Open 612 - Bad Poets Society - Game Over - Town Win

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Vote: parabola

This is for the best, I feel.

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oh fire



guys my vote was serious why does no-one want to engage me on that?????

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Alright that was embarassing.

UNVOTE: The Fire Hermit

it's ok, we're laughing with you, not at you

guys my vote was serious why does no-one want to engage me on that?????

Actually your vote on him made me check his iso, and I don't really disagree with your stance.

But Grayyyyyyyyy

agreement is so boringgggg

free town points to anyone who can guess why i made this vote. bonus points for being first.

ooooohhhhh! I KNOW THIS ONE!!!!!

Is it a reaction test? It's ALWAYS a reaction test.

Normally a townie doesn't ask for engagement on his own posts. But goodmorning seems to be trying to draw attention to himself, so that looks townie to me.

This looks like a contradiction of sorts.

That said, I WANNA FIGHT SOME BITCHES

AHHHH

p-edit: yup, definitely a reaction test then

boorrrinngggg

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Looks like an attempt to grab credit for ending RVS etc, anyone could see that 'lol my vote might or might not be serious' is obviously not serious ffs

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@GM - 37 - Lets talk more on this. When on earth do people get credit for ending RVS?

They don't, but they might think they do which is more relevant to the situation.

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@Mod: I'm totally voting parabola.

He could have asked why it was a serious vote,

p r e c i s e l y

I'm interested to know what you might be seeing regarding GM.

Generally, I've been raised to not immediately reveal these things until more time has passed, allowing more players to chime in. Particularly, the player being pressured. (In this case, GM.)

I'm still not taking it seriously. I thought I'd made that clear already?

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You sound far too reasonable to be Town.

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You sound far too reasonable to be Town.

Lol wat

Town are seldom reasonable, that's their charm.

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Yeah, I could vote Trivium.

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@Constantine: No, that's what secret alts are for.

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I don't agree with 'waiting for time to pass' if the player being waited on isn't really being pushed to answer, which appears to be the case. Now that goodmorning has weighed in below, would you feel like sharing your feelings on them?

Sure. If Ika saw the same thing I did, it's basically the contrast between GM's first post and second. In GM's first post, there was a decent vote with a decent reason: could be serious, could be random, good content generator. Yet in the second post GM made, regardless of whether GM's vote was actually serious or not, the tone behind it was clearly less serious, rather than more.

That pinged me as being a bit unnatural. But it's not very strong, whereas my Errantparabola suspicion is.

It's an Open. I rarely take Opens seriously.

You sound far too reasonable to be Town.

Is that a personal trait for Maxwell?
Or do you mean in general?

I meant Maxwell, specifically in post 73.

Worthy of note: in addition to Errantparabola, I've got my eye on GM (see above), Brunneis, and Trivium.

I don't think all four are scum, but I think we've got at least two in that group of four.

Talk to me about Trivium - What stuck out for you with him?

Why ask Ranger and not meeeeeee?

p-edit: well, scum can and do reaction test, but parabola has deeply mischaracterised the nature of this test in particular in an attempt to make it seem scummy so he can push makara

which is a thing that scum do, decide who they're pushing and misconstrue evidence after

js

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p-edit was @98, of course

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If you have never heard of a reaction test vote, you are bad.

Oh I've HEARD of a reaction test vote before, I just don't like them. At all. Care to explain why anyone would ever reaction vote for a good reason?

uhhhhh... to test someone's reaction?

I don't like the Errant wagon. Seems to me like people are voting him for post 71, and I agree with his view on 71. I also think goodmorning looks town, however, we mustn't put too much trust in someone who isn't IC.

w h a t

It's an Open. I rarely take Opens seriously.

what
why

I don't know why, I just don't. They're more fun that way. It's not like I'm not going to play it well, I'm just not going to play it seriously.

well, scum can and do reaction test, but parabola has deeply mischaracterised the nature of this test in particular in an attempt to make it seem scummy so he can push makara

i'm willing to hear you out on why it isn't scummy but i really need a justification. right now it feels like there's this piece of information that everyone is privy to that i'm missing out on.

