Newbie 2067 - Pizza! - End!

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omg i want that pizza in the op

pineapple with black olives is my go to though

VOTE: haschel cedricson

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slight preference for town

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are we doing rqs instead of rvs?

i feel confident town will win, how's that?

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your avi is a broken link friend

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i think it's a valid answer to how i feel about winning

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i'm willing to sheep anyone who provides me with pizza

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you guys have reads already?

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it usually takes me a few pages for reads to develop but i agree with lukewarm that your progression feels natural wrt lukewarm and zula

i think i like haschel and lukewarm so far for town but again it's pretty early

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i like haschel a little less for the vote

strangematter, i think haschel wants your attention

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i guess it's a natural progression of asking a question and not getting an answer so maybe it's okay

i just think haschel might know give a newbie a little slack when it comes to not answering but maybe now strangematter will answer

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yeah i guess that's fair

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i think haschel is town for his opening post but i could be wrong. i don't see scum announcing vt like that.

i think you're town because i liked your posts so far especially 46

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i play by gut a lot so sometimes i may not be able to articulate a read very well but it doesn't mean it's not a good read

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you can call me STD i don't mind

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i like zyla for town

i still want that pizza really bad

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this is a wacky discussion

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crumbs aren't always good to leave because scum hunt for them

they can be helpful but beware

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this game has new pages

cyrus isn't the play today

i still like hockey for town, i like the way he is engaging the game, it just feels like it's coming from town. same with zyla. luke's push on strangematter seems legit.

i'm less convinced about haschel atm. i want to hear more from azeru. i don't quite like 268 i get that it's early and not based on much but it does seem a little forced. strangematter is null for me.

i think that's where i'm at

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with what information

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i don't get the question, i think mafia will try to play as townie as possible but may leave tells behind.

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i don't like how lukewarm accused me of pocketing him

there are you happy now

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i think you're town because i liked your posts so far especially 46

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was not a strong read but something to go off of for the early game

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off topic but i go by Fenrir as well so if STD is too gross and Save the Dragons is too long you can call me Fen or Fenrir

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it was a joke

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i get scumread a lot as town

i know that's self-meta and self-meta is a big no no but i can provide examples

so i get the gutread i would just ask yourself how much of it is playstyle and how much of it is because i'm actually scummy

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christ on a stick

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@Azeru

what makes haschel's offenses minor enough to put him in town for you

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not everyone veers every read. go on, not now all. get in very easily yesterday on under under pain. not everyone veers every read! go on, not now all. lose everything to yesterday on under. don't over worry now.

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my reads are

cyrus-crazy
luke-town
zyla-town
azuru- maybe town?

everyone else is kind of null. having trouble formulating scum reads. will try to look back/look at isos. i'm less convinced of hockeyfan than i was. haschel needs to post more.

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it's a joke

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omg it's the rick roll song i'm trying to rick roll you guys lmao

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what the fuck is this guy wearing on his head

gonna try and re-engage with this game after i get some coffee in me

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@STD can you what your scumreads and townreads are so far?

409 had them, but i'm going to read the new stuff and see if anything changes

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When your both in the lobby ... I took a look at sight chat . You both been there for hours

this means nothing

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Why were you so upset with the way strange was being questioned so hard o page 3
Do you always defend newbie this way.

wasn't upset, i just thought haschel might give the newbie more of a chance to get acclimated

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maybe i'm just a nice guy

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i thought it was weird that haschel was voting a newbie for not responding because a newbie might not know that they generally need to respond to everything

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i think haschel is a good vote, which is why i kept it well past rvs

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i think more pressure on haschel is a good thing

@std, at the time, haschel is the only person voting strange, does she really need some slack there?

since it was only one vote it wasn't too bad it just seems like a weird thing to vote someone over

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eager to hear what haschel has to say i think i like less and less his "vanilla townies give 0 fucks" opening the more i think about it

currently a little overextended in terms of games so my activity will probably be low but i'll do my best to be around

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why is haschel better than strange

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strange is just learning the ropes newbi scum dont play that way they be hiding more.

i don't know that this is the case

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like i feel like a lot of strange's posts are posting just to post and not necessarily content driven it's another form of lurking could be something easily done by newbie scum.

some examples:

Funny thing is I sometimes wait for the conversation to continue, only to realize later it’s already on another page.

Are we seriously still waiting for a response from him?

He could easily say something but I guess not.

