Open 679: Jungle Oligarchy (Game OVER)

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Hi all,

I'm claiming Masons with Riley Cake.

Also, I'd like to thank the hydra that made room for me to join by lynching them until they die a dead death.

VOTE: Quick Transcendence

[-Grey-]

Hey guys

What's shaking?

You, at the end of a rope!

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VOTE: Grey You are a Saulus not a mason.

FTFY

[-Grey-]

What does 3/5 games mean?

I'm in 5 games, three are with Lil...

How is that indicative of his alignment?

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Oh noez, the dreaded OMGUS!

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Grey is either VT or Scum.

Are you counterclaiming me?

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In a PYP game, grey claimed 1-shot cop being VT to cover for Titus. I sniffed it out and was able to deduce that grey was VT there since Scum and/or Cop wouldn't be dumb enough to claim there.

Scum night killed me though, so mission accomplished.

[-Grey-]

Hi all,

I'm claiming Masons with Riley Cake.

Also, I'd like to thank the hydra that made room for me to join by lynching them until they die a dead death.

VOTE: Quick Transcendence

Is this real?

Or is this some VT / scum jking?
B real with me Grey.

I'm totally Masons with Uzi.

[-Grey-]

Town leaning grey (Pg 2 tho so almost certainly wrong).
Claim mason instantly comes from VT to kick off discuss. Too risky for a scum player.

Right Grey? Or not?

Nah, I'd totally do it as scum.

Would you really trust me if I confirmed your assumption?

[-Grey-]

Riley ain't scared of Uzi.

[-Grey-]

Hey Uzi... you alpha bro?

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Zat you, LQ?

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Zat you, LQ?

Yup.

Thoughts?

I'm down if you want to go all "enemy of my enemy" on Hans.

[-Grey-]

Zat you, LQ?

Yup.

Thoughts?

I'm down if you want to go all "enemy of my enemy" on Hans.

Can't agree to that seeing as I'm Town this game.

Well if I'm mafia, he's a werewolf and you still want him dead, so...

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Zat you, LQ?

Yup.

Thoughts?

I'm down if you want to go all "enemy of my enemy" on Hans.

Can't agree to that seeing as I'm Town this game.

Well if I'm mafia, he's a werewolf and you still want him dead, so...

Reading YOU is a priority for me at this juncture. I feel OK about reading Superhans as the game progresses. You I want to sort out sooner rather that later.

Reading me is simple as hell for anyone with the slightest bit of common sense.

My town and scum games are NOTHING alike.

[-Grey-]

If you want to know my alignment, just ask my buddy Riley Cakes.

I told her in our PT to answer you honestly.

[-Grey-]

Zat you, LQ?

Yup.

Thoughts?

I'm down if you want to go all "enemy of my enemy" on Hans.

Can't agree to that seeing as I'm Town this game.

Well if I'm mafia, he's a werewolf and you still want him dead, so...

Reading YOU is a priority for me at this juncture. I feel OK about reading Superhans as the game progresses. You I want to sort out sooner rather that later.

Reading me is simple as hell for anyone with the slightest bit of common sense.

My town and scum games are NOTHING alike.

Describe your scum play in a few sentences.
Describe your town play in a few sentences.

I'll give you mine if you ask.

Scum game

:
I intentionally mislynch town.
I kill threats at night.
I may or may not avoid being lynched.

Town game

:
I unintentionally mislynch town.
I lynch scum occasionally.
I may or may not avoid being mislynched.

Never trust self-meta. Don't be lazy, do your own homework.

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Dude you are so begging me to lynch you.

[-Grey-]

Zat you, LQ?

Yup.

Thoughts?

I'm down if you want to go all "enemy of my enemy" on Hans.

Can't agree to that seeing as I'm Town this game.

Well if I'm mafia, he's a werewolf and you still want him dead, so...

Reading YOU is a priority for me at this juncture. I feel OK about reading Superhans as the game progresses. You I want to sort out sooner rather that later.

Reading me is simple as hell for anyone with the slightest bit of common sense.

My town and scum games are NOTHING alike.

How are they nothing alike?

They starkly contrast reach other.

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Each*

[-Grey-]

Can you tell me how your GAMRPLAY is different?

I could, but...

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?

Y did you write that they are nothing alike. Give me features.

Cruise control
Power windows
Power locks
Heated seats
Satellite radio
GPS

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Backup camera, too.

Can't forget that.

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#top

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Y are you doing this grey?

If you knew how I played, you wouldn't need to ask.

I refuse to provide self-meta because doing so only proves my level of self-awareness and anything I provide as proof of my Townley can simply be countered with the assertion that I am likely to duplicate said behaviors as scum since I know I do it as town.

tl;dr> Do your own homework.

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Y are you doing this grey?

If you knew how I played, you wouldn't need to ask.

I refuse to provide self-meta because doing so only proves my level of self-awareness and anything I provide as proof of my town play can simply be countered with the assertion that I am likely to duplicate said behaviors as scum since I know I do it as town.

tl;dr> Do your own homework.

Edit

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Unvoted cos I felt I'd been too aggressive for such a small reason.

This reads a bit too cautious for my liking. What's wrong with being aggressive this early?

