing exactly like hes playing in our previosu game which is bloody annoying. think he is scums blessing or is scum himself. Think if he wants town to actaully win hes going to have to start playing the game.

Vote count 1.8

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (3):

Joey_

?, Lowell, cassielle [L-4]

Lowell (3): Superhans, Realeo, Big Lungs DK [L-4]

Realeo (1): ThinkBig [L-6]

Laudandus (1): Tenshii [L-6]

Big Lungs DK (1):

alban

? [L-6]

Tenshii (1): Laudandus [L-6]

Not voting (2): Revan, TheRealGin-N-Tonic

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2017-02-16 23:30:00)

Let me know if you see errors in the VC, please.

If you are a player pushing TRG I want you to explain more clearly why.

If it is because of his buddying of Joey, please try and elaborate more clearly at what point he exhibits this buddying.

Literally no one (bar Realo) has even commented on this.

[Superhans]

And it took me like 15 mins to write

[Superhans]

If Lowell isn't killed tonight, then he should be lynched tomorrow.

Kill him today. It's not yet a lynch. Move ur vote.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

And it took me like 15 mins to write

If im not dead I'll read it, I can't get to a computer until like, 30 minutes

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote count 1.9

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (5):

Joey_

?, Lowell, cassielle, Realeo, ThinkBig, [L-2]

Lowell (3): Superhans, Realeo, Big Lungs DK [L-4]

Laudandus (1): Tenshii [L-6]

Big Lungs DK (1):

alban

? [L-6]

Tenshii (1): Laudandus [L-6]

No Lynch (1): TheRealGin-N-Tonic [L-6]

Not voting (1): Revan

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day ends in

(expired on 2017-02-16 23:30:00)

Let me know if you see errors in the VC, please.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LQ there are more people voting me than tah

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Realeo is voting me

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Am I seriously at L-2?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ there are more people voting me than tah

Realeo is voting me

Apologise, I am having an "off" day.

[LicketyQuickety]

TTTT replaces Joey_

day ends in (expired on 2017-02-16 06:09:00)

[Laudandus]

Don't think suggesting no lynch day 1 is a scum move. I don't expect a scum who's playing scared enough to get scumread a lot day 1 to suggest something wild. To me, what Realeo pointed out here

[ 2 ] If Gin knows that D1 NL is a thing in the past,

What is exactly the town motivation of advocating something that he knows it would be rejected?

I think there's even less scum motivation for this. Talking theory / weird game plans always draws lots of suspicion, and I don't think it's AI. I don't like this push, in a "Realeo might be scum" kind of way. Realeo, what do you think the scum motivation of advocating something you know would be rejected is?

[Laudandus]

I like Tenshii's most recent post. I think my favorite to lynch at the moment is Revan, though it's a PL because I don't think we can ever get any read on him given his playstyle.

I'm rereading Cass ISO right now - going to pull out all the weird buddying and see if I actually think it adds up something.