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

By playstyle I meant I literally can't hope but look over my posts to see what other people might think about them. And yes, it is inhibiting. Thats why I play this, so I can learn to care less of what others think of me. Maybe that will help me though on later games when people check my meta. Nobody would be able to tell the difference between my scum and town play.

Good luck, because I edit my posts to death approximately

all the time

and still haven't learned how to stop.

I don't really know how to respond to Trivium's response to the IC pressure.

I don't either, but Trivium's question to you is actually a reasonably good one.

At any rate, I do actually agree with Trivium about Makara, but the circumstances were odd, and I want to be sychronized with my hydra partner.

Complete synchronisation is overrated, and since you're an IC we can't even lynch you for hydra dissonance. Make the most of it!

@Trivium: ...because people have been talking to me directly about it?

Hmmmmmmm. Come to think of it I distinctly recall asking you a question earlier and I don't think you answered.

goodmorning: So, you're not going to be playing seriously? Good to know.

Yes, though as I mentioned above that doesn't preclude me from playing well.

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Anyways, do you commonly make wall posts GM, just wondering.

I quote stripe, yeah. You can always ctrl+f my ISO for 'Fire' if you want to see what I'm saying to you.

Basically, the idea is to do X action, so that people react. You expect them to react like Y or Z. You think Y is more like what Town would do, and Z is more like what Scum would do. Then it gives you a good foundation to start reading people from.

Now, I have seen people try to duck out of scummy actions by screaming "REACTION TEST!"
But makara's initial action wasn't scummy and your characterisation of it thus doesn't fill me with confidence.

Yes, I can see that. I think where I was deviating from you is my train of thought, which went a bit something like this.

- I thought that Ranger's vote was just to put pressure on makara by saying that the vote might be serious.
- I took makara's omgus serious vote at face value.
- I thought that a serious vote in response to a pressure vote was an overreaction.

I think it makes sense that I would think that the reaction test was backtracking considering I thought makaras vote was odd in the first place. I also think it would make sense that I was suspicious of the reaction test claim as a whole was bad play. The reason being:

- I thought that the overreaction was scummy.
- I thought that acting scummy and then saying that it was a reaction test is essentially an excuse for acting scummy.

This is reasonably sensible.

Unvote

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I might be down with a Brunneis wagon?

I need to reread - but after my V/LA, because I am

V/LA til Sunday

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p-edit: i am not so sure i like that post parabola w h a t

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Also, to the people who have thrown suspicion on me but haven't stated anything beyond that

(Which is about 3: Ranger, (One Half?) Of Fire Hermit, and probably someone else I forgot to mention.)

Could someone please explain their scumreads on me?

And me!
No, I can't. I'm still trying to explain it to myself. Words aren't doing a good job of being sufficient to the purpose.

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I don't think 33 and 78 look scripted.
I do think 169 looks scripted.
Hmm.

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Varsoon, the IC are Firebringer and Constantine. T

hey aren't idiots,

but their role status doesn't grant them any extra scumhunting talent, certainly not on Day 1.

You're reminding me of Classic Rock Varsoon. FoS

I am glad we got that bit clarified.
Hermit and Fire are a pair to be reckoned with.

I, for one, am not necessarily entirely convinced you aren't idiots. We should probably have an extremely long dialogue on the subject and choke logical discussion in the thread absolutely to death.

Someone explain to me why the whole scripted thing is scummy when trivium said that he looked and edited over his posts a great amount. Wouldnt that just he his playstyle?

see, you go around being super scummy and THEN YOU JUST BE REASONABLE

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THAT?????

[goodmorning]

Also, to the people who have thrown suspicion on me but haven't stated anything beyond that

(Which is about 3: Ranger, (One Half?) Of Fire Hermit, and probably someone else I forgot to mention.)

