(i will be able to post between now and sunday, just not super frequently)
VOTE: bloobloby
huh, in my experience i've found the opposite, that newbies are often hesitant to lynch the icIn post 19, Mewtaph wrote:Not necessarily, but it is common for newbies to be distrustful of the IC.
hey, can you talk about what you mean here a little more?In post 22, YyottaCat wrote:Also this might be easier than playing mafia in real life, just because if you are a mafia meember, you won't start laughing for some weird reasons on the next day.
VOTE: player name [ /vote]In post 23, starrydash wrote:Hey everyone, i'm new here! Just one quick question how do you do the special vote formatting?
yeah in the games that i've been in i've mostly seen the formerIn post 25, Mewtaph wrote:I've seen both. There's a) the hesitance of lynching the most experienced player and also b) paranoia towards the most experienced player being too helpful (guided slightly by their responsibilities as an IC).
(i'm a she btw)In post 27, Doughboy wrote:People shouldn’t be afraid to lynch the IC if they truly think he’s scum. The SEs can answer questions about theory and that’s really the only job of an IC.
why do you want to wagon him?In post 30, NotNova wrote:Anyone wanna vote nousername with me?
@yyottacatIn post 24, skitter30 wrote:hey, can you talk about what you mean here a little more?In post 22, YyottaCat wrote:Also this might be easier than playing mafia in real life, just because if you are a mafia meember, you won't start laughing for some weird reasons on the next day.
i guess i'm asking because this post seems to me like it's kinda written from scum's pov - you're comparing this game to a game of irl mafia and saying that scum may have it easier here, in forum mafia, if i'm understanding this post rightIn post 22, YyottaCat wrote:IDK honestly, but I wouldIn post 13, NotNova wrote:@YyottaCat, how much experience do you have playing mafia? Would you say you prefer playing mafia or town?probablyprefer mafia. The only reason is probably the private chats so I can have more thing to do. Also, I have basically 0 mafia experience here, but I'll try my best. Also this might be easier than playing mafia in real life, just because if you are a mafia meember, you won't start laughing for some weird reasons on the next day.
Because she's looking at this game and comparing it to how she reacted as scum in a game of irl-mafia (as opposed to, say, how she reacted as town)In post 37, Doughboy wrote:I don’t see how that’s written from scum POV, but I guess that’s why I’ve never been a fan of those kind of questions.
Idk what you're trying to say hereIn post 38, YyottaCat wrote:Is this some kind of fake investigation?In post 36, skitter30 wrote:ok, and i find that a little scummy since it seems that you're writing about approaching this game from scum's pov
hey, what do you think about the game thus far?In post 52, PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese wrote:VOTE: Mewtaph
His avatar looks too much like anime. He's obviously scum.
a) why are you answering for starrydash?In post 54, YyottaCat wrote:I think it's because the reason is sudden and questionable, why would even she ask the question in the first place?
a) you said i had no valid reason for doing soIn post 57, starrydash wrote:Skitter could have a valid reason, but talking from a scum's POV isn't scummy
do you think the overkill slot is scummier than me rn?In post 71, YyottaCat wrote:Since overki replaced nousername and I was originally voting nousername,
UNVOTE: skitter30
VOTE: overki
A) i agree that it can be in some circumstances; i dont think it is for me.In post 90, NotNova wrote:The reason is twofold:
a) I think talking around someone for long enough without voting them is a minor scumtell, so I wanted to get your thoughts on the matter.
b) I like the theory of the vote as a "weapon." Essentially, I think one should in most cases be voting whoever they find scummiest at the time to put more pressure on the slot and develop a solid read.
In addition, I think this works very well early in the game — from my experience, the game moves out of RVS very quickly after a wagon gets to L-2 or L-1.
Do you disagree with this? Why do you find merit in waiting around when the game has been stalled for quite a while?
In post 89, skitter30 wrote:@yyottacat can you answer the questions i asked you please?
i think we've left rvsIn post 94, NotNova wrote:Aren't these two posts at odds?
By "waiting around" I meant "waiting around to cast a 'serious' vote", which you admitted to doing.
The game might not have been "stalled" per se, but certainly it has been quite slow? 4 pages in a bit over 4 days with a lot of them being replacement notifications doesn't feel like a very high tempo to me.