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willing to hammer strange but i want to give haschel some time

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you mean on page 3 i defended them

and on page 25 i changed my mind

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yep you got me i'm bussing my scum buddy

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sorry i don't think we're supposed to make jokes like that my bad

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: strangematter

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going through some personal shit atm so i may be in and out but tonally i'm not a fan of strange, trying to sort out if that's playstyle or if he's scum

it could be hockey with his constant push of me i don't know if the read has developed or if it's a lazy push

it could also be haschel

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i mean it could also be haschel who hasn't really posted much

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VOTE: hockeyfan

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e-2

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my content has probably gone down due to my future in-laws being in town and today's not a great day because i had to kick my fiance's father off of our property last night. i realize i haven't been around before that but i'll try to see if i can stay caught up and post a little more.

UNVOTE: let me see if i can recalibrate with a look at everyone

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Azeru

105 i like, looks like he's trying to get a better sense of hockeyfan.

237 has a case on cyrus. i don't think i realized what cyrus was at this point and i agree cyrus laid a bunch of posts that were vote worthy.

333 i like the callout to 287 but i'm not sure my answer is the weakest, i would say that i never really understood the question or why it was asked. his point about luke is interesting though i'm not sure i agree with his "too townie" logic. but his point about haschel seems a little off to me, which is why i asked about it. there's a chance they could be partners and he picked his scumbuddy to be his town read.

399 i like the reference to cyrus being anti-town

604 raises an interesting point but i do think cyrus is town, i think he's just a lot of noise at this point. i think he's calmed down a bit but his wild vote swings have been strange.

Haschel Cedricson

17 i'm not sure what to make of his "vanilla town means zero fucks" post, it could come from vt or bombastic scum but i'm not sure it was a good idea to basically say "i'm not a pr don't nk me but also i'm supposed to draw the nk"

i've talked a lot about his interaction with strange

140 i agree with. @Haschel, how do you feel about Hockeyfan now?

759 i'm not focused on you i keep getting asked about you. why do you go for zyla instead of strange?

Hockeyfan

89 i guess i'm scumread for my interactions with strange here, which seems to make sense only if we're partners.

310 here is where i'm a gut read. when asked about it he points back to this post which is weird since he mainly called it a gut read.

then he just kind of pushes me over and over again 397 437

492 gives a reason which is weird because it didn't show up before and i don't think it's a strong case against me (but maybe i'm biased)

more push 539 634 654 692 but not much of a case against me still

754 i'm scum because of my posts but no posts given

I don't think i've been non-committal. I've given a few reads that have progressed as time goes on and i've voted my scum reads whether i've said them or not.

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Azeru, Pav, STD - who is your top choice for an elim today? I think Strange was the most recent vote for each of you, but if you think that we should look somewhere else over strange, drop a case.

hockey was my most recent vote, i'm not currently voting. i want to look over strange, luke, pav, and zyla before i vote which could take a little bit of time.

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lynch me if it helps.

keep it in your pants dude

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Lukewarm

46 i tend to townread people who post what i'm thinking before i post it

I like some of Luke's early questions with 65 84

266 his read on strange feels a little forced, like i'm not sure if 69 is scummy.

319 more reads, i like his analysis of zyla

356 i disagree with the iso of azeru looking empty, i think it's minimal but it's got some substance to it. i'm also not sure why he calls out Strange/Haschel as not being partners, i think they could have been doing theatre at this point.

trying to ignore all talk about cyrus i don't think it's productive. i feel like it's easy to get caught in a trap of talking to/scumreading someone like cyrus, i feel like scum would be more likely to just ignore it or let it play on rather than try to defuse it. i like 570 as an example of trying to cut through all the bullshit

637 raises my hackles a little, if you didn't scum read haschel, why'd you put him at e-1?

690 i don't know about this

769 770 773 775 780 @lukewarm can you clarify your thoughts on Haschel? do you think his "cherry picking" comes from being scum or some other reason?

884 do you prefer me to haschel? why

Pavowski

166 i'm not sure if antagonism is scummy but i don't blame anyone for voting for cyrus there

256 this is also a town way to look at cyrus

268 i'm not sure about some of these reads, like for haschel and azeru, it's kind of wishywashy

436 i like this

803 not sure what's interesting about my progression, i express interest in voting someone and then i vote for them

Both you and Luke seem to think that Strange is alone and is being uncoached but there's a lot of different reasons they could be scum and appear that way (their partner is new, their partner is away, their partner doesn't coach much, etc.)

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strangematter

49 i'm trying to figure out if the way they talk is just difficult for me to parse but this seems like an empty statement

69 I don't really have a problem with this attitude, different people play the game in different ways.

76 but this seems to contradict 69 unless i'm not parsing correctly

93 actually they have town reads here, not scumreads, which is strange considering 69

287 i still don't get the questioning here, and i don't really like their explanation. some of their posts are kind of posting just to post, it seems.

398 429 why does it take time to go from scumread to a vote? this is kind of a omgus vote which isn't inherently scummy but seems a little strange

441 i pressure people with my vote

719 i was saying probability-wise if someone's not here to post they could still be scum and worth looking at, i didn't mean to imply haschel was scum because he wasn't posting, hence the "it could be him"

@Strange, how do you pressure people? I think you accuse me of not pressuring people, but i feel like you're leaving your vote on people without following up much.