Could someone please explain their scumreads on me?

And me!
No, I can't. I'm still trying to explain it to myself. Words aren't doing a good job of being sufficient to the purpose.

GM, the last time I heard you say something like this was when Taly was town, you were scum - both in a Newbie game, and you destroyed town as a perfect mafia win.

If you can't even explain your own suspicions, then could you at least give a more coherent strip of your thought process right now?

The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.
Thought process about what?

I don't think 33 and 78 look scripted.
I do think 169 looks scripted.
Hmm.

OK, so you disagree with the idea that someone's posts are scripted even when they admit that themselves in post 173

Instead of communicating why you disagreed (Like actual town who are trying to figure shit out), you then accuse that the post that calls out the person who

ADMITTED

to what they did wrong - is scripted, and that instead of verifying why you thought it was scripted, you basically just said -"Hmm, doesn't look good."

Editing your posts to death isn't the same as scripting them, especially given that your definition of 'scripted' seems to me to connote some amount of 'feigned emotion.' Trivium's posts don't seem to have that particular quality of fakeness to them.

GM, can you explain all of this Trivium white-knighting?

What, you mean like in 35, where I said his post 33 looked like a contradiction?
Or like in post 82, where I expressed that I could definitely vote him?
Or in 130, where found him somewhat self-contradictory again?
yup, that is some hella WK-ing there, you caught me.

Why are you coming at us with the idea that we are scripted in our responses, but then you haven't even noted against the past 3 people that have jumped on the Trivium suspicion/wagon for similar - if not almost the exact same reasoning that you're trying to argue?

Because they aren't scripted in their posts? Because they haven't been rubbing me the wrong way since page 1? Because the narrative that I give a shit about a wagon on Trivium is entirely fabricated by you in an attempt to scumread me for fucking whiteknighting, of all things?

I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at GM, and you're giving me even more ideas that you - and possibly Trivium, are scumbuddies.

This doesn't make grammatical sense, which weirdly makes me more inclined to think you're Scum? I can't be scumbuddies alone, and I know we were hoping we'd pull Scum together...

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I'm gonna go find that Open where I wanted to hardcore dismantle a wagon on a low-hanging NewbTown but didn't because I thought I'd get scumread for WKing and then got scumread for WKing anyway.

That one was a ridiculous clusterfuck.

[goodmorning]

Found it!
Warning: ridiculous amounts of anger ahead!

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Yet weirdly you were just idiotic enough to miss my heavy-handed sarcasm.

ffsssssss

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Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

You should get Taly to respond to my responses instead of taking passive-aggressive shots, possibly.

Found it!
Warning: ridiculous amounts of anger ahead!

I read that game when I was new here. It was a nightmare.

It remains one of the worst games I've ever been a part of.

I just don't see scum goodmorning saying that scum Trivium's posts don't look forced.

tbh if they don't then they don't; I'd say it as any alignment regardless of Trivium's.

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idk how I feel about Gray rn.

I don't get the wagon on Brunneis. What are people finding scummy about them?

Everything.

Also if they flip Scum that post looks bad.

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We only have a week.
There's way too much fluff.
People aren't doing enough
To find the Scum we seek.

@Trivium: Reaction tests aren't usually meant to confirm what you already know though. They're meant to gain reads, not strengthen them. And if someone says a vote was a reaction test and you don't believe them, you just ask what Town's reaction would be and what Scum's reaction would be. If they can't say, then you know that it wasn't a very good reaction test and that implies a level of scumminess.

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The good ones are the ones no-one notices, and anyway there are plenty enough newer players in this game that the feasibility goes way up.

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That last couple of sentences was directed towards makara. And about whether a townie is more likely to use reaction votes for strengthening or gaining scumreads- my opinion is that it is more likely for townie to do it for the former, and my opinion will change throughout games I play, and not because someone told me I was wrong. So to me, makaras vote was scummy, so everyone is just going to have to deal with that.