I got scared.

Scared of what?

You, you big bad alpha.

[-Grey-]

WAHHHHHH

[-Grey-]

I wasn't demanding.

I was offering.

[-Grey-]

Hans, you are right to be scared of me.

When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.

You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.

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Hans, you are right to be scared of me.

When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.

You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.

Oh piss off m8. Stop trying to big yourself up. I admitted you scared me, but I regret it because I didn't know you were going to be a prick about it.

Finally, something that doesn't sound like it doesn't need a training bra.

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Hans, you are right to be scared of me.

When I decide I want somebody dead, I can drive the shit out of a wagon.

You just haven't gotten me there. Yet.

Oh piss off m8. Stop trying to big yourself up. I admitted you scared me, but I regret it because I didn't know you were going to be a prick about it.

Finally, something that doesn't sound like it needs a training bra.

Sigh. Is late.

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I also don't see scum announcing that they're taking back a town read.

Nah that happens.

First part isn't bad tho.

[-Grey-]

Spade because his RVS vote felt forced.

Lil tell me, what about it seems forced to you?

VOTE: Spad_Ace

Betelgeuse!

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Spade because his RVS vote felt forced.

Lil tell me, what about it seems forced to you?

VOTE: Spade_Ace

Betelgeuse!

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Spade because his RVS vote felt forced.

Lil tell me, what about it seems forced to you?

The reasoning along with your tone. It reads like you were trying too hard to be cheeky.

His RVS vote was fine, it was an inside joke.

Dat Betelgeuse, doe ...

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It was in reference to Greater Idea. The last game I played with grey where I was sheeping him throughout and he ended up being a Judas who claimed Saulus.

TBF I didn't lead a single mislynch in that game.

[-Grey-]

What does Betelgeuse mean?

The great unwashed spell it Beetlejuice.

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So... Momo is lock scum.

My only hesitation voting him is Hans already voting him.

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Fuck it, it's prob multiball.

VOTE: momo

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Grey why?

My read is based entirely off of 150, and you have me multiple reasons to believe you're scum in that post.

[-Grey-]

Gave*

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Hans, there is actually a chance both momo and Riley are scum due to 150.

A momo scum flip will send me in a blood frenzy to lynch the adorable little Riley.

[-Grey-]

Leave Riley alone

No.

Her responses are the best way to read her.

Stop trying to interfere with that.

[-Grey-]

guys read post 166

If I had two votes, my second would be on you for 166.

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#top

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Precisely my point.

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Okay so after reading only 6 pages the only thing I can honestly say is that Riley is annoying. Feel like she is trying to draw attention to herself and acting this strange, people will think that she is too confident for scum. Hiding in plain sight so to speak.

My vote will most definitely at some point since it is page 6 but still feeling somewhat confident with what I have now. Also, how isn't Veebs banned. He is a troll who types in random game thread.

Anyway:

VOTE: Riley Cakes

But.... I act like this every gamesies!!!! AND YA KNOW THAT COS YA SAW SPADE ASK AND THEN UZI SAID I DID!!! does that mean I'm mafia every game??? I EVEN TALK LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE AND I'M NOT A REAL LIFE MAFIA MEMBER JUST A NORMAL GIRL!!!!!

LaL policy lynch.

I've seen you post without the shtick.

[-Grey-]

Oh noez!

Big bubba is voting me!

[-Grey-]

LaL policy lynch.

I've seen you post without the shtick.

VOTE: Grey

The fact my post was made without an actual vote should have told you I was teasing Riley, you buffoon.

[-Grey-]

Oh noez!

Big bubba is voting me!

Want my smokes?

I could seriously go for one right now, no lie.

Quitting sucks.

[-Grey-]

Oh noez!

Big bubba is voting me!

Mr. Frenchy will also do so.
VOTE: Mr. Grey

Intriguing flip after 178.

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'sides, this is the way I talk in real lifesies. It would be LYING IF I FAKED MY TONE!!!! ONLY SCUM DO THAT!!!!

Riley, I'm tempted to vote you just to toy with Uzi.

[-Grey-]

And now it's time for another Tranalogy

The part of the mafia game where Transcend gives a random analogy

Ahem.

Chris Crocker is to Britney Spears as Lil Uzi Vert is to Riley Cake

This has been yet another Tranalogy. Tune in next time!

Until then remember to eat your vegetables, floss your teeth, and vote one of Spade_Ace or momo out!

~T

I take immense pride in being able to truthfully admit that I have no fucking idea who Chris Crocker is or what relationship he has to Britney Spears.

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Eh I'm in bed on my phone now. I'll go through the game more tomorrow. Just at a glance, I like Superhans; don't like Grey.

VOTE: Grey

Still butthurt over that loss, huh?

[-Grey-]

I just like rubbing it in your face.

[-Grey-]

IT'S JUST LIKE HOW GREY SNARKY SPARKIES EVERY GAME SO YA CAN'T TOWNREAD HIM FOR IT!!!!

Considering you've never played with me as scum, what do you know about my scum game?

[-Grey-]

I don't know ya scum game, Grey!!! BUT I KNOW YOU!!! AND YOU'RE A SNARKY PERSON REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT!!!!!!