Zyla

70 it is weird she calls out hockeyfan for not answering her questions

240 i like this, a good way to call cyrus out

284 this list feels organic

608 i like the thought behind this post

874 my one problem with Zyla is that she has a lot of fluff in her posts. i thought there was more to them but there's a lot of posts that don't quite mean much

@Zyla what are your reads now?

now that i've gone through the isos i'll try and collect my thoughts and vote again

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Town
Azeru
Pav
Cyrus

Null (town lean)
Luke
Zyla

Null (scum lean)
Haschel

Scum
Strange
Hockeyfan

i like the wagon composition on strangematter

VOTE: StrangeMatter E-1

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it's possible i'm not parsing it correctly, it looked like you were saying "i do scum reads first" in 69 and then "i use POE once i have town reads to find the scum" in 76

i talk to people, ask them questions, sometimes accuse them, try to get them to slip up or give more information. i haven't been doing that lately just because i've been busy/overextended but i'll try to do that more often going forward.

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gonna try to give this game the activity it deserves. that said i have friends coming over so i'll try to post tonight, can't at the level i want to right now.

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my bad i am here

i'm not super great at mechanics even simple ones like this so i'm probably going to shy away from discussing the pr situation to focus more on scum hunting

Like when he kept Strange at e-1, after I left the push, like he was hoping it would still go through without me

i voted strange because they were a scumread of mine. it had nothing to do with you. i already expressed an interest in hammering and when you left i decided to jump on because i believe i was still parked on haschel at the time and while i had doubts about haschel, it makes more sense for me to vote my scumread, no?

When that wagon stalled out, he jumped to the next push on Hockey

I don't remember the wagon stalling out, maybe it did, but i jumped on another scumread of mine.

And then he abandoned that wagon when lost steam, he went back to Strange - and his reasoning looks suspicious to me

again, i voted one of my documented scumreads in the post you quoted

He votes for strange because he "likes the wagon composition." Which is a weird reason to join a wagon imo. It is like he avoids saying she is scummy here because he knows she is getting ready to flip town. Like he is trying to absolve himself of the vote -- "I only voted that way because I trusted you guys **points at Azeru, Pav, and me**"

I voted strange because I thought they were scum, i made a comment that i liked the wagon composition. That's not my reasoning, that just made me feel better about voting strange because I was townreading all the people voting strange. now it seems unlikely that the three of you are town since scum probably pushed the strange wagon for a mislim.

There are other things that ping me in the votes, but this is my feeling right now.

what other things ping you

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while possible, i think it's unlikely the wagon was all town. i need to refresh my reads, i'm not sure how i feel about anyone yet.

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i like azeru for town i liked his commentary at the end of the day towards cyrus. i like his questioning. i wish he would talk more.

i like luke for town. he's wrong about me. i wish he'd stop talking to cyrus altogether but trying to reason with him seems town to me. i think he's asking good questions.

pav has some iioa posts like his vote tracker but has kept some of his thoughts close to the vest here. of the three i find him the scummiest. I wish he would talk a little more as well, he could be lurky scum unsure of what to say.

it could be something like {Haschel, Hockeyfan} but i'm going to try VOTE: Pavowski for now

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i think outing the other PR helps scum more than it helps us at this point since scum have a few kills left to get to the end. otoh the 50/50 becomes more dangerous the less time we have to lim people, but even so I still think massclaiming helps scum more

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i like azeru for town i liked his commentary at the end of the day towards cyrus. i like his questioning. i wish he would talk more.

i like luke for town. he's wrong about me. i wish he'd stop talking to cyrus altogether but trying to reason with him seems town to me. i think he's asking good questions.

pav has some iioa posts like his vote tracker but has kept some of his thoughts close to the vest here. of the three i find him the scummiest. I wish he would talk a little more as well, he could be lurky scum unsure of what to say.

it could be something like {Haschel, Hockeyfan} but i'm going to try VOTE: Pavowski for now

I really dont know how I feel about my top scumread voting one of my other scumreads/leans lol, maybe Pav is town because of this? Also @STD, can u explain the haschel/me pairing?

how come Pav voting me did nothing for you but me voting pav makes you think he's town?

it was an example of two people off the wagon that i'm a little suspicious of.

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i'm not posting?