If you think about it for a minute I think you'll realise that Scum have a harder time coming up with reasons to suspect people than Town do, and that Town have a harder time deciding who to trust than Scum do.

But you're under no obligation to agree with me.

[goodmorning]

Then what the hell would the point of having a hydra be?

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I just do not like having to keep changing accounts

I am going to be more sympathetic towards hydra slipping after this game

The goddamn irony!

So log in to one acct on Chrome and one on Firefox or something.

The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.
Thought process about what?

That doesn't make me feel better about my suspicions on you...
Well, I've yet to get a defined reason on peoples scumread on me, and since you already stated that it's difficult for you to explain yourself about that - then I don't understand what you're thinking, so anything you could say beside rebutting my argument and implicating what I say is fake would be a nice start.

I don't think it was meant to.
Your posts just don't feel right, and they haven't from the start. I didn't mention it for a number of reasons, but enough people apparently also see what I saw that I see no reason not to say it now.

Editing your posts to death isn't the same as scripting them, especially given that your definition of 'scripted' seems to me to connote some amount of 'feigned emotion.' Trivium's posts don't seem to have that particular quality of fakeness to them.

I looked more at his posts and the game you referenced, I can see more and more that Trivium is town. But I don't understand why when in 169and 170 - you then posted that the push against Trivium and the idea that you're a scum buddy - that my other half started - was scripted.

I just don't know why whenever we jumped on the Trivium wagon, you said that our initial post was 'scripted'

What game I referenced? The Open? That was meant to be a reference on WKing and silliness, not really to do with Trivium at all.

Right after you said you couldn't explain yourself in your read about me, and said that you're still trying to explain yourself when you've provided nothing else about why you thought it was scripted, why you haven't even acted on your suspicions of Trivium, and why you're giving ideas to throw suspicion on me without even looking at the posts that we referenced that made us feel uncertain about Trivium.

I haven't really acted on my suspicions of anyone, and I don't suspect Trivium enough atm to bother.
I did look at the posts, or how would I have been able to say I didn't think they looked scripted? I've read every word of this game, and most twice.

Because they aren't scripted in their posts? Because they haven't been rubbing me the wrong way since page 1? Because the narrative that I give a shit about a wagon on Trivium is entirely fabricated by you in an attempt to scumread me for fucking whiteknighting, of all things?

So your reasoning behind saying that our push on Trivium and our GM+Triv idea is scripted...

Is because you've thought we were scripted this entire time - as opposed to several other people in this game that has pushed someone else for whatever reason? OK, this is not only inaccurate, but this entire thing feels weird - and this is partially why I'm suspicious of you, GM. Not only because I'm apparently "fabricating" the idea that there are inconsistencies with you and Trivium.

Weirdly, I said that

one particular post

of yours felt scripted. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
What inconsistencies?

This doesn't make grammatical sense, which weirdly makes me more inclined to think you're Scum? I can't be scumbuddies alone, and I know we were hoping we'd pull Scum together...

Um, did I miss something? I stated that you and Trivium are possibly scumbuddies. That's all.

I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at GM, and you're giving me even more ideas that you - and possibly Trivium, are scumbuddies.

What doesn't make sense about this?

"and possibly Trivium" implicitly implies "and possibly not Trivium." Take Trivium out, and...

I have absolutely no idea what you're getting at GM, and you're giving me even more ideas that you are scumbuddies.

But yeah, pulling scum for once in eternity would have been nice - sadly, that isn't the case here.

This sentence doesn't do anything at all to reassure me.

I just have to go driving road-practicing for the second time.... I'm scared half to death, and socially drained since I just got back from a 6 hour long gaming/writing session...

You'll be fine, driving's not so bad. I remember how terrified I was to learn to drive, but 5 years on and I'm not dead - and this in a state full of elderly drivers who crash into convenience stores at least once a week.

This is semi-important, or I wouldn't ask. Who wrote that post, Brunneis?

P sure it was Taly, or Klingon would have answered my questions earlier than this.