You shouldn't speak about something you clearly don't know.

LQ and Transcend have both seem me as scum. They know better than you about my scum game.

[-Grey-]

Isn't this precious.

[-Grey-]

Grey you have no idea, Veebs just goes into random games and posts in them. I would give you links but I can link an ongoing game.

THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THEM

[-Grey-]

Good riddance.

[-Grey-]

We lynch momo asap.

When he flips scum,

Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.

This dies next.

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Hans slinking off momo is an obvious distancing vote turned wagon derail.

I want Chaos dead because nothing about the replacement changed the fact that slot is scum.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Omega

What the...

Okay, Hans can die today.

VOTE: SuperHans

[-Grey-]

well i am getting a lot of hate from Grey for jumping off of the Momo wagon, so i'm jumping back again,.

That's why you can die today.

[-Grey-]

wagon sucks

~T

I actually... agree.

UNVOTE:

Hans is floundering like lost newbtown. I'm not getting scum feels at all from his flailing.

[-Grey-]

True. True.

VOTE: Hans

Sorry for being a fickle bitch, got cold feet over the speed and his general lost puppy dog demeanor.

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I'm scum leaning Grey.

That makes no sense, because town doesn't vote someone to appease a scumread.

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I generally try to avoid OMGUS attacks because I think it is petty. Think Grey may be scum because of his attack on me, but we both agree on Omega... So idk

You obviously had doubts on Omega when you unvoted him, so it makes no sense that town!you would return to the wagon because someone you suspected as being scum shaded you for leaving it.

[-Grey-]

Heads say town, gut says scum. I need to sleep on this.

Strange, because mine is the exact opposite.

[-Grey-]

PimHel needs a prod, BTD is due one in an hour.

[-Grey-]

I am doing an ISO read of Hans. Currently he appears to be mildly scummy to me but I shall later examine in detail to get a more accurate read.

TL;DR> prod dodge

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Riley, SuperHans read. What is it?

[-Grey-]

Ugh. Him being LAMIST has nothing to do with why I scumread him.

Take a look at his behavior the last couple pages and tell me how you DARE townread it.

PEdit: That's better.

[-Grey-]

It's all good, cutie.

[-Grey-]

I'm still not understanding why you wanted to appease Grey so hard. You're acting like you and him go way back and he's purposefully misreading you. It's not like you knew him well before this game since you were asking him to self-meta.

The only association I have with Hans is that I replaced into a game that he self-hammered in... long after he was dead.

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I'm still not understanding why you wanted to appease Grey so hard. You're acting like you and him go way back and he's purposefully misreading you. It's not like you knew him well before this game since you were asking him to self-meta.

The only association I have with Hans is that I replaced into a game that he self-hammered in... long after he was dead.

So there is literally no justification for the appeasement other than him supposedly being scared.

To be fair, it was Open 666 and I wound up winning after the entire scumteam suicided. Bit that should make him hella paranoid of me if anything.

[-Grey-]

I could maybe sympathize if he was completely new to mafia but he isn't.

Half a dozen games is still pretty new.

[-Grey-]

I didn't consciously vote Omega because I felt scared of Grey. I just felt pissed off he was accusing me of derailing Omega.

In my experience, town that is pissed off at a scumread who advised them off something tends to vote the scumread instead of who the scumread wants them to vote.

[-Grey-]

I didn't consciously vote Omega because I felt scared of Grey. I just felt pissed off he was accusing me of derailing Omega.

In my experience, town that is pissed off at a scumread who accused them off something tends to vote the scumread instead of who the scumread wants them to vote.

Edit.

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Yup but this is multiball. Not going to clear Omega just because you're voting him

That has nothing whatsoever to do with 394.

Town, fucking lynch this.

[-Grey-]

Grey saying someone is distancing D1... that's a good one.

~Quick

No reason to distance when you can deflect

The bolded is what I'm curious about, because it's very vague. Mainly the reads on Gerry and the Alisae/Penguin slot.

Before I talk to you about gerry

, why don't you tell me why you aren't pushing Gerry instead of BTD considering you are following flubber's reads?

Since flubber died voting Gerry, that's obviously who he was scumreading the strongest.

And yeah, it's hard not to be vague when talking about lurkers.

Like a bawse.

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Grey is probably town but reminds me of scum RC which means probably town.

This is hilarious, but I can't townread you for it due to the preceding paragraph.

Sorry.

[-Grey-]

My mind says you'll probably flip town this game, but my gut says "don't you dare give Grey a townread this early".

Considering our history, I'd call you Scum if you did.

[-Grey-]

Seriously though why did you make 12?

Because the post I quoted was useless drivel that went nowhere.

[-Grey-]

The problem with any theories about Hans being town is that they're fatally flawed by Hans actually being scum.

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What I found interesting though was, Veebs was hard scumreading Grey whereas chilled Tea felt grey was probably town. The differing opinion on the same person makes me think Grey and Tea slot don't belong to the same faction.

How does that make any fucking sense?

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Hans: NULL/Town Lean

That's straight bullshit and I'm vote parking you once he flips red.