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jesus christ you're a lot of noise

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i can't spam the thread too busy chasing cephrir's parents off of my property or spending time outside the game to hang out with friends on my weekends so i'm sorry i'm not posting

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i think scum is in {Hockey, HC, Pav}

I think Zyla, Azeru, Luke, and you are town

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some of pav's content looks like content for the sake of content

268 doesn't actually say much it's a lot of null reads

914 is information instead of analysis which isn't inherently bad but i don't know if he really gave his analysis

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but after that post, he stars SR'ing and pushing me without giving me a good reason on why im scum(other than presumably I pushed them)

yeah my read pretty much has to do with how you pushed me

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it would be nice to hear from haschel

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i kinda like 1040. i beginning to think i'm just wrong about everything this game. want to take a look over everything and see if i come up with any different conclusions.

VOTE: haschel for now

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i beginning to think i'm just wrong about everything this game

Welcome to my world!

STD is my top scum read right now

no argument here

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whoa

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damn luke you put a lot of effort into this

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i guess i'll give haschel a little more time to catch up but i'm probably going to hammer soon, it seems pretty clear. damn, i was fooled. i would have sworn luke was town by the way he acted.

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VOTE: Lukewarm

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No Zyla is 100% town the Br is dead hockey lets eliminate hc think about it the jail keep locked up Zyla so hc would know since he's se that Zyla is innocent. VOTE: hc

i do not follow this at all

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@STD: why did you hammer luke so early in the day? While Luke was pretty much confirmed scum at that point, 1138 did have a point to it. It would've been helpful to see everyone's reactions to 1075, and we were denied information because of it

i gave plenty of time for someone to come in and speak their mind. i don't think we were really denied any information.

i wish haschel had come in earlier but he didn't and i didn't know if he was going to come in 12 minutes or 12 hours. i wanted the flip to confirm if luke was scum.

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STD, I don't like the fact that you voted before HC had a chance to react to Azeru's post. However, the fact that Luke started the day voting you intrigues me, was he bussing you? Trying to make it look like he was? Assuming he was trying to be in a town mindset, do you think any of his posts towards you had legitimate scumpoints about you?

i tr luke the entire game. i think he's actually pretty clever and i was fooled. but i made my case against his in 970. i'm not going to sit here and say he was bussing because he wasn't, i'm not scum. i don't think any of his points were legitimate because i'm not scum and he was.

i think it's pretty clear he saw me as universally scum read from d1 and tried to push me d2 to get a mislim going

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Std isn't or like I thought so his play here is bad

you are one to talk my friend

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STD, would you rather vote for Pav or Hockey, and why?

I think both are possible scum. I'm leaning hockeyfan because i think his case on me was without much backing and i think he was just trying to get a mislim going. But it could be Pav, i'm getting mostly gut pings in that direction and I want to listen to my gut but I don't really have much solid evidence. I presented a small case against Pav yesterday but i'm not sure if it still holds up.

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cyrus what are your reads right now

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...why would we think you scum for that

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lots of people ask for that

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why are you voting me

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i'm having trouble, all three seem possible to be scum. i think i need to read over them again and try to see what pings and what doesn't

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we have to be careful here.

will look at Pav and HC when i have a free moment.

V/LA: 7/1-7/6 but i should be around still

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scum did us all a favor

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I think it's just haschel here but I still want to double check when I have a chance

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So I think it's just haschel.

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Haschel comments about the vanilla townie in his opening post which at first I thought was fine but the more I think about it the weirder it is. If you're trying to draw the night kill, why claim vanilla townie? you just told scum not to kill you. nah i think it's to make people think he's town.

Haschel brings Hockeyfan to E-1 really early and says my bad and unvotes but it could have been intentional

Haschel chooses Zyla to target but keep in mind he's still scumreading strange. I think he was trying to stay off of Strangematter's mislim here while still shading them.

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Haschel does nothing

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Haschel starts by trying to shade Zyla some more.

Haschel votes for Hockeyfan

And that's basically all he does D3.

I think he's mostly lurking scum trying to shade Zyla when he can. I wish I could say more but Haschel doesn't do much the entire game. He has a lot of seemingly helpful posts that are actually just empty: 1059 1144 1273

He stays off of Strangematter but still is suspicious of them, adding fuel to the fire. More desperate on D3, he makes sure he piles onto Hockey's wagon for Hockey's mislim. That's what I think is happening.

I don't think there's any interaction between haschel and luke. Luke throws a vote on haschel and puts him at e-1 for not talking but quickly gets off, probably knowing haschel's not going to get eliminated for just not talking and making sure to get off quickly anyway.

VOTE: Haschel

If it's Pav, good job man, you got me fooled.

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I have done scumhunting. My catchup poster d1 illuminate my thoughts and I've made my case against you now. I've posted reads multiple times. My activity has been pretty bad but I've been here

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gg guys

I think Luke did a great job, he came up with most of the ideas as evidenced by the mafia PT. I'm surprised we pulled it off, we got really wrecked by the jailkeeper, but i think luke's push on me D2 really helped.

Thanks fferyllt!