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The reason I do so well as Mafia is because the things I say as Mafia are the exact same as the things I say as Town. I've been reasonably decent at deceit recently, if I do say so myself.
Thought process about what?

That doesn't make me feel better about my suspicions on you...

But yeah, pulling scum for once in eternity would have been nice - sadly, that isn't the case here.

This sentence doesn't do anything at all to reassure me.

Putting these two quotes side by side makes for a good laugh, huh?
I'm not sure what to make of it, I'm leaning toward it just being coincidence that both of you decided to say these things. But still, heh.

I find it interesting that my quote is self-incriminating while theirs is self-clearing.

If you really thought we were Scum, because Everything, you would have said "when," not "if."

Or, possibly, that's not really my playstyle.

List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

1. Everything.
2. etc.

Taly is indeed nervous about being mislynched. He's fairly new, and we all know that as noobs we wanted to be the ones to lead Town to a Great Victory, all hail! Getting mislynched Day1 sucks, bites, eats, and blows. I hate to see my other head wagoned, he's fookin' brilliant. Where I come from a fine mind's as rare as gold-pressed latinum.

Actually you've just reminded me that Taly was super townreadable in the game I had with him. Like, yeah, I was Mafia, but like I said, I'd have townread him anyway.
So why should Taly, if Town, be worried about being lynched? If you're actually Town he should be expecting me to pick up on that sooner rather than later and swoop to the rescue in Helios' magic chariot.

The way Brunneis speaks is what bothers me, but I think thats already been addressed by goodmorning above.

The 'i'm not picking on you, Ranger' thing, especially. Like, it looks like you're trying to make sure Ranger (or someone else) doesn't accuse you of something. It rubs me the wrong way.

Thank you for this, it clears up a lot.

Taly is indeed nervous about being mislynched. He's fairly new, and we all know that as noobs we wanted to be the ones to lead Town to a Great Victory, all hail! Getting mislynched Day1 sucks, bites, eats, and blows. I hate to see my other head wagoned, he's fookin' brilliant. Where I come from a fine mind's as rare as gold-pressed latinum.

I'm not too keen on getting mislynched myself. It's a regular thing for me, I'm low-hanging fruit. I'm also damn good at finding Scum, so they don't want me around. If I'm not the Day1 mislynch I'm the Night1 kill.

Varsoon and Ika know how I think as Scum and as Town. They've not only played both alignments with me, they've modded both alignments as well. Varsoon can tell you, if I were Scum, Town would have lost already, the carnage would be horrific, the streets would run with blood, heads on pikes at the city gates, you get the picture.

Kling

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

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It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

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@Max: I agree with Trivium, the number of words that Brunneis are spending to assert their towniness rather than just acting Town is too damn high.

I don't think my willingness to say that I'm good at playing Scum recently or their willingness to reassure us they're Town are necessarily indicative of anything more than playstyle.

Though the sky is blue.

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It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Kinda? I'm 100% doing ym scum meta intentionaly i was waiting for ppl to realzie it.

Hi gm how ar eyou

gladder now you've posted this? idk why, it isn't very helpful

but still

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@Brunneis 258: I'll answer this later, I'm too tired rn and also we'll probably be going around twice.

Ika's not throwing up any red flags for me yet.
It's been awhile since I've played with Taly, so, again, I'm not confident there.
Sorry, don't really have much to sink my fangs into.

I feel like Ranger's recent post is on-point.
I'd say that we lynch between those three for sure, sure.

I could vote this.

And not only because there's no .gif in this post.

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I have like 0 feelings about duppin and it is super annoying to me

It occurs to me that ika's kinda playing to his Scum meta atm.

Could you elaborate

He basically doesn't do shit.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Shit, that's a good point, they've both been calling me Scum for fucking ages.

wait a minute brunneis, if you think me and goodmorning are scumpartners, why did you say that goodmorning is "slowly" starting to look scum to you? Is he scum or not?

Taly and I are not 100% in agreement.