[-Grey-]

I have a Town read on Hans. Open thought process (which has been said before), stream of consciousness as well as his 438 which I see no reason for Hans to disagree there as Scum.

~Quick

You scum too bro?

Lot of resistance for Hans, making me feel good about a scum flip.

Town does not move their vote to appease a fucking scumread.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Jumps off Omega wagon AND VOTES SOMEONE HE ADMITS IS NOT A SCUMREAD.

We lynch momo asap.

When he flips scum,

Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.

This dies next.

Hans slinking off momo is an obvious distancing vote turned wagon derail.

I want Chaos dead because nothing about the replacement changed the fact that slot is scum.

VOTE: Omega

Jumps back on Omega wagon TO APPEASE A SCUMREAD.

my vote on spade wasn't because i specifically scum read him.

i just didn't like his content.

well i am getting a lot of hate from Grey for jumping off of the Momo wagon, so i'm jumping back again,.

He thinks I'm scum... why does he care about my hate?

cos he thinks im scum.

He thinks I'm Scum, why is he changing his vote back because I scumread him for hopping off the wagon?

Cos I had second thoughts on Spade.

@LUV why are you voting me?

How does he have second thoughts on someone HE WASN'T SCUMREADING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I don't (townread Grey) but he is trying to get me lynched.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

[-Grey-]

There is no defending that bullshit.

[-Grey-]

I don't care about your hate, i care about what everyone else thinks of me. Not you. i don't give a shit about you.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

[-Grey-]

I don't care about your hate, i care about what everyone else thinks of me. Not you. i don't give a shit about you.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

Still haven't answered this.
And still haven't voted me.

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my vote on spade wasn't because i specifically scum read him.

i just didn't like his content.

i did scum read Spade, kinda.

[-Grey-]

Nah, it's funny.

[-Grey-]

I'm never unvoting you until you are dead, Hans.

[-Grey-]

You haven't said anything worthy of a response since I voted you.

If I decide to, I will. Bit I'm not interested in convincing scum that they're scum. You already know you are.

[-Grey-]

If you were town, you'd just look the shit up without the theatrics of asking for links.

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IT'S ABOUT GODDAMNED TIME

[-Grey-]

If you were town, you'd just look the shit up without the theatrics of asking for links.

if you were town you'd give them to me.

WRONG.

I never care to Scum.

[-Grey-]

If you were town, you'd just look the shit up without the theatrics of asking for links.

if you were town you'd give them to me.

WRONG.

I never cater to Scum.

[-Grey-]

shit take back the last post. sorry

I'm not a pansy that goes crying to the mod over inconsequential bullshit, don't worry about it.

[-Grey-]

also i apologise for calling you a prick, you're just playing to your wincon.

Which is exactly why you need to die.

[-Grey-]

VOTE : ChaosOmega

I'm good with their lynch too, but prefer obvious scum over suspected scum.

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the whole "i don't cater with scum" is ridiculous.

[-Grey-]

VOTE : ChaosOmega

I'm good with their lynch too, but prefer obvious scum over suspected scum.

dude you keep on doing this whole 'obvious scum' thing. not obvious to anyone else but you.

Deluded or lying?

You decide!

[-Grey-]

and if you did spew rhetoric in your town games i dont get why you wouldn't want to provide it yourself... i get it is a respect thing and i disrespected you.
i disrespected you by calling you a prick. you're not a irl. If you are town, then in this game you're a prick.

I'm an asshole.

If you're determined to sling ad hom, at least be accurate.

[-Grey-]

and its also really exhausting playing against a player who doesn't even bothe rto read anything i write.

True. True.

VOTE: Hans

Sorry for being a fickle bitch, got cold feet over the speed and his general lost puppy dog demeanor.

What specifically makes my demeanor one of a "lost puppy dog". What post made me lose this demeanor.

pedit: i'm allegic to memes.

I thought you were meta diving?

Yet another lie.

[-Grey-]

VOTE : ChaosOmega

+1 this. kinda too late to turn back from voting Grey (why i have left it so late). think this is going to be a Jihad ting.

HE'S SO FUCKING WORRIED ABOUT HIS APPEARANCES HE WON'T VOTE HIS "SCUMREADS".

[-Grey-]

I had to twist Hans' ATM so hard I heard it snap just to get him to vote ME.

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I had to twist Hans' arm so hard I heard it snap just to get him to vote ME.

[-Grey-]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=70493

Proof that vote hopping does not make one scum.

Read my ISO, particularly d2+

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i think the previous few pages + my meta dive results should be enough tho.

Proof that he's already decided on what he plans to say his results of his supposed meta dive are.

[-Grey-]

lol how can you fake results of a meta dive? Especially for something so simple.

Very fucking easy to claim what the fuck you want about someone's meta.

[-Grey-]

lol how can you fake results of a meta dive? Especially for something so simple.

Very fucking easy to claim what the fuck you want about someone's meta.

There's a thousand different aspects to a person's playstyle, so it's no challenge to cherry pick the negative and completely exclude the positive to support one's fabricated read.

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I'll be roasting marshmallows, camped out on this scum wagon if town ever decides to pull their head out of their ass and play to their wincon.

[-Grey-]

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

This is the same scumass that got slaughtered on d1 in Open666, so... yeah.