Does "transitioning out of RVS" mean in RVS or not in RVS? Certainly I'd lean toward the former in the context of your post, am I wrong?
Let's try a different line - do you have strong feelings about anyone that isn't Yyotta? Leaning town or scum on anyone? Would you care to join any of the other wagons, if you think voting on Yyotta's is unwise?
what if i had been quickhammered and flipped scum?In post 97, NotNova wrote:I think skitter is at L-1.
No one vote skitter without claiming intent first!
Quickhammering is effectively claiming scum - in other words, you will get lynched tomorrow. No exceptions.
i think the way you're approaching her rn kinda fits how i imagine scum would be interacting towards town!herIn post 103, skitter30 wrote:i do think that if she's town she's an incredibly easy mislynch target for scum to get, and i think it's very likely that scum are pushing her rn irregardless of her alignment (ie i imagine her partner would want to bus her here).
basically this post is how i think scum approach town!yyotta most of the time hereIn post 92, NotNova wrote:Honestly I almost feel like Yyotta's literally claiming scum and we're all just too aghast to realize it.
it felt to me like you were emphasizing the scum-claim interpretation.In post 116, NotNova wrote:I really can't tell which it is either, which is why I'm
i did feel like you were trying to get me to vote herIn post 116, NotNova wrote:If you're choosing to interpret that as me signalling you should vote Yyotta, then that's on you. Considering my followups to my initial question I don't think it's a justified interpretation of my intentions. If that's what I wanted to have happened, I literally would have asked.
idk why it feels different to me; it's mostly gutIn post 116, NotNova wrote:I don't see much difference between what I was doing when compared to Thespio (who used the "claiming scum" bit when justifying his vote) or overki11 (who just told us he is committed to lynching Yyotta today.)
i mean if you're scum and we lynch you town has a greater chance of winning
i said it's gut and that i can't explain it; that's not quite the same thing as 'no actual reason' - it's a reason that i don't know how to articulate rnIn post 134, NotNova wrote:In other words, there is no difference and you're singling me out for no actual reason. Got it.
RE: the scum claim interpretation:
i mean this was written after our convo yesterdayIn post 134, NotNova wrote:Either I'm braindead or this is the most opaque scumclaim possible and my initial claim was correct.
If you're seeing some town rationale for WHY she would do so, I'm open to hearing it — but don't tell me I'm pulling the scumclaim out of a hat.
his first post bothered me a bit because he was making an rvs post after there was already content to talk about; it felt to me a bit like he didn't know what to sayIn post 142, Mewtaph wrote:I think PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese's post and successive prods are underwhelming. I don't see enough motivation coming off of that post that I would expect from new!town - makes me think it's new!scum trying to fade into the background after they've rolled scum in their first game.
VOTE: PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese
this feels a little scummy to me, that when starry failed to actually vote correctly, he pops in to tell her how to fix it - he doens't seem to have much of a problem here with yyotta being almost-hammeredIn post 163, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:You’re not supposed to use the spaces in the vote tags, silly.In post 162, starrydash wrote:If Yyota actually wants to be lynched then i guess UNVOTE: Skitter[ /unvote] and VOTE: Yyotta [ /vote]
people trying to mislynch me for being right, that's always funIn post 174, 0verki11 wrote:Safer kill, also Skitter could be a target today for a lynch after the Yvotta lynch.In post 173, Doughboy wrote:If it was an experience kill wouldn’t that be the IC?
overkill, wrt to the 'friend stole my phone and fake-claimed mafia' incidentIn post 181, Thespio wrote:Who are you talking to?In post 179, skitter30 wrote:i mean i get that these things can happen as a joke, and that the joke itself probably doesn't have much to do with your alignment, but you keep on bringing it up and are like defending yourself against it before people even ask; that makes me feel like you feel very self-conscoius about it, and i think that's more likely to come from scum
In post 188, 0verki11 wrote:I spoke a couple of times about it, and mainly with Number who was scumreading me for it. If you think that explaining stuff and motives is defensive then I legit don't know what to do here because not reacting to it im considered scummy. I can claim my if it isnt already so obvious.
^^^ feels pre-emptive and overly defensive to me given that nobody had suggested that you were scum for it (ie you were responding to an argument nobody had made at that point)In post 113, 0verki11 wrote:Also, anybody saying I thetared the entire thing.