Klingoncelt

Aren't you?

Yes he is. He and Goodmorning are the droids you're looking for.

Klingoncelt

Is there anything else that you find scummy about goodmorning or is this purely associative?

Associative,

mostly

. Plus reasons.

Klingoncelt

Both of you have been calling me Scum for a while now.

List your reasons for calling us Scum. Everything one of them.

1. Everything.
2. etc.

Very funny.

Please attempt to build a case on us.

Wherefore?

Actually you've just reminded me that Taly was super townreadable in the game I had with him. Like, yeah, I was Mafia, but like I said, I'd have townread him anyway.
So why should Taly, if Town, be worried about being lynched? If you're actually Town he should be expecting me to pick up on that sooner rather than later and swoop to the rescue in Helios' magic chariot.

Unless you're Scum trying to get him mislynched...

Except, as I've already mentioned, I was Scum in that game, and I rescued him then anyway. That's how I play. I townread the people I would townread if I were Town. It's easiest that way.

I feel like the point of this entire post is to look like town. You make a whole lot of posts, but you aren't asking questions, you aren't scum hunting, you're just trying to make yourself look town.

...Trivium, are you actually Town after all?
I think you are.

OH NO DID I JUST WK YOU?????

omg

Just like a good little Scumbuddy should...

lol

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Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

You're going to townread him based on WIFOM?
Newsflash: people claim Scum as Scum all the time. It doesn't go against anyone's wincon.
Also, by this logic, you should be townreading me too since I've also said I'm playing by my Scum meta.

gm - wk's Trivium lots

p sure we've been over this already

I can say the sky is green as often as I like but it's still not going to make it true.

Varsoon has also attracted a fair amount of scum suspicion as well.

eyyyy more agreement

we cool

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Vedith is probably Town.

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I'm not being lynched today, don't bother trying.

P-Edit:
You can delete stuff you're not asking about, you know.
Why Varsoon? I've been sort of meh on most of his stuff, but 260 is just bad. ika is totally playing to his Scum meta, there's plenty of stuff in this game for one to sink one's fangs into, Ranger's post was just 'omg guys, look, wagons exist and i'm going to randomly call these people Scum for no apparent reason', and if there's nothing for him to 'sink his fangs into' then why is he suddenly fine with narrowing the lynch pool to three (based on what, exactly)?

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Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

You're going to townread him based on WIFOM?
Newsflash: people claim Scum as Scum all the time. It doesn't go against anyone's wincon.

The last time I saw a scummy claim her alignment she got modkilled and ate a ban.

Kc

Let me guess - the mod was Monkey or someone like him?

@Hermit: I don't think they're going to be a distraction, but I do think they're Scum.
I agree that the overreaction looks fake.

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That doesn't mean I don't agree with you either, Klingon. It is true that Fire Hermit has been a pretty trolly IC, even extremely so, but don't flip out over it.

tbqh they are a lot less troll-y than the last time i saw either of them play

so

You're supposed to be the fucking Town Leader, but you're nothing but a dumbass troll.

Since when did an IC have more knowledge than us? It's day 1, you won't ever have everyone with the exact opinion, regardless if confirmed town or not.

The IC actually has less knowledge than the rest of us; we all know the roles of 2 people (4 for Scum), they only know 1.

Ika Musume - Ika straight-out claims to be playing by his Scum meta. Does that mean he's Scum? If it does, then he's playing against his win condition. Town.

You're going to townread him based on WIFOM?
Newsflash: people claim Scum as Scum all the time. It doesn't go against anyone's wincon.

The last time I saw a scummy claim her alignment she got modkilled and ate a ban.

Kc

You know, I didn't even notice that you ignored my most important sentence here: I've also said I'm playing to my Scum meta. If you're townreading Ika for that - and it must be for that alone, because he hasn't done much else - why aren't you townreading me for the exact same thing?