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There's probably a 0% chance I'll get Grey out of his tunnel though.

this is true because at this point Grey can't back down. (lol he'll probably say this is vice versa and its true).

Jihad innit. He scum pushed me so far that even if he were town (

100% isn't btw

) he can't un-scum read me.

Hi pot.

[-Grey-]

Never says you said you townread him.

Keep squirming.

[-Grey-]

Never said you said you townread him.

Keep squirming.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Jumps off Omega wagon AND VOTES SOMEONE HE ADMITS IS NOT A SCUMREAD.

We lynch momo asap.

When he flips scum,

Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.

This dies next.

Hans slinking off momo is an obvious distancing vote turned wagon derail.

I want Chaos dead because nothing about the replacement changed the fact that slot is scum.

VOTE: Omega

Jumps back on Omega wagon TO APPEASE A SCUMREAD.

my vote on spade wasn't because i specifically scum read him.

i just didn't like his content.

well i am getting a lot of hate from Grey for jumping off of the Momo wagon, so i'm jumping back again,.

He thinks I'm scum... why does he care about my hate?

cos he thinks im scum.

He thinks I'm Scum, why is he changing his vote back because I scumread him for hopping off the wagon?

Cos I had second thoughts on Spade.

@LUV why are you voting me?

How does he have second thoughts on someone HE WASN'T SCUMREADING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I don't (townread Grey) but he is trying to get me lynched.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

~Quick

I can quote myself, too.

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

This is the same scumass that got slaughtered on d1 in Open666, so... yeah.

See?

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VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Jumps off Omega wagon AND VOTES SOMEONE HE ADMITS IS NOT A SCUMREAD.

We lynch momo asap.

When he flips scum,

Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.

This dies next.

Hans slinking off momo is an obvious distancing vote turned wagon derail.

I want Chaos dead because nothing about the replacement changed the fact that slot is scum.

VOTE: Omega

Jumps back on Omega wagon TO APPEASE A SCUMREAD.

my vote on spade wasn't because i specifically scum read him.

i just didn't like his content.

well i am getting a lot of hate from Grey for jumping off of the Momo wagon, so i'm jumping back again,.

He thinks I'm scum... why does he care about my hate?

cos he thinks im scum.

He thinks I'm Scum, why is he changing his vote back because I scumread him for hopping off the wagon?

Cos I had second thoughts on Spade.

@LUV why are you voting me?

How does he have second thoughts on someone HE WASN'T SCUMREADING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I don't (townread Grey) but he is trying to get me lynched.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

~Quick

I can quote myself, too.

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

This is the same scumass that got slaughtered on d1 in Open666, so... yeah.

See?

[-Grey-]

VOTE: SpadeAce

L2

Jumps off Omega wagon AND VOTES SOMEONE HE ADMITS IS NOT A SCUMREAD.

We lynch momo asap.

When he flips scum,

Pleased that Veebs and Momo have been replaced as they were definitely lynch bait, however, I think Momo's behaviour in particular was very indicative of scum. ChaosOmega is a more experienced player, so I'm sure there will be more towny content, but I'll be wary to town clear the slot anytime soon.

This dies next.

Hans slinking off momo is an obvious distancing vote turned wagon derail.

I want Chaos dead because nothing about the replacement changed the fact that slot is scum.

VOTE: Omega

Jumps back on Omega wagon TO APPEASE A SCUMREAD.

my vote on spade wasn't because i specifically scum read him.

i just didn't like his content.

well i am getting a lot of hate from Grey for jumping off of the Momo wagon, so i'm jumping back again,.

He thinks I'm scum... why does he care about my hate?

cos he thinks im scum.

He thinks I'm Scum, why is he changing his vote back because I scumread him for hopping off the wagon?

Cos I had second thoughts on Spade.

@LUV why are you voting me?

How does he have second thoughts on someone HE WASN'T SCUMREADING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I don't (townread Grey) but he is trying to get me lynched.

If this was true, why vote WITH me instead of VOTE ME??

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

~Quick

I can quote myself, too.

And you really think Scum is more likely to openly admit that they were voting for a non-scum read?

*takes off glasses*

Really now?

This is the same scumass that got slaughtered on d1 in Open666, so... yeah.

See?

Do you have a fucking point to make or what?

Answering your question, obv.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

[-Grey-]

I'm just shoving 558 in your face every time you post, Transcend.

[-Grey-]

So that's one flaw. Everyone will have flaws in their game. I acknowledged Hans' flaws and to me they read more newb-ish town than scum.

~T

THAT FLAW IS HOW YOU SUMMARIZED HIS SCUM PLAY.

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

[-Grey-]

Oh boy.

~T

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

Because you suggested i wasn't sincere with voting Momo. you accused me of trying to derail his wagon.

Feel like i've made this point before but you just choose not to listen or even bother responding or acknowledging it.

My bad everybody.

He obviously doesn't care about his appearances at all.

He said words after his actions damned him.

That makes it all better.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

Because you suggested i wasn't sincere with voting Momo. you accused me of trying to derail his wagon.

Feel like i've made this point before but you just choose not to listen or even bother responding or acknowledging it.

