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[Sobolev Space]

I pointed it out because it looked to me like that quote indicts SBF since she jumped on Eddie's self vote.

[borkjerfkin]

oh.

that was not at all obvious from context.

[borkjerfkin]

but in retrospect, yeah i get that.

i am a white boy who can't dance sometimes

[Sobolev Space]

I assumed that's why TTTT agreed with me on that post.

[borkjerfkin]

who the fuck knows

[Sobolev Space]

Yea TTTT is basically a black box at this point.

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.10

Lowell

(2): Sobolev Space 246, GuiltyLion 306

GuiltyLion

(2): SweetBlueFlowers 288, Lowell 303

Eddie Cane

(1): TTTT 203

TTTT

(1): Bellaphant 299

Sobolev Space

(1): Eddie Cane 308

Not Voting

(2): Fro99er 271, borkjerfkin 344

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:
borkjerfkin is V/LA until Monday

[TTTT]

I may look unengaged but I'm soaking it all up like a sham wow
I'll post my thoughts after I re-read the game this weekend

[TTTT]

VC 1.10

Lowell

(3): Sobolev Space 246, GuiltyLion 306, borkjerfkin 309

GuiltyLion

(2): SweetBlueFlowers 288, Lowell 303

Eddie Cane

(1): TTTT 203

TTTT

(1): Bellaphant 299

Sobolev Space

(1): Eddie Cane 308

Not Voting

(2): Fro99er 271, borkjerfkin 344

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:
borkjerfkin is V/LA until Monday

@mod

VC above shows Bork both voting Lowell and not voting.

[Aristophanes]

VC 1.10

Lowell

(3): Sobolev Space 246, GuiltyLion 306, borkjerfkin 309

GuiltyLion

(2): SweetBlueFlowers 288, Lowell 303

Eddie Cane

(1): TTTT 203

TTTT

(1): Bellaphant 299

Sobolev Space

(1): Eddie Cane 308

Not Voting

(2): Fro99er 271, borkjerfkin 344

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day one ends March 4th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-04 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:
borkjerfkin is V/LA until Monday

@mod

VC above shows Bork both voting Lowell and not voting.

It would appear so!
I'd been doing so well too.

I Am Error

unlocked!

[Bellaphant]

if i flash wagon anyone it's probably gonna be TTTT; SBF doesn't really look overtly scummy to me, just has some points i don't really get

i'm behind this policy.

sbf, you got any questions for me?

[GuiltyLion]

sorry for the oncoming wall, I'm trying to keep this concise and hitting the important points

And are you calling it "LAMIST" literally just because I said "I'm town this time"? Because that's an

extreeeemely

weak case for LAMIST, and it looks to me like you just wanted to put the "scummy buzzword" in.

8 and 36 are both "me? scum? no way!", and your attempt to deflect this by calling the use of an abbreviation scummy is in fact a maneuver commonly used by scum to discredit those who bring cases against them.

Buzzwords are actually only scummy when they're used in absence of a real argument

, not as a way to succintly represent an argument, and in either case it isn't the word itself that is the issue.

and my point is that you've actually made NO ARGUMENT here, except paraphrasing my posts and assuming that I'm scum posting them.

Thank you for proving my point. I am your sole scum read in 169 and yet there was clearly no sincerity behind it. Now you are attempting to distance yourself from your prior stance while casting suspicion on my slot for unrelated content, also known as backpedalling and shading.

You're arguing that it's scummy to not have a sincere and thorough scumread 160 posts in the game, which I find hard to believe. I had no townvibes whatsoever from your opening two posts, saw no evidence of game-solving, wanted you to get pressured/wagoned. That's entirely different from saying "I am very confident that SBF is scum", which feels like the arbitrary and disingenuous standard that you'ree trying to impose on me.

also @bork the reason I had fro99er higher during that readslist was because I could see him ambiguously as either alignment, whereas I had no sense of towniness from SBF at all. But the more important point is that SBF is trying to equate my "lack of any sense of townread" into a "your scumread is fake", when there's a massive difference between "scumreading this person by PoE/not seeing them be town" vs "scumreading this person because you think their posts were actively scummy". SBF is acting like I'm scum for not operating in the latter, when I had been operating in the former.

I am actually describing the things that I find scum motivated, contraposed with what I would find Town motivated. Your content has no significant Town motivation that I can detect. Your content is largely devoid of game-advancing material and is full of material that I find ultimately purposeless and distracting.

Your radar for Town motivation is either miscalibrated or not being used in this game, sorry. Talking to my townreads to try to get them to understand/townread me is not "purposeless".

Your way of justifying your reads has been so opaque and theoretical that the only way to find fault with them is by attacking their logic, which would be playing to your game by getting caught up in tortuous argumentation with no real end-point, and they are entirely devoid of actual serious comment on play in THIS game. They are superficial. Your vote on me was, as you have said, a sheep of your townlean. You did not back it up with anything, as Cane did. Your vote isn't even on me anymore.

Except I didn't ever

want

people to argue with my townreads, but I will always respond to questions about them. If you seriously think I was actively trying to draw out that discussion about my townread on TTTT then you should go back and read that entire exchange again. Every post I made with "theory" was in response to people asking me to explain myself. like I fucking knew as I was getting more and more drawn into answering all of the questions that someone was then going to try to push me on this. That's why I kept saying "i don't expect people to agree", "it's probably not intuitive", etc etc.

And so what my vote isn't on you anymore? Why does that matter?

I called you opportunistic, albeit without using the actual word, and you stated that my description of your play was essentially accurate ("you're describing my play"), if mistaken in the resulting conclusions. You have caught yourself in a trap.

No you didn't, if you called it opportunistic please show me where you did. And this entire section reads to me like you care more about "scoring points" in the argument about my alignment more than honestly and openly assessing my play and my alignment.

Despite finding fault with every part of my case against you and calling me scummy, you are now voting the slot that was previously a townlean over the slot that was previously a scumread.

My read on Lowell changed because of his continued scumread on me for weak reasons. I changed the read. Why do you think that makes me scum, why is that something that cannot come from Town?

You cannot keep your vote on me because by doing so Town's focus remains on our exchange, which is something scum!GL would never want but which town!GL would have no problem with. Again, you display no sincerity in your desire to sort slots.

a) I can and will put my vote wherever the hell I want, thank you
and b) I will continue responding to every single post you make, so don't give me this bullshit about "not wanting focus on our exchange".

[GuiltyLion]

also it's generally just absolutely rich that someone with 5 posts total in the game is accusing me for not having "game advancing content" when I've been making an effort to interact with nearly every player

[GuiltyLion]

like SBF's argument boils down to

1) GL voted me but didn't believe it
2) GL moved his vote off of me when I pushed back on him
3) he must be doing this because he doesn't want attention on me calling him out

1) is because it's early and I usually don't have much conviction in my scumreads early unless I find something extremely compelling, which hasn't happened this game
2) was due to the fact that I hated Lowell's reasons for scumreading/voting me and I did think SBF made a good point about SS which made me question whether they are operating from a town mindset
3) is just assumptions and completely made up

[Eddie Cane]

I am not tring gl.

in his defense for that particular part though, you (sfb) had next to 0 content a decent way into the game. wagoning that is fine, especially if he townread me at the time of voting.

[Eddie Cane]

prodge

i'll try to post tonight, might be tomorrow. I work in NASCAR analytics so this weekend is our super bowl.

?

[GuiltyLion]

I am not tring gl.

in his defense for that particular part though, you (sfb) had next to 0 content a decent way into the game. wagoning that is fine, especially if he townread me at the time of voting.

the unfortunate thing is the wagon didn't even take off tbh

like it's kinda strange to me that we haven't hit an L-1 yet

[Eddie Cane]

this is a vanilla game so nobody had incentive to get an l-1 for a claim, just a thought. I haven't played all vanilla on ms before so I dunno if this is normal.

[GuiltyLion]

I like L-1s not for the claims but for the immediate threat of hammer

[Eddie Cane]

I don't like l-1s because people on this site lolhammer

[TTTT]

Re-reading now.
I'm up to my infamous post 150
might have to stop and finish later
after six pages Bella looks like scum
lowell/frogger/SS/bork all get to be town for now
GL/sbf/eddie null

[TTTT]

VOTE: bella

[TTTT]

would also lynch sbf

[Eddie Cane]

The eddie wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

i have reasons

which were?

[Sobolev Space]

TTTT I could get on board with an SBF lynch as well but I want to hear your reasons first.

Probably won't post for the next 2 days. Have a lot of work.