In post 407, MaryJoLisa wrote:I can argue multiple perspectives because I’m aware that I don’t have all the pieces to the puzzle. I feel that making statements of assertion could block myself off from exploring alternate scenarios that might better fit the information that I have on hand. I’ve learned in this game that expressing that I can see two sides of the coin puts me at a disadvantage because people see it as being indecisive.
so the thing is that to me this belies a lack of conviction, of pov, of approaching the game from a consistent thought process
you're throwing out a bunch of scenarios wherein i might be scum, including various teams and various strategies i might be adapting, but i don't think you actually believe any of them. they're all theoretical possibilities to you that *could* be; i don't really get the vibe that you think any of them actually *are*
you seem to have a conclusion: i'm scum. and within that framework you're bringing up different points of what i might be doing, but you dont' seem to think that any of them are more likely than another. like it just doesn't make sense to me that you can really at once think that i might be scum with two different people for exactly opposite reasons. i think you're arguing possibilities that make me look bad, not actual opinions you hold.
i also dont' think that making assertions blocks you from exploring other scenarios; i do it all the time. the thing that's bothering me here is: you say X and Y are both possibilities, but you don't really pick a side or explain why you think one or the other is more likely.
In post 407, MaryJoLisa wrote:If I said elsewhere that you were not present, please let post 330 stand. I acknowledge that you have been present, and I really appreciate the job you’re doing as IC. You’ve been very helpful to me and other newbies here.
i mean you were saying that i was not scumhunting; i was explaining that for the past couple of days that wasn't my priority for this game (yay i'm done moving now)
idk what you're trying to wrt kid gloves or what it means wrt my alignment for them to be off
In post 407, MaryJoLisa wrote:Your being IC confused me at first. I didn’t fully understand the role and even though you said you’re here to play the game and achieve your wincon, I still imagined that you’d be handling us more delicately here than you would on a different part of the forum. I no longer think that’s the case.
ah ok
i'm being slightly more polite, less blunt, and a bit less aggressive than i often am (the latter is a function of moving + being ic both)
ie i don't want to make this game about *me*; when i'm not moving and i full effort a game i'm very good at making myself a *presence*; i get townread usually fairly quickly and my opinion often determines the direction of the game, but that's not really my goal for this game here, it's more to make sure you guys see what a game on this site looks like and to ensure that the game experience overall is a pleasant one.
i'm doing questions and dialogue-trees a bit more than i usually do also instead of being aggressive or super opinionated; new players sometimes approach things differently than older players and i want to give people more room to explain their pov because they may be doing something that i'd consider scummy in a vaccum but might not be scummy given how they view mafia in a general sense based on experience on other sites or irl etc
i'm answering questions and providing guidance wrt to site meta etc but i'm also playing the game and want to win; i'm doing both at the same time. i consider the former to be more important to this game tho; ie i'd rather help you guys acclimate to the game and the site and hopefully leave a positive impression of the site that prompts you to stick around than win; if changing my playstyle slightly to accommodate that gets me mislynched so be it (i mean not really; i hate being mislynched, but like i won't make a thing about it if it happens); if i don't have a lot of time i'll still skim and follow along and make sure i address any questions directed at me or any theory questions/definitions etc
like i want to win and i don't want to be mislynched but more important to me rn in this game is being a good ic
so it has affected my play, and i have toned down the aggression a bit, but idk if i'd go so far as to say that i've left the kid gloves off the whole time? idk i hope that explained how i'm approaching this
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In post 407, MaryJoLisa wrote:I explained above that I can see multiple possible outcomes. For right now, I’m focusing on you and not any scum partners you may or may not have.
quite a lot of your reasoning for why i'm scum is how i may or may not be treating potential partners - players you don't know the alignment of, mind you; in a general sense day1 pre-flip associatives (ie guessing the alignment of player B based on the alignment of player A when you don't yet know player A's alignment) is not such a great idea given that it's based on assumptions - like player A's alignment - that you dont' know to be true
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In post 408, MaryJoLisa wrote:If people feel the need to call me on that, when I flip green, remaining town can use my insight (good or bad) to formulate new hypotheses in light of the information gathered from a confirmed town's POV.
ok, so: you think that since the dayphase is dragging that a lynch on *someone* a good idea to end the day and get info from the flip and nk, is htat accurate?
if no, please correct me where i'm misunderstanding.
if yes, in the specific context of this game and previous wagons, who would you suggest the someone be in order to get the best info from flips?
(i'm not suggesting an info-based lynched here or that it's a good idea or that we should do this before people complain)
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In post 408, MaryJoLisa wrote:I don’t see you advancing town’s position and contributing to the scum hunting and I find that your primary objective seems to be distracting us and asking questions to make us second guess ourselves.
ok:
for the former, i'm not sure why you're assuming my lack of 'advancing town's position' or scumhunting is a function of my alignment and not, say, of being busy irl
for the latter: where do you see that my primary objective is to distract people or make people second-guess themselves? like what have i specifically done that makes you think i am purposefully doing this?
i know long post is long
this section in particular is important and i'd like you to address these two points specifically out of all the points i've made here
(i mean theoretically i'd like you to address all of them but like i'm very aware that i write a lot and said a lot and don't really expect people to go line by line through what i've said.)
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tyty
i'm def cool with you taking your time at this stage of the game; sorry for being insistent about it and highlighting this; i wanted to make sure this dialogue continued and didn't fade away as people got distracted by other shiny objects
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In post 408, MaryJoLisa wrote:As a side note, regardless of what side you’re on, you’re doing a good job of ic’ing this game and I’m grateful for the direction and help you’ve provided. (But I still think you rolled scum this game)
tyty, this is important to me and i'm happy to hear this