Read the tone in this post.. incredibly Townie.

~Quick

I don't give a fuck.

He played to his scum meta and even Transcend was forced to admit to it.

Did you really expect a confession on top of it?

[-Grey-]

k im going to bed.

not going to be here to defend myself, but fortunately i don't need to be, because all of Greys attacks on me will have been made already, and my responses are in my ISO.

Good night.

So is the reason I know you're scum.

[-Grey-]

What I get from him this game: He doesn't care about what people think about him, and I see a fairly genuine thought process. Valiant efforts to game solve. Etc.

Bullshit!

HE CHANGED HIS VOTE BACK ONTO A WAGON HE LEFT BECAUSE OF HOW IT MADE HIM LOOK.

Because you suggested i wasn't sincere with voting Momo. you accused me of trying to derail his wagon.

Feel like i've made this point before but you just choose not to listen or even bother responding or acknowledging it.

Read the tone in this post.. incredibly Townie.

~Quick

I don't give a fuck.

He played to his scum meta and even Transcend was forced to admit to it.

Did you really expect a confession on top of it?

Not going to say any more until I talk to trans.

~Quick

Yes, go scold him for proving my point.

[-Grey-]

He said words after his actions damned him.

after you accused me of trying to derail a wagon DIFFERENCE

Leaving the wagon didn't damn you.

Returning to it in order to appease YOUR SCUMREAD did.

[-Grey-]

I'm never moving off him until he dies a dead death.

[-Grey-]

For all the posturing Hans did about meta diving me, that all quietly went away because he knew it would just undermine his excuse to scumread me if he dared to try to justify it with my history.

This scumfuck needs to die today.

[-Grey-]

viewtopic.php?p=8873784&user_select%5B% ... 7#p8873784

k tbf you do spam scumcusations in this game so its NAI.

Even by the minimal work of clicking a fucking link he knew my push wasn't alignment indicative, but he has to OMGUS me because he's worried that calling me town will validate my case on him.

[-Grey-]

and more fucking grey vs hans

There will be Grey vs. Hans until Hans is dead.

[-Grey-]

Fuck that, I'm spamming this thread until Hans is dead.

[-Grey-]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

[-Grey-]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

Stop your death tunneling, its a stupid way to play.

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

[-Grey-]

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

Stop your death tunneling, its a stupid way to play.

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

yes it does. If you are the type of player who consistently death tunnels it means you are less likely to have an open mind. People who are not open minded don't have as good of reads.

Unless you have a new argument, I don't want to hear it.

All of that bullshit you're spewing hinges on one to letter word that negates every single thing that follows: If.

If

you can't show proof of your speculation being true, you should just shut the fuck up right now.

Because I can damned sure provide examples that you're wrong.

That said...

Doesn't change the fact Hans needs to die today.

[-Grey-]

Question for Hans whenever he decides to slither back into the game:

Why would you be scared of me if you are town? The only thing I have seen from you is your scum game. We've never been in any other game together aside from Open 666, where we were both scum. And that doesn't really count because you were LONG DEAD before I replaced in.

So what in the wide wide world of sports had you so intimidated about little old me when you don't really know jack shit about my play?

I -certainly- have theories, but come on, explain that one away for us, will you?

[-Grey-]

I've fully recovered from depression.

Congratulations. What's that like?

I've been battling it for almost thirty years.

[-Grey-]

Question for Hans whenever he decides to slither back into the game:

Why would you be scared of me if you are town? The only thing I have seen from you is your scum game. We've never been in any other game together aside from Open 666, where we were both scum. And that doesn't really count because you were LONG DEAD before I replaced in.

So what in the wide wide world of sports had you so intimidated about little old me when you don't really know jack shit about my play?

I -certainly- have theories, but come on, explain that one away for us, will you?

[-Grey-]

I don't give a damn what you want, scum.

If you want anything from me, you will answer me.

[-Grey-]

And I'd you don't, I'll just have to forward my theory as the only reasonable explanation.

And I don't think you want me doing that.

[-Grey-]

And if you don't, I'll just have to forward my theory as the only reasonable explanation.

And I don't think you want me doing that.

Edit.

[-Grey-]

Last chance.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

[-Grey-]

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

[-Grey-]

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

[-Grey-]

Sample role PMs

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].
Abilities:

Factional communication: Anytime

you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].
Factional Targetting: During the day, you must submit a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day. At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list.
Win condition: You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

[-Grey-]

Can't stop.

Won't stop.

[-Grey-]

Sample role PMs

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].
Abilities:

Factional communication: Anytime

you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].
Factional Targetting: During the day, you must submit a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day. At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list.
Win condition: You win when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

[-Grey-]

VOTE : ChaosOmega

+1 this.

kinda too late to turn back from voting Grey

(why i have left it so late). think this is going to be a Jihad ting.

Town doesn't say this shit. Town would simply unvote if they felt the person they were voting wasn't scum.

This is cornered scum who is forced into a 1v1.

[-Grey-]

Town: I prefer a different wagon but I can't leave this one because he's voting me


IN NO WORLD EVER

[-Grey-]

VOTE : ChaosOmega

+1 this.

kinda too late to turn back from voting Grey

(why i have left it so late). think this is going to be a Jihad ting.

