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Post #20 (isolation #2) » Fri May 08, 2020 4:39 am
Postby votato »
In post 12, iamironcat wrote:Hola, also had some mafia history in other places. Have never played a mafia game which lasted this long tho. I don't get the vote for Votato so VOTE:
gibus
this is known as the RVS, or Random Vote Stage, where people vote for silly reasons to get the game started, and then we gradually progress to more serious posting as we get a few bandwagons going.
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Post #30 (isolation #5) » Fri May 08, 2020 4:57 am
Postby votato »
VOTE: feathers for being overly cautious, and for not having a profile picture. a picture is important for name recognition and associating you with your posts!
@elmo, i haven't forgotten about you. once RVS ends im gonna get you lynched. mark my words.
In post 60, votato wrote:elmo is trying to get me killed now that im voting for her. what a trash panda!
elmo is a nickname for brass right?
nope, elmo teh azn is the mod of the game. she threatened me earlier, and now shes falsely placing votes on me. shes out to get me. its because im on to her and know shes scum.
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Post #78 (isolation #13) » Fri May 08, 2020 7:00 pm
Postby votato »
No, the day ends when a majority is reached or at the deadline. Random voting ends whenever serious votes start, usually after a couple wagons develop. VOTE: gibus
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Post #86 (isolation #15) » Fri May 08, 2020 7:32 pm
Postby votato »
You shouldn't claim your role unless you have to to save your life or catch scum. Sometimes to save someone you know is innocent. Don't give the mafia information. If they can figure out who the town power rules are and kill them, they'll be in a really strong position
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Post #103 (isolation #17) » Sat May 09, 2020 5:56 am
Postby votato »
mafia is a game of probabilities. everything is probabilistic. The reason you get a bunch of wagons and posts and arguments going during the day-phase is so you have content and interactions to evaluate. You look at people's thought progressions and interactions with other players, and how they move their votes. All of that gives you clues. And yes, its unlikely to find scum on the first day. But its important to get people to express their thoughts so that on day 2 you can evaluate their thoughts in combination with the "flips" - the people who died. An SE might be able to be more helpful. The point is though, its important for town that everyone contributes, posts, votes, shares their thoughts, and interacts with other players.
Also, apparently lynching scum on day 1 actually lowers the win percentage for town. That might not be true in newbie lobbies though.
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Post #110 (isolation #19) » Sat May 09, 2020 6:44 am
Postby votato »
well ideally you progress towards finding out who. My point though is that since we have no content so far, it would be really bad to have a deadline in 36 hours. you should share your thoughts and vote based on them. its ok to be wrong, but sharing your thoughts is good to get the game moving, and is a way to help convince others that youre town. if you decide youre wrong, you can always change your mind later.
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Post #115 (isolation #20) » Sat May 09, 2020 7:19 am
Postby votato »
In post 114, feathers wrote:Wow, okay, not lurking. This feels like the landmines I was talking about, I was just putting out guesses. I voted you earlier because you asked me what pbf meant, it's a silly reason since someone explained rvs voting is usually non serious at first. I stuck with it because you're on my sus list, and I heard mafia are more likely to switch votes easily so I didn't want to be seen that way. Seems like in this game people get suspected either way though..
but why is she on your suspect list? mafia do change their votes more often, but this early in the game its more ok to. its ok to change away from an RVS vote, since it wasnt serious to begin with. Also, its ok to change your vote so long as you have reasoning for the change. Don't worry about stepping on landmines. Some people might think you're scum for doing it, but you'll learn, and stepping on one or two probably wont get you killed. Don't worry - I think you're town. But as a townie, you dont need to try to look like town. Just act naturally and go scumhunting. Scum have trouble blending in because they cant naturally be towny. You can, since you're town. By artificially trying to look towny youll look artificial. And thats actually scummy. Dont worry about trying to "look like town". Just try to find the scum and people will realize that youre town.
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Post #120 (isolation #21) » Sat May 09, 2020 7:34 am
Postby votato »
In post 117, feathers wrote:Okay, thanks, that makes sense. She was just on my 'sus list' because she haven't posted as much content. I don't really know that many ways to tell who the mafia are, just some tips I read. Anyhow I was just sharing thoughts and don't have a lot of solid ideas rn, but I guess I suspect lilith a bit less now. I'll change my vote to
VOTE: Gibus
then, he's my most sus for now. I think the paranoia is getting to me already heh.
if you're voting someone, its expected that you generally scum-read them. The question is why exactly you scumread them. what did gibus say that set you off?
and its a little bit too early to really tell how active people are. Lilith has posted more than ironcat, formerfish, and lilililili (who hasnt posted at all). Why single her out for being inactive?
Again, don't be too discouraged or nervous: im prodding you to try and get you to think through and process, not because I think you're that scummy.
and lilith is an SE. I dont think that shes trying to tell us that shes inexperienced.
In post 108, votato wrote:we are already closing in on 3 days. have you figured out who is scum yet?
How are we on day three? Are you being sarcastic?
the game started thursday night/friday morning. The end of three real life days (the proposed deadline) would therefore fall sunday night/monday morning. i guess we restarted so maybe monday midday. still, thats very close.
who is lilith defending? what isnt fair? i guess i could see why you might see that lilith is not being very patient with the newbies, but i dont think she's being unfair. i might have missed something.