You also didn't answer my question about the mod, so I've answered it for you:
NS modkilled elusive in NY181 for being a dick, basically.
ika modkilled NJ and elusive in NY180 for p much the same reason.
Monkey modkilled RIP in DS9 for quoting from his role PM.
Micc modkilled Whatisswag for claiming Scum. I assume this is the one you mean? He literally claimed his entire role, made it abundantly clear that he wasn't joking, and

asked to be modkilled

. That's a far cry from this or any one of the trillion other times I've seen people claim Scum.
tbqh I probably would have just let them lynch him.

I literally had to go through all your games for that, so thanks for wasting my time!

[goodmorning]

Oh, and here's the reason he ate that ban, btw:

Whatisswag has been banned from all Mafia games for a month for sending a player in an ongoing game an unsolicited PM with reads and commentary on their play. His PM access has also been revoked during that time period.

So thanks for misrepresenting the situation!

[goodmorning]

what up with all the false dichotomies in this game eh?

[goodmorning]

how so, gm?

Well, the big one I'm seeing is Trivium vs Brunneis. Do you not?

[goodmorning]

how so, gm?

Well, the big one I'm seeing is Trivium vs Brunneis. Do you not?

I'm subscribing to that, yes. Both of them are scummy, but their interactions suggest it'd be weird for both of them to be scum. Hence, the 'vs.' I've been comparing the two because Brunneis has a wagon and Trivium is also a recognized scumread by some people.

Are you townreading both of them, or are you having a problem with the game being set up in a vs format despite it being D1? Are you wary of the 'one flips town, we lynch the other' idea? Which is a stupid idea, by the way.

No, I'm scumreading Brunneis and townreading Trivium. I'm just wary of dichotomies, no matter how reasonable they seem to be.

I like Varsoon's vote then unvote, if Brunneis is town. It looked to be in response to Brunneis' posts, coupled with a sudden change in plans that I see more often from town than scum, who have at least a bit of a plan in mind.

idk, I don't think Town usually have plans to change iykwim.

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^sure

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Those of you advocating Varsoon lynch.. is it because of his stance on errant? What didn't you like about his explanation?

Like, what are the concrete reasons for scumreading Varsoon, again? I know early game it was his joke posts, but that can't carry over to where we are now.

Well, there's this thing I posted:

Why Varsoon? I've been sort of meh on most of his stuff, but 260 is just bad. ika is totally playing to his Scum meta, there's plenty of stuff in this game for one to sink one's fangs into, Ranger's post was just 'omg guys, look, wagons exist and i'm going to randomly call these people Scum for no apparent reason', and if there's nothing for him to 'sink his fangs into' then why is he suddenly fine with narrowing the lynch pool to three (based on what, exactly)?

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What does being wary of dichotomies mean to you, Goodmorning?

It means that I am wary of them.

What was the point of that question?

@FH: 50% of all setups generated will include a Serial Killer.

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Vote: Brunneis

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That's not a very Town-Vedith post.

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A fair point.

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That's not a fair point at all.
If you're like, "Hey, bro, that sure was scummy!"
And he's all "Yup! Everything I say is scummy!"
You do not go "Oh, okay, free pass."

It's Vedith tho

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They already have accused me of WKing despite the fact that at the time they said it I'd expressed 3 negative, 3 neutral, and only 1 positive sentiment towards Trivium.

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Deadline is 17.5 hours away, we need some wagon consolidation ASAP.

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And Brunneis and Trivium should claim now if there's a reason we shouldn't run them up, so we don't waste time and votes.

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Deadline is 17.5 hours away, we need some wagon consolidation ASAP.

This means you, Ika, Vedith, Ranger, Makara, parabola, and duppin.

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So I should unvote someone I think is scum and vote for someone that my scum read is voting for or claiming as scum?

I legit don't know how you missed that A. I'm not Scum and B. I'm townreading Trivium, but yes, you should. It's called compromising at deadline.

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That's L-1. I'll hammer before I go to bed.

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Though I think it's a mistake and that the Brunneis wagon is better.