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Aristophanes He/HimMr. Blue SkyHe/Him
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With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)
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borkjerfkin is V/LA until MondayLast edited by Aristophanes on Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:22 am, edited 2 times in total.Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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In post 356, Aristophanes wrote:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)
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borkjerfkin is V/LA until Monday@mod
VC above shows Bork both voting Lowell and not voting.-
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Aristophanes He/HimMr. Blue SkyHe/Him
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In post 358, TTTT wrote:In post 356, Aristophanes wrote:
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)
Mod Notes:
borkjerfkin is V/LA until Monday@mod
VC above shows Bork both voting Lowell and not voting.It would appear so!
I'd been doing so well too.
I Am Errorunlocked!Half meme, Half real, All Aristophanes ;)- JingleAri has appeared way too competent for me to even pretend to know what they're thinking
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i'm behind this policy.In post 327, borkjerfkin wrote:if i flash wagon anyone it's probably gonna be TTTT; SBF doesn't really look overtly scummy to me, just has some points i don't really get
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sorry for the oncoming wall, I'm trying to keep this concise and hitting the important points
and my point is that you've actually made NO ARGUMENT here, except paraphrasing my posts and assuming that I'm scum posting them.In post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:
8 and 36 are both "me? scum? no way!", and your attempt to deflect this by calling the use of an abbreviation scummy is in fact a maneuver commonly used by scum to discredit those who bring cases against them.In post 305, GuiltyLion wrote:And are you calling it "LAMIST" literally just because I said "I'm town this time"? Because that's anextreeeemelyweak case for LAMIST, and it looks to me like you just wanted to put the "scummy buzzword" in., not as a way to succintly represent an argument, and in either case it isn't the word itself that is the issue.Buzzwords are actually only scummy when they're used in absence of a real argument
You're arguing that it's scummy to not have a sincere and thorough scumread 160 posts in the game, which I find hard to believe. I had no townvibes whatsoever from your opening two posts, saw no evidence of game-solving, wanted you to get pressured/wagoned. That's entirely different from saying "I am very confident that SBF is scum", which feels like the arbitrary and disingenuous standard that you'ree trying to impose on me.In post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote: Thank you for proving my point. I am your sole scum read in 169 and yet there was clearly no sincerity behind it. Now you are attempting to distance yourself from your prior stance while casting suspicion on my slot for unrelated content, also known as backpedalling and shading.
also @bork the reason I had fro99er higher during that readslist was because I could see him ambiguously as either alignment, whereas I had no sense of towniness from SBF at all. But the more important point is that SBF is trying to equate my "lack of any sense of townread" into a "your scumread is fake", when there's a massive difference between "scumreading this person by PoE/not seeing them be town" vs "scumreading this person because you think their posts were actively scummy". SBF is acting like I'm scum for not operating in the latter, when I had been operating in the former.
Your radar for Town motivation is either miscalibrated or not being used in this game, sorry. Talking to my townreads to try to get them to understand/townread me is not "purposeless".In post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote: I am actually describing the things that I find scum motivated, contraposed with what I would find Town motivated. Your content has no significant Town motivation that I can detect. Your content is largely devoid of game-advancing material and is full of material that I find ultimately purposeless and distracting.
Except I didn't everIn post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote: Your way of justifying your reads has been so opaque and theoretical that the only way to find fault with them is by attacking their logic, which would be playing to your game by getting caught up in tortuous argumentation with no real end-point, and they are entirely devoid of actual serious comment on play in THIS game. They are superficial. Your vote on me was, as you have said, a sheep of your townlean. You did not back it up with anything, as Cane did. Your vote isn't even on me anymore.wantpeople to argue with my townreads, but I will always respond to questions about them. If you seriously think I was actively trying to draw out that discussion about my townread on TTTT then you should go back and read that entire exchange again. Every post I made with "theory" was in response to people asking me to explain myself. like I fucking knew as I was getting more and more drawn into answering all of the questions that someone was then going to try to push me on this. That's why I kept saying "i don't expect people to agree", "it's probably not intuitive", etc etc.
And so what my vote isn't on you anymore? Why does that matter?
No you didn't, if you called it opportunistic please show me where you did. And this entire section reads to me like you care more about "scoring points" in the argument about my alignment more than honestly and openly assessing my play and my alignment.In post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:I called you opportunistic, albeit without using the actual word, and you stated that my description of your play was essentially accurate ("you're describing my play"), if mistaken in the resulting conclusions. You have caught yourself in a trap.
My read on Lowell changed because of his continued scumread on me for weak reasons. I changed the read. Why do you think that makes me scum, why is that something that cannot come from Town?In post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:Despite finding fault with every part of my case against you and calling me scummy, you are now voting the slot that was previously a townlean over the slot that was previously a scumread.
a) I can and will put my vote wherever the hell I want, thank youIn post 336, SweetBlueFlowers wrote:You cannot keep your vote on me because by doing so Town's focus remains on our exchange, which is something scum!GL would never want but which town!GL would have no problem with. Again, you display no sincerity in your desire to sort slots.
and b) I will continue responding to every single post you make, so don't give me this bullshit about "not wanting focus on our exchange"."I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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GuiltyLion he/himSurvivorhe/him
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also it's generally just absolutely rich that someone with 5 posts total in the game is accusing me for not having "game advancing content" when I've been making an effort to interact with nearly every player"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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like SBF's argument boils down to
1) GL voted me but didn't believe it
2) GL moved his vote off of me when I pushed back on him
3) he must be doing this because he doesn't want attention on me calling him out
1) is because it's early and I usually don't have much conviction in my scumreads early unless I find something extremely compelling, which hasn't happened this game
2) was due to the fact that I hated Lowell's reasons for scumreading/voting me and I did think SBF made a good point about SS which made me question whether they are operating from a town mindset
3) is just assumptions and completely made up"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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?In post 334, Fro99er wrote:prodge
i'll try to post tonight, might be tomorrow. I work in NASCAR analytics so this weekend is our super bowl.-
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the unfortunate thing is the wagon didn't even take off tbhIn post 364, Eddie Cane wrote:I am not tring gl.
in his defense for that particular part though, you (sfb) had next to 0 content a decent way into the game. wagoning that is fine, especially if he townread me at the time of voting.
like it's kinda strange to me that we haven't hit an L-1 yet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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I like L-1s not for the claims but for the immediate threat of hammer"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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which were?In post 205, TTTT wrote:
i have reasonsIn post 204, Lowell wrote:The eddie wagon is bad and you should feel bad.-
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