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Post #132 (isolation #23) » Sat May 09, 2020 1:17 pm
Postby votato »
haha im super dyslexic or something. i read that as "I do. That's not fair." or something. anyway i dont see lilith as defending anyone. Just seeing something she didnt like and asking questions to clarify.
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Post #191 (isolation #31) » Sun May 10, 2020 4:25 pm
Postby votato »
so if everyone posted youd suspect everyone? i disagree. I dont have any very strong scum reads yet. I cant yet tell if ironcat is very noob or scummy. But i get noobtown vibes from feather, gibus, and freddie.
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Post #198 (isolation #32) » Sun May 10, 2020 5:07 pm
Postby votato »
mod said that scum were revealed in a PT. that suggests to me that there were masons in the prior iteration. if they are still the same mason pair, then theyd figure out pretty quick that the scumpair were the same and that they knew who it was already.
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Post #266 (isolation #38) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:11 am
Postby votato »
thats not a waste of a night kill. thats a super useful role for late-game. as town generally you dont want anyone claimed because it helps scum PoE who town PRs are.
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Post #273 (isolation #40) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:33 am
Postby votato »
yeah but stop publicly guessing who the PRs are. its against your wincon as town.
also, gibus is noobslipping, not scumslipping. could be scum, but i think based on my experience with gibus in another game that noobtown is more likely.
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Post #292 (isolation #42) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:50 am
Postby votato »
In post 237, feathers wrote:I think Votato is a townsperson as well since pretty early on. They've (what pronoun do you use btw, votato?) been very active, giving pro-town advice (personally they really helped me know how rvs/voting should be done and to form my thought processes), not afraid to make clear stances, and I don't really feel like they're pushing any kind of agenda - they've mostly been helping clarify stances/thought processes or resolve disagreements.
btw: you can use he, she, or it for me. just please never use they.
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Post #295 (isolation #43) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:54 am
Postby votato »
VOTE: copykat. i agree with brass. its mostly gut, but copykat seems pretty opportunistic hopping on the major wagon, putting it to L-1 without saying anything. I also see nothing in copykats case about scumslippng. Not a strong case against copykat, ill concede, but worth pressuring. I still dont like ironcat, but that might just be due to language barrier.
its very unlikely that the felines are the scumpair and that i've solved this early, but as a dog person it would bring me great pleasure. i would totally buy brass distancing or bussing here.
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Post #330 (isolation #48) » Mon May 11, 2020 5:30 am
Postby votato »
i wouldnt say paranoia is alignment indicative (AI). seeing scum everywhere means youre doing a bad job scumhunting, which either means youre doing a bad job of being town or youre scum. ideally scumlists are similar in length to the actual scumteam. so in this setup, ideally you have ~2 scumreads. this is still early in the game, so its ok to have too many or too few, so long as you have reasons behind your thinking, and you explain your reasons. gibus, you havent explained any of your thinking yet. most people really havent explained much tho
feathers, those bullet points are helpful, but for vote changing they dont mean multiple times in a row. they just mean over the course of the game the person will change their minds and their though progression will seem inorganic.
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Post #338 (isolation #50) » Mon May 11, 2020 10:03 am
Postby votato »
In post 295, votato wrote:VOTE: copykat. i agree with brass. its mostly gut, but copykat seems pretty opportunistic hopping on the major wagon, putting it to L-1 without saying anything. I also see nothing in copykats case about scumslippng. Not a strong case against copykat, ill concede, but worth pressuring. I still dont like ironcat, but that might just be due to language barrier.
i meant that i dont see any merit in your case about gibus scumslipping, to clarify
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Post #342 (isolation #51) » Mon May 11, 2020 4:02 pm
Postby votato »
i dont think people will think youre scum for using words wrong. in elmo's first posts there are some helpful links to the wiki that should help explain some jargon. L-1 = 1 vote away from a lynch. hammer = the vote that causes a majority and hence a lynch.
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Post #371 (isolation #53) » Mon May 11, 2020 5:25 pm
Postby votato »
In post 357, lilith2013 wrote:@votato, can you explain why you think gibus is newbtown based on this other game? I read some of his posts there and he comes across as .... surprisingly un-newb there.
oh i missed this. im not sure if i can, since its ongoing. i agree that he comes off as newbie-er here, so could be playing it up to get brownie points.
i agree that ironcat is being really strange. but some of it is definitely due to language barrier. i also really dislike people who are so formally logical, so it could be a personal bias thing on my end.
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Post #377 (isolation #54) » Mon May 11, 2020 5:32 pm
Postby votato »
ironcat is clearly non-native in english. fluent, but idioms, etc. dont seem to come naturally. i just think some of the subtlety from tone, etc. that most people can generally pick up on might be lost.
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Post #419 (isolation #55) » Tue May 12, 2020 3:08 am
Postby votato »
in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
In post 419, votato wrote:in the last game i was in with lilith, she staged a big day 1 fight with her scumbuddy to distance. It read a lot like her fight with fish here. A silly reason to argue, a way overdone fight, and then a really sudden resolution.
And you think this would be a strategy I’d repeat after it failed pretty definitively in G&R?
yes. What makes you say it failed? The vigs all hitting town say it worked.