What would be the scum benifit that I couldnt easily get.
a) my point is that nobody had made a case on you at the time of 113; you weren't ignoring anythingIn post 189, 0verki11 wrote:Also Skitter, is town not supposed to be defensive towards cases on them? Ignoring cases is considered scummy on my other played site.
(i'm a she btw)In post 193, 0verki11 wrote:Im 90% sure that Skitter is town as I agree with almost everything in the first post today they did. I don't belevive that there is 100% a scum on the Yvotta wagon, however if its anybody its Doughboy I think but I need to read their iso.
what do you think of overkill's claiming scum and his later claiming that his friend stole his phone and posted it as a jokeIn post 194, Doughboy wrote:When a player claims scum it’s easy for scum to stay off the wagon. So I’m with overkill in that regard. I don’t know why anyone thinks my vote looked bad, a player claimed scum and asked to be lynched. I don’t see why any townie would do such a thing. I actually think maybe we should lynch numbers but I need to catch up on the game better.
don't shade me for taking v/la for a few days; you don't know what's going on in my life rnIn post 195, Doughboy wrote:Inb4 both scum just declared v/la
i don't think starrydash has much experience with mafia (i guess we'll never find out now)In post 201, Thespio wrote:were all glossing over the fact we had someone hammer with 4 irl days until eod?
it read as shading to me, and i did not appreciate itIn post 218, Doughboy wrote:See that wink at the end? That implies it is a joke. Get a sense of humor please.In post 215, skitter30 wrote:don't shade me for taking v/la for a few days; you don't know what's going on in my life rn
explain why you're suggesting i'm scum here and why you think it might be with notnova
ok, so can you think about both of these things and give an opinion?In post 219, Doughboy wrote:Haven’t really thought about either to be honest. So I have no opinions on it right nowIn post 215, skitter30 wrote:what do you think of overkill's claiming scum and his later claiming that his friend stole his phone and posted it as a joke
also the fact that the two people who are saying they think scum weren't on the wagon are people who themselves were on the wagon is not a good look imo
@doughboyIn post 226, skitter30 wrote:or talk about who you find scummy? or townie? or anything?
I disagree; i think its entirely possible to form opinions on the day1 wagon, and i also think its scummy of you not to have reads at this pointIn post 231, Doughboy wrote:I don’t have any reads. I was behind day 1, town trolled and ruined the game and I don’t really know where to go from here. You can’t analzy the lynch wagon. You can’t analyze the NK. It’s basically day 1 all over again.
I said i thought it was scummy of him to pop in when starrydash messed up the formatting to tell her how to correct it, enabling her to place the hammer vote - i thought this was scummy because he was not on the wagon and iirc had no opinions about the wagon. He facilitated a hammer vote without having really caught up as far as i can tellIn post 232, Doughboy wrote:I don’t like the votes for numbers. You don’t even have a reason and the reason the other person gave is bad.
Hi, do you have any reads?In post 233, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:Can you try to answer your own question that you posed?In post 213, 0verki11 wrote:What do I get out of claiming scum in that situation?In post 210, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:You never really explained why there would be no benefit to the claim if you were scum though.In post 192, 0verki11 wrote:If anything, this is the only post you could class as a little over-defensive, but even then, why am I not allowed to point it out.In post 113, 0verki11 wrote:Also, anybody saying I thetared the entire thing.
What would be the scum benifit that I couldnt easily get.
Admittily I shouldnt of said that so I could get better reactions from that. (It wasnt a reaction test but in hindsight I should of treated as one)
Ok, explain why you dont like itIn post 240, Doughboy wrote:Oh I missed the “why” in that last sentence. My bad.
Ao rereading that, I didn’t actually consider that an actual reason. Since you are saying it is, I dislike your vote even more
Or, more accurately, why is this not an actual reason?In post 241, skitter30 wrote:Ok, explain why you dont like itIn post 240, Doughboy wrote:Oh I missed the “why” in that last sentence. My bad.
Ao rereading that, I didn’t actually consider that an actual reason. Since you are saying it is, I dislike your vote even more
who did you think you replaced?In post 252, crusty wrote:Hey, I like these reads. I'm down to lynch starrydash.In post 251, NotNova wrote:I think scum is in overki11/starrydash, will explain when I get home tonight with a complete readslist.