Town doesn't say this shit. Town would simply unvote if they felt the person they were voting wasn't scum.

This is cornered scum who is forced into a 1v1.

There is no misrep to that whatever.

You were supporting an alternative wagon but too much of a fucking coward to put your vote where your mouth was.

That's. Not. Town.

[-Grey-]

^ scum trolling

Maximize use of that day chat, Hans.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

Gonna just echo here.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

Gonna just echo here.

Just gonna repeat this whenever SuperHans talks to me until he's dead.

[-Grey-]

All I care about today is lynching caught scum.

Anything else is colored bubbles.

There is no defending SuperHans. He's caught and he damned will knows it. So I'm not wasting further time on him.

[-Grey-]

I don't want to live in a town that lets scum!Hans stay alive, so lynch one of us today, period.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

Gonna just echo here.

Just gonna repeat this whenever SuperHans talks to me until he's dead.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

Gonna just echo here.

Just gonna repeat this whenever SuperHans talks to me until he's dead.

[-Grey-]

Okay so...

The only rational explanation for why SuperHans is so fucking scared of me is because he knows that I've seen his scum game and is aware of what I'm capable of pulling off, both due to Open 666, which is our only mutual game.

He fucked up so hard on that game he got lynched d1, and he did the same damned thing here. He knew I'd pick up on it and panicked.

Now he is suddenly growing a backbone because one of his buddies defending him suckered a townie or two into townreading his flailing and he now thinks he's untouchable.

It's now my life's mission to ensure he dies, because he gave himself away early and multiple times.

There is just literally no town perspective I can picture that would explain Hans being scared of me.

None.

Want to know why his tone improved?

DAY CHAT!

He's obviously being coached.

Gonna just echo here.

Just gonna repeat this whenever SuperHans talks to me until he's dead.

I don't really care to live in a town that sees for to let scum stay alive, so I'm fine with being lynched if they won't pull their heads out of their asses to lynch you.

[-Grey-]

Uzi Vert:

I understand why you scumread him, but lynchbait exist. Are you discounting the fact that his thought process has been transparent and his tone is genuine as fuck and not manufactured?

~T

DAY

CHAT

[-Grey-]

@QT: I've taken that all into account but the game has just become so dominated by their back and forth. I literally can't focus on anything else right now and I don't want to replace out.

I'll kick back for a couple days and focus on out games.

Not unvoting scum until it's dead though.

[-Grey-]

@QT: I've taken that all into account but the game has just become so dominated by their back and forth. I literally can't focus on anything else right now and I don't want to replace out.

I'll kick back for a couple days and focus on other games.

Not unvoting scum until it's dead though.

[-Grey-]

I'm fine with being lynched if they won't

LAMIST and also not remotely true.

I want Grey to.eat rope too, but I'm not going to completely ignore the other players with a death tunnel. There are.other players I'd be happy to see dead too at the end of the day.

"I'm fine with being lynched"
lying through his teeth.
I'm not. i know Grey is gonna just death tunnel someone else.

i'd die today IF town prommise to policy lynch Grey tomorrow.

Wrong.

One of us dies today and I truly don't give two flying fucks which because I don't want to be in this game with you in it.

Nothing personal, you're just obvious as hell scum and I'd rather be dead than put up with being in a town that won't you.

[-Grey-]

Read XnadrojX's mini normal and day 1 and how he pushed the shit out of Rainbowdash.

RD FLIPPED SCUM DIDN'T THEY

[-Grey-]

And my point is I have to get loud and obnoxious to get anything done.

[-Grey-]

I was scared of you actually grey. You were demanding LQ gang up on me. I got freaked out and thought maybe it was because of how I was playing

This is really silly I know. I shouldn't have been a scaredycat

To date, Hans has not given a rational explanation for why he fears me so much AND views my OFFER to vote Hans with LQ as a DEMAND that he vote Hans with me.

That is some Grade A panic, ladies and gents.

He was flailing beautifully until he started getting coached in day chat.

ALL THAT ASIDE, I could vote Lucca or Omega. I've got a light townread on Riley and Uzi. Not enough to hypothetically doc them, but I wouldn't lynch them d1.

[-Grey-]

I've no idea what the wagon construction is.

Enemy of my enemy, etc.

No clue who is voting him though.

[-Grey-]

ALL THAT ASIDE, I could vote Lucca or Omega.

*cough*

[-Grey-]

But when it all boils down the towny posts from Hans outweigh the scummy posts by a considerable margin.

Flawed logic in a game with day chat.

[-Grey-]

Grey took it in a completely different way and accused him of voting with his scum read

This is untrue.

I observed that he was

appeasing

his scumread.

Important distinction.

[-Grey-]

in that game he had weirdly more confidence to go after players who were widely townread such as Magna or Doomfeathers. thing he's not doing here with Grey.

You were saying?

[-Grey-]

Not really happy with lucca's flopped read on Hans, feels like his scumread was distancing that he had to back out of after it gained more traction than he wanted.

[-Grey-]

After the ten seconds it took me to read Omega's ISO, I'm willing to sacrifice him to the desolate one.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

Do something or die.