(btw ... this is my first-ever post in a mafia game, so if I'm doing something wrong, please yell at me.)
what do you like about thespio's case against overkill?In post 253, crusty wrote:Thespio makes a really good case against 0verki11 actually. Can I vote for him?
can you answer the questions i asked please?In post 258, crusty wrote:a much more experienced player than i doesn't trust himIn post 256, Thespio wrote:what case? I think hes scummy, but what is it you would be voting based on?In post 253, crusty wrote:Thespio makes a really good case against 0verki11 actually. Can I vote for him?
talk a little more about why you find him the most scummy?In post 261, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:VOTE: 0verki11
I’m voting for the person that I think is the most scummy because the deadline is approaching and we need to utilize our votes quickly.
that or having seen a similar situation before and finding parallels between what happened there and what had happened hereIn post 262, NotNova wrote:a lot of her predictions came off as TMI + positioning for D2 after an obvious (from scum-perspective) mislynch.
that's basically how i feel about his presence on the mislynch yesterday - lazily facilating the obvious mislynch and enabling it to happenIn post 262, NotNova wrote:The simplest way to describe Doughboy's play is - lazy. The only question is if it's lazy town or lazy scum.
this is what was bothering me about pre-emptively defending the friend's scumclaim thingIn post 262, NotNova wrote:Overki11 has tried to justify his non-scumminess at several points without absolutely any provocation - I think this is indicative of an overawareness that isn't likely to come from town. This preoccupation with defending oneself at the expense of progressing any tangible reads definitely looks very scummy when taken holistically.
explain this again? i'm not quite followingIn post 264, NotNova wrote:or Numbers trying to eliminate a less townread player in an effort not to get lynched (skitter/Thespio is a soft townblock, and they're both on his wagon.)
ok, i think you should have waited until someone gave intent, but fair enoughIn post 274, 0verki11 wrote:Cool, claiming TrackerIn post 270, skitter30 wrote:that's the third vote btw, the l-1 vote
i *strongly* do not believe that we're ready for the day to end
nobody should be hammering here before giving intent and giving overkill a chance to claim
VOTE: crusty
please specify if you counterclaim (if you're a tracker or neopoitan)In post 279, crusty wrote:Do you hard claim?In post 274, 0verki11 wrote:Cool, claiming TrackerIn post 270, skitter30 wrote:that's the third vote btw, the l-1 vote
i *strongly* do not believe that we're ready for the day to end
nobody should be hammering here before giving intent and giving overkill a chance to claim
VOTE: crusty
actually doc/tracker can coexist (cell c3 of the chart)In post 292, Thespio wrote:*Neapolitan, Tracker, or doctor counter claims would be contrary to overkill, if you are a pr and not one of these 3 do not claim.
a) it's a relatively new setup; has only been around since january iirc; if he hasn't played in a few years he might not be familiar with the setup given that he's playing as a newbie; the age of his account isn't really relevant to this imoIn post 295, Doughboy wrote:2015 player should know that. I feel much better about my vote.
yeah someone semi-broke the setup - there was a whole strategy where if there was a 1shot bp they could claim first on day 1 and basically be an ic till they died (ie if someone claimed on a later day after people already asked for the bp claim it would be taken as a scumclaim, or scum could cc day1 but then there's a 1v1 day1 that containing one scum)
i actually had to go back and check the chart too, because i haven't memorized it eitherIn post 300, Thespio wrote:yeah I take longer then 1 game where we dont really use the setup at all to memorize a 4x3 graph, sorry, not sorry.In post 299, Doughboy wrote:Except you have a completed game with the new setup and you’re playing in another.In post 298, Thespio wrote:Thats what I was used to^
i don't see intent to mislead from him; i see him accidentally misreading a chartIn post 305, Doughboy wrote:That wasn’t my reason to vote him. Its scummy though because he’s trying to mislead people.In post 303, skitter30 wrote:don't understand why being confused about the setup is a reason to vote him. like why is this scummy of him?
i mean i don't think anybody suggested trying to do that to break the game; he claimed tracker because he was at l1In post 307, Doughboy wrote:And people have tried to break this one. I will say that whoever suggest tracker claiming day 1 is wrong and should not be listened to. I made this mistake and it doesn’t break or even semi break the game.In post 303, skitter30 wrote:yeah someone semi-broke the setup - there was a whole strategy where if there was a 1shot bp they could claim first on day 1 and basically be an ic till they died (ie if someone claimed on a later day after people already asked for the bp claim it would be taken as a scumclaim, or scum could cc day1 but then there's a 1v1 day1 that containing one scum)
so they spent a while coming up with a new setup (the current one)
you're calling him scummy for trying to mislead people; i consider that pushing him for thisIn post 313, Doughboy wrote:Except I’m not pushing him for it. It helps solidify my read but I’m pushing him for something completely differentIn post 311, skitter30 wrote:i think it's scummy that you're pushing him for this
i was only really bringing it up in the context of why people don't use that setup anymoreIn post 314, Doughboy wrote:No not this game. Im just throwing it out there as an FYI since you brought up game breaking strategies. I tried to do that in a previous game. It didn’t work and everyone agreed it’s not a good strategy.
you're ascribing ill motivation/intent to his actions that i don't think actually existsIn post 314, Doughboy wrote:Why is that scummy?
(i'm a she btw)In post 317, Doughboy wrote:Skitter’s vote on me is also bad because he misrepped me. I didn’t vote you for misleading people. I’m not scum reading you for misleading people. All that did was make me feel better about my scum read. Like if somebody does something scummy and then does something else scummy after that, that supports your read. It isn’t the basis for it.
got it, the way you presented it the first time was hard for me to followIn post 323, NotNova wrote:They were at 2 votes at the time - I think this can be alarming to newb!scum. In addition to the two of you, only 0verki11 has presented any real suspicion on their slot. Thespio/skitter is a perceived townblock (and there can be only one scum among you), so Numbers tries to divert attention from themselves by presenting a wagon on a player who is a) not very townread and b) finds them suspicious.
idk; i try not to think about pre-flip associatives at this stageIn post 332, Thespio wrote:If hes scum, who do you think will flip his buddy?In post 331, skitter30 wrote:i mean i'm voting doughboy and i just said i thought him scummy ...
i'm not sure what other thoughts you'd like from me on him
i think we have a disagreement over what the word 'pushes' means - i think you calling him scummy constitutes as 'pushing', and i think that's where part of the confusion here comes fromIn post 333, Doughboy wrote:Sharing my opinion isn’t pushing but ok. Agree to disagree I guess.In post 327, skitter30 wrote:you're calling him scummy for trying to mislead people; i consider that pushing him for thisBut it doesn’t matter what you think exsists, it matters what I think exsists. So agree to disagree again.In post 327, skitter30 wrote:you're ascribing ill motivation/intent to his actions that i don't think actually existsyou said I was pushing him for misreading the chart. That’s not accurateIn post 327, skitter30 wrote:i don't really get where i'm supposed to have misrepped you
i've actually kinda moved past that and that's not my main problem rnIn post 335, Thespio wrote:Im really hoping you are scum and not just anti-town, but skitter is saying you should have trying to push me as misrepresenting not based on the hammer. because you not wanting us to count the hammer is susp.In post 333, Doughboy wrote:you said I was pushing him for misreading the chart. That’s not accurate
In post 338, Doughboy wrote:Skitter said I’m scummy for pushing you for misrepresenting. That’s not what I did at all.
what did you mean by thisIn post 305, Doughboy wrote:That wasn’t my reason to vote him. Its scummy though because he’s trying to mislead people.In post 303, skitter30 wrote:don't understand why being confused about the setup is a reason to vote him. like why is this scummy of him?
one scumreadIn post 310, Doughboy wrote:I don’t have reads on all the active players rn. For now tracker claim is legit until otherwise countered. I’m scum reading you. The rest idk how I feel about them yet.
so you're objecting to me saying that you pushed him for misleading people? and you're saying that's not accurate because you didn't push him, but rather just called him scummy for it? is that accurate?In post 344, Doughboy wrote:It means I’m scum reading him for something else but what he did with the misleading people was still scummy.In post 340, skitter30 wrote:In post 338, Doughboy wrote:Skitter said I’m scummy for pushing you for misrepresenting. That’s not what I did at all.what did you mean by thisIn post 305, Doughboy wrote:That wasn’t my reason to vote him. Its scummy though because he’s trying to mislead people.In post 303, skitter30 wrote:don't understand why being confused about the setup is a reason to vote him. like why is this scummy of him?
That’s pretty self explanatory though so what was the point of asking that?