[-Grey-]

I'm fine with being lynched if they won't

LAMIST and also not remotely true.

I want Grey to.eat rope too, but I'm not going to completely ignore the other players with a death tunnel. There are.other players I'd be happy to see dead too at the end of the day.

"I'm fine with being lynched"
lying through his teeth.
I'm not. i know Grey is gonna just death tunnel someone else.

i'd die today IF town prommise to policy lynch Grey tomorrow.

Wrong.

One of us dies today and I truly don't give two flying fucks which because I don't want to be in this game with you in it.

One of the worst fucking attitudes you can have toward the game. Grow up.

~Quick

Well if you're going to be a dickhead

VOTE: SuperHans

[-Grey-]

on the coaching theory: I can see it happening. but I don't see a big change on hans ISO:

whether it's scummy or townie, it's all consistent. the frustration, the flailing, it's all there.

also, I'll say if hans had access to daychat, he would have voted Grey much earlier. much earlier. so there's that.

Well Lucca, in a world where Hans is town, I picture QT, ChaosOmega, & one of BTD/PimHel as scum together.

{Grey, Hans}

{LUV}

{chilled, matt}

{BTD6, Pim}

{Riley, Spade}

{Chaos, Lucca}

{Frederick}

This needs to engage more, and he had a very bad sequence of posts that did not get pressured at all. I'd like to see that happen.

VOTE: Frederick

That's a beautiful reads list, isn't it? Only two nulls. On day 1.

It's almost like they built those reads.

They call Fred out for his lack of activity, but give both PimHel & BTD a pass.

And in my experience, hard townreading both members of a blood feud and preaching from the sidelines tends to come from scum because the townreads keep them distanced from the vitriol while the preaching serves to fuel shade others base superficial scumreads on.

I'd have expected Town!QT to bring pressure to bear upon me to end my death tunnel since I was basically troll spamming while I railed against Hans.

Not to mention their behavior around the ChaosOmega slot, who they've been shading all day but now all of a sudden we learn one head reads as town.

So yeah... there's where I am.

[-Grey-]

If you're going to insist on Hans town, my vote will just go to QT.

Already explained why and nobody has convinced me otherwise.

[-Grey-]

Omega would be like, a deadline compromise for me at this point, but we're nowhere near that.

I'd rather push for an active scumread to be lynched right now.

[-Grey-]

I scum read you because you were trying to get other players to vote on me from the beginning.
As early as #50 you have been calling for my lynch. This caused me to gut scum read you.

I'M NOT VOTING ANYONE BUT HANS TODAY!!! sorry everybody!!! Just cos his tone is good doesn't mean he's town!!! I haven't heard any reason why he's townsies!!!! AND I THINK IF HE WAS TOWN LOTSA SCUM WOULD JOIN IT TO GOBBLE UP A TOWNIE WITHOUT LOOKING BAD!!! but nobody has!!!!

If you could kill two players instantly rn, and you use your first shot on me, who would your second shot be on?

Not that you're asking me, bit I'd empty the clip to be sure.

[-Grey-]

@grey, 752: someone who townreading both players and preaching from the sidelines? well, let's see if QT will think that is a BS read.

Do you seriously believe a world exists in which they would endorse it? I don't see why they would as either alignment.

[-Grey-]

@LUV
Who do you think is my partner

Why are you only asking about one partner when the running theory is you being mafia, which points to two partners?

I think Hans just slipped being WW.

[-Grey-]

That actually makes a whole lot of sense now that I think about it.

It explains the friction his wagon is running into, because WW can't afford to lose a member, and mafia are likely hesitant to support an opposing Scum lynch on d1.

ChaosOmega is either bad town or mafia that can't find a way to justify leaving the wagon now that it's established due to the possibility of me coming after him if he does.

[-Grey-]

Give me this lynch.

If it flips town, I'll take my medicine on d2. There is just no way I can picture Hans flipping town. If he does, I'll own it.

[-Grey-]

fuck

[-Grey-]

SCUM.

FUCKING.

CONFESSION.

[-Grey-]

Dear Mafia: I beg you, do not put my name in the list today.

Maybe town will paranoia lynch me for not being there!

[-Grey-]

Seriously, anyone posting without a Hans vote at this point is a scum claim.

[-Grey-]

Even if you don't believe the slip, HANS CONFESSED

[-Grey-]

fuck

100% caught scum response.

[-Grey-]

PARTY TIME!

Another d1 scum lynch, brought to you courtesy of -Grey- the megaphone.

[-Grey-]

mafia please be nice and don't put us on the list. we'll be nice to you guys when we lynch you

~T

You spent the day defending Hans, no way you'll be on the list.

[-Grey-]

Hans, declaring fear of me was your fatal mistake.

I just could not wrap my head around you saying that as town.

[-Grey-]

Lucca & QT both need to die, btw.

[-Grey-]

the fear thing was genuine, not sure why you insisted that was so scummy.

I believed it was genuine!

That's why I was certain you were scum.

[-Grey-]

so many of your arguments sucked really bad. i was genuinely pissed off you insisted iwas getting coached.

Hey, when I get my sights set on a lynch, I will say whatever I need to say to make the